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Hi,

A question for anyone counting carbs. instead of food exchanges, has anyone

noticed that a certain amount of carbs, will raise your bs a certain amount?

With all the testing I have been doing lately, I have found that 1 carb. will

usually raise my bs 2 points.

Not always, but usually it stays pretty much that. Depending on what I eat,

of course and my activity.

So if I start with 115 before I eat and I don't want to see the numbers go

above 140, 2 hrs. after eating, I eat around 12 carbs for that meal.

Just wondering,

Debby

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Hi, Debby...sounds like you accidentally made a great discovery. Most of us

aren't so lucky, discovering a ratio that is consistent. Of course, with

diabetes things change...so the ratio may change too. Just be aware of that.

So...the key to good control is limiting your carbs to that which keeps your

BGs at a good place. Frequent testing will give you the answer. And you

could probably toss the " exchange program, " which you've probably noticed is

pretty carb-heavy.

Many of us have found that eliminating - or severely limiting - such highcarb

foods as potatos, rice, all grain products including pasta and bread, will

keep our BGs where they ought to be.

Vicki

In a message dated 06/19/2002 5:41:08 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

Rymoreason@... writes:

> Hi,

> A question for anyone counting carbs. instead of food exchanges, has anyone

>

> noticed that a certain amount of carbs, will raise your bs a certain

> amount?

> With all the testing I have been doing lately, I have found that 1 carb.

> will

> usually raise my bs 2 points.

> Not always, but usually it stays pretty much that. Depending on what I eat,

>

> of course and my activity.

> So if I start with 115 before I eat and I don't want to see the numbers go

> above 140, 2 hrs. after eating, I eat around 12 carbs for that meal.

> Just wondering,

> Debby

>

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Hi, Debby...sounds like you accidentally made a great discovery. Most of us

aren't so lucky, discovering a ratio that is consistent. Of course, with

diabetes things change...so the ratio may change too. Just be aware of that.

So...the key to good control is limiting your carbs to that which keeps your

BGs at a good place. Frequent testing will give you the answer. And you

could probably toss the " exchange program, " which you've probably noticed is

pretty carb-heavy.

Many of us have found that eliminating - or severely limiting - such highcarb

foods as potatos, rice, all grain products including pasta and bread, will

keep our BGs where they ought to be.

Vicki

In a message dated 06/19/2002 5:41:08 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

Rymoreason@... writes:

> Hi,

> A question for anyone counting carbs. instead of food exchanges, has anyone

>

> noticed that a certain amount of carbs, will raise your bs a certain

> amount?

> With all the testing I have been doing lately, I have found that 1 carb.

> will

> usually raise my bs 2 points.

> Not always, but usually it stays pretty much that. Depending on what I eat,

>

> of course and my activity.

> So if I start with 115 before I eat and I don't want to see the numbers go

> above 140, 2 hrs. after eating, I eat around 12 carbs for that meal.

> Just wondering,

> Debby

>

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Yes, absolutely now everybody think about eating rice, potatoes, pasta, and

bread and add it up. Is it any wonder that your blood sugar will go up and

then they just give you more and more meds, until your body just start

shutting down with leg pains, heart attacks, circulation, nerve damage etc.

All my problems are now caused by medications in my opinion, but I got 8

good years or pretty much eating whatever I wanted and keeping good blood

sugar and then one day it all fell apart.

Of course 3 of the meds I was on are now outlawed! Do I wish I could go back

and just eat lowcarb, you darned right I would, but I followed my doctor's

advice and the ADA. I never ate sweets, just lots of good baked potatoes and

food that was low fat and high carb.

Sorry to sound so peeved off, but I am. I feel they have tried to kill me,

but I am getting well a little at a time, an hour at a time without their

meds and the Atkins diet. Carbs kill and we will be hearing much more about

this in the coming years. Fat does not hurt you unless you combine it with

high carbs.

Phyllis N

>>Hi,

>A question for anyone counting carbs. instead of food exchanges, has anyone

>noticed that a certain amount of carbs, will raise your bs a certain

>amount?

>With all the testing I have been doing lately, I have found that 1 carb.

>will

>usually raise my bs 2 points.

> Not always, but usually it stays pretty much that. Depending on what I

>eat,

>of course and my activity.

>So if I start with 115 before I eat and I don't want to see the numbers go

>above 140, 2 hrs. after eating, I eat around 12 carbs for that meal.

>Just wondering,

>Debby

>

>

>

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> Nope! ;-) I often have a glass of milk, banana and 10 cashews

> for breakfast.

> Two hours later, the bg readings have been 63, 84, 90, 106,

> 108, 114 and 123.

> Definately not the slightest bit consistant.

While a two hour post meal test tells us whether we are recovering back to

normal in a reasonable time (and this can be influenced by many things in

addition to the meal content), it doesn't tell us very much about how high

of a peak a meal has produced. To find out how a particular meal affects

you, you really need to test right before you eat and at, say, 15 minute

intervals for two or three hours and draw in a " peak " where the readings

flatten off at the top. The peak might be 1 to 1 1/2 hours after the meal

and higher than your highest test result, even at 15 minute intervals.

You might be surprised at how high of a peak the breakfast you mentioned

produces -- then, again, you may not.

Tom the Actuary

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Phyllis,

I'm thinking the same thing and have counseled my son NOT to go on meds and

have given him low carb information.

Do I wish I

>>could go back

>>and just eat lowcarb, you darned right I would, but I followed my

>>doctor's

>>advice and the ADA. I never ate sweets, just lots of good baked

>>potatoes and

>>food that was low fat and high carb.

I did the same thing... I followed my doctor's advice, and now I'm doing

what I know works!

Sandy

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Phyllis,

I'm thinking the same thing and have counseled my son NOT to go on meds and

have given him low carb information.

Do I wish I

>>could go back

>>and just eat lowcarb, you darned right I would, but I followed my

>>doctor's

>>advice and the ADA. I never ate sweets, just lots of good baked

>>potatoes and

>>food that was low fat and high carb.

I did the same thing... I followed my doctor's advice, and now I'm doing

what I know works!

Sandy

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--- wsm311@... wrote:

>

> > A question for anyone counting carbs. instead of

> food exchanges, has anyone

> > noticed that a certain amount of carbs, will raise

> your bs a certain amount?

In my case and my late fathers, absolutely. I base my

insulin on BG readings and amount of carbs to be eaten

at my meal or snack (eaten imediately after my insulin

injection). Carbs raise mine and raised my fathers

BG much faster than table sugar. Some foods have

almost zero impact on my BG's. Cabbage, spinach,

asparagus, tomatoes, (actually most all vegies) and a

few fruits in small or moderate amounts.

I super hated the food exchange, still hate it.

Counting carbs is much faster and easier for me. Also

easier to understand my diabetic log entries later as

I note the total carbs with each meal by each separate

food.

Lots of people do well on the exchange diet and hate

carb counting.

Tars

> Nope! ;-) I often have a glass of milk, banana and

> 10 cashews for breakfast.

> Two hours later, the bg readings have been 63, 84,

> 90, 106, 108, 114 and 123.

> Definitely not the slightest bit consistent.

>

> (wsm311@...)

> Peace and Carrots Farm

> Vermont

> http://www.homestead.com/peaceandcarrots/

>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VermontHomesteaders/join

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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--- wsm311@... wrote:

>

> > A question for anyone counting carbs. instead of

> food exchanges, has anyone

> > noticed that a certain amount of carbs, will raise

> your bs a certain amount?

In my case and my late fathers, absolutely. I base my

insulin on BG readings and amount of carbs to be eaten

at my meal or snack (eaten imediately after my insulin

injection). Carbs raise mine and raised my fathers

BG much faster than table sugar. Some foods have

almost zero impact on my BG's. Cabbage, spinach,

asparagus, tomatoes, (actually most all vegies) and a

few fruits in small or moderate amounts.

I super hated the food exchange, still hate it.

Counting carbs is much faster and easier for me. Also

easier to understand my diabetic log entries later as

I note the total carbs with each meal by each separate

food.

Lots of people do well on the exchange diet and hate

carb counting.

Tars

> Nope! ;-) I often have a glass of milk, banana and

> 10 cashews for breakfast.

> Two hours later, the bg readings have been 63, 84,

> 90, 106, 108, 114 and 123.

> Definitely not the slightest bit consistent.

>

> (wsm311@...)

> Peace and Carrots Farm

> Vermont

> http://www.homestead.com/peaceandcarrots/

>

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/VermontHomesteaders/join

>

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

>

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I sure agree with you there, Tars. When I was diagnosed and saw a CDE, I

asked her if I had to use the exchange program...being " mathematically

impaired, " I found it totally confusing. Luckily, she was very much a

lowcarb advocate (ahead of her time!) so I did carb counting from the very

beginning. What a life saver that was!

Vicki

In a message dated 06/20/2002 9:53:45 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

tarscampbell@... writes:

>

> I super hated the food exchange, still hate it.

> Counting carbs is much faster and easier for me. Also

> easier to understand my diabetic log entries later as

> I note the total carbs with each meal by each separate

> food.

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