Re: - Val & Anyone - Thyroid And/Or Costrisol dose increase?????

December 29, 2006

Hi Sammie you should start taking your temps after your up 3 hrs. then every 3

hrs after that. I use this to take my Temp it takes 5 mins. but is very

acturate.

http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/Products/Thermometer.htm

I understand they sell one like this at Wal-Greens and Wal-Mart for a little

less money.

Are you charting your temps and following this link.

http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions

Just by looking at your temps your up and down this may mean you need a higher

dose of HC. When my temps are stable from day to day this is when I add more

Armour but I only go up 15mgs at a time. As soon as I add this my temps go up

and stay up for about 2 weeks then start falling back so this is when I add more

armour.

Phil

Sammie Baker wrote:

Hi Everyone

I apologize in advance for the long post.

I wanted to get some insight on how to increase my

dose of meds. I really feel like I need to increase

both my cortisol and thyroid meds. Currently I'm on

20mgs of cortisol and 3 1/4 grains of thyroid-s. I've

been on this dose of cortisol for about 5-6 months. I

really dont feel any better at all. I started out on

2 1/4 grains of thyroid meds and have added another

grain since taking the cortisol. Also, when I start

my period, I have to stress dose with double my

thyroid meds - but usually that doesn't even cure the

migraine and fatigue I get on the day or two before my

period starts. This is a NEW issue that only started

when I began taking cortisol. (good times.) Val has

said this is due to cortisol using up thyroid meds,

which makes sense.

But my issues still remain. Terrible fatigue in the

am, so I'm assuming my cortisol is still low in the

morning, and gets high at nighttime, making going to

bed before 2am, nearly impossible. I've been out of

work for the last 3 months and have been able to sleep

in until 10am, which has really helped. But

financially I had to go back to work and I know that I

really am not ready. And frankly, I'm tired of all

this. I need to figure out my proper dosing so I can

get my life back! I spend 90% of my life resting,

with headaches, moving very little from my couch,

especially if I get up before 10am, which I will have

to do now that I'm working again. Low carbs and lack

of caffeine make me feel much worse. I know that this

isnt supposed to make things worse, but without it

sometimes I can't lift my head.

I've been tracking my temps for the last week and this

is what I've recorded. Since there is such a variance

of my temps between thermometer, I've recorded with

two different types - Lumiscope/Quick Read and

Bestmed. I have no idea which is correct, but

ironically, they almost mirror eachother on the

variances, but differ on the actual number. (so

frustrating.....) I also should point out that I took

my first temp at 8am, which is the time I SHOULD be

waking up. BUT, I haven't been getting out of bed

until 10am. (I set the alarm and then record my temp

- then go back to bed.) So I record it again at 10am,

which is my actual waking time. I had this week off

from work, and thus was able to sleep in.

I look forward to any insight on what I can do next.

Though it may appear that I'm just HypoT, I really

feel like the horrible am fatigue and high energy at

nighttime is from my adrenal issues, but I'm so

desperate that if someone told me eating cow dung

would make me feel normal and give me my body back,

I'd try it.

Thanks in advance for all insight and help. My temps

and daily averages are below.

TEMPS

12/25

Lumiscope - 8am = 97.0, 11am = 97.9, 1pm = 98.1, 4pm =

98.3, 7pm = 98.3 - AVG = 97.92

Bestmed - 8am = ?, 11am = 97.5, 1pm = 97.7, 4pm =

97.9, 7pm = 97.7 - AVG = 97.7

12/26

Lumiscope - 8am = 97.7, 11am = 98.2, 2pm = 98.1 - AVG

= 98

Bestmed - 8am = 97.1, 11am = 97.7, 2pm = 97.8 - AVG =

97.53

12/27

Lumiscope - 8am = 97.5, 11am - 98.1, 2 = 98.5, 5 =

97.8 - AVG = 97.975

Bestmed - 8am = 96.8, 11am = 97.7, 2 = 97.9, 5 = 97.4

- AVG = 97.45

12/28

Lumiscope - 9:30am = 97.9, 12:30 = 98.3 - AVG = 98.1

(forgot to take temp later in the day)

Bestmed - 9:30am - 97.6, 12:30 = 97.7 - AVG = 97.65

12/29

Lumiscope - 8am = 97.9, 10 = 97.8, 1 = 97.9, 4 = 98.4

-AVG = 98

Bestmed - 8am = 97.4, 10 = 97.4, 1 = 97.4, 4 = 97.4 -

AVG = 97.4

__________________________________________________

December 29, 2006

Phil-

I have that thermometer too, but it always says that

I'm 98.6 no matter what, so I don't think it's

reliable. Maybe I got a bad one. Then again I have

two of them.

I did my best to take my temp every three hours, and

most days I did so. It's not an easy task to remember

this while living a life, remembering not to drink

fluids or get your heart rate up before taking your

temp. That's why I waited until I was on vacation and

had several days to do so in a row.

I don't understand the graph at all, which is why I

asked the questions here. I've done the math and done

the averages. Now I need to know when to increase my

thyroid and adrenal meds.

Thanks

SAMMIE

--- philip georgian wrote:

> Hi Sammie you should start taking your temps after

> your up 3 hrs. then every 3 hrs after that. I use

> this to take my Temp it takes 5 mins. but is very

> acturate.

>

http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/Products/Thermometer.htm

> I understand they sell one like this at Wal-Greens

> and Wal-Mart for a little less money.

> Are you charting your temps and following this

> link.

> http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions

> Just by looking at your temps your up and down

> this may mean you need a higher dose of HC. When my

> temps are stable from day to day this is when I add

> more Armour but I only go up 15mgs at a time. As

> soon as I add this my temps go up and stay up for

> about 2 weeks then start falling back so this is

> when I add more armour.

> Phil

>

> Sammie Baker wrote:

> Hi Everyone

>

> I apologize in advance for the long post.

>

> I wanted to get some insight on how to increase my

> dose of meds. I really feel like I need to increase

> both my cortisol and thyroid meds. Currently I'm on

> 20mgs of cortisol and 3 1/4 grains of thyroid-s.

> I've

> been on this dose of cortisol for about 5-6 months.

> I

> really dont feel any better at all. I started out on

> 2 1/4 grains of thyroid meds and have added another

> grain since taking the cortisol. Also, when I start

> my period, I have to stress dose with double my

> thyroid meds - but usually that doesn't even cure

> the

> migraine and fatigue I get on the day or two before

> my

> period starts. This is a NEW issue that only started

> when I began taking cortisol. (good times.) Val has

> said this is due to cortisol using up thyroid meds,

> which makes sense.

>

> But my issues still remain. Terrible fatigue in the

> am, so I'm assuming my cortisol is still low in the

> morning, and gets high at nighttime, making going to

> bed before 2am, nearly impossible. I've been out of

> work for the last 3 months and have been able to

> sleep

> in until 10am, which has really helped. But

> financially I had to go back to work and I know that

> I

> really am not ready. And frankly, I'm tired of all

> this. I need to figure out my proper dosing so I can

> get my life back! I spend 90% of my life resting,

> with headaches, moving very little from my couch,

> especially if I get up before 10am, which I will

> have

> to do now that I'm working again. Low carbs and lack

> of caffeine make me feel much worse. I know that

> this

> isnt supposed to make things worse, but without it

> sometimes I can't lift my head.

>

> I've been tracking my temps for the last week and

> this

> is what I've recorded. Since there is such a

> variance

> of my temps between thermometer, I've recorded with

> two different types - Lumiscope/Quick Read and

> Bestmed. I have no idea which is correct, but

> ironically, they almost mirror eachother on the

> variances, but differ on the actual number. (so

> frustrating.....) I also should point out that I

> took

> my first temp at 8am, which is the time I SHOULD be

> waking up. BUT, I haven't been getting out of bed

> until 10am. (I set the alarm and then record my temp

> - then go back to bed.) So I record it again at

> 10am,

> which is my actual waking time. I had this week off

> from work, and thus was able to sleep in.

>

> I look forward to any insight on what I can do next.

>

> Though it may appear that I'm just HypoT, I really

> feel like the horrible am fatigue and high energy at

> nighttime is from my adrenal issues, but I'm so

> desperate that if someone told me eating cow dung

> would make me feel normal and give me my body back,

> I'd try it.

>

> Thanks in advance for all insight and help. My temps

> and daily averages are below.

>

> TEMPS

>

> 12/25

>

> Lumiscope - 8am = 97.0, 11am = 97.9, 1pm = 98.1, 4pm

> =

> 98.3, 7pm = 98.3 - AVG = 97.92

>

> Bestmed - 8am = ?, 11am = 97.5, 1pm = 97.7, 4pm =

> 97.9, 7pm = 97.7 - AVG = 97.7

>

> 12/26

>

> Lumiscope - 8am = 97.7, 11am = 98.2, 2pm = 98.1 -

> AVG

> = 98

>

> Bestmed - 8am = 97.1, 11am = 97.7, 2pm = 97.8 - AVG

> =

> 97.53

>

> 12/27

>

> Lumiscope - 8am = 97.5, 11am - 98.1, 2 = 98.5, 5 =

> 97.8 - AVG = 97.975

>

> Bestmed - 8am = 96.8, 11am = 97.7, 2 = 97.9, 5 =

> 97.4

> - AVG = 97.45

>

> 12/28

>

> Lumiscope - 9:30am = 97.9, 12:30 = 98.3 - AVG = 98.1

> (forgot to take temp later in the day)

>

> Bestmed - 9:30am - 97.6, 12:30 = 97.7 - AVG = 97.65

>

> 12/29

>

> Lumiscope - 8am = 97.9, 10 = 97.8, 1 = 97.9, 4 =

> 98.4

> -AVG = 98

>

> Bestmed - 8am = 97.4, 10 = 97.4, 1 = 97.4, 4 = 97.4

> -

> AVG = 97.4

>

> __________________________________________________

>

December 29, 2006

Sammie you are recording the wrong temps. You need to wait till you are

awake three hours. Then take your temp and then in another tthree hours

and another three hours. then only look at the average with those three.

ONE thermometer. I prefer mercury, but if this is what you have chosen

it will still tell you fluctuations which is what we are concerned with.

I can;t tell from the temps you have so far.

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December 30, 2006

Sammie

you say you have to stress dose with thyroid meds, have you tried

stress dosing with h/c?

Lynda

- Val & Anyone - Thyroid And/Or Costrisol dose

increase?????

> Also, when I start

> my period, I have to stress dose with double my

> thyroid meds - but usually that doesn't even cure the

> migraine and fatigue I get on the day or two before my

> period starts. This is a NEW issue that only started

> when I began taking cortisol. (good times.) Val has

> said this is due to cortisol using up thyroid meds,

> which makes sense.

>

December 30, 2006

Can you shake down the thermometer you have if you can should be good.

Phil

Sammie Baker wrote:

Phil-

I have that thermometer too, but it always says that

I'm 98.6 no matter what, so I don't think it's

reliable. Maybe I got a bad one. Then again I have

two of them.

I did my best to take my temp every three hours, and

most days I did so. It's not an easy task to remember

this while living a life, remembering not to drink

fluids or get your heart rate up before taking your

temp. That's why I waited until I was on vacation and

had several days to do so in a row.

I don't understand the graph at all, which is why I

asked the questions here. I've done the math and done

the averages. Now I need to know when to increase my

thyroid and adrenal meds.

Thanks

SAMMIE

--- philip georgian wrote:

> Hi Sammie you should start taking your temps after

> your up 3 hrs. then every 3 hrs after that. I use

> this to take my Temp it takes 5 mins. but is very

> acturate.

>

http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/Products/Thermometer.htm

> I understand they sell one like this at Wal-Greens

> and Wal-Mart for a little less money.

> Are you charting your temps and following this

> link.

> http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions

> Just by looking at your temps your up and down

> this may mean you need a higher dose of HC. When my

> temps are stable from day to day this is when I add

> more Armour but I only go up 15mgs at a time. As

> soon as I add this my temps go up and stay up for

> about 2 weeks then start falling back so this is

> when I add more armour.

> Phil

>

> Sammie Baker wrote:

> Hi Everyone

>

> I apologize in advance for the long post.

>

> I wanted to get some insight on how to increase my

> dose of meds. I really feel like I need to increase

> both my cortisol and thyroid meds. Currently I'm on

> 20mgs of cortisol and 3 1/4 grains of thyroid-s.

> I've

> been on this dose of cortisol for about 5-6 months.

> I

> really dont feel any better at all. I started out on

> 2 1/4 grains of thyroid meds and have added another

> grain since taking the cortisol. Also, when I start

> my period, I have to stress dose with double my

> thyroid meds - but usually that doesn't even cure

> the

> migraine and fatigue I get on the day or two before

> my

> period starts. This is a NEW issue that only started

> when I began taking cortisol. (good times.) Val has

> said this is due to cortisol using up thyroid meds,

> which makes sense.

>

> But my issues still remain. Terrible fatigue in the

> am, so I'm assuming my cortisol is still low in the

> morning, and gets high at nighttime, making going to

> bed before 2am, nearly impossible. I've been out of

> work for the last 3 months and have been able to

> sleep

> in until 10am, which has really helped. But

> financially I had to go back to work and I know that

> I

> really am not ready. And frankly, I'm tired of all

> this. I need to figure out my proper dosing so I can

> get my life back! I spend 90% of my life resting,

> with headaches, moving very little from my couch,

> especially if I get up before 10am, which I will

> have

> to do now that I'm working again. Low carbs and lack

> of caffeine make me feel much worse. I know that

> this

> isnt supposed to make things worse, but without it

> sometimes I can't lift my head.

>

> I've been tracking my temps for the last week and

> this

> is what I've recorded. Since there is such a

> variance

> of my temps between thermometer, I've recorded with

> two different types - Lumiscope/Quick Read and

> Bestmed. I have no idea which is correct, but

> ironically, they almost mirror eachother on the

> variances, but differ on the actual number. (so

> frustrating.....) I also should point out that I

> took

> my first temp at 8am, which is the time I SHOULD be

> waking up. BUT, I haven't been getting out of bed

> until 10am. (I set the alarm and then record my temp

> - then go back to bed.) So I record it again at

> 10am,

> which is my actual waking time. I had this week off

> from work, and thus was able to sleep in.

>

> I look forward to any insight on what I can do next.

>

> Though it may appear that I'm just HypoT, I really

> feel like the horrible am fatigue and high energy at

> nighttime is from my adrenal issues, but I'm so

> desperate that if someone told me eating cow dung

> would make me feel normal and give me my body back,

> I'd try it.

>

> Thanks in advance for all insight and help. My temps

> and daily averages are below.

>

> TEMPS

>

> 12/25

>

> Lumiscope - 8am = 97.0, 11am = 97.9, 1pm = 98.1, 4pm

> =

> 98.3, 7pm = 98.3 - AVG = 97.92

>

> Bestmed - 8am = ?, 11am = 97.5, 1pm = 97.7, 4pm =

> 97.9, 7pm = 97.7 - AVG = 97.7

>

> 12/26

>

> Lumiscope - 8am = 97.7, 11am = 98.2, 2pm = 98.1 -

> AVG

> = 98

>

> Bestmed - 8am = 97.1, 11am = 97.7, 2pm = 97.8 - AVG

> =

> 97.53

>

> 12/27

>

> Lumiscope - 8am = 97.5, 11am - 98.1, 2 = 98.5, 5 =

> 97.8 - AVG = 97.975

>

> Bestmed - 8am = 96.8, 11am = 97.7, 2 = 97.9, 5 =

> 97.4

> - AVG = 97.45

>

> 12/28

>

> Lumiscope - 9:30am = 97.9, 12:30 = 98.3 - AVG = 98.1

> (forgot to take temp later in the day)

>

> Bestmed - 9:30am - 97.6, 12:30 = 97.7 - AVG = 97.65

>

> 12/29

>

> Lumiscope - 8am = 97.9, 10 = 97.8, 1 = 97.9, 4 =

> 98.4

> -AVG = 98

>

> Bestmed - 8am = 97.4, 10 = 97.4, 1 = 97.4, 4 = 97.4

> -

> AVG = 97.4

>

> __________________________________________________

>

December 30, 2006

Yes, when I'm sick (flu. cold) I stress dose with HC.

But per Val's suggestion, when I'm headachy and

fatigued on the day my period starts, I stress dosed

with thyroid meds.

SAMMIE

--- Lynda wrote:

> Sammie

> you say you have to stress dose with thyroid meds,

> have you tried

> stress dosing with h/c?

> Lynda

>

> - Val & Anyone - Thyroid

> And/Or Costrisol dose

> increase?????

>

> > Also, when I start

> > my period, I have to stress dose with double my

> > thyroid meds - but usually that doesn't even cure

> the

> > migraine and fatigue I get on the day or two

> before my

> > period starts. This is a NEW issue that only

> started

> > when I began taking cortisol. (good times.) Val

> has

> > said this is due to cortisol using up thyroid

> meds,

> > which makes sense.

> >

>

__________________________________________________

December 30, 2006

Yes, when I'm sick (flu. cold) I stress dose with HC.

But per Val's suggestion, when I'm headachy and

fatigued on the day my period starts, I stress dosed

with thyroid meds.

SAMMIE

--- Lynda wrote:

> Sammie

> you say you have to stress dose with thyroid meds,

> have you tried

> stress dosing with h/c?

> Lynda

>

> - Val & Anyone - Thyroid

> And/Or Costrisol dose

> increase?????

>

> > Also, when I start

> > my period, I have to stress dose with double my

> > thyroid meds - but usually that doesn't even cure

> the

> > migraine and fatigue I get on the day or two

> before my

> > period starts. This is a NEW issue that only

> started

> > when I began taking cortisol. (good times.) Val

> has

> > said this is due to cortisol using up thyroid

> meds,

> > which makes sense.

> >

>

__________________________________________________

December 30, 2006

Phil -

The lumiscope is the one adviced to have by dr rind.

So I think I'm good. I know all about shaking down

thermometers.

SAMMIE

--- philip georgian wrote:

> Can you shake down the thermometer you have if you

> can should be good.

> Phil

>

> Sammie Baker wrote:

> Phil-

>

> I have that thermometer too, but it always says that

> I'm 98.6 no matter what, so I don't think it's

> reliable. Maybe I got a bad one. Then again I have

> two of them.

>

> I did my best to take my temp every three hours, and

> most days I did so. It's not an easy task to

> remember

> this while living a life, remembering not to drink

> fluids or get your heart rate up before taking your

> temp. That's why I waited until I was on vacation

> and

> had several days to do so in a row.

>

> I don't understand the graph at all, which is why I

> asked the questions here. I've done the math and

> done

> the averages. Now I need to know when to increase my

> thyroid and adrenal meds.

>

> Thanks

>

> SAMMIE

>

> --- philip georgian wrote:

>

> > Hi Sammie you should start taking your temps after

> > your up 3 hrs. then every 3 hrs after that. I use

> > this to take my Temp it takes 5 mins. but is very

> > acturate.

> >

>

http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/Products/Thermometer.htm

> > I understand they sell one like this at Wal-Greens

> > and Wal-Mart for a little less money.

> > Are you charting your temps and following this

> > link.

> > http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions

> > Just by looking at your temps your up and down

> > this may mean you need a higher dose of HC. When

> my

> > temps are stable from day to day this is when I

> add

> > more Armour but I only go up 15mgs at a time. As

> > soon as I add this my temps go up and stay up for

> > about 2 weeks then start falling back so this is

> > when I add more armour.

> > Phil

> >

> > Sammie Baker wrote:

> > Hi Everyone

> >

> > I apologize in advance for the long post.

> >

> > I wanted to get some insight on how to increase my

> > dose of meds. I really feel like I need to

> increase

> > both my cortisol and thyroid meds. Currently I'm

> on

> > 20mgs of cortisol and 3 1/4 grains of thyroid-s.

> > I've

> > been on this dose of cortisol for about 5-6

> months.

> > I

> > really dont feel any better at all. I started out

> on

> > 2 1/4 grains of thyroid meds and have added

> another

> > grain since taking the cortisol. Also, when I

> start

> > my period, I have to stress dose with double my

> > thyroid meds - but usually that doesn't even cure

> > the

> > migraine and fatigue I get on the day or two

> before

> > my

> > period starts. This is a NEW issue that only

> started

> > when I began taking cortisol. (good times.) Val

> has

> > said this is due to cortisol using up thyroid

> meds,

> > which makes sense.

> >

> > But my issues still remain. Terrible fatigue in

> the

> > am, so I'm assuming my cortisol is still low in

> the

> > morning, and gets high at nighttime, making going

> to

> > bed before 2am, nearly impossible. I've been out

> of

> > work for the last 3 months and have been able to

> > sleep

> > in until 10am, which has really helped. But

> > financially I had to go back to work and I know

> that

> > I

> > really am not ready. And frankly, I'm tired of all

> > this. I need to figure out my proper dosing so I

> can

> > get my life back! I spend 90% of my life resting,

> > with headaches, moving very little from my couch,

> > especially if I get up before 10am, which I will

> > have

> > to do now that I'm working again. Low carbs and

> lack

> > of caffeine make me feel much worse. I know that

> > this

> > isnt supposed to make things worse, but without it

> > sometimes I can't lift my head.

> >

> > I've been tracking my temps for the last week and

> > this

> > is what I've recorded. Since there is such a

> > variance

> > of my temps between thermometer, I've recorded

> with

> > two different types - Lumiscope/Quick Read and

> > Bestmed. I have no idea which is correct, but

> > ironically, they almost mirror eachother on the

> > variances, but differ on the actual number. (so

> > frustrating.....) I also should point out that I

> > took

> > my first temp at 8am, which is the time I SHOULD

> be

> > waking up. BUT, I haven't been getting out of bed

> > until 10am. (I set the alarm and then record my

> temp

> > - then go back to bed.) So I record it again at

> > 10am,

> > which is my actual waking time. I had this week

> off

> > from work, and thus was able to sleep in.

> >

> > I look forward to any insight on what I can do

> next.

> >

> > Though it may appear that I'm just HypoT, I really

> > feel like the horrible am fatigue and high energy

> at

> > nighttime is from my adrenal issues, but I'm so

> > desperate that if someone told me eating cow dung

> > would make me feel normal and give me my body

> back,

> > I'd try it.

> >

> > Thanks in advance for all insight and help. My

> temps

> > and daily averages are below.

> >

> > TEMPS

> >

> > 12/25

> >

> > Lumiscope - 8am = 97.0, 11am = 97.9, 1pm = 98.1,

> 4pm

> > =

> > 98.3, 7pm = 98.3 - AVG = 97.92

> >

> > Bestmed - 8am = ?, 11am = 97.5, 1pm = 97.7, 4pm =

> > 97.9, 7pm = 97.7 - AVG = 97.7

> >

> > 12/26

> >

> > Lumiscope - 8am = 97.7, 11am = 98.2, 2pm = 98.1 -

> > AVG

> > = 98

> >

> > Bestmed - 8am = 97.1, 11am = 97.7, 2pm = 97.8 -

> AVG

> > =

> > 97.53

> >

> > 12/27

> >

> > Lumiscope - 8am = 97.5, 11am - 98.1, 2 = 98.5, 5 =

> > 97.8 - AVG = 97.975

> >

> > Bestmed - 8am = 96.8, 11am = 97.7, 2 = 97.9, 5 =

> > 97.4

> > - AVG = 97.45

> >

> > 12/28

> >

> > Lumiscope - 9:30am = 97.9, 12:30 = 98.3 - AVG =

> 98.1

> > (forgot to take temp later in the day)

> >

> > Bestmed - 9:30am - 97.6, 12:30 = 97.7 - AVG =

> 97.65

> >

> > 12/29

> >

> > Lumiscope - 8am = 97.9, 10 = 97.8, 1 = 97.9, 4 =

> > 98.4

> > -AVG = 98

> >

> > Bestmed - 8am = 97.4, 10 = 97.4, 1 = 97.4, 4 =

> 97.4

> > -

> > AVG = 97.4

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

December 30, 2006

Sammie,

If you are using a mercury thermometor you will need to shake it down before

using it again. It occured to me you might not be doing that.

C.

December 30, 2006

Sammie,

If you are using a mercury thermometor you will need to shake it down before

using it again. It occured to me you might not be doing that.

C.

December 30, 2006

Yes I know but being an Engineer and wanting things right I find that they are

not accurate but that is me. If I am doing research I want the best tools I can

get my hands on. I find this works the best.

http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/Products/Thermometer.htm

A cut and paste from s site.

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What kind of thermometers should be used? Digital thermometers are very

fast and convenient but can easily become inaccurate from:

dropping them from 4 inches or more

low batteries

exposure to water or humidity

When they become inaccurate they can still give a reading, it just won't be

right. There's no way of knowing whether the reading is correct or not.

Sometimes, a digital thermometer will show one reading one minute and another

the next.

Mercury Thermometers are very consistent and they hold their readings. If

patients are too busy to read their thermometers (while driving, for example)

when it's time, they can take the thermometers out and read them later.

Mercury thermometers can take longer (it's good to leave them in for around 7

minutes). They are also being phased out of the market because of environmental

legislation and are becoming harder and harder to find. The concern is that when

the thermometers are broken the liquid spills out and some mercury vapor gets

into the atmosphere, finding its way into the food chain. When broken

thermometers are thrown in the trash and then incinerated, that apparently puts

even more mercury into the air. One doctor believes that some mercury can make

it through the glass of intact thermometers. She believes that some of her

patients are especially sensitive to mercury and have noticed episodes of acute

depression, headaches and malaise just from measuring their temperatures with a

mercury thermometer.

We recommend some great new Liquid metal thermometers (not mercury). We think

they're better than mercury thermometers ever were. For one thing, they provide

accurate readings in only 3 minutes!

Glass Alcohol thermometers are very consistent but frequently don't hold their

readings. They usually contain a red liquid. These thermometers are fine as long

as you read them right away.

The Big Picture No matter what thermometer you choose, no matter how new, it

may still not be perfectly accurate. There is always some variation among

thermometers, some small, some large. The important thing is for patients to be

able to see the changes in their temperatures with proper T3 therapy. Therefore

it would make sense for patients to try to take their temperatures in the same

way each time with the same thermometer for comparison's sake. The Mercury,

Galistan, and Alcohol thermometers are especially good for this since they are

so consistent. The liquids they contain are going to expand with warming the

same way every time (make sure to shake down the Mercury and Galistan before

each use to reset them). So even if a patient has a Mercury or Galistan or

Alcohol thermometer that is a little inaccurate, at least it will be

consistently inaccurate and in that way still useful (in showing the improvement

in temperature with treatment).

By the same token, if your story is consistent with 's Temperature

Syndrome and you find your temperature is normal, by all means check it with

another two or three thermometers! Many patients have found that their

thermometers were wrong and their temperatures were low and they have responded

well to treatment. In fact, if your history is classic for WTS your chances of

having a normal temperature are only about 1 in 200. There's a lot better chance

that your thermometer is wrong than there is that your temperature's normal.

These issues of thermometer accuracy don't come up very often but they come up

often enough that doctors and patients would be well served to know about them.

For the most part, patients are easily able to see that their temperatures are

low before treatment, that they come up with treatment, and that their

complaints begin to disappear as their temperatures improve.

Sammie Baker wrote:

Phil -

The lumiscope is the one adviced to have by dr rind.

So I think I'm good. I know all about shaking down

thermometers.

SAMMIE

--- philip georgian wrote:

> Can you shake down the thermometer you have if you

> can should be good.

> Phil

>

> Sammie Baker wrote:

> Phil-

>

> I have that thermometer too, but it always says that

> I'm 98.6 no matter what, so I don't think it's

> reliable. Maybe I got a bad one. Then again I have

> two of them.

>

> I did my best to take my temp every three hours, and

> most days I did so. It's not an easy task to

> remember

> this while living a life, remembering not to drink

> fluids or get your heart rate up before taking your

> temp. That's why I waited until I was on vacation

> and

> had several days to do so in a row.

>

> I don't understand the graph at all, which is why I

> asked the questions here. I've done the math and

> done

> the averages. Now I need to know when to increase my

> thyroid and adrenal meds.

>

> Thanks

>

> SAMMIE

>

> --- philip georgian wrote:

>

> > Hi Sammie you should start taking your temps after

> > your up 3 hrs. then every 3 hrs after that. I use

> > this to take my Temp it takes 5 mins. but is very

> > acturate.

> >

>

http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/Products/Thermometer.htm

> > I understand they sell one like this at Wal-Greens

> > and Wal-Mart for a little less money.

> > Are you charting your temps and following this

> > link.

> > http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions

> > Just by looking at your temps your up and down

> > this may mean you need a higher dose of HC. When

> my

> > temps are stable from day to day this is when I

> add

> > more Armour but I only go up 15mgs at a time. As

> > soon as I add this my temps go up and stay up for

> > about 2 weeks then start falling back so this is

> > when I add more armour.

> > Phil

> >

> > Sammie Baker wrote:

> > Hi Everyone

> >

> > I apologize in advance for the long post.

> >

> > I wanted to get some insight on how to increase my

> > dose of meds. I really feel like I need to

> increase

> > both my cortisol and thyroid meds. Currently I'm

> on

> > 20mgs of cortisol and 3 1/4 grains of thyroid-s.

> > I've

> > been on this dose of cortisol for about 5-6

> months.

> > I

> > really dont feel any better at all. I started out

> on

> > 2 1/4 grains of thyroid meds and have added

> another

> > grain since taking the cortisol. Also, when I

> start

> > my period, I have to stress dose with double my

> > thyroid meds - but usually that doesn't even cure

> > the

> > migraine and fatigue I get on the day or two

> before

> > my

> > period starts. This is a NEW issue that only

> started

> > when I began taking cortisol. (good times.) Val

> has

> > said this is due to cortisol using up thyroid

> meds,

> > which makes sense.

> >

> > But my issues still remain. Terrible fatigue in

> the

> > am, so I'm assuming my cortisol is still low in

> the

> > morning, and gets high at nighttime, making going

> to

> > bed before 2am, nearly impossible. I've been out

> of

> > work for the last 3 months and have been able to

> > sleep

> > in until 10am, which has really helped. But

> > financially I had to go back to work and I know

> that

> > I

> > really am not ready. And frankly, I'm tired of all

> > this. I need to figure out my proper dosing so I

> can

> > get my life back! I spend 90% of my life resting,

> > with headaches, moving very little from my couch,

> > especially if I get up before 10am, which I will

> > have

> > to do now that I'm working again. Low carbs and

> lack

> > of caffeine make me feel much worse. I know that

> > this

> > isnt supposed to make things worse, but without it

> > sometimes I can't lift my head.

> >

> > I've been tracking my temps for the last week and

> > this

> > is what I've recorded. Since there is such a

> > variance

> > of my temps between thermometer, I've recorded

> with

> > two different types - Lumiscope/Quick Read and

> > Bestmed. I have no idea which is correct, but

> > ironically, they almost mirror eachother on the

> > variances, but differ on the actual number. (so

> > frustrating.....) I also should point out that I

> > took

> > my first temp at 8am, which is the time I SHOULD

> be

> > waking up. BUT, I haven't been getting out of bed

> > until 10am. (I set the alarm and then record my

> temp

> > - then go back to bed.) So I record it again at

> > 10am,

> > which is my actual waking time. I had this week

> off

> > from work, and thus was able to sleep in.

> >

> > I look forward to any insight on what I can do

> next.

> >

> > Though it may appear that I'm just HypoT, I really

> > feel like the horrible am fatigue and high energy

> at

> > nighttime is from my adrenal issues, but I'm so

> > desperate that if someone told me eating cow dung

> > would make me feel normal and give me my body

> back,

> > I'd try it.

> >

> > Thanks in advance for all insight and help. My

> temps

> > and daily averages are below.

> >

> > TEMPS

> >

> > 12/25

> >

> > Lumiscope - 8am = 97.0, 11am = 97.9, 1pm = 98.1,

> 4pm

> > =

> > 98.3, 7pm = 98.3 - AVG = 97.92

> >

> > Bestmed - 8am = ?, 11am = 97.5, 1pm = 97.7, 4pm =

> > 97.9, 7pm = 97.7 - AVG = 97.7

> >

> > 12/26

> >

> > Lumiscope - 8am = 97.7, 11am = 98.2, 2pm = 98.1 -

> > AVG

> > = 98

> >

> > Bestmed - 8am = 97.1, 11am = 97.7, 2pm = 97.8 -

> AVG

> > =

> > 97.53

> >

> > 12/27

> >

> > Lumiscope - 8am = 97.5, 11am - 98.1, 2 = 98.5, 5 =

> > 97.8 - AVG = 97.975

> >

> > Bestmed - 8am = 96.8, 11am = 97.7, 2 = 97.9, 5 =

> > 97.4

> > - AVG = 97.45

> >

> > 12/28

> >

> > Lumiscope - 9:30am = 97.9, 12:30 = 98.3 - AVG =

> 98.1

> > (forgot to take temp later in the day)

> >

> > Bestmed - 9:30am - 97.6, 12:30 = 97.7 - AVG =

> 97.65

> >

> > 12/29

> >

> > Lumiscope - 8am = 97.9, 10 = 97.8, 1 = 97.9, 4 =

> > 98.4

> > -AVG = 98

> >

> > Bestmed - 8am = 97.4, 10 = 97.4, 1 = 97.4, 4 =

> 97.4

> > -

> > AVG = 97.4

> >

> > __________________________________________________

> >

December 30, 2006