RE: Val I need your input.

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Phil,

When I first went on HC over 2 months ago.....I took my Armour first

and then the HC. It didn't work well.... I was even more

fatigued! So, when someone suggested I switch them around, it made a

world of difference, right away! I take my HC FIRST and then an

hour later, take my Armour and T4. I too think you would do better on

10mg. first dose of the day and then follow with your 5mg.

dosing.....When I only took 5mg. in the AM, I was sluggish all day

long. Why not give it a try? At this point you have nothing to lose

except the fatigue! :0)

Dana

> >

> > I am up to 2.75 grains of armour one in the morning before taking

10

> > mgs of Cortef and one at noon before taking 5 mgs of cortef

and .75

> > mgs at dinner before taking 5 mgs of Cortef.

> >

> >

> Hi, Phil,

>

> Just out of curiosity, why are you taking the HC AFTER the Armour?

> Maybe you'd get more bang for the buck if you take the HC BEFORE or

> WITH the Armour, since you need cortisol to let the thyroid into the

> cells.

>

> I take mine together & do just fine. But, I don't need to eat with

my

> HC, so it makes it easy. No stomach upset for me, so I pop the

first

> one first thing when I wake up, along with 2 grains of Nature-

throid.

>

> Warmly,

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> From what I have read doing more in the morning if you cortisol

levels are very low mine are very low first thing in the morning I

have tried all kinds of ways even went up to 30 mgs a day no

difference this is what works the best so far. I was adding more

armour in the past by my Temps they go up when I add then about 10 to

14 days they fall back some this was when I added more. Now that I am

over 2.5 grains my temps don't fall so fast and this time it's been

over 3 weeks. So this is why I posted to Val.

> Phil

Hi, Phil,

I've got to tell you that I wonder if some of your meds might be

causing the temps to continue to be whacked out.

I was previously on Adderall XR for ADHD (and was on Concerta prior to

that). I DID NOT buy into the " hype " that stimulants & psych meds

undermine the adrenals, because I couldn't find any supporting studies

that really convinced me.

Well, after being on HC for a period of time, I started having trouble

sleeping. I didn't think it could be that I was on too much HC,

because my temps still weren't stable, and I was still needing to

stress dose, etc.

So, I decided to do a trial of no Adderall. Stopped cold turkey with

NO problems. Seems that being on HC took away a pretty good chunk of

ADHD symptoms. (And being on ample progesterone seems to take care of

the rest...hmmm...imagine that!)

Anyway, guess what happened? Within 3 days, my temps stabilized!

They're still low - clearly not optimized yet, and they still get

wacky when I have my period, but prior to stopping the Adderall, I was

all over the map with temps.

Mind you, Phil, I would have NEVER imagined that this would happen.

Now, the negative part is that I'm really slumpy & tired now - more

reflective of how unwell I really am, with no stimulant revving me up

through the day. That part is hard to deal with. For example, I

don't feel that I could work full time right now (and with my present

financial situation, I need to re-think that!) But I do feel like I

will ultimately be healthier in the end.

Not trying to convert you, just provide food for thought from the

perspective of been there, done that. If I hadn't been through it

myself, I wouldn't have believed it. (And I think that people are WAY

too emotional about the use of stimulants for ADHD, so please folks,

no flaming posts on that topic!)

Then, I spoke with a hormone expert about my goofy sex hormone

results. Turns out that my monthly estrogen surge is happening after

ovulation instead of before. He said that this is rare, but when he

sees it, it's almost exclusively in women on psych drugs & that drs

don't understand how drugs that affect brain chemistry also affect

hormone issues. Wouldn't have believed that either if I hadn't seen

the test results, etc. for myself.

Also, if I recall correctly, you're on a couple of other

asthma/allergy drugs? Is it possible that with the HC & those that

you're suppressing the HPA axis? Don't know much about that...perhaps

Val might comment?

Warmly,

[Guest guest]

Ok I don't let it dissolve in my mouth I tried between my gum and cheek and it

hurts my teeth. In my mouth gages me.

Phil

wrote:

But, if you're letting Armour dissolve in the mouth,

then isn't it okay to take with food, calcium, iron,

etc.???????

--- philip georgian wrote:

> Well you need to take Armour with out food and HC

> with food. I have been thinking of trying this but

> need to do my blood work first I never change

> anything until after my blood work.

> Phil

>

> angesc2001 wrote:

>

> >

> > I am up to 2.75 grains of armour one in the

> morning before taking 10

> > mgs of Cortef and one at noon before taking 5 mgs

> of cortef and .75

> > mgs at dinner before taking 5 mgs of Cortef.

> >

> >

> Hi, Phil,

>

> Just out of curiosity, why are you taking the HC

> AFTER the Armour?

> Maybe you'd get more bang for the buck if you take

> the HC BEFORE or

> WITH the Armour, since you need cortisol to let the

> thyroid into the

> cells.

>

> I take mine together & do just fine. But, I don't

> need to eat with my

> HC, so it makes it easy. No stomach upset for me, so

> I pop the first

> one first thing when I wake up, along with 2 grains

> of Nature-throid.

>

> Warmly,

>

>

>

>

>

>

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This moring I did both 10mgs of Cortef and 1 grain of Armour and was able to

clean the whole house with my wife not a problem with fatigue. I just sat down

now I am tired but not weak and fatigued. I did this at 6am went back to bed

and got up at 8am eat and started cleaning.

I hope this keeps up it felt good to do something.

Phil

danamarie39 wrote:

Phil,

When I first went on HC over 2 months ago.....I took my Armour first

and then the HC. It didn't work well.... I was even more

fatigued! So, when someone suggested I switch them around, it made a

world of difference, right away! I take my HC FIRST and then an

hour later, take my Armour and T4. I too think you would do better on

10mg. first dose of the day and then follow with your 5mg.

dosing.....When I only took 5mg. in the AM, I was sluggish all day

long. Why not give it a try? At this point you have nothing to lose

except the fatigue! :0)

Dana

> >

> > I am up to 2.75 grains of armour one in the morning before taking

10

> > mgs of Cortef and one at noon before taking 5 mgs of cortef

and .75

> > mgs at dinner before taking 5 mgs of Cortef.

> >

> >

> Hi, Phil,

>

> Just out of curiosity, why are you taking the HC AFTER the Armour?

> Maybe you'd get more bang for the buck if you take the HC BEFORE or

> WITH the Armour, since you need cortisol to let the thyroid into the

> cells.

>

> I take mine together & do just fine. But, I don't need to eat with

my

> HC, so it makes it easy. No stomach upset for me, so I pop the

first

> one first thing when I wake up, along with 2 grains of Nature-

throid.

>

> Warmly,

>

>

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I know what your saying and talked with my Dr. about this when I seen him last

month. I am going to start to come off a lot of the meds when I see him next

month. He wanted to wait for more testing. So he said first the Concerta then

the Xanax and so on my breating is so much better but he wants to go slow.

Phil

angesc2001 wrote:

>

> From what I have read doing more in the morning if you cortisol

levels are very low mine are very low first thing in the morning I

have tried all kinds of ways even went up to 30 mgs a day no

difference this is what works the best so far. I was adding more

armour in the past by my Temps they go up when I add then about 10 to

14 days they fall back some this was when I added more. Now that I am

over 2.5 grains my temps don't fall so fast and this time it's been

over 3 weeks. So this is why I posted to Val.

> Phil

Hi, Phil,

I've got to tell you that I wonder if some of your meds might be

causing the temps to continue to be whacked out.

I was previously on Adderall XR for ADHD (and was on Concerta prior to

that). I DID NOT buy into the " hype " that stimulants & psych meds

undermine the adrenals, because I couldn't find any supporting studies

that really convinced me.

Well, after being on HC for a period of time, I started having trouble

sleeping. I didn't think it could be that I was on too much HC,

because my temps still weren't stable, and I was still needing to

stress dose, etc.

So, I decided to do a trial of no Adderall. Stopped cold turkey with

NO problems. Seems that being on HC took away a pretty good chunk of

ADHD symptoms. (And being on ample progesterone seems to take care of

the rest...hmmm...imagine that!)

Anyway, guess what happened? Within 3 days, my temps stabilized!

They're still low - clearly not optimized yet, and they still get

wacky when I have my period, but prior to stopping the Adderall, I was

all over the map with temps.

Mind you, Phil, I would have NEVER imagined that this would happen.

Now, the negative part is that I'm really slumpy & tired now - more

reflective of how unwell I really am, with no stimulant revving me up

through the day. That part is hard to deal with. For example, I

don't feel that I could work full time right now (and with my present

financial situation, I need to re-think that!) But I do feel like I

will ultimately be healthier in the end.

Not trying to convert you, just provide food for thought from the

perspective of been there, done that. If I hadn't been through it

myself, I wouldn't have believed it. (And I think that people are WAY

too emotional about the use of stimulants for ADHD, so please folks,

no flaming posts on that topic!)

Then, I spoke with a hormone expert about my goofy sex hormone

results. Turns out that my monthly estrogen surge is happening after

ovulation instead of before. He said that this is rare, but when he

sees it, it's almost exclusively in women on psych drugs & that drs

don't understand how drugs that affect brain chemistry also affect

hormone issues. Wouldn't have believed that either if I hadn't seen

the test results, etc. for myself.

Also, if I recall correctly, you're on a couple of other

asthma/allergy drugs? Is it possible that with the HC & those that

you're suppressing the HPA axis? Don't know much about that...perhaps

Val might comment?

Warmly,

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[Guest guest]

> > >

> > > I am up to 2.75 grains of armour one in the morning before

taking

> 10

> > > mgs of Cortef and one at noon before taking 5 mgs of cortef

> and .75

> > > mgs at dinner before taking 5 mgs of Cortef.

> > >

> > >

> > Hi, Phil,

> >

> > Just out of curiosity, why are you taking the HC AFTER the

Armour?

> > Maybe you'd get more bang for the buck if you take the HC BEFORE

or

> > WITH the Armour, since you need cortisol to let the thyroid into

the

> > cells.

> >

> > I take mine together & do just fine. But, I don't need to eat

with

> my

> > HC, so it makes it easy. No stomach upset for me, so I pop the

> first

> > one first thing when I wake up, along with 2 grains of Nature-

> throid.

> >

> > Warmly,

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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>

[Guest guest]

>

> Well you need to take Armour with out food and HC with food. I have

been thinking of trying this but need to do my blood work first I

never change anything until after my blood work.

> Phil

>

Fair enough. I think you only need to take it with food if it bothers

your stomach.

Anyone know for sure?

[Guest guest]

Yeah, Phil, slower is probably better than the way I did it. But I

seem to prefer to do things the hard way! LOL!

Glad to hear that you had a good morning taking the HC with the Armour.

Warmly,

>

> I know what your saying and talked with my Dr. about this when I

seen him last month. I am going to start to come off a lot of the

meds when I see him next month. He wanted to wait for more testing.

So he said first the Concerta then the Xanax and so on my breating is

so much better but he wants to go slow.

> Phil

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Kim you have been through the ringer but it will get better Val. will have

you in good shape in no time. My Dr. just checks morning Cortisol level with

no meds taken that morning I have to have the blood draw at 8am. He is not

happy about me being on Cortef but what can one do I need it. My Adrenals have

not been getting the ACTH messages for a long time I have a Pituitary Problem

due to a bad Head Injury some 23 yrs. ago and just last yr. found out this is

why I have been so sick for so long.

At noon today I took both at the same time Cortef 5mgs and 1 grain of Armour

still doing good. Nice way to start the week.

Phil

Kim wrote:

> > >

> > > I am up to 2.75 grains of armour one in the morning before

taking

> 10

> > > mgs of Cortef and one at noon before taking 5 mgs of cortef

> and .75

> > > mgs at dinner before taking 5 mgs of Cortef.

> > >

> > >

> > Hi, Phil,

> >

> > Just out of curiosity, why are you taking the HC AFTER the

Armour?

> > Maybe you'd get more bang for the buck if you take the HC BEFORE

or

> > WITH the Armour, since you need cortisol to let the thyroid into

the

> > cells.

> >

> > I take mine together & do just fine. But, I don't need to eat

with

> my

> > HC, so it makes it easy. No stomach upset for me, so I pop the

> first

> > one first thing when I wake up, along with 2 grains of Nature-

> throid.

> >

> > Warmly,

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

So far I have found if I take them both with some 1/2% milk I don't get the

stomach upset. I started doing this today.

Phil

angesc2001 wrote:

>

> Well you need to take Armour with out food and HC with food. I have

been thinking of trying this but need to do my blood work first I

never change anything until after my blood work.

> Phil

>

Fair enough. I think you only need to take it with food if it bothers

your stomach.

Anyone know for sure?

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Thanks I pray this is the start of feeling better.

Phil

angesc2001 wrote:

Yeah, Phil, slower is probably better than the way I did it. But I

seem to prefer to do things the hard way! LOL!

Glad to hear that you had a good morning taking the HC with the Armour.

Warmly,

>

> I know what your saying and talked with my Dr. about this when I

seen him last month. I am going to start to come off a lot of the

meds when I see him next month. He wanted to wait for more testing.

So he said first the Concerta then the Xanax and so on my breating is

so much better but he wants to go slow.

> Phil

>

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