RE: Val I need your input.

[Guest guest]

Are your temps stable form day to day , the averages? If so by all means

go up! I stayed at 98.6 for over a year with going form 4 grain to 5.5

grains Armoru so once your temps are normal doe not always mean your

thyroid is optimal.

--

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My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Are your temps stable form day to day , the averages? If so by all means

go up! I stayed at 98.6 for over a year with going form 4 grain to 5.5

grains Armoru so once your temps are normal doe not always mean your

thyroid is optimal.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Great I just needed to hear you say this it looks like by the way I feel when I

up the dose that I have a way to go. I feel better for about 2 weeks then it

falls off yet not my Temps doin't show this now. They are staying level and

this happened when I did the switch from Isocort to Cortef. I am thinking about

doing one and a half grains in the morning and one grain at noon and a half at

dinner.

Phil

T wrote:

Are your temps stable form day to day , the averages? If so by all

means

go up! I stayed at 98.6 for over a year with going form 4 grain to 5.5

grains Armoru so once your temps are normal doe not always mean your

thyroid is optimal.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

---------------------------------

8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time

with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.

[Guest guest]

Great I just needed to hear you say this it looks like by the way I feel when I

up the dose that I have a way to go. I feel better for about 2 weeks then it

falls off yet not my Temps doin't show this now. They are staying level and

this happened when I did the switch from Isocort to Cortef. I am thinking about

doing one and a half grains in the morning and one grain at noon and a half at

dinner.

Phil

T wrote:

Are your temps stable form day to day , the averages? If so by all

means

go up! I stayed at 98.6 for over a year with going form 4 grain to 5.5

grains Armoru so once your temps are normal doe not always mean your

thyroid is optimal.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

---------------------------------

8:00? 8:25? 8:40? Find a flick in no time

with theYahoo! Search movie showtime shortcut.

[Guest guest]

Great I just needed to hear you say this it looks like by the way I feel when I

up the dose that I have a way to go. I feel better for about 2 weeks then it

falls off yet not my Temps doin't show this now. They are staying level and

this happened when I did the switch from Isocort to Cortef. I am thinking about

doing one and a half grains in the morning and one grain at noon and a half at

dinner.

Phil

T wrote:

Are your temps stable form day to day , the averages? If so by all

means

go up! I stayed at 98.6 for over a year with going form 4 grain to 5.5

grains Armoru so once your temps are normal doe not always mean your

thyroid is optimal.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

Phil,

What else are you doing to get nutrients into your body. Our body is a complex

machine and we have to have the proper nutrients for fuel. Armour and Cortef

are treating the disease, but your body needs proper nutrients to function

properly.

Irene

> [Original Message]

>

> To: <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS >

> Date: 1/21/2007 12:28:49 PM

> Subject: Val I need your input.

>

> I am up to 2.75 grains of armour one in the morning before taking 10

> mgs of Cortef and one at noon before taking 5 mgs of cortef and .75

> mgs at dinner before taking 5 mgs of Cortef.

>

> My temps are between 98.5 and 98.7 for the last 20 days. I still

> feel very fatigued don't do much but sit here on the PC. I went to

> this dose of Armout 20 days ago and I am thinking I need to go up to

> 3 grains 15mgs more. I need to get past this dam fatigue I am

> wasting away here not getting much exercise. I try walking but feel

> so bad the rest of the day I don't do it. When I get up from my

> chair and walk into the other room I am shot of breath and my heart

> beats fast. This has been going on for over a yr. now. I was fine

> up till I got Bronchitis so bad last winter. When I started on HC

> and later added Armour I do feel much better before doing this I

> could not breathe at all. I feel doing the HC is keeping me from

> getting sick during winter I mean I would be sick with Bronchitis

> every winter.

>

> I so much want to get back to my old self and be able to walk out

> side this spring and work around the house. I think I am close but

> not the yet. What do you think more Armour.

> Thanks Phil

[Guest guest]

Here is everything I take meds and all.

Phil

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

-----------------------------------------------

Here are the meds I am on.

----------------------------------------------------

Depo Testosterone 50 mgs. every 3 days.

HCG 250 IU's the 2 days each in between my T. shots.

Arimidex .5 mgs 1 x's /day.

Concerta 36 mgs. 1 x's /day.

Celebrex 200 mgs. 2 x's /day.

Dyazide/Triamterne/ACTZ 37.5 mgs. & 25 mgs. 3 x's /week.

Nasacort 2x's /day.

Xanax .125 mgs. at bedtime.

Singulair 10 mgs. 2 at bedtime.

Cialis 20 mgs. every 3 days.

Protonix 40 mgs. at dinner.

Armour 2.75 grains.

Cortef 5 mgs. 4 x's /day.

Supplements

----------------------------------------------------

Black Current Seed Oil

http://www.myvitanet.com/blaccurseedo5.html

Fish Oil 3 x's /day.

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11071265 & whse=BC & topnav= & browse\

= & s=1

Super Bio C. 2 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/supbiocbuf36.html

Clinical Nutrients for 50-Plus Men 2 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/clinnutforse.html

Cranberry Plus every other day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/cranplustab9.html

DHEA 25 mgs. 1 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/dhea260capph.html

End Fatigue Daily Energy B Complex. 1 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/endfadaenbco.html

Arginine and l-Orthinine 1 at bedtime.

http://www.myvitanet.com/twinarcap100.html

Zinc & Copper 50 mgs./2 mgs. 1 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/zincop100cnt.html

Maca Power 1/2 tsb 2 x's /day.

http://www.macaweb.com/view.cfm/hurl/pid=1033/Maca-Powerreg--454g1-lbs-Raw-Maca-\

Powder

Irene wrote:

Phil,

What else are you doing to get nutrients into your body. Our body is a complex

machine and we have to have the proper nutrients for fuel. Armour and Cortef are

treating the disease, but your body needs proper nutrients to function properly.

Irene

> [Original Message]

>

> To: <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS >

> Date: 1/21/2007 12:28:49 PM

> Subject: Val I need your input.

>

> I am up to 2.75 grains of armour one in the morning before taking 10

> mgs of Cortef and one at noon before taking 5 mgs of cortef and .75

> mgs at dinner before taking 5 mgs of Cortef.

>

> My temps are between 98.5 and 98.7 for the last 20 days. I still

> feel very fatigued don't do much but sit here on the PC. I went to

> this dose of Armout 20 days ago and I am thinking I need to go up to

> 3 grains 15mgs more. I need to get past this dam fatigue I am

> wasting away here not getting much exercise. I try walking but feel

> so bad the rest of the day I don't do it. When I get up from my

> chair and walk into the other room I am shot of breath and my heart

> beats fast. This has been going on for over a yr. now. I was fine

> up till I got Bronchitis so bad last winter. When I started on HC

> and later added Armour I do feel much better before doing this I

> could not breathe at all. I feel doing the HC is keeping me from

> getting sick during winter I mean I would be sick with Bronchitis

> every winter.

>

> I so much want to get back to my old self and be able to walk out

> side this spring and work around the house. I think I am close but

> not the yet. What do you think more Armour.

> Thanks Phil

[Guest guest]

Here is everything I take meds and all.

Phil

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

-----------------------------------------------

Here are the meds I am on.

----------------------------------------------------

Depo Testosterone 50 mgs. every 3 days.

HCG 250 IU's the 2 days each in between my T. shots.

Arimidex .5 mgs 1 x's /day.

Concerta 36 mgs. 1 x's /day.

Celebrex 200 mgs. 2 x's /day.

Dyazide/Triamterne/ACTZ 37.5 mgs. & 25 mgs. 3 x's /week.

Nasacort 2x's /day.

Xanax .125 mgs. at bedtime.

Singulair 10 mgs. 2 at bedtime.

Cialis 20 mgs. every 3 days.

Protonix 40 mgs. at dinner.

Armour 2.75 grains.

Cortef 5 mgs. 4 x's /day.

Supplements

----------------------------------------------------

Black Current Seed Oil

http://www.myvitanet.com/blaccurseedo5.html

Fish Oil 3 x's /day.

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11071265 & whse=BC & topnav= & browse\

= & s=1

Super Bio C. 2 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/supbiocbuf36.html

Clinical Nutrients for 50-Plus Men 2 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/clinnutforse.html

Cranberry Plus every other day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/cranplustab9.html

DHEA 25 mgs. 1 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/dhea260capph.html

End Fatigue Daily Energy B Complex. 1 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/endfadaenbco.html

Arginine and l-Orthinine 1 at bedtime.

http://www.myvitanet.com/twinarcap100.html

Zinc & Copper 50 mgs./2 mgs. 1 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/zincop100cnt.html

Maca Power 1/2 tsb 2 x's /day.

http://www.macaweb.com/view.cfm/hurl/pid=1033/Maca-Powerreg--454g1-lbs-Raw-Maca-\

Powder

Irene wrote:

Phil,

What else are you doing to get nutrients into your body. Our body is a complex

machine and we have to have the proper nutrients for fuel. Armour and Cortef are

treating the disease, but your body needs proper nutrients to function properly.

Irene

> [Original Message]

>

> To: <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS >

> Date: 1/21/2007 12:28:49 PM

> Subject: Val I need your input.

>

> I am up to 2.75 grains of armour one in the morning before taking 10

> mgs of Cortef and one at noon before taking 5 mgs of cortef and .75

> mgs at dinner before taking 5 mgs of Cortef.

>

> My temps are between 98.5 and 98.7 for the last 20 days. I still

> feel very fatigued don't do much but sit here on the PC. I went to

> this dose of Armout 20 days ago and I am thinking I need to go up to

> 3 grains 15mgs more. I need to get past this dam fatigue I am

> wasting away here not getting much exercise. I try walking but feel

> so bad the rest of the day I don't do it. When I get up from my

> chair and walk into the other room I am shot of breath and my heart

> beats fast. This has been going on for over a yr. now. I was fine

> up till I got Bronchitis so bad last winter. When I started on HC

> and later added Armour I do feel much better before doing this I

> could not breathe at all. I feel doing the HC is keeping me from

> getting sick during winter I mean I would be sick with Bronchitis

> every winter.

>

> I so much want to get back to my old self and be able to walk out

> side this spring and work around the house. I think I am close but

> not the yet. What do you think more Armour.

> Thanks Phil

[Guest guest]

Here is everything I take meds and all.

Phil

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------\

-----------------------------------------------

Here are the meds I am on.

----------------------------------------------------

Depo Testosterone 50 mgs. every 3 days.

HCG 250 IU's the 2 days each in between my T. shots.

Arimidex .5 mgs 1 x's /day.

Concerta 36 mgs. 1 x's /day.

Celebrex 200 mgs. 2 x's /day.

Dyazide/Triamterne/ACTZ 37.5 mgs. & 25 mgs. 3 x's /week.

Nasacort 2x's /day.

Xanax .125 mgs. at bedtime.

Singulair 10 mgs. 2 at bedtime.

Cialis 20 mgs. every 3 days.

Protonix 40 mgs. at dinner.

Armour 2.75 grains.

Cortef 5 mgs. 4 x's /day.

Supplements

----------------------------------------------------

Black Current Seed Oil

http://www.myvitanet.com/blaccurseedo5.html

Fish Oil 3 x's /day.

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11071265 & whse=BC & topnav= & browse\

= & s=1

Super Bio C. 2 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/supbiocbuf36.html

Clinical Nutrients for 50-Plus Men 2 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/clinnutforse.html

Cranberry Plus every other day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/cranplustab9.html

DHEA 25 mgs. 1 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/dhea260capph.html

End Fatigue Daily Energy B Complex. 1 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/endfadaenbco.html

Arginine and l-Orthinine 1 at bedtime.

http://www.myvitanet.com/twinarcap100.html

Zinc & Copper 50 mgs./2 mgs. 1 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/zincop100cnt.html

Maca Power 1/2 tsb 2 x's /day.

http://www.macaweb.com/view.cfm/hurl/pid=1033/Maca-Powerreg--454g1-lbs-Raw-Maca-\

Powder

Irene wrote:

Phil,

What else are you doing to get nutrients into your body. Our body is a complex

machine and we have to have the proper nutrients for fuel. Armour and Cortef are

treating the disease, but your body needs proper nutrients to function properly.

Irene

> [Original Message]

>

> To: <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS >

> Date: 1/21/2007 12:28:49 PM

> Subject: Val I need your input.

>

> I am up to 2.75 grains of armour one in the morning before taking 10

> mgs of Cortef and one at noon before taking 5 mgs of cortef and .75

> mgs at dinner before taking 5 mgs of Cortef.

>

> My temps are between 98.5 and 98.7 for the last 20 days. I still

> feel very fatigued don't do much but sit here on the PC. I went to

> this dose of Armout 20 days ago and I am thinking I need to go up to

> 3 grains 15mgs more. I need to get past this dam fatigue I am

> wasting away here not getting much exercise. I try walking but feel

> so bad the rest of the day I don't do it. When I get up from my

> chair and walk into the other room I am shot of breath and my heart

> beats fast. This has been going on for over a yr. now. I was fine

> up till I got Bronchitis so bad last winter. When I started on HC

> and later added Armour I do feel much better before doing this I

> could not breathe at all. I feel doing the HC is keeping me from

> getting sick during winter I mean I would be sick with Bronchitis

> every winter.

>

> I so much want to get back to my old self and be able to walk out

> side this spring and work around the house. I think I am close but

> not the yet. What do you think more Armour.

> Thanks Phil

[Guest guest]

>> Concerta 36 mgs. 1 x's /day.

Celebrex 200 mgs. 2 x's /day.

Dyazide/Triamterne/ACTZ 37.5 mgs. & 25 mgs. 3 x's /week.

Nasacort 2x's /day.

Xanax .125 mgs. at bedtime.

Singulair 10 mgs. 2 at bedtime.

Cialis 20 mgs. every 3 days.

Protonix 40 mgs. at dinner.<<

And ALL these might be unnecessary if you are able to get your thyroid optimal!

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

>> Concerta 36 mgs. 1 x's /day.

Celebrex 200 mgs. 2 x's /day.

Dyazide/Triamterne/ACTZ 37.5 mgs. & 25 mgs. 3 x's /week.

Nasacort 2x's /day.

Xanax .125 mgs. at bedtime.

Singulair 10 mgs. 2 at bedtime.

Cialis 20 mgs. every 3 days.

Protonix 40 mgs. at dinner.<<

And ALL these might be unnecessary if you are able to get your thyroid optimal!

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

>> Concerta 36 mgs. 1 x's /day.

Celebrex 200 mgs. 2 x's /day.

Dyazide/Triamterne/ACTZ 37.5 mgs. & 25 mgs. 3 x's /week.

Nasacort 2x's /day.

Xanax .125 mgs. at bedtime.

Singulair 10 mgs. 2 at bedtime.

Cialis 20 mgs. every 3 days.

Protonix 40 mgs. at dinner.<<

And ALL these might be unnecessary if you are able to get your thyroid optimal!

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Thanks Val I was going to ask later but someone got me going. I am not add my

Dr. gave me Concerta to help with the fatige.

I have been on the Xanax for yrs. to help with panic attacks I got in the

middle of the night have not had one sense starting on HC and Armour.

The Celebrex I don't feel the joint and muscle pain it got much better.

Nasacort, Singulair and Protonix my breathing is so much better.

I have run this past my Dr. some months ago and he is on a wait and see mode.

The first one going is Concerta because it can stress the adrenals I will find

out next month when I see him.

Thanks Phil

wrote:

>> Concerta 36 mgs. 1 x's /day.

Celebrex 200 mgs. 2 x's /day.

Dyazide/Triamterne/ACTZ 37.5 mgs. & 25 mgs. 3 x's /week.

Nasacort 2x's /day.

Xanax .125 mgs. at bedtime.

Singulair 10 mgs. 2 at bedtime.

Cialis 20 mgs. every 3 days.

Protonix 40 mgs. at dinner.<<

And ALL these might be unnecessary if you are able to get your thyroid optimal!

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Val I was going to ask later but someone got me going. I am not add my

Dr. gave me Concerta to help with the fatige.

I have been on the Xanax for yrs. to help with panic attacks I got in the

middle of the night have not had one sense starting on HC and Armour.

The Celebrex I don't feel the joint and muscle pain it got much better.

Nasacort, Singulair and Protonix my breathing is so much better.

I have run this past my Dr. some months ago and he is on a wait and see mode.

The first one going is Concerta because it can stress the adrenals I will find

out next month when I see him.

Thanks Phil

wrote:

>> Concerta 36 mgs. 1 x's /day.

Celebrex 200 mgs. 2 x's /day.

Dyazide/Triamterne/ACTZ 37.5 mgs. & 25 mgs. 3 x's /week.

Nasacort 2x's /day.

Xanax .125 mgs. at bedtime.

Singulair 10 mgs. 2 at bedtime.

Cialis 20 mgs. every 3 days.

Protonix 40 mgs. at dinner.<<

And ALL these might be unnecessary if you are able to get your thyroid optimal!

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Val I was going to ask later but someone got me going. I am not add my

Dr. gave me Concerta to help with the fatige.

I have been on the Xanax for yrs. to help with panic attacks I got in the

middle of the night have not had one sense starting on HC and Armour.

The Celebrex I don't feel the joint and muscle pain it got much better.

Nasacort, Singulair and Protonix my breathing is so much better.

I have run this past my Dr. some months ago and he is on a wait and see mode.

The first one going is Concerta because it can stress the adrenals I will find

out next month when I see him.

Thanks Phil

wrote:

>> Concerta 36 mgs. 1 x's /day.

Celebrex 200 mgs. 2 x's /day.

Dyazide/Triamterne/ACTZ 37.5 mgs. & 25 mgs. 3 x's /week.

Nasacort 2x's /day.

Xanax .125 mgs. at bedtime.

Singulair 10 mgs. 2 at bedtime.

Cialis 20 mgs. every 3 days.

Protonix 40 mgs. at dinner.<<

And ALL these might be unnecessary if you are able to get your thyroid optimal!

--

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

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[Guest guest]

> Here is everything I take meds and all.

> Phil

> ------------------------------------------------------------------

-------------------------------------------------------------

>

> Here are the meds I am on.

> ----------------------------------------------------

> Depo Testosterone 50 mgs. every 3 days.

> HCG 250 IU's the 2 days each in between my T. shots.

> Arimidex .5 mgs 1 x's /day.

> Concerta 36 mgs. 1 x's /day.

> Celebrex 200 mgs. 2 x's /day.

> Dyazide/Triamterne/ACTZ 37.5 mgs. & 25 mgs. 3 x's /week.

> Nasacort 2x's /day.

> Xanax .125 mgs. at bedtime.

> Singulair 10 mgs. 2 at bedtime.

> Cialis 20 mgs. every 3 days.

> Protonix 40 mgs. at dinner.

> Armour 2.75 grains.

> Cortef 5 mgs. 4 x's /day.

~~~Phil, my husband (age 56) has Rheumatoid Arthritis, and for about

3 or 4 years was on 3 different meds at one time. Slowly, without

his Rheumy's permission necessarily, he tapered off of the meds. At

the same time, we addressed our diets and a couple of times a year we

do a liver cleanse with supplements. The diet thing, I'd say has

made the most impact. We eat almost NO processed foods (what I call

phony phoods), we buy unprocessed raw milk (complete with ALL the

cream) direct from a farm nearby. We also buy from the same farm,

between the 2 of us, a minimum of 2 dozen eggs a week, most of which

are added to our morning fruit smoothie (the base is raw milk

kefir). We've eliminated 90% of the sugars in our diets. Those

changes started about 2 years ago. We've also added Cod Liver Oil

and various supplements - for him these include many anti-

inflammatories.

My husband has been completely off of all meds for about 6 or 7

months now. He does occasionally get a flare up, but extra Omega 3s,

DHA/EPA for 3 or 4 days takes care of this.

Someone else in this thread mentioned nutrition, which is why I bring

it up as well. Getting off the toxic drugs, IMHO, should be one of

your priorities. If you do, follow up with a liver cleanse of:

Milk Thistle, Dandelion root, Artichoke, Turmeric for about 4 weeks

(cost is only about $40) This will get the toxins out of your system.

And if you can find a health professional who is more interested in

healing than in prescribing toxic drugs, you'll probably be better

off in the long run.

Just my .02 (I'm highly opinionated!)

Rhonda

[Guest guest]

> Here is everything I take meds and all.

> Phil

> ------------------------------------------------------------------

-------------------------------------------------------------

>

> Here are the meds I am on.

> ----------------------------------------------------

> Depo Testosterone 50 mgs. every 3 days.

> HCG 250 IU's the 2 days each in between my T. shots.

> Arimidex .5 mgs 1 x's /day.

> Concerta 36 mgs. 1 x's /day.

> Celebrex 200 mgs. 2 x's /day.

> Dyazide/Triamterne/ACTZ 37.5 mgs. & 25 mgs. 3 x's /week.

> Nasacort 2x's /day.

> Xanax .125 mgs. at bedtime.

> Singulair 10 mgs. 2 at bedtime.

> Cialis 20 mgs. every 3 days.

> Protonix 40 mgs. at dinner.

> Armour 2.75 grains.

> Cortef 5 mgs. 4 x's /day.

~~~Phil, my husband (age 56) has Rheumatoid Arthritis, and for about

3 or 4 years was on 3 different meds at one time. Slowly, without

his Rheumy's permission necessarily, he tapered off of the meds. At

the same time, we addressed our diets and a couple of times a year we

do a liver cleanse with supplements. The diet thing, I'd say has

made the most impact. We eat almost NO processed foods (what I call

phony phoods), we buy unprocessed raw milk (complete with ALL the

cream) direct from a farm nearby. We also buy from the same farm,

between the 2 of us, a minimum of 2 dozen eggs a week, most of which

are added to our morning fruit smoothie (the base is raw milk

kefir). We've eliminated 90% of the sugars in our diets. Those

changes started about 2 years ago. We've also added Cod Liver Oil

and various supplements - for him these include many anti-

inflammatories.

My husband has been completely off of all meds for about 6 or 7

months now. He does occasionally get a flare up, but extra Omega 3s,

DHA/EPA for 3 or 4 days takes care of this.

Someone else in this thread mentioned nutrition, which is why I bring

it up as well. Getting off the toxic drugs, IMHO, should be one of

your priorities. If you do, follow up with a liver cleanse of:

Milk Thistle, Dandelion root, Artichoke, Turmeric for about 4 weeks

(cost is only about $40) This will get the toxins out of your system.

And if you can find a health professional who is more interested in

healing than in prescribing toxic drugs, you'll probably be better

off in the long run.

Just my .02 (I'm highly opinionated!)

Rhonda

[Guest guest]

> Here is everything I take meds and all.

> Phil

> ------------------------------------------------------------------

-------------------------------------------------------------

>

> Here are the meds I am on.

> ----------------------------------------------------

> Depo Testosterone 50 mgs. every 3 days.

> HCG 250 IU's the 2 days each in between my T. shots.

> Arimidex .5 mgs 1 x's /day.

> Concerta 36 mgs. 1 x's /day.

> Celebrex 200 mgs. 2 x's /day.

> Dyazide/Triamterne/ACTZ 37.5 mgs. & 25 mgs. 3 x's /week.

> Nasacort 2x's /day.

> Xanax .125 mgs. at bedtime.

> Singulair 10 mgs. 2 at bedtime.

> Cialis 20 mgs. every 3 days.

> Protonix 40 mgs. at dinner.

> Armour 2.75 grains.

> Cortef 5 mgs. 4 x's /day.

~~~Phil, my husband (age 56) has Rheumatoid Arthritis, and for about

3 or 4 years was on 3 different meds at one time. Slowly, without

his Rheumy's permission necessarily, he tapered off of the meds. At

the same time, we addressed our diets and a couple of times a year we

do a liver cleanse with supplements. The diet thing, I'd say has

made the most impact. We eat almost NO processed foods (what I call

phony phoods), we buy unprocessed raw milk (complete with ALL the

cream) direct from a farm nearby. We also buy from the same farm,

between the 2 of us, a minimum of 2 dozen eggs a week, most of which

are added to our morning fruit smoothie (the base is raw milk

kefir). We've eliminated 90% of the sugars in our diets. Those

changes started about 2 years ago. We've also added Cod Liver Oil

and various supplements - for him these include many anti-

inflammatories.

My husband has been completely off of all meds for about 6 or 7

months now. He does occasionally get a flare up, but extra Omega 3s,

DHA/EPA for 3 or 4 days takes care of this.

Someone else in this thread mentioned nutrition, which is why I bring

it up as well. Getting off the toxic drugs, IMHO, should be one of

your priorities. If you do, follow up with a liver cleanse of:

Milk Thistle, Dandelion root, Artichoke, Turmeric for about 4 weeks

(cost is only about $40) This will get the toxins out of your system.

And if you can find a health professional who is more interested in

healing than in prescribing toxic drugs, you'll probably be better

off in the long run.

Just my .02 (I'm highly opinionated!)

Rhonda

[Guest guest]

Phil - I thought you need to take the highest dose of HC in the morning (10mg)

to reset your rhythm? That maybe could be why you're not feeling energetic.

Also, I have said this before, that I don't always feel well at 98.6. When I

increase my Armour I feel better, so I think Val may have a point about

increasing your Armour because your're not taking all that much to begin with.

philip georgian wrote:

Here is everything I take meds and all.

Phil

----------------------------------------------------------

Here are the meds I am on.

----------------------------------------------------

Depo Testosterone 50 mgs. every 3 days.

HCG 250 IU's the 2 days each in between my T. shots.

Arimidex .5 mgs 1 x's /day.

Concerta 36 mgs. 1 x's /day.

Celebrex 200 mgs. 2 x's /day.

Dyazide/Triamterne/ACTZ 37.5 mgs. & 25 mgs. 3 x's /week.

Nasacort 2x's /day.

Xanax .125 mgs. at bedtime.

Singulair 10 mgs. 2 at bedtime.

Cialis 20 mgs. every 3 days.

Protonix 40 mgs. at dinner.

Armour 2.75 grains.

Cortef 5 mgs. 4 x's /day.

Supplements

----------------------------------------------------

Black Current Seed Oil

http://www.myvitanet.com/blaccurseedo5.html

Fish Oil 3 x's /day.

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11071265 & whse=BC & topnav= & browse\

= & s=1

Super Bio C. 2 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/supbiocbuf36.html

Clinical Nutrients for 50-Plus Men 2 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/clinnutforse.html

Cranberry Plus every other day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/cranplustab9.html

DHEA 25 mgs. 1 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/dhea260capph.html

End Fatigue Daily Energy B Complex. 1 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/endfadaenbco.html

Arginine and l-Orthinine 1 at bedtime.

http://www.myvitanet.com/twinarcap100.html

Zinc & Copper 50 mgs./2 mgs. 1 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/zincop100cnt.html

Maca Power 1/2 tsb 2 x's /day.

http://www.macaweb.com/view.cfm/hurl/pid=1033/Maca-Powerreg--454g1-lbs-Raw-Maca-\

Powder

Irene wrote:

Phil,

What else are you doing to get nutrients into your body. Our body is a complex

machine and we have to have the proper nutrients for fuel. Armour and Cortef are

treating the disease, but your body needs proper nutrients to function properly.

Irene

> [Original Message]

>

> To: <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS >

> Date: 1/21/2007 12:28:49 PM

> Subject: Val I need your input.

>

> I am up to 2.75 grains of armour one in the morning before taking 10

> mgs of Cortef and one at noon before taking 5 mgs of cortef and .75

> mgs at dinner before taking 5 mgs of Cortef.

>

> My temps are between 98.5 and 98.7 for the last 20 days. I still

> feel very fatigued don't do much but sit here on the PC. I went to

> this dose of Armout 20 days ago and I am thinking I need to go up to

> 3 grains 15mgs more. I need to get past this dam fatigue I am

> wasting away here not getting much exercise. I try walking but feel

> so bad the rest of the day I don't do it. When I get up from my

> chair and walk into the other room I am shot of breath and my heart

> beats fast. This has been going on for over a yr. now. I was fine

> up till I got Bronchitis so bad last winter. When I started on HC

> and later added Armour I do feel much better before doing this I

> could not breathe at all. I feel doing the HC is keeping me from

> getting sick during winter I mean I would be sick with Bronchitis

> every winter.

>

> I so much want to get back to my old self and be able to walk out

> side this spring and work around the house. I think I am close but

> not the yet. What do you think more Armour.

> Thanks Phil

[Guest guest]

Phil - I thought you need to take the highest dose of HC in the morning (10mg)

to reset your rhythm? That maybe could be why you're not feeling energetic.

Also, I have said this before, that I don't always feel well at 98.6. When I

increase my Armour I feel better, so I think Val may have a point about

increasing your Armour because your're not taking all that much to begin with.

philip georgian wrote:

Here is everything I take meds and all.

Phil

----------------------------------------------------------

Here are the meds I am on.

----------------------------------------------------

Depo Testosterone 50 mgs. every 3 days.

HCG 250 IU's the 2 days each in between my T. shots.

Arimidex .5 mgs 1 x's /day.

Concerta 36 mgs. 1 x's /day.

Celebrex 200 mgs. 2 x's /day.

Dyazide/Triamterne/ACTZ 37.5 mgs. & 25 mgs. 3 x's /week.

Nasacort 2x's /day.

Xanax .125 mgs. at bedtime.

Singulair 10 mgs. 2 at bedtime.

Cialis 20 mgs. every 3 days.

Protonix 40 mgs. at dinner.

Armour 2.75 grains.

Cortef 5 mgs. 4 x's /day.

Supplements

----------------------------------------------------

Black Current Seed Oil

http://www.myvitanet.com/blaccurseedo5.html

Fish Oil 3 x's /day.

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11071265 & whse=BC & topnav= & browse\

= & s=1

Super Bio C. 2 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/supbiocbuf36.html

Clinical Nutrients for 50-Plus Men 2 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/clinnutforse.html

Cranberry Plus every other day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/cranplustab9.html

DHEA 25 mgs. 1 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/dhea260capph.html

End Fatigue Daily Energy B Complex. 1 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/endfadaenbco.html

Arginine and l-Orthinine 1 at bedtime.

http://www.myvitanet.com/twinarcap100.html

Zinc & Copper 50 mgs./2 mgs. 1 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/zincop100cnt.html

Maca Power 1/2 tsb 2 x's /day.

http://www.macaweb.com/view.cfm/hurl/pid=1033/Maca-Powerreg--454g1-lbs-Raw-Maca-\

Powder

Irene wrote:

Phil,

What else are you doing to get nutrients into your body. Our body is a complex

machine and we have to have the proper nutrients for fuel. Armour and Cortef are

treating the disease, but your body needs proper nutrients to function properly.

Irene

> [Original Message]

>

> To: <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS >

> Date: 1/21/2007 12:28:49 PM

> Subject: Val I need your input.

>

> I am up to 2.75 grains of armour one in the morning before taking 10

> mgs of Cortef and one at noon before taking 5 mgs of cortef and .75

> mgs at dinner before taking 5 mgs of Cortef.

>

> My temps are between 98.5 and 98.7 for the last 20 days. I still

> feel very fatigued don't do much but sit here on the PC. I went to

> this dose of Armout 20 days ago and I am thinking I need to go up to

> 3 grains 15mgs more. I need to get past this dam fatigue I am

> wasting away here not getting much exercise. I try walking but feel

> so bad the rest of the day I don't do it. When I get up from my

> chair and walk into the other room I am shot of breath and my heart

> beats fast. This has been going on for over a yr. now. I was fine

> up till I got Bronchitis so bad last winter. When I started on HC

> and later added Armour I do feel much better before doing this I

> could not breathe at all. I feel doing the HC is keeping me from

> getting sick during winter I mean I would be sick with Bronchitis

> every winter.

>

> I so much want to get back to my old self and be able to walk out

> side this spring and work around the house. I think I am close but

> not the yet. What do you think more Armour.

> Thanks Phil

[Guest guest]

Phil - I thought you need to take the highest dose of HC in the morning (10mg)

to reset your rhythm? That maybe could be why you're not feeling energetic.

Also, I have said this before, that I don't always feel well at 98.6. When I

increase my Armour I feel better, so I think Val may have a point about

increasing your Armour because your're not taking all that much to begin with.

philip georgian wrote:

Here is everything I take meds and all.

Phil

----------------------------------------------------------

Here are the meds I am on.

----------------------------------------------------

Depo Testosterone 50 mgs. every 3 days.

HCG 250 IU's the 2 days each in between my T. shots.

Arimidex .5 mgs 1 x's /day.

Concerta 36 mgs. 1 x's /day.

Celebrex 200 mgs. 2 x's /day.

Dyazide/Triamterne/ACTZ 37.5 mgs. & 25 mgs. 3 x's /week.

Nasacort 2x's /day.

Xanax .125 mgs. at bedtime.

Singulair 10 mgs. 2 at bedtime.

Cialis 20 mgs. every 3 days.

Protonix 40 mgs. at dinner.

Armour 2.75 grains.

Cortef 5 mgs. 4 x's /day.

Supplements

----------------------------------------------------

Black Current Seed Oil

http://www.myvitanet.com/blaccurseedo5.html

Fish Oil 3 x's /day.

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11071265 & whse=BC & topnav= & browse\

= & s=1

Super Bio C. 2 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/supbiocbuf36.html

Clinical Nutrients for 50-Plus Men 2 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/clinnutforse.html

Cranberry Plus every other day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/cranplustab9.html

DHEA 25 mgs. 1 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/dhea260capph.html

End Fatigue Daily Energy B Complex. 1 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/endfadaenbco.html

Arginine and l-Orthinine 1 at bedtime.

http://www.myvitanet.com/twinarcap100.html

Zinc & Copper 50 mgs./2 mgs. 1 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/zincop100cnt.html

Maca Power 1/2 tsb 2 x's /day.

http://www.macaweb.com/view.cfm/hurl/pid=1033/Maca-Powerreg--454g1-lbs-Raw-Maca-\

Powder

Irene wrote:

Phil,

What else are you doing to get nutrients into your body. Our body is a complex

machine and we have to have the proper nutrients for fuel. Armour and Cortef are

treating the disease, but your body needs proper nutrients to function properly.

Irene

> [Original Message]

>

> To: <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS >

> Date: 1/21/2007 12:28:49 PM

> Subject: Val I need your input.

>

> I am up to 2.75 grains of armour one in the morning before taking 10

> mgs of Cortef and one at noon before taking 5 mgs of cortef and .75

> mgs at dinner before taking 5 mgs of Cortef.

>

> My temps are between 98.5 and 98.7 for the last 20 days. I still

> feel very fatigued don't do much but sit here on the PC. I went to

> this dose of Armout 20 days ago and I am thinking I need to go up to

> 3 grains 15mgs more. I need to get past this dam fatigue I am

> wasting away here not getting much exercise. I try walking but feel

> so bad the rest of the day I don't do it. When I get up from my

> chair and walk into the other room I am shot of breath and my heart

> beats fast. This has been going on for over a yr. now. I was fine

> up till I got Bronchitis so bad last winter. When I started on HC

> and later added Armour I do feel much better before doing this I

> could not breathe at all. I feel doing the HC is keeping me from

> getting sick during winter I mean I would be sick with Bronchitis

> every winter.

>

> I so much want to get back to my old self and be able to walk out

> side this spring and work around the house. I think I am close but

> not the yet. What do you think more Armour.

> Thanks Phil

[Guest guest]

From what I have read doing more in the morning if you cortisol levels are very

low mine are very low first thing in the morning I have tried all kinds of ways

even went up to 30 mgs a day no difference this is what works the best so far.

I was adding more armour in the past by my Temps they go up when I add then

about 10 to 14 days they fall back some this was when I added more. Now that I

am over 2.5 grains my temps don't fall so fast and this time it's been over 3

weeks. So this is why I posted to Val.

Phil

wrote:

Phil - I thought you need to take the highest dose of HC in the

morning (10mg) to reset your rhythm? That maybe could be why you're not feeling

energetic. Also, I have said this before, that I don't always feel well at 98.6.

When I increase my Armour I feel better, so I think Val may have a point about

increasing your Armour because your're not taking all that much to begin with.

philip georgian wrote:

Here is everything I take meds and all.

Phil

----------------------------------------------------------

Here are the meds I am on.

----------------------------------------------------

Depo Testosterone 50 mgs. every 3 days.

HCG 250 IU's the 2 days each in between my T. shots.

Arimidex .5 mgs 1 x's /day.

Concerta 36 mgs. 1 x's /day.

Celebrex 200 mgs. 2 x's /day.

Dyazide/Triamterne/ACTZ 37.5 mgs. & 25 mgs. 3 x's /week.

Nasacort 2x's /day.

Xanax .125 mgs. at bedtime.

Singulair 10 mgs. 2 at bedtime.

Cialis 20 mgs. every 3 days.

Protonix 40 mgs. at dinner.

Armour 2.75 grains.

Cortef 5 mgs. 4 x's /day.

Supplements

----------------------------------------------------

Black Current Seed Oil

http://www.myvitanet.com/blaccurseedo5.html

Fish Oil 3 x's /day.

http://www.costco.com/Browse/Product.aspx?Prodid=11071265 & whse=BC & topnav= & browse\

= & s=1

Super Bio C. 2 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/supbiocbuf36.html

Clinical Nutrients for 50-Plus Men 2 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/clinnutforse.html

Cranberry Plus every other day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/cranplustab9.html

DHEA 25 mgs. 1 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/dhea260capph.html

End Fatigue Daily Energy B Complex. 1 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/endfadaenbco.html

Arginine and l-Orthinine 1 at bedtime.

http://www.myvitanet.com/twinarcap100.html

Zinc & Copper 50 mgs./2 mgs. 1 x's /day.

http://www.myvitanet.com/zincop100cnt.html

Maca Power 1/2 tsb 2 x's /day.

http://www.macaweb.com/view.cfm/hurl/pid=1033/Maca-Powerreg--454g1-lbs-Raw-Maca-\

Powder

Irene wrote:

Phil,

What else are you doing to get nutrients into your body. Our body is a complex

machine and we have to have the proper nutrients for fuel. Armour and Cortef are

treating the disease, but your body needs proper nutrients to function properly.

Irene

> [Original Message]

>

> To: <NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS >

> Date: 1/21/2007 12:28:49 PM

> Subject: Val I need your input.

>

> I am up to 2.75 grains of armour one in the morning before taking 10

> mgs of Cortef and one at noon before taking 5 mgs of cortef and .75

> mgs at dinner before taking 5 mgs of Cortef.

>

> My temps are between 98.5 and 98.7 for the last 20 days. I still

> feel very fatigued don't do much but sit here on the PC. I went to

> this dose of Armout 20 days ago and I am thinking I need to go up to

> 3 grains 15mgs more. I need to get past this dam fatigue I am

> wasting away here not getting much exercise. I try walking but feel

> so bad the rest of the day I don't do it. When I get up from my

> chair and walk into the other room I am shot of breath and my heart

> beats fast. This has been going on for over a yr. now. I was fine

> up till I got Bronchitis so bad last winter. When I started on HC

> and later added Armour I do feel much better before doing this I

> could not breathe at all. I feel doing the HC is keeping me from

> getting sick during winter I mean I would be sick with Bronchitis

> every winter.

>

> I so much want to get back to my old self and be able to walk out

> side this spring and work around the house. I think I am close but

> not the yet. What do you think more Armour.

> Thanks Phil

[Guest guest]

>

> I am up to 2.75 grains of armour one in the morning before taking 10

> mgs of Cortef and one at noon before taking 5 mgs of cortef and .75

> mgs at dinner before taking 5 mgs of Cortef.

>

>

Hi, Phil,

Just out of curiosity, why are you taking the HC AFTER the Armour?

Maybe you'd get more bang for the buck if you take the HC BEFORE or

WITH the Armour, since you need cortisol to let the thyroid into the

cells.

I take mine together & do just fine. But, I don't need to eat with my

HC, so it makes it easy. No stomach upset for me, so I pop the first

one first thing when I wake up, along with 2 grains of Nature-throid.

Warmly,

[Guest guest]

Well you need to take Armour with out food and HC with food. I have been

thinking of trying this but need to do my blood work first I never change

anything until after my blood work.

Phil

angesc2001 wrote:

>

> I am up to 2.75 grains of armour one in the morning before taking 10

> mgs of Cortef and one at noon before taking 5 mgs of cortef and .75

> mgs at dinner before taking 5 mgs of Cortef.

>

>

Hi, Phil,

Just out of curiosity, why are you taking the HC AFTER the Armour?

Maybe you'd get more bang for the buck if you take the HC BEFORE or

WITH the Armour, since you need cortisol to let the thyroid into the

cells.

I take mine together & do just fine. But, I don't need to eat with my

HC, so it makes it easy. No stomach upset for me, so I pop the first

one first thing when I wake up, along with 2 grains of Nature-throid.

Warmly,

---------------------------------

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[Guest guest]

But, if you're letting Armour dissolve in the mouth,

then isn't it okay to take with food, calcium, iron,

etc.???????

--- philip georgian wrote:

> Well you need to take Armour with out food and HC

> with food. I have been thinking of trying this but

> need to do my blood work first I never change

> anything until after my blood work.

> Phil

>

> angesc2001 wrote:

>

> >

> > I am up to 2.75 grains of armour one in the

> morning before taking 10

> > mgs of Cortef and one at noon before taking 5 mgs

> of cortef and .75

> > mgs at dinner before taking 5 mgs of Cortef.

> >

> >

> Hi, Phil,

>

> Just out of curiosity, why are you taking the HC

> AFTER the Armour?

> Maybe you'd get more bang for the buck if you take

> the HC BEFORE or

> WITH the Armour, since you need cortisol to let the

> thyroid into the

> cells.

>

> I take mine together & do just fine. But, I don't

> need to eat with my

> HC, so it makes it easy. No stomach upset for me, so

> I pop the first

> one first thing when I wake up, along with 2 grains

> of Nature-throid.

>

> Warmly,

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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