Re: don't know where I am, help pse with temps/raises

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 27/02/2007 10:50:37 GMT Standard Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

Mo you are begging for problems with raising Armour and lowering the HC

at the same time. Please do one or the other, NOT both. Where are you

whit HC now? The tired in the afternoons and low temps tell me ADRENAL

stress and low temps mean it is building in your blood again and that is

not good.

Sorry Val I thought you were aware that I was doing this.

The idea was to lower the hc in the hope that it would stop the palps.

The palps have stopped but I don't know if raising the Armour helped here

also.

I am taking 10, 5, 5 and 5 of h.c having come down from 35 mg ie. 15, 10, 5

and 5.

A friend in England suggested I increase the h.c. to get my temps up.

Is this what you are alluding to ie. is the thyroid building up in my blood

because I have been lowering the h.c?

thanks Val.

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 27/02/2007 10:50:37 GMT Standard Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

Mo you are begging for problems with raising Armour and lowering the HC

at the same time. Please do one or the other, NOT both. Where are you

whit HC now? The tired in the afternoons and low temps tell me ADRENAL

stress and low temps mean it is building in your blood again and that is

not good.

Sorry Val I thought you were aware that I was doing this.

The idea was to lower the hc in the hope that it would stop the palps.

The palps have stopped but I don't know if raising the Armour helped here

also.

I am taking 10, 5, 5 and 5 of h.c having come down from 35 mg ie. 15, 10, 5

and 5.

A friend in England suggested I increase the h.c. to get my temps up.

Is this what you are alluding to ie. is the thyroid building up in my blood

because I have been lowering the h.c?

thanks Val.

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 27/02/2007 10:50:37 GMT Standard Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

Mo you are begging for problems with raising Armour and lowering the HC

at the same time. Please do one or the other, NOT both. Where are you

whit HC now? The tired in the afternoons and low temps tell me ADRENAL

stress and low temps mean it is building in your blood again and that is

not good.

Sorry Val I thought you were aware that I was doing this.

The idea was to lower the hc in the hope that it would stop the palps.

The palps have stopped but I don't know if raising the Armour helped here

also.

I am taking 10, 5, 5 and 5 of h.c having come down from 35 mg ie. 15, 10, 5

and 5.

A friend in England suggested I increase the h.c. to get my temps up.

Is this what you are alluding to ie. is the thyroid building up in my blood

because I have been lowering the h.c?

thanks Val.

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 27/02/2007 11:15:19 GMT Standard Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

Yes I think 5MG (HC) more was where your temps were better if I remember

right. Then HOLD that while you increase Armour. One or the other but

not both..

OK thanks, I should have realised that but I have been in such a state that

rational thought left me Val......

So what should I do now as the Armour increase has already happened? Add in

the extra 5 mg at what times of the day?

My problems are being caused by excess Armour buildingup because of not

enough cortisol?

thanks.

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 27/02/2007 11:15:19 GMT Standard Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

Yes I think 5MG (HC) more was where your temps were better if I remember

right. Then HOLD that while you increase Armour. One or the other but

not both..

OK thanks, I should have realised that but I have been in such a state that

rational thought left me Val......

So what should I do now as the Armour increase has already happened? Add in

the extra 5 mg at what times of the day?

My problems are being caused by excess Armour buildingup because of not

enough cortisol?

thanks.

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 27/02/2007 11:15:19 GMT Standard Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

Yes I think 5MG (HC) more was where your temps were better if I remember

right. Then HOLD that while you increase Armour. One or the other but

not both..

OK thanks, I should have realised that but I have been in such a state that

rational thought left me Val......

So what should I do now as the Armour increase has already happened? Add in

the extra 5 mg at what times of the day?

My problems are being caused by excess Armour buildingup because of not

enough cortisol?

thanks.

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 27/02/2007 11:34:54 GMT Standard Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

Yes I think your Armoru is not getting to the cells again. But I would

try holding the Armoru dose and just bump up the HC again a bit. I would

add 2.5 to AM and 2.5 to noon dosing. OR you could add it in abotu a

half hour before you get the afternoon slump in energy.

Oh thanks Val, I have been putting off asking advice because I was worried i

was going to have to reduce the Armour again and suffer until I could get my

adrenals in better shape.

Have HAD IT with suffering as we all have!

So there is hope that I can stay awake this afternoon. I will certainly try

taking some h.c then and keep my fingers crossed because I had these

afternoons sleeps for many years and it really bothers me when they return. And

they

don't feel like a sleep as such, not refreshing, quite the opposite, I feel

like Grim Death when I wake up and remain in that state for the rest of the

day. And it feels like going unconscious more than going asleep. I have no

control over it.

I have visitors at the weekend so I am hoping I will be in a better state by

then.

thanks for your help.

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

[Guest guest]

Mo you are begging for problems with raising Armour and lowering the HC

at the same time. Please do one or the other, NOT both. Where are you

whit HC now? The tired in the afternoons and low temps tell me ADRENAL

stress and low temps mean it is building in your blood again and that is

not good.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Mo you are begging for problems with raising Armour and lowering the HC

at the same time. Please do one or the other, NOT both. Where are you

whit HC now? The tired in the afternoons and low temps tell me ADRENAL

stress and low temps mean it is building in your blood again and that is

not good.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Yes I think 5MG (HC) more was where your temps were better if I remember

right. Then HOLD that while you increase Armour. One or the other but

not both..

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Yes I think 5MG (HC) more was where your temps were better if I remember

right. Then HOLD that while you increase Armour. One or the other but

not both..

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Yes I think 5MG (HC) more was where your temps were better if I remember

right. Then HOLD that while you increase Armour. One or the other but

not both..

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 27/02/2007 18:02:27 GMT Standard Time,

pmgamer18@... writes:

My Dr. told me to get on Fish Oil 3 grams a day

Hi Phil

thankis for this. I do take fish oil though I have read somewhere recently

(Mercola?) that coconut oil is probably preferable because of the mercury in

the fish angle. I try not to think about that and just carry on taking the

capules.

I am in England so I get mine from Holland & Barrett who are reasonably

cheap.

I took Val's advice and raised my h.c and so far today my temps are coming

in higher though I have not got to the third one yet.

I am hoping that raising the h.c back up will sort me out and that I won't

have to decrease my 4 grains of Armour.

I feel like I have been on this road forever Phil, trying to get optimised,

though it is only two years but still a looooooooong time because Ihave been

so hesitant about raising and so misinformed about how much Armour it is OK to

take.

I feel like I am near the winning post, nearish anyway and I just hope I am

not being over-optimistic as is my wont ! lol

Thanks for trying to help me, that in itself helps me!

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 27/02/2007 18:02:27 GMT Standard Time,

pmgamer18@... writes:

My Dr. told me to get on Fish Oil 3 grams a day

Hi Phil

thankis for this. I do take fish oil though I have read somewhere recently

(Mercola?) that coconut oil is probably preferable because of the mercury in

the fish angle. I try not to think about that and just carry on taking the

capules.

I am in England so I get mine from Holland & Barrett who are reasonably

cheap.

I took Val's advice and raised my h.c and so far today my temps are coming

in higher though I have not got to the third one yet.

I am hoping that raising the h.c back up will sort me out and that I won't

have to decrease my 4 grains of Armour.

I feel like I have been on this road forever Phil, trying to get optimised,

though it is only two years but still a looooooooong time because Ihave been

so hesitant about raising and so misinformed about how much Armour it is OK to

take.

I feel like I am near the winning post, nearish anyway and I just hope I am

not being over-optimistic as is my wont ! lol

Thanks for trying to help me, that in itself helps me!

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 27/02/2007 18:02:27 GMT Standard Time,

pmgamer18@... writes:

My Dr. told me to get on Fish Oil 3 grams a day

Hi Phil

thankis for this. I do take fish oil though I have read somewhere recently

(Mercola?) that coconut oil is probably preferable because of the mercury in

the fish angle. I try not to think about that and just carry on taking the

capules.

I am in England so I get mine from Holland & Barrett who are reasonably

cheap.

I took Val's advice and raised my h.c and so far today my temps are coming

in higher though I have not got to the third one yet.

I am hoping that raising the h.c back up will sort me out and that I won't

have to decrease my 4 grains of Armour.

I feel like I have been on this road forever Phil, trying to get optimised,

though it is only two years but still a looooooooong time because Ihave been

so hesitant about raising and so misinformed about how much Armour it is OK to

take.

I feel like I am near the winning post, nearish anyway and I just hope I am

not being over-optimistic as is my wont ! lol

Thanks for trying to help me, that in itself helps me!

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

[Guest guest]

Hi Mo,

My Dr. told me to get on Fish Oil 3 grams a day I have been on it for a long

time. My wife would have nothing to do with it. But when she found a Dr. that

did Armour he told her to take 3 grams of Fish Oil she has been on it about 1

yrs. she feels much better has less joint pain her hair and skin are not dry

anymore and she is much happer then she was before taking it. I get mine at

Cosco's it's coated so you don't burp it up. Read this link I found.

http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/.fulltext/8/4/410.pdf

Phil

NOVAexeter@... wrote:

I have been feeling hypo with evening palps of 3 1/4 grains Armour and

35

h/c.

So I increased to 3 1/2 on 25 January. Temps plummeted by a degree and then

became unstable after which they became v. low again on 17 February i.e. 96.9.

I felt very hypo and so increased by half a grain to 4 grains on the

assumption that I had hit the point where my thyroid was not producing anything

of

its own.

At the same time I have been decreasing the hc. starting with the morning

dose and decreasing see-saw fashion to 10, 5, 5 and 5.

The palps have gone.

My temp was 96.9 when I added in the half grain bringing me to four grains.

It then went up a degree for a few days to 97.8 and now, in the last three

days have lowered again to 96.8.

So temp-wise I am back where I was on 17 February before this last raise.

These last few days I am falling asleep in the afternoons. Energy is

improved and the depression has been seen off though it feels it is not very far

away (can see it out of the corner of my eye, lol).

I don't know where to go from here.

Val you said something about if the temps did not hold or went lower (they

have not really gone lower I suppose) that I might need to lower the Armour.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

thanks.

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

[Guest guest]

Hi Mo,

My Dr. told me to get on Fish Oil 3 grams a day I have been on it for a long

time. My wife would have nothing to do with it. But when she found a Dr. that

did Armour he told her to take 3 grams of Fish Oil she has been on it about 1

yrs. she feels much better has less joint pain her hair and skin are not dry

anymore and she is much happer then she was before taking it. I get mine at

Cosco's it's coated so you don't burp it up. Read this link I found.

http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/.fulltext/8/4/410.pdf

Phil

NOVAexeter@... wrote:

I have been feeling hypo with evening palps of 3 1/4 grains Armour and

35

h/c.

So I increased to 3 1/2 on 25 January. Temps plummeted by a degree and then

became unstable after which they became v. low again on 17 February i.e. 96.9.

I felt very hypo and so increased by half a grain to 4 grains on the

assumption that I had hit the point where my thyroid was not producing anything

of

its own.

At the same time I have been decreasing the hc. starting with the morning

dose and decreasing see-saw fashion to 10, 5, 5 and 5.

The palps have gone.

My temp was 96.9 when I added in the half grain bringing me to four grains.

It then went up a degree for a few days to 97.8 and now, in the last three

days have lowered again to 96.8.

So temp-wise I am back where I was on 17 February before this last raise.

These last few days I am falling asleep in the afternoons. Energy is

improved and the depression has been seen off though it feels it is not very far

away (can see it out of the corner of my eye, lol).

I don't know where to go from here.

Val you said something about if the temps did not hold or went lower (they

have not really gone lower I suppose) that I might need to lower the Armour.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

thanks.

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

[Guest guest]

Hi Mo,

My Dr. told me to get on Fish Oil 3 grams a day I have been on it for a long

time. My wife would have nothing to do with it. But when she found a Dr. that

did Armour he told her to take 3 grams of Fish Oil she has been on it about 1

yrs. she feels much better has less joint pain her hair and skin are not dry

anymore and she is much happer then she was before taking it. I get mine at

Cosco's it's coated so you don't burp it up. Read this link I found.

http://www.thorne.com/altmedrev/.fulltext/8/4/410.pdf

Phil

NOVAexeter@... wrote:

I have been feeling hypo with evening palps of 3 1/4 grains Armour and

35

h/c.

So I increased to 3 1/2 on 25 January. Temps plummeted by a degree and then

became unstable after which they became v. low again on 17 February i.e. 96.9.

I felt very hypo and so increased by half a grain to 4 grains on the

assumption that I had hit the point where my thyroid was not producing anything

of

its own.

At the same time I have been decreasing the hc. starting with the morning

dose and decreasing see-saw fashion to 10, 5, 5 and 5.

The palps have gone.

My temp was 96.9 when I added in the half grain bringing me to four grains.

It then went up a degree for a few days to 97.8 and now, in the last three

days have lowered again to 96.8.

So temp-wise I am back where I was on 17 February before this last raise.

These last few days I am falling asleep in the afternoons. Energy is

improved and the depression has been seen off though it feels it is not very far

away (can see it out of the corner of my eye, lol).

I don't know where to go from here.

Val you said something about if the temps did not hold or went lower (they

have not really gone lower I suppose) that I might need to lower the Armour.

Any help would be very much appreciated.

thanks.

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

[Guest guest]

I hear you been at this for 23 yrs with my health first 5 yrs they told me I am

depressed because they could not find anything wrong.

Next 18 yrs was treated for low testosterone just last yr. I found out myself

I have a pituitary problem. For the last 23 yrs. my tests have been low normal

so they just over looked the fact that low Cortisol, Thyroid, Testosterone,

IGF-1, DHEA and Glucose were all screaming a Pituitary Problem. So now I have

been treating my cortisol and thyroid it's just about a yr. now I think this

dose and will take time for me bacause I have been so sick for so long. When we

get balanced we need to give are body time to undo the damage of being sick for

so long.

Phil

NOVAexeter@... wrote:

In a message dated 27/02/2007 18:02:27 GMT Standard Time,

pmgamer18@... writes:

My Dr. told me to get on Fish Oil 3 grams a day

Hi Phil

thankis for this. I do take fish oil though I have read somewhere recently

(Mercola?) that coconut oil is probably preferable because of the mercury in

the fish angle. I try not to think about that and just carry on taking the

capules.

I am in England so I get mine from Holland & Barrett who are reasonably

cheap.

I took Val's advice and raised my h.c and so far today my temps are coming

in higher though I have not got to the third one yet.

I am hoping that raising the h.c back up will sort me out and that I won't

have to decrease my 4 grains of Armour.

I feel like I have been on this road forever Phil, trying to get optimised,

though it is only two years but still a looooooooong time because Ihave been

so hesitant about raising and so misinformed about how much Armour it is OK to

take.

I feel like I am near the winning post, nearish anyway and I just hope I am

not being over-optimistic as is my wont ! lol

Thanks for trying to help me, that in itself helps me!

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

[Guest guest]

I hear you been at this for 23 yrs with my health first 5 yrs they told me I am

depressed because they could not find anything wrong.

Next 18 yrs was treated for low testosterone just last yr. I found out myself

I have a pituitary problem. For the last 23 yrs. my tests have been low normal

so they just over looked the fact that low Cortisol, Thyroid, Testosterone,

IGF-1, DHEA and Glucose were all screaming a Pituitary Problem. So now I have

been treating my cortisol and thyroid it's just about a yr. now I think this

dose and will take time for me bacause I have been so sick for so long. When we

get balanced we need to give are body time to undo the damage of being sick for

so long.

Phil

NOVAexeter@... wrote:

In a message dated 27/02/2007 18:02:27 GMT Standard Time,

pmgamer18@... writes:

My Dr. told me to get on Fish Oil 3 grams a day

Hi Phil

thankis for this. I do take fish oil though I have read somewhere recently

(Mercola?) that coconut oil is probably preferable because of the mercury in

the fish angle. I try not to think about that and just carry on taking the

capules.

I am in England so I get mine from Holland & Barrett who are reasonably

cheap.

I took Val's advice and raised my h.c and so far today my temps are coming

in higher though I have not got to the third one yet.

I am hoping that raising the h.c back up will sort me out and that I won't

have to decrease my 4 grains of Armour.

I feel like I have been on this road forever Phil, trying to get optimised,

though it is only two years but still a looooooooong time because Ihave been

so hesitant about raising and so misinformed about how much Armour it is OK to

take.

I feel like I am near the winning post, nearish anyway and I just hope I am

not being over-optimistic as is my wont ! lol

Thanks for trying to help me, that in itself helps me!

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

[Guest guest]

I hear you been at this for 23 yrs with my health first 5 yrs they told me I am

depressed because they could not find anything wrong.

Next 18 yrs was treated for low testosterone just last yr. I found out myself

I have a pituitary problem. For the last 23 yrs. my tests have been low normal

so they just over looked the fact that low Cortisol, Thyroid, Testosterone,

IGF-1, DHEA and Glucose were all screaming a Pituitary Problem. So now I have

been treating my cortisol and thyroid it's just about a yr. now I think this

dose and will take time for me bacause I have been so sick for so long. When we

get balanced we need to give are body time to undo the damage of being sick for

so long.

Phil

NOVAexeter@... wrote:

In a message dated 27/02/2007 18:02:27 GMT Standard Time,

pmgamer18@... writes:

My Dr. told me to get on Fish Oil 3 grams a day

Hi Phil

thankis for this. I do take fish oil though I have read somewhere recently

(Mercola?) that coconut oil is probably preferable because of the mercury in

the fish angle. I try not to think about that and just carry on taking the

capules.

I am in England so I get mine from Holland & Barrett who are reasonably

cheap.

I took Val's advice and raised my h.c and so far today my temps are coming

in higher though I have not got to the third one yet.

I am hoping that raising the h.c back up will sort me out and that I won't

have to decrease my 4 grains of Armour.

I feel like I have been on this road forever Phil, trying to get optimised,

though it is only two years but still a looooooooong time because Ihave been

so hesitant about raising and so misinformed about how much Armour it is OK to

take.

I feel like I am near the winning post, nearish anyway and I just hope I am

not being over-optimistic as is my wont ! lol

Thanks for trying to help me, that in itself helps me!

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 28/02/2007 05:10:12 GMT Standard Time,

cccquilter@... writes:

Mo, I hear you! I am on HC now; 10, 5 and 5 so far and my Armour is now at

4.25 grains, as of a couple of days ago

Hi CC

Have you increased both at the same time?

Peeps do seem to do better on h/c so I cross my fingers for you in that

respect.

Sleep? Ahhhhh wouldn't it be nice.

I knock myself out with pills every night and sometimes even they don't work

for me.

If i had a Magic Wish, that woulod be it, to be able to do what other people

do and just put my head on the pillow and drift off......

One day, one day! lol

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 28/02/2007 05:10:12 GMT Standard Time,

cccquilter@... writes:

Mo, I hear you! I am on HC now; 10, 5 and 5 so far and my Armour is now at

4.25 grains, as of a couple of days ago

Hi CC

Have you increased both at the same time?

Peeps do seem to do better on h/c so I cross my fingers for you in that

respect.

Sleep? Ahhhhh wouldn't it be nice.

I knock myself out with pills every night and sometimes even they don't work

for me.

If i had a Magic Wish, that woulod be it, to be able to do what other people

do and just put my head on the pillow and drift off......

One day, one day! lol

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 28/02/2007 05:10:12 GMT Standard Time,

cccquilter@... writes:

Mo, I hear you! I am on HC now; 10, 5 and 5 so far and my Armour is now at

4.25 grains, as of a couple of days ago

Hi CC

Have you increased both at the same time?

Peeps do seem to do better on h/c so I cross my fingers for you in that

respect.

Sleep? Ahhhhh wouldn't it be nice.

I knock myself out with pills every night and sometimes even they don't work

for me.

If i had a Magic Wish, that woulod be it, to be able to do what other people

do and just put my head on the pillow and drift off......

One day, one day! lol

Mo

www.NOVACounselling.com

[Guest guest]

Oh, Mo, I hear you! I am on HC now; 10, 5 and 5 so far and my Armour is now at

4.25 grains, as of a couple of days ago. So far, so good, I have no bad effects,

the only thing is I still am not sleeping. I am so tired But I have only been

on HC a couple of days, so will give it a bit of time and see if it will help. I

don't take it at night; when I tried Armour & Isocort at night I was up all

night and it was hellish, so that route is NOT for me! I sure hope that you

start feeling better, real soon! It was cool seeing you on the new forum.

C.