Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 I HATE when I hear this. An antihistamine is a band aid. I would take her temp when she is resting. Nasty I know.. anal is the only accurate way, but if it is under 102 she is hypo. MANY cockers are hypo. Dogs need ALOT more thyroid than humans do and for a dog that size I would start her on 4 grains a day. and go to 6 grains in 2 weeks. You can monitor her progress by her temps. Prednisolone is better in dogs as you only have to give it twice a day. For immediate relief a Pred taper would be in order, starting at 10MG twice a day then after three days go to 15MG then another three days 10MG, another three days MG and maintenance dose of 5MG a day after that. The taper should jump start getting rid of the itch. Then you need to determine if her skin problems are actual allergies or YEAST. Yeast is the most common skin problem in cockers.Where is she affected? Does ti have an odor? I worked with a vet dermatologist for four years that was some of the best GROOMING instruction I could have gotten anywhere! He understood the adrenal thyroid connection in dogs. A book I will recommend is " Pets At Risk " by Alfred Plechner, sometimes you can find it on Ebay for under $10. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 I HATE when I hear this. An antihistamine is a band aid. I would take her temp when she is resting. Nasty I know.. anal is the only accurate way, but if it is under 102 she is hypo. MANY cockers are hypo. Dogs need ALOT more thyroid than humans do and for a dog that size I would start her on 4 grains a day. and go to 6 grains in 2 weeks. You can monitor her progress by her temps. Prednisolone is better in dogs as you only have to give it twice a day. For immediate relief a Pred taper would be in order, starting at 10MG twice a day then after three days go to 15MG then another three days 10MG, another three days MG and maintenance dose of 5MG a day after that. The taper should jump start getting rid of the itch. Then you need to determine if her skin problems are actual allergies or YEAST. Yeast is the most common skin problem in cockers.Where is she affected? Does ti have an odor? I worked with a vet dermatologist for four years that was some of the best GROOMING instruction I could have gotten anywhere! He understood the adrenal thyroid connection in dogs. A book I will recommend is " Pets At Risk " by Alfred Plechner, sometimes you can find it on Ebay for under $10. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 >>For immediate relief a Pred taper would be in order, starting at 10MG twice a day then after three days go to 15MG then another three days 10MG, another three days MG and maintenance dose of 5MG a day after that. << OOPS the taper should start at 20MG twice a day. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 >>For immediate relief a Pred taper would be in order, starting at 10MG twice a day then after three days go to 15MG then another three days 10MG, another three days MG and maintenance dose of 5MG a day after that. << OOPS the taper should start at 20MG twice a day. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Thank You Val, But What is a Pred taper and were can I get it???????? -- In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , wrote: > > >>For immediate relief a Pred taper > would be in order, starting at 10MG twice a day then after three days go > to 15MG then another three days 10MG, another three days MG and > maintenance dose of 5MG a day after that. << > > OOPS the taper should start at 20MG twice a day. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Thank You Val, But What is a Pred taper and were can I get it???????? -- In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , wrote: > > >>For immediate relief a Pred taper > would be in order, starting at 10MG twice a day then after three days go > to 15MG then another three days 10MG, another three days MG and > maintenance dose of 5MG a day after that. << > > OOPS the taper should start at 20MG twice a day. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Hello Val, Just got back from the dentist, (HAD HAPPY GAS) WHAT A VACATION THAT WAS. Sadie, My cocker, her skin is dried out, lots of flakes, My Husband say's she stinks all the time, her ears mostly, I came from the vet just now, he gave he a rx of cephalexin, she has been on this for a month now, he wants to try another month, she has a very bad dry caugh, mostly when I miss giving her the nonichie meds, I looked around town for some CORTIF, I MUST HAVE A RX FOR IT, I dont have any of it for myself yet, As for the PRO steroid, he wants to wait 5 day's first, then try that, Also, I dont have extra Armour yet, So, can I start her on that poison Levothyroxin 175 mcg? Or do I wait for my Cortif to arrive and start her on that first, Then start the thyroid meds, OR Just start the SYNTHROID and convert her over when my Armour comes in??????--- KELLY In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " Kathy " wrote: > > Is this why Cockers always smell badly? My sister has 2 cockers, one for 12 years before these 2. They always smell. > Kat > Re: Re: Cocker and allergies > > > A pred taper is just a way to use Prednisolone in a tapering dosage. It > starts out high, above a physiological dosage which will immediately > control the inflammation that causes the itching. Then as you do not > want to keep it that high, as it can cause damage to the organs and > fluid retention, you gradually taper the dose down to a more > physiological one of 5 MG a day. I will send you the sources for this > med. but keep in mind, like any steroid med, it can cause permanent > dependency, especially if you need to repeat this taper several times. > This is why the CAUSE of the allergies needs to be treated while this is > controlling the symptoms. If she has yeast symptoms, which you need to > answer my questions about smells and where she is affected, you will > need to do some medicated baths and I can help you with that too. While > if it is bacterial in nature, she may need antibiotics as well. IF you > have a decent vet that will work with you i would be easier as he can > culture it to know exactly what is involved, yeast or bacteria or both. > Because they need to be treated very differently. And in the meanwhile > thyroid support would prevent a reoccurance. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Hi Ladies, hate to but in but,I have a 11 year old lab that the doc said would be in so much pain and go lame before he was 5.He said that we would have to put him down by then.Well my question is(since I don't trust vet) and still have my 11 year old lab,how much HC would you give him(per 7 day round) per day.Thamnks for any advice LOL Debbie In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " gordonkellyc " wrote: > > > Hello Val, Just got back from the > dentist, (HAD HAPPY GAS) WHAT A VACATION THAT WAS. Sadie, My cocker, > her skin is dried out, lots of flakes, My Husband say's she stinks all > the time, her ears mostly, I came from the vet just now, he gave he a > rx of cephalexin, she has been on this for a month now, he wants to > try another month, she has a very bad dry caugh, mostly when I miss > giving her the nonichie meds, I looked around town for some CORTIF, I > MUST HAVE A RX FOR IT, I dont have any of it for myself yet, As for > the PRO steroid, he wants to wait 5 day's first, then try that, Also, > I dont have extra Armour yet, So, can I start her on that poison > Levothyroxin 175 mcg? Or do I wait for my Cortif to arrive and start > her on that first, Then start the thyroid meds, OR Just start the > SYNTHROID and convert her over when my Armour comes in??????--- > > > KELLY > > In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " Kathy " > <Wvyorkies@> wrote: > > > > Is this why Cockers always smell badly? My sister has 2 cockers, > one for 12 years before these 2. They always smell. > > Kat > > Re: Re: Cocker and allergies > > > > > > A pred taper is just a way to use Prednisolone in a tapering > dosage. It > > starts out high, above a physiological dosage which will immediately > > control the inflammation that causes the itching. Then as you do not > > want to keep it that high, as it can cause damage to the organs and > > fluid retention, you gradually taper the dose down to a more > > physiological one of 5 MG a day. I will send you the sources for this > > med. but keep in mind, like any steroid med, it can cause permanent > > dependency, especially if you need to repeat this taper several > times. > > This is why the CAUSE of the allergies needs to be treated while > this is > > controlling the symptoms. If she has yeast symptoms, which you > need to > > answer my questions about smells and where she is affected, you will > > need to do some medicated baths and I can help you with that too. > While > > if it is bacterial in nature, she may need antibiotics as well. IF > you > > have a decent vet that will work with you i would be easier as he can > > culture it to know exactly what is involved, yeast or bacteria or > both. > > Because they need to be treated very differently. And in the > meanwhile > > thyroid support would prevent a reoccurance. > > > > -- > > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 Hi Ladies, hate to but in but,I have a 11 year old lab that the doc said would be in so much pain and go lame before he was 5.He said that we would have to put him down by then.Well my question is(since I don't trust vet) and still have my 11 year old lab,how much HC would you give him(per 7 day round) per day.Thamnks for any advice LOL Debbie In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " gordonkellyc " wrote: > > > Hello Val, Just got back from the > dentist, (HAD HAPPY GAS) WHAT A VACATION THAT WAS. Sadie, My cocker, > her skin is dried out, lots of flakes, My Husband say's she stinks all > the time, her ears mostly, I came from the vet just now, he gave he a > rx of cephalexin, she has been on this for a month now, he wants to > try another month, she has a very bad dry caugh, mostly when I miss > giving her the nonichie meds, I looked around town for some CORTIF, I > MUST HAVE A RX FOR IT, I dont have any of it for myself yet, As for > the PRO steroid, he wants to wait 5 day's first, then try that, Also, > I dont have extra Armour yet, So, can I start her on that poison > Levothyroxin 175 mcg? Or do I wait for my Cortif to arrive and start > her on that first, Then start the thyroid meds, OR Just start the > SYNTHROID and convert her over when my Armour comes in??????--- > > > KELLY > > In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " Kathy " > <Wvyorkies@> wrote: > > > > Is this why Cockers always smell badly? My sister has 2 cockers, > one for 12 years before these 2. They always smell. > > Kat > > Re: Re: Cocker and allergies > > > > > > A pred taper is just a way to use Prednisolone in a tapering > dosage. It > > starts out high, above a physiological dosage which will immediately > > control the inflammation that causes the itching. Then as you do not > > want to keep it that high, as it can cause damage to the organs and > > fluid retention, you gradually taper the dose down to a more > > physiological one of 5 MG a day. I will send you the sources for this > > med. but keep in mind, like any steroid med, it can cause permanent > > dependency, especially if you need to repeat this taper several > times. > > This is why the CAUSE of the allergies needs to be treated while > this is > > controlling the symptoms. If she has yeast symptoms, which you > need to > > answer my questions about smells and where she is affected, you will > > need to do some medicated baths and I can help you with that too. > While > > if it is bacterial in nature, she may need antibiotics as well. IF > you > > have a decent vet that will work with you i would be easier as he can > > culture it to know exactly what is involved, yeast or bacteria or > both. > > Because they need to be treated very differently. And in the > meanwhile > > thyroid support would prevent a reoccurance. > > > > -- > > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Good morning Val, I dont know if this has anything to do with what I gave Sadie, But I gave her half of one of my old Synthroid pills at bed time, She went all night without iching or dry coughing, all night, we both got some sleep,I have not seen her itch or cough this morning as well, Can I keep doing this until I get my Thyroid-s, I have not taken her temps yet, I forgot to get a rectum thermometer yesterday, My old Synthroid is 175mcgs, Not MG, MCGS, I did not notice this until I gave it to her... THANK YOU VAL KELLY GORDON In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , wrote: > > Once more I would not put a dog on HC. Prednisolone would be the drug of > choice, and not more than 20MG a day but preferably less. Start with 5 > MG a day and see if that helps. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2007 Report Share Posted January 17, 2007 Good morning Val, I dont know if this has anything to do with what I gave Sadie, But I gave her half of one of my old Synthroid pills at bed time, She went all night without iching or dry coughing, all night, we both got some sleep,I have not seen her itch or cough this morning as well, Can I keep doing this until I get my Thyroid-s, I have not taken her temps yet, I forgot to get a rectum thermometer yesterday, My old Synthroid is 175mcgs, Not MG, MCGS, I did not notice this until I gave it to her... THANK YOU VAL KELLY GORDON In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , wrote: > > Once more I would not put a dog on HC. Prednisolone would be the drug of > choice, and not more than 20MG a day but preferably less. Start with 5 > MG a day and see if that helps. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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