Help with saliva tests, Please

[Guest guest]

Hi, I was Dx'd w/ hashimoto's 15 yrs ago, and adrenal insufficiecy 1.5

yrs ago -- though I'm not sure I got an accurate adrenal diagnosis. I

just got my saliva test results from DiagnosTechs, and I'm confused

about how to proceed.

Saliva results:

estradiol 15 (5-13 follicular -- Started period day of test)

progesterone 123 (20-100 follicular)

free testosterone 18 (8-20)

fTSH >600 High (26-85 nIU/ml)

fT4 0.29 (0.17-0.42 ng/dl)

fT3 0.49 (0.28-1.10 pg/ml)

TPO negative *(my blood tests are always high for thyroid antibodies)

DHEA 5 (3-10)

cortisol burden 61 (23-42)

cortisol,8a 18 (13-24)

cortisol,12p 23 H (5-10)

cortisol,5p 11 H (3-8)

cortisol,12a 9 H (1-4)

Medications (taken in the mornings):

HC - 10mg

Synthroid - 112mcg

Armour - 7.5mg

Current symptoms: can't sleep till after 12am/trouble waking up

(needing more sleep than usual); acne/clogged pores/thin skin on face

w/ easy scarring; reactive hypoglycemia + sugar cravings; low body

temps (96.6); hair loss, dry, frizzy hair; lips super-cracked/peeling

nonstop; irritable; easily fatigued; aches and pains; legs numb when

sitting too long or during sleep; lost a few pounds recently (already

underweight); started getting eczema; feel like a 90-year-old...

Any insight is appreciated.

[Guest guest]

You are still woefully hypo, definitely need more thyroid medication

You need to be off hc for at least 2 weeks prior to testing, so these

results will not show your true adrenal status

Are you sure you are only taking 7.5mg armour? That's only one

eighth of a grain!

Lynda

Help with saliva tests, Please

> Hi, I was Dx'd w/ hashimoto's 15 yrs ago, and adrenal insufficiecy

> 1.5

> yrs ago -- though I'm not sure I got an accurate adrenal diagnosis.

> I

> just got my saliva test results from DiagnosTechs, and I'm confused

> about how to proceed.

> Saliva results:

>

> estradiol 15 (5-13 follicular -- Started period day of test)

> progesterone 123 (20-100 follicular)

> free testosterone 18 (8-20)

> fTSH >600 High (26-85 nIU/ml)

> fT4 0.29 (0.17-0.42 ng/dl)

> fT3 0.49 (0.28-1.10 pg/ml)

> TPO negative *(my blood tests are always high for thyroid

> antibodies)

> DHEA 5 (3-10)

> cortisol burden 61 (23-42)

> cortisol,8a 18 (13-24)

> cortisol,12p 23 H (5-10)

> cortisol,5p 11 H (3-8)

> cortisol,12a 9 H (1-4)

>

> Medications (taken in the mornings):

>

> HC - 10mg

> Synthroid - 112mcg

> Armour - 7.5mg

>

[Guest guest]

You are still woefully hypo, definitely need more thyroid medication

You need to be off hc for at least 2 weeks prior to testing, so these

results will not show your true adrenal status

Are you sure you are only taking 7.5mg armour? That's only one

eighth of a grain!

Lynda

Help with saliva tests, Please

> Hi, I was Dx'd w/ hashimoto's 15 yrs ago, and adrenal insufficiecy

> 1.5

> yrs ago -- though I'm not sure I got an accurate adrenal diagnosis.

> I

> just got my saliva test results from DiagnosTechs, and I'm confused

> about how to proceed.

> Saliva results:

>

> estradiol 15 (5-13 follicular -- Started period day of test)

> progesterone 123 (20-100 follicular)

> free testosterone 18 (8-20)

> fTSH >600 High (26-85 nIU/ml)

> fT4 0.29 (0.17-0.42 ng/dl)

> fT3 0.49 (0.28-1.10 pg/ml)

> TPO negative *(my blood tests are always high for thyroid

> antibodies)

> DHEA 5 (3-10)

> cortisol burden 61 (23-42)

> cortisol,8a 18 (13-24)

> cortisol,12p 23 H (5-10)

> cortisol,5p 11 H (3-8)

> cortisol,12a 9 H (1-4)

>

> Medications (taken in the mornings):

>

> HC - 10mg

> Synthroid - 112mcg

> Armour - 7.5mg

>

[Guest guest]

Were you on HC when you did these tests? If so that could be why you are

so high in the morning. I would suggest you get off the synthetic T4

meds and raise the Armour, your thyroid labs are horrible. Also

Phosphatidylserene (available in health food stores or online, just

Google it) would also help level out your nighttime levels to allow you

better sleep which also will help lower the AM to a more normal reading.

7.5 mg Armour is a minute dose.

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[Guest guest]

Were you on HC when you did these tests? If so that could be why you are

so high in the morning. I would suggest you get off the synthetic T4

meds and raise the Armour, your thyroid labs are horrible. Also

Phosphatidylserene (available in health food stores or online, just

Google it) would also help level out your nighttime levels to allow you

better sleep which also will help lower the AM to a more normal reading.

7.5 mg Armour is a minute dose.

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[Guest guest]

Were you on HC when you did these tests? If so that could be why you are

so high in the morning. I would suggest you get off the synthetic T4

meds and raise the Armour, your thyroid labs are horrible. Also

Phosphatidylserene (available in health food stores or online, just

Google it) would also help level out your nighttime levels to allow you

better sleep which also will help lower the AM to a more normal reading.

7.5 mg Armour is a minute dose.

--

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http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your response. I was under the impression saliva tests

could help assess treatment efficacy. The instructions didn't say

anything about discontinuing oral hormones. Plus, I was worried about

suddenly stopping the hydrocortisone. For the tests,

I collected the 1st sample 24 hrs after my last dose of meds, then

took my meds, and 4 hours later, collected the noon sample.

When the TSH came back so high, I didn't know what to think. I had

blood work done in December, and the TSH, T3 and T4 were in range.

Back in June, the blood level of free T3 was high (TSH in range,

2.56), so I was told to cut the Armour from 15mg to 7.5mg.

Over the years, my Synthroid dose goes up, but I never feel an

improvement. If anything, I keep getting worse. I guess I could try

adding back some Armour, see how it goes.

>

> You are still woefully hypo, definitely need more thyroid medication

> You need to be off hc for at least 2 weeks prior to testing, so

these

> results will not show your true adrenal status

> Are you sure you are only taking 7.5mg armour? That's only one

> eighth of a grain!

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your response. I was under the impression saliva tests

could help assess treatment efficacy. The instructions didn't say

anything about discontinuing oral hormones. Plus, I was worried about

suddenly stopping the hydrocortisone. For the tests,

I collected the 1st sample 24 hrs after my last dose of meds, then

took my meds, and 4 hours later, collected the noon sample.

When the TSH came back so high, I didn't know what to think. I had

blood work done in December, and the TSH, T3 and T4 were in range.

Back in June, the blood level of free T3 was high (TSH in range,

2.56), so I was told to cut the Armour from 15mg to 7.5mg.

Over the years, my Synthroid dose goes up, but I never feel an

improvement. If anything, I keep getting worse. I guess I could try

adding back some Armour, see how it goes.

>

> You are still woefully hypo, definitely need more thyroid medication

> You need to be off hc for at least 2 weeks prior to testing, so

these

> results will not show your true adrenal status

> Are you sure you are only taking 7.5mg armour? That's only one

> eighth of a grain!

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your response. I was under the impression saliva tests

could help assess treatment efficacy. The instructions didn't say

anything about discontinuing oral hormones. Plus, I was worried about

suddenly stopping the hydrocortisone. For the tests,

I collected the 1st sample 24 hrs after my last dose of meds, then

took my meds, and 4 hours later, collected the noon sample.

When the TSH came back so high, I didn't know what to think. I had

blood work done in December, and the TSH, T3 and T4 were in range.

Back in June, the blood level of free T3 was high (TSH in range,

2.56), so I was told to cut the Armour from 15mg to 7.5mg.

Over the years, my Synthroid dose goes up, but I never feel an

improvement. If anything, I keep getting worse. I guess I could try

adding back some Armour, see how it goes.

>

> You are still woefully hypo, definitely need more thyroid medication

> You need to be off hc for at least 2 weeks prior to testing, so

these

> results will not show your true adrenal status

> Are you sure you are only taking 7.5mg armour? That's only one

> eighth of a grain!

[Guest guest]

According to this doctor you can test while on meds to see how your

treatment is going. There is a specific protocol for doing it though.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/HormonesandHealth-

Naturally/message/1788

Dianne

>

> Thanks for your response. I was under the impression saliva tests

> could help assess treatment efficacy. The instructions didn't say

> anything about discontinuing oral hormones. Plus, I was worried about

> suddenly stopping the hydrocortisone. For the tests,

> I collected the 1st sample 24 hrs after my last dose of meds, then

> took my meds, and 4 hours later, collected the noon sample.

>

>

[Guest guest]

According to this doctor you can test while on meds to see how your

treatment is going. There is a specific protocol for doing it though.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/HormonesandHealth-

Naturally/message/1788

Dianne

>

> Thanks for your response. I was under the impression saliva tests

> could help assess treatment efficacy. The instructions didn't say

> anything about discontinuing oral hormones. Plus, I was worried about

> suddenly stopping the hydrocortisone. For the tests,

> I collected the 1st sample 24 hrs after my last dose of meds, then

> took my meds, and 4 hours later, collected the noon sample.

>

>

[Guest guest]

According to this doctor you can test while on meds to see how your

treatment is going. There is a specific protocol for doing it though.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/HormonesandHealth-

Naturally/message/1788

Dianne

>

> Thanks for your response. I was under the impression saliva tests

> could help assess treatment efficacy. The instructions didn't say

> anything about discontinuing oral hormones. Plus, I was worried about

> suddenly stopping the hydrocortisone. For the tests,

> I collected the 1st sample 24 hrs after my last dose of meds, then

> took my meds, and 4 hours later, collected the noon sample.

>

>

[Guest guest]

>>According to this doctor you can test while on meds to see how your

treatment is going. There is a specific protocol for doing it though. <<

Though I can't see all the message, i have to let you know Pat is NOT a doctor.

By his own admission, though he certainly allows people to think he is.

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[Guest guest]

>>According to this doctor you can test while on meds to see how your

treatment is going. There is a specific protocol for doing it though. <<

Though I can't see all the message, i have to let you know Pat is NOT a doctor.

By his own admission, though he certainly allows people to think he is.

--

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My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

>>According to this doctor you can test while on meds to see how your

treatment is going. There is a specific protocol for doing it though. <<

Though I can't see all the message, i have to let you know Pat is NOT a doctor.

By his own admission, though he certainly allows people to think he is.

--

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My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Hi Dianne the link you gave is to low to work and can't cut and paste it or

typing into the browser does not work. Can you put this link into a

http://tinyurl.com/

I would like very much to read this.

Thanks Phil

dwarrickh wrote:

According to this doctor you can test while on meds to see how your

treatment is going. There is a specific protocol for doing it though.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/HormonesandHealth-

Naturally/message/1788

Dianne

>

> Thanks for your response. I was under the impression saliva tests

> could help assess treatment efficacy. The instructions didn't say

> anything about discontinuing oral hormones. Plus, I was worried about

> suddenly stopping the hydrocortisone. For the tests,

> I collected the 1st sample 24 hrs after my last dose of meds, then

> took my meds, and 4 hours later, collected the noon sample.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Dianne the link you gave is to low to work and can't cut and paste it or

typing into the browser does not work. Can you put this link into a

http://tinyurl.com/

I would like very much to read this.

Thanks Phil

dwarrickh wrote:

According to this doctor you can test while on meds to see how your

treatment is going. There is a specific protocol for doing it though.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/HormonesandHealth-

Naturally/message/1788

Dianne

>

> Thanks for your response. I was under the impression saliva tests

> could help assess treatment efficacy. The instructions didn't say

> anything about discontinuing oral hormones. Plus, I was worried about

> suddenly stopping the hydrocortisone. For the tests,

> I collected the 1st sample 24 hrs after my last dose of meds, then

> took my meds, and 4 hours later, collected the noon sample.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Dianne the link you gave is to low to work and can't cut and paste it or

typing into the browser does not work. Can you put this link into a

http://tinyurl.com/

I would like very much to read this.

Thanks Phil

dwarrickh wrote:

According to this doctor you can test while on meds to see how your

treatment is going. There is a specific protocol for doing it though.

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/HormonesandHealth-

Naturally/message/1788

Dianne

>

> Thanks for your response. I was under the impression saliva tests

> could help assess treatment efficacy. The instructions didn't say

> anything about discontinuing oral hormones. Plus, I was worried about

> suddenly stopping the hydrocortisone. For the tests,

> I collected the 1st sample 24 hrs after my last dose of meds, then

> took my meds, and 4 hours later, collected the noon sample.

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hope this works!

http://tinyurl.com/2dt3gh

Dianne

> >

> > Thanks for your response. I was under the impression saliva tests

> > could help assess treatment efficacy. The instructions didn't say

> > anything about discontinuing oral hormones. Plus, I was worried

about

> > suddenly stopping the hydrocortisone. For the tests,

> > I collected the 1st sample 24 hrs after my last dose of meds,

then

> > took my meds, and 4 hours later, collected the noon sample.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Be a PS3 game guru.

> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at

Yahoo! Games.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hope this works!

http://tinyurl.com/2dt3gh

Dianne

> >

> > Thanks for your response. I was under the impression saliva tests

> > could help assess treatment efficacy. The instructions didn't say

> > anything about discontinuing oral hormones. Plus, I was worried

about

> > suddenly stopping the hydrocortisone. For the tests,

> > I collected the 1st sample 24 hrs after my last dose of meds,

then

> > took my meds, and 4 hours later, collected the noon sample.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Be a PS3 game guru.

> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at

Yahoo! Games.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hope this works!

http://tinyurl.com/2dt3gh

Dianne

> >

> > Thanks for your response. I was under the impression saliva tests

> > could help assess treatment efficacy. The instructions didn't say

> > anything about discontinuing oral hormones. Plus, I was worried

about

> > suddenly stopping the hydrocortisone. For the tests,

> > I collected the 1st sample 24 hrs after my last dose of meds,

then

> > took my meds, and 4 hours later, collected the noon sample.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Be a PS3 game guru.

> Get your game face on with the latest PS3 news and previews at

Yahoo! Games.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I have no idea about that but from what I have read he/she has

treated patients for 15 years and he/she definitely knows how to read

saliva and lab results. I have learned a lot from that site myself.

Dianne

>

> >>According to this doctor you can test while on meds to see how your

> treatment is going. There is a specific protocol for doing it

though. <<

>

> Though I can't see all the message, i have to let you know Pat is NOT

a doctor. By his own admission, though he certainly allows people to

think he is.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

> My Ebay Jewelry Store

http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I have no idea about that but from what I have read he/she has

treated patients for 15 years and he/she definitely knows how to read

saliva and lab results. I have learned a lot from that site myself.

Dianne

>

> >>According to this doctor you can test while on meds to see how your

> treatment is going. There is a specific protocol for doing it

though. <<

>

> Though I can't see all the message, i have to let you know Pat is NOT

a doctor. By his own admission, though he certainly allows people to

think he is.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

> My Ebay Jewelry Store

http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

Well, I have no idea about that but from what I have read he/she has

treated patients for 15 years and he/she definitely knows how to read

saliva and lab results. I have learned a lot from that site myself.

Dianne

>

> >>According to this doctor you can test while on meds to see how your

> treatment is going. There is a specific protocol for doing it

though. <<

>

> Though I can't see all the message, i have to let you know Pat is NOT

a doctor. By his own admission, though he certainly allows people to

think he is.

>

> --

> Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

> My Ebay Jewelry Store

http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

[Guest guest]

I STILL disagree with this. If you take HC at bedtime it will LOWER

ACTH thus lowering your AM cortisol.So you still are only seeing part if

the picture testing on HC. You see if it is too high maybe, if you catch

it peaking.. Who knows how fats YOUR digestion is? I can tell you form

being DIabetic it is differnt in everyone.

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