Guest guest Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 >>I still don't quite understand what ADRENAL SUPPRESSION means and if a non-addison's person (like me) who takes 15 mgs. of Cortef per day could find herself in adrenal crisis if she were to go without her cortef. So I guess I'm wondering if adrenal crisis only can happen to 's folks or if it could also have happened to someone like Val when she was taking 30 mgs. of Cortef per day if she had just suddenly stopped or if she had gotten into a car accident and became unconscious (would she have died from adrenal crisis).....<< No one knows exactly how much HC will totally shut down the adrenals. It is an individual thing and also depends too on how much actually m,akes it inot the system which depends on absprption and a number of other things. This is why there are no answers thta apply to all and such debate over this subject. I would say somepone on 30MG a dya (most people) if they werein an accident would be in serioous trouble wihtout additional cortiosl. To the point of death? Who knows? BUT the quantitative part of this equasion is WHY the perosn is on 30MG ... They generally need that mush when their adrenals are barely functioning at all. SO withotu HC they would most likely be in the same condition as their adrenals can;t supply the necessary extra cortisol for the situation. Now remember it took me all of 3 weeks to come off HC. All 30MGS of it. If it truly HAD shut my adrenals down, they would NOT have come back that quickly. So obviously FOR ME that was not a supressive dose. For someone with near perfectly functioning adrenals it most likely WOULD be a supressive dose. SOME of us NEED a supressive dose to reset our circadian rythyms to a more normal pattern., BUT Peatfield states that un;less supression ios VERY p[rolonged, the adrenals are still ab le to come back and function normally after supression. Now I am going to add one more thing to this post. Ya'll know how I feel on this subject as I have posted it SO many times I could write this in my sleep. IF you have that much doubts about using HC .. DON'T... But do not scare the folks that need it out of a med that can restore their lives. WHAT are your options if you have poor adrenal function and do NOT want to try HC? Go ahead.. name me some that WORK! I Challenge you! And if you end up with supressed adrenals and need HC for life, IF it gives oyu back your life, SO WHAT? Most of us need thyroid hormones for life, and I do nto feel this is ANY different. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 >>I still don't quite understand what ADRENAL SUPPRESSION means and if a non-addison's person (like me) who takes 15 mgs. of Cortef per day could find herself in adrenal crisis if she were to go without her cortef. So I guess I'm wondering if adrenal crisis only can happen to 's folks or if it could also have happened to someone like Val when she was taking 30 mgs. of Cortef per day if she had just suddenly stopped or if she had gotten into a car accident and became unconscious (would she have died from adrenal crisis).....<< No one knows exactly how much HC will totally shut down the adrenals. It is an individual thing and also depends too on how much actually m,akes it inot the system which depends on absprption and a number of other things. This is why there are no answers thta apply to all and such debate over this subject. I would say somepone on 30MG a dya (most people) if they werein an accident would be in serioous trouble wihtout additional cortiosl. To the point of death? Who knows? BUT the quantitative part of this equasion is WHY the perosn is on 30MG ... They generally need that mush when their adrenals are barely functioning at all. SO withotu HC they would most likely be in the same condition as their adrenals can;t supply the necessary extra cortisol for the situation. Now remember it took me all of 3 weeks to come off HC. All 30MGS of it. If it truly HAD shut my adrenals down, they would NOT have come back that quickly. So obviously FOR ME that was not a supressive dose. For someone with near perfectly functioning adrenals it most likely WOULD be a supressive dose. SOME of us NEED a supressive dose to reset our circadian rythyms to a more normal pattern., BUT Peatfield states that un;less supression ios VERY p[rolonged, the adrenals are still ab le to come back and function normally after supression. Now I am going to add one more thing to this post. Ya'll know how I feel on this subject as I have posted it SO many times I could write this in my sleep. IF you have that much doubts about using HC .. DON'T... But do not scare the folks that need it out of a med that can restore their lives. WHAT are your options if you have poor adrenal function and do NOT want to try HC? Go ahead.. name me some that WORK! I Challenge you! And if you end up with supressed adrenals and need HC for life, IF it gives oyu back your life, SO WHAT? Most of us need thyroid hormones for life, and I do nto feel this is ANY different. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 In addition to the effects listed above, use of high dose steroids for more than a week begins to produce suppression of the patient's adrenal glands because the exogenous glucocorticoids suppress hypothalamic corticotropin releasing hormone <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corticotropin_releasing_hormone> (CRH) and pituitary adrenocorticotropic hormone <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenocorticotropic_hormone> (ACTH). With prolonged suppression the adrenal glands atrophy (physically shrink) and can take months to recover full function after discontinuation of the exogenous glucocorticoid. During this recovery time, the patient is vulnerable to adrenal insufficiency <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenal_insufficiency> during times of stress, such as illness. While there is wide individual variation in suppressive dose and time for adrenal recovery, clinical guidelines have been devised to estimate potential adrenal suppression and recovery, to reduce risk to the patient. The following is one example, but many variations exist or may be appropriate in individual circumstances. * If a patient has been receiving daily high doses for 5 days or less, they can be abruptly stopped (or reduced to physiologic replacement if patient is adrenal deficient). Full adrenal recovery can be assumed to occur by a week afterward. * If high doses were used for 6-10 days, reduce to replacement dose immediately and taper over 4 more days. Adrenal recovery can be assumed to occur within 2-4 weeks of completion of steroids. * If high doses were used for 11-30 days, cut immediately to twice replacement, and then by 25% every 4 days. Stop entirely when dose is less than half of replacement. Full adrenal recovery should occur within 1-3 months of completion of withdrawal. * If high doses were used more than 30 days, cut dose immediately to twice replacement, and reduce by 25% each week until replacement is reached. * Then change to oral hydrocortisone or cortisone as a single morning dose, and gradually decrease by 2.5 mg each week. When a.m. dose is less than replacement, the return of normal basal adrenal function may be documented by checking 0800 cortisol levels prior to the morning dose; stop drugs when 0800 cortisol is 10 ?g/dl. It is difficult to predict the time to full adrenal recovery after prolonged suppressive exogenous steroids; some people may take nearly a year. * Flare-up of the underlying condition for which steroids are given may require a more gradual taper than outlined above. Now note ALL these statements are abotu HIGH dose replacement, and ALL state full recovery is to be expected! From this site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucocorticoid -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 In addition to the effects listed above, use of high dose steroids for more than a week begins to produce suppression of the patient's adrenal glands because the exogenous glucocorticoids suppress hypothalamic corticotropin releasing hormone <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corticotropin_releasing_hormone> (CRH) and pituitary adrenocorticotropic hormone <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenocorticotropic_hormone> (ACTH). With prolonged suppression the adrenal glands atrophy (physically shrink) and can take months to recover full function after discontinuation of the exogenous glucocorticoid. During this recovery time, the patient is vulnerable to adrenal insufficiency <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenal_insufficiency> during times of stress, such as illness. While there is wide individual variation in suppressive dose and time for adrenal recovery, clinical guidelines have been devised to estimate potential adrenal suppression and recovery, to reduce risk to the patient. The following is one example, but many variations exist or may be appropriate in individual circumstances. * If a patient has been receiving daily high doses for 5 days or less, they can be abruptly stopped (or reduced to physiologic replacement if patient is adrenal deficient). Full adrenal recovery can be assumed to occur by a week afterward. * If high doses were used for 6-10 days, reduce to replacement dose immediately and taper over 4 more days. Adrenal recovery can be assumed to occur within 2-4 weeks of completion of steroids. * If high doses were used for 11-30 days, cut immediately to twice replacement, and then by 25% every 4 days. Stop entirely when dose is less than half of replacement. Full adrenal recovery should occur within 1-3 months of completion of withdrawal. * If high doses were used more than 30 days, cut dose immediately to twice replacement, and reduce by 25% each week until replacement is reached. * Then change to oral hydrocortisone or cortisone as a single morning dose, and gradually decrease by 2.5 mg each week. When a.m. dose is less than replacement, the return of normal basal adrenal function may be documented by checking 0800 cortisol levels prior to the morning dose; stop drugs when 0800 cortisol is 10 ?g/dl. It is difficult to predict the time to full adrenal recovery after prolonged suppressive exogenous steroids; some people may take nearly a year. * Flare-up of the underlying condition for which steroids are given may require a more gradual taper than outlined above. Now note ALL these statements are abotu HIGH dose replacement, and ALL state full recovery is to be expected! From this site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucocorticoid -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 In addition to the effects listed above, use of high dose steroids for more than a week begins to produce suppression of the patient's adrenal glands because the exogenous glucocorticoids suppress hypothalamic corticotropin releasing hormone <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corticotropin_releasing_hormone> (CRH) and pituitary adrenocorticotropic hormone <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenocorticotropic_hormone> (ACTH). With prolonged suppression the adrenal glands atrophy (physically shrink) and can take months to recover full function after discontinuation of the exogenous glucocorticoid. During this recovery time, the patient is vulnerable to adrenal insufficiency <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adrenal_insufficiency> during times of stress, such as illness. While there is wide individual variation in suppressive dose and time for adrenal recovery, clinical guidelines have been devised to estimate potential adrenal suppression and recovery, to reduce risk to the patient. The following is one example, but many variations exist or may be appropriate in individual circumstances. * If a patient has been receiving daily high doses for 5 days or less, they can be abruptly stopped (or reduced to physiologic replacement if patient is adrenal deficient). Full adrenal recovery can be assumed to occur by a week afterward. * If high doses were used for 6-10 days, reduce to replacement dose immediately and taper over 4 more days. Adrenal recovery can be assumed to occur within 2-4 weeks of completion of steroids. * If high doses were used for 11-30 days, cut immediately to twice replacement, and then by 25% every 4 days. Stop entirely when dose is less than half of replacement. Full adrenal recovery should occur within 1-3 months of completion of withdrawal. * If high doses were used more than 30 days, cut dose immediately to twice replacement, and reduce by 25% each week until replacement is reached. * Then change to oral hydrocortisone or cortisone as a single morning dose, and gradually decrease by 2.5 mg each week. When a.m. dose is less than replacement, the return of normal basal adrenal function may be documented by checking 0800 cortisol levels prior to the morning dose; stop drugs when 0800 cortisol is 10 ?g/dl. It is difficult to predict the time to full adrenal recovery after prolonged suppressive exogenous steroids; some people may take nearly a year. * Flare-up of the underlying condition for which steroids are given may require a more gradual taper than outlined above. Now note ALL these statements are abotu HIGH dose replacement, and ALL state full recovery is to be expected! From this site: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glucocorticoid -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 Val, I have already resigned myself to the fact that I may very likely be on HC for life.....Although it's a bit difficult for people to " swallow " that they might have to take a pill for the rest of their life for their very survival, eventually they adjust. For me personally, I believe that I had serious adrenal insufficiency and I was barely functional before HC. HC has given me back my life no question in my mind. I've gone from a debilitated human being to a functional one because of HC. The doubts and fears are just part of questioning and trying to learn more about our situation and our options and our futures. I suppose my fear is no different than an insulin dependent person fearing finding themselves without insulin. I guess it just takes people time to adjust to these concepts and to accept them. I know that I am still in the learning phase about my adrenal insufficiency and what lies ahead for me. HC doesn't scare me, HC saved me!! Re: adrenal suppression >>I still don't quite understand what ADRENAL SUPPRESSION means and if a non-addison's person (like me) who takes 15 mgs. of Cortef per day could find herself in adrenal crisis if she were to go without her cortef. So I guess I'm wondering if adrenal crisis only can happen to 's folks or if it could also have happened to someone like Val when she was taking 30 mgs. of Cortef per day if she had just suddenly stopped or if she had gotten into a car accident and became unconscious (would she have died from adrenal crisis).....<< No one knows exactly how much HC will totally shut down the adrenals. It is an individual thing and also depends too on how much actually m,akes it inot the system which depends on absprption and a number of other things. This is why there are no answers thta apply to all and such debate over this subject. I would say somepone on 30MG a dya (most people) if they werein an accident would be in serioous trouble wihtout additional cortiosl. To the point of death? Who knows? BUT the quantitative part of this equasion is WHY the perosn is on 30MG ... They generally need that mush when their adrenals are barely functioning at all. SO withotu HC they would most likely be in the same condition as their adrenals can;t supply the necessary extra cortisol for the situation. Now remember it took me all of 3 weeks to come off HC. All 30MGS of it. If it truly HAD shut my adrenals down, they would NOT have come back that quickly. So obviously FOR ME that was not a supressive dose. For someone with near perfectly functioning adrenals it most likely WOULD be a supressive dose. SOME of us NEED a supressive dose to reset our circadian rythyms to a more normal pattern., BUT Peatfield states that un;less supression ios VERY p[rolonged, the adrenals are still ab le to come back and function normally after supression. Now I am going to add one more thing to this post. Ya'll know how I feel on this subject as I have posted it SO many times I could write this in my sleep. IF you have that much doubts about using HC .. DON'T... But do not scare the folks that need it out of a med that can restore their lives. WHAT are your options if you have poor adrenal function and do NOT want to try HC? Go ahead.. name me some that WORK! I Challenge you! And if you end up with supressed adrenals and need HC for life, IF it gives oyu back your life, SO WHAT? Most of us need thyroid hormones for life, and I do nto feel this is ANY different. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 I to feel I am on it for life. For the last 23 yrs my blood work has been for cortisol 6 to 9 on a morning blood test. Yet the Dr.'s always said I was in the normal range. Yet I suffered with bad fatigue and would get dam sick every winter all winter with Bronchitis. My thyroid was also low normal. This winter so far on HC and Armour I am doing very good. If it means doing this for Life it far better then being sick has hell every winter. Phil Gikas wrote: Val, I have already resigned myself to the fact that I may very likely be on HC for life.....Although it's a bit difficult for people to " swallow " that they might have to take a pill for the rest of their life for their very survival, eventually they adjust. For me personally, I believe that I had serious adrenal insufficiency and I was barely functional before HC. HC has given me back my life no question in my mind. I've gone from a debilitated human being to a functional one because of HC. The doubts and fears are just part of questioning and trying to learn more about our situation and our options and our futures. I suppose my fear is no different than an insulin dependent person fearing finding themselves without insulin. I guess it just takes people time to adjust to these concepts and to accept them. I know that I am still in the learning phase about my adrenal insufficiency and what lies ahead for me. HC doesn't scare me, HC saved me!! Re: adrenal suppression >>I still don't quite understand what ADRENAL SUPPRESSION means and if a non-addison's person (like me) who takes 15 mgs. of Cortef per day could find herself in adrenal crisis if she were to go without her cortef. So I guess I'm wondering if adrenal crisis only can happen to 's folks or if it could also have happened to someone like Val when she was taking 30 mgs. of Cortef per day if she had just suddenly stopped or if she had gotten into a car accident and became unconscious (would she have died from adrenal crisis).....<< No one knows exactly how much HC will totally shut down the adrenals. It is an individual thing and also depends too on how much actually m,akes it inot the system which depends on absprption and a number of other things. This is why there are no answers thta apply to all and such debate over this subject. I would say somepone on 30MG a dya (most people) if they werein an accident would be in serioous trouble wihtout additional cortiosl. To the point of death? Who knows? BUT the quantitative part of this equasion is WHY the perosn is on 30MG ... They generally need that mush when their adrenals are barely functioning at all. SO withotu HC they would most likely be in the same condition as their adrenals can;t supply the necessary extra cortisol for the situation. Now remember it took me all of 3 weeks to come off HC. All 30MGS of it. If it truly HAD shut my adrenals down, they would NOT have come back that quickly. So obviously FOR ME that was not a supressive dose. For someone with near perfectly functioning adrenals it most likely WOULD be a supressive dose. SOME of us NEED a supressive dose to reset our circadian rythyms to a more normal pattern., BUT Peatfield states that un;less supression ios VERY p[rolonged, the adrenals are still ab le to come back and function normally after supression. Now I am going to add one more thing to this post. Ya'll know how I feel on this subject as I have posted it SO many times I could write this in my sleep. IF you have that much doubts about using HC .. DON'T... But do not scare the folks that need it out of a med that can restore their lives. WHAT are your options if you have poor adrenal function and do NOT want to try HC? Go ahead.. name me some that WORK! I Challenge you! And if you end up with supressed adrenals and need HC for life, IF it gives oyu back your life, SO WHAT? Most of us need thyroid hormones for life, and I do nto feel this is ANY different. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 , I understand your fears, as I have the same ones. I've been on 20mgs of HC for about 5 months with little change. My am cortisol levels are still so low and I've trying to accept the fact that I will probably have to raise the dose to a level that even my holistic docs wouldn't support. But I will have to get over it, because I can't live at this barely functional level. SAMMIE --- Gikas wrote: > Val, > > I have already resigned myself to the fact that I > may very likely be on HC for life.....Although it's > a bit difficult for people to " swallow " that they > might have to take a pill for the rest of their life > for their very survival, eventually they adjust. > For me personally, I believe that I had serious > adrenal insufficiency and I was barely functional > before HC. HC has given me back my life no question > in my mind. I've gone from a debilitated human > being to a functional one because of HC. The doubts > and fears are just part of questioning and trying to > learn more about our situation and our options and > our futures. I suppose my fear is no different than > an insulin dependent person fearing finding > themselves without insulin. I guess it just takes > people time to adjust to these concepts and to > accept them. I know that I am still in the learning > phase about my adrenal insufficiency and what lies > ahead for me. HC doesn't scare me, HC saved me!! > > > Re: adrenal suppression > > > >>I still don't quite understand what ADRENAL > SUPPRESSION means and if a non-addison's person > (like me) who takes 15 mgs. of Cortef per day could > find herself in adrenal crisis if she were to go > without her cortef. So I guess I'm wondering if > adrenal crisis only can happen to 's folks or > if it could also have happened to someone like Val > when she was taking 30 mgs. of Cortef per day if she > had just suddenly stopped or if she had gotten into > a car accident and became unconscious (would she > have died from adrenal crisis).....<< > > No one knows exactly how much HC will totally shut > down the adrenals. It is an individual thing and > also depends too on how much actually m,akes it inot > the system which depends on absprption and a number > of other things. This is why there are no answers > thta apply to all and such debate over this subject. > I would say somepone on 30MG a dya (most people) if > they werein an accident would be in serioous trouble > wihtout additional cortiosl. To the point of death? > Who knows? BUT the quantitative part of this > equasion is WHY the perosn is on 30MG .. They > generally need that mush when their adrenals are > barely functioning at all. SO withotu HC they would > most likely be in the same condition as their > adrenals can;t supply the necessary extra cortisol > for the situation. > Now remember it took me all of 3 weeks to come off > HC. All 30MGS of it. If it truly HAD shut my > adrenals down, they would NOT have come back that > quickly. So obviously FOR ME that was not a > supressive dose. For someone with near perfectly > functioning adrenals it most likely WOULD be a > supressive dose. SOME of us NEED a supressive dose > to reset our circadian rythyms to a more normal > pattern., BUT Peatfield states that un;less > supression ios VERY p[rolonged, the adrenals are > still ab le to come back and function normally after > supression. > Now I am going to add one more thing to this post. > Ya'll know how I feel on this subject as I have > posted it SO many times I could write this in my > sleep. IF you have that much doubts about using HC > .. DON'T... But do not scare the folks that need it > out of a med that can restore their lives. WHAT are > your options if you have poor adrenal function and > do NOT want to try HC? Go ahead.. name me some that > WORK! I Challenge you! And if you end up with > supressed adrenals and need HC for life, IF it gives > oyu back your life, SO WHAT? Most of us need thyroid > hormones for life, and I do nto feel this is ANY > different. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) > http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 , I understand your fears, as I have the same ones. I've been on 20mgs of HC for about 5 months with little change. My am cortisol levels are still so low and I've trying to accept the fact that I will probably have to raise the dose to a level that even my holistic docs wouldn't support. But I will have to get over it, because I can't live at this barely functional level. SAMMIE --- Gikas wrote: > Val, > > I have already resigned myself to the fact that I > may very likely be on HC for life.....Although it's > a bit difficult for people to " swallow " that they > might have to take a pill for the rest of their life > for their very survival, eventually they adjust. > For me personally, I believe that I had serious > adrenal insufficiency and I was barely functional > before HC. HC has given me back my life no question > in my mind. I've gone from a debilitated human > being to a functional one because of HC. The doubts > and fears are just part of questioning and trying to > learn more about our situation and our options and > our futures. I suppose my fear is no different than > an insulin dependent person fearing finding > themselves without insulin. I guess it just takes > people time to adjust to these concepts and to > accept them. I know that I am still in the learning > phase about my adrenal insufficiency and what lies > ahead for me. HC doesn't scare me, HC saved me!! > > > Re: adrenal suppression > > > >>I still don't quite understand what ADRENAL > SUPPRESSION means and if a non-addison's person > (like me) who takes 15 mgs. of Cortef per day could > find herself in adrenal crisis if she were to go > without her cortef. So I guess I'm wondering if > adrenal crisis only can happen to 's folks or > if it could also have happened to someone like Val > when she was taking 30 mgs. of Cortef per day if she > had just suddenly stopped or if she had gotten into > a car accident and became unconscious (would she > have died from adrenal crisis).....<< > > No one knows exactly how much HC will totally shut > down the adrenals. It is an individual thing and > also depends too on how much actually m,akes it inot > the system which depends on absprption and a number > of other things. This is why there are no answers > thta apply to all and such debate over this subject. > I would say somepone on 30MG a dya (most people) if > they werein an accident would be in serioous trouble > wihtout additional cortiosl. To the point of death? > Who knows? BUT the quantitative part of this > equasion is WHY the perosn is on 30MG .. They > generally need that mush when their adrenals are > barely functioning at all. SO withotu HC they would > most likely be in the same condition as their > adrenals can;t supply the necessary extra cortisol > for the situation. > Now remember it took me all of 3 weeks to come off > HC. All 30MGS of it. If it truly HAD shut my > adrenals down, they would NOT have come back that > quickly. So obviously FOR ME that was not a > supressive dose. For someone with near perfectly > functioning adrenals it most likely WOULD be a > supressive dose. SOME of us NEED a supressive dose > to reset our circadian rythyms to a more normal > pattern., BUT Peatfield states that un;less > supression ios VERY p[rolonged, the adrenals are > still ab le to come back and function normally after > supression. > Now I am going to add one more thing to this post. > Ya'll know how I feel on this subject as I have > posted it SO many times I could write this in my > sleep. IF you have that much doubts about using HC > .. DON'T... But do not scare the folks that need it > out of a med that can restore their lives. WHAT are > your options if you have poor adrenal function and > do NOT want to try HC? Go ahead.. name me some that > WORK! I Challenge you! And if you end up with > supressed adrenals and need HC for life, IF it gives > oyu back your life, SO WHAT? Most of us need thyroid > hormones for life, and I do nto feel this is ANY > different. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) > http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 25, 2006 Report Share Posted December 25, 2006 , I understand your fears, as I have the same ones. I've been on 20mgs of HC for about 5 months with little change. My am cortisol levels are still so low and I've trying to accept the fact that I will probably have to raise the dose to a level that even my holistic docs wouldn't support. But I will have to get over it, because I can't live at this barely functional level. SAMMIE --- Gikas wrote: > Val, > > I have already resigned myself to the fact that I > may very likely be on HC for life.....Although it's > a bit difficult for people to " swallow " that they > might have to take a pill for the rest of their life > for their very survival, eventually they adjust. > For me personally, I believe that I had serious > adrenal insufficiency and I was barely functional > before HC. HC has given me back my life no question > in my mind. I've gone from a debilitated human > being to a functional one because of HC. The doubts > and fears are just part of questioning and trying to > learn more about our situation and our options and > our futures. I suppose my fear is no different than > an insulin dependent person fearing finding > themselves without insulin. I guess it just takes > people time to adjust to these concepts and to > accept them. I know that I am still in the learning > phase about my adrenal insufficiency and what lies > ahead for me. HC doesn't scare me, HC saved me!! > > > Re: adrenal suppression > > > >>I still don't quite understand what ADRENAL > SUPPRESSION means and if a non-addison's person > (like me) who takes 15 mgs. of Cortef per day could > find herself in adrenal crisis if she were to go > without her cortef. So I guess I'm wondering if > adrenal crisis only can happen to 's folks or > if it could also have happened to someone like Val > when she was taking 30 mgs. of Cortef per day if she > had just suddenly stopped or if she had gotten into > a car accident and became unconscious (would she > have died from adrenal crisis).....<< > > No one knows exactly how much HC will totally shut > down the adrenals. It is an individual thing and > also depends too on how much actually m,akes it inot > the system which depends on absprption and a number > of other things. This is why there are no answers > thta apply to all and such debate over this subject. > I would say somepone on 30MG a dya (most people) if > they werein an accident would be in serioous trouble > wihtout additional cortiosl. To the point of death? > Who knows? BUT the quantitative part of this > equasion is WHY the perosn is on 30MG .. They > generally need that mush when their adrenals are > barely functioning at all. SO withotu HC they would > most likely be in the same condition as their > adrenals can;t supply the necessary extra cortisol > for the situation. > Now remember it took me all of 3 weeks to come off > HC. All 30MGS of it. If it truly HAD shut my > adrenals down, they would NOT have come back that > quickly. So obviously FOR ME that was not a > supressive dose. For someone with near perfectly > functioning adrenals it most likely WOULD be a > supressive dose. SOME of us NEED a supressive dose > to reset our circadian rythyms to a more normal > pattern., BUT Peatfield states that un;less > supression ios VERY p[rolonged, the adrenals are > still ab le to come back and function normally after > supression. > Now I am going to add one more thing to this post. > Ya'll know how I feel on this subject as I have > posted it SO many times I could write this in my > sleep. IF you have that much doubts about using HC > .. DON'T... But do not scare the folks that need it > out of a med that can restore their lives. WHAT are > your options if you have poor adrenal function and > do NOT want to try HC? Go ahead.. name me some that > WORK! I Challenge you! And if you end up with > supressed adrenals and need HC for life, IF it gives > oyu back your life, SO WHAT? Most of us need thyroid > hormones for life, and I do nto feel this is ANY > different. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) > http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > __________________________________________________ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Phil, I was sick every year for 9 years with bronchitis and sometimes pneumonia. After 9 years it stopped being an issue every winter, and this was definitely without adrenal support. I just started on adrenal support last September - 2006. Bronchitis hasn't had any effect on my life now for several years. I am still wondering why it stopped - grateful it did as my life was miserable for 8 months out of the year, but still curious as to why it stopped so suddenly. C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Phil, I was sick every year for 9 years with bronchitis and sometimes pneumonia. After 9 years it stopped being an issue every winter, and this was definitely without adrenal support. I just started on adrenal support last September - 2006. Bronchitis hasn't had any effect on my life now for several years. I am still wondering why it stopped - grateful it did as my life was miserable for 8 months out of the year, but still curious as to why it stopped so suddenly. C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Phil, I was sick every year for 9 years with bronchitis and sometimes pneumonia. After 9 years it stopped being an issue every winter, and this was definitely without adrenal support. I just started on adrenal support last September - 2006. Bronchitis hasn't had any effect on my life now for several years. I am still wondering why it stopped - grateful it did as my life was miserable for 8 months out of the year, but still curious as to why it stopped so suddenly. C. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 My bronchitis was caused by hypothyroid, and has gone with proper thyroid replacement. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 My bronchitis was caused by hypothyroid, and has gone with proper thyroid replacement. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 What is a good dose of armour to start? My daughter's doctor told her 30 mg. It seems like everyone here is taking 2, 3, etc. grains. Are grains the same as mg? > > My bronchitis was caused by hypothyroid, and has gone with proper > thyroid replacement. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) > http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 What is a good dose of armour to start? My daughter's doctor told her 30 mg. It seems like everyone here is taking 2, 3, etc. grains. Are grains the same as mg? > > My bronchitis was caused by hypothyroid, and has gone with proper > thyroid replacement. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) > http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 What is a good dose of armour to start? My daughter's doctor told her 30 mg. It seems like everyone here is taking 2, 3, etc. grains. Are grains the same as mg? > > My bronchitis was caused by hypothyroid, and has gone with proper > thyroid replacement. > > -- > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV > My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) > http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ > http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 1 grain is 60mg, so your daughter is taking half a grain Lynda Re: adrenal suppression > What is a good dose of armour to start? My daughter's doctor told > her > 30 mg. It seems like everyone here is taking 2, 3, etc. grains. > Are > grains the same as mg? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 1 grain is 60mg, so your daughter is taking half a grain Lynda Re: adrenal suppression > What is a good dose of armour to start? My daughter's doctor told > her > 30 mg. It seems like everyone here is taking 2, 3, etc. grains. > Are > grains the same as mg? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 >>What is a good dose of armour to start? My daughter's doctor told her 30 mg. It seems like everyone here is taking 2, 3, etc. grains. Are grains the same as mg?<< Each grain of Armour is equal to 60MG. 30MG is a good dose to start with especially if there is any sign of adrenal prblems. But thta dose is too low to hold more than a couple weeks and she should increase by 15-30MG every week or two till she gets to 3 grains thewn slow the dose raises way down to 15MG every 6-8 weeks till she feel well. With adrneal fatigue it may be necessary to go even slower with dose raises. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 >>What is a good dose of armour to start? My daughter's doctor told her 30 mg. It seems like everyone here is taking 2, 3, etc. grains. Are grains the same as mg?<< Each grain of Armour is equal to 60MG. 30MG is a good dose to start with especially if there is any sign of adrenal prblems. But thta dose is too low to hold more than a couple weeks and she should increase by 15-30MG every week or two till she gets to 3 grains thewn slow the dose raises way down to 15MG every 6-8 weeks till she feel well. With adrneal fatigue it may be necessary to go even slower with dose raises. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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