Re: - Val & Anyone - Thyroid And/Or Cortisol dose increase?????

[Guest guest]

yes, and i told you that i have that one and it

doesn't work for me. why do i feel like i'm arguing

about a thermometer instead of getting advice on my

info? the site that everyone looks to actually

recommends the thermometer that i have!!! engineer or

not, i'm covered on the thermometer issue. now i need

advice please. i've used that one and it doesn't

work. in fact i have two of them!!!!!

anyone???????? help!!

SAMMIE

--- philip georgian wrote:

> Yes I know but being an Engineer and wanting things

> right I find that they are not accurate but that is

> me. If I am doing research I want the best tools I

> can get my hands on. I find this works the best.

>

>

http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/Products/Thermometer.htm

> A cut and paste from s site.

>

>

-----------------------------------------------------

> What kind of thermometers should be used?

> Digital thermometers are very fast and convenient

> but can easily become inaccurate from:

>

> dropping them from 4 inches or more

> low batteries

> exposure to water or humidity

> When they become inaccurate they can still give a

> reading, it just won't be right. There's no way of

> knowing whether the reading is correct or not.

> Sometimes, a digital thermometer will show one

> reading one minute and another the next.

> Mercury Thermometers are very consistent and they

> hold their readings. If patients are too busy to

> read their thermometers (while driving, for example)

> when it's time, they can take the thermometers out

> and read them later.

> Mercury thermometers can take longer (it's good to

> leave them in for around 7 minutes). They are also

> being phased out of the market because of

> environmental legislation and are becoming harder

> and harder to find. The concern is that when the

> thermometers are broken the liquid spills out and

> some mercury vapor gets into the atmosphere, finding

> its way into the food chain. When broken

> thermometers are thrown in the trash and then

> incinerated, that apparently puts even more mercury

> into the air. One doctor believes that some mercury

> can make it through the glass of intact

> thermometers. She believes that some of her patients

> are especially sensitive to mercury and have noticed

> episodes of acute depression, headaches and malaise

> just from measuring their temperatures with a

> mercury thermometer.

> We recommend some great new Liquid metal

> thermometers (not mercury). We think they're better

> than mercury thermometers ever were. For one thing,

> they provide accurate readings in only 3 minutes!

> Glass Alcohol thermometers are very consistent but

> frequently don't hold their readings. They usually

> contain a red liquid. These thermometers are fine as

> long as you read them right away.

> The Big Picture No matter what thermometer you

> choose, no matter how new, it may still not be

> perfectly accurate. There is always some variation

> among thermometers, some small, some large. The

> important thing is for patients to be able to see

> the changes in their temperatures with proper T3

> therapy. Therefore it would make sense for patients

> to try to take their temperatures in the same way

> each time with the same thermometer for comparison's

> sake. The Mercury, Galistan, and Alcohol

> thermometers are especially good for this since they

> are so consistent. The liquids they contain are

> going to expand with warming the same way every time

> (make sure to shake down the Mercury and Galistan

> before each use to reset them). So even if a patient

> has a Mercury or Galistan or Alcohol thermometer

> that is a little inaccurate, at least it will be

> consistently inaccurate and in that way still useful

> (in showing the improvement in temperature with

> treatment).

> By the same token, if your story is consistent

> with 's Temperature Syndrome and you find your

> temperature is normal, by all means check it with

> another two or three thermometers! Many patients

> have found that their thermometers were wrong and

> their temperatures were low and they have responded

> well to treatment. In fact, if your history is

> classic for WTS your chances of having a normal

> temperature are only about 1 in 200. There's a lot

> better chance that your thermometer is wrong than

> there is that your temperature's normal.

> These issues of thermometer accuracy don't come up

> very often but they come up often enough that

> doctors and patients would be well served to know

> about them. For the most part, patients are easily

> able to see that their temperatures are low before

> treatment, that they come up with treatment, and

> that their complaints begin to disappear as their

> temperatures improve.

>

>

>

> Sammie Baker wrote:

> Phil -

>

> The lumiscope is the one adviced to have by dr rind.

>

> So I think I'm good. I know all about shaking down

> thermometers.

>

> SAMMIE

>

> --- philip georgian wrote:

>

> > Can you shake down the thermometer you have if you

> > can should be good.

> > Phil

> >

> > Sammie Baker wrote:

> > Phil-

> >

> > I have that thermometer too, but it always says

> that

> > I'm 98.6 no matter what, so I don't think it's

> > reliable. Maybe I got a bad one. Then again I have

> > two of them.

> >

> > I did my best to take my temp every three hours,

> and

> > most days I did so. It's not an easy task to

> > remember

> > this while living a life, remembering not to drink

> > fluids or get your heart rate up before taking

> your

> > temp. That's why I waited until I was on vacation

> > and

> > had several days to do so in a row.

> >

> > I don't understand the graph at all, which is why

> I

> > asked the questions here. I've done the math and

> > done

> > the averages. Now I need to know when to increase

> my

> > thyroid and adrenal meds.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > SAMMIE

> >

> > --- philip georgian wrote:

> >

> > > Hi Sammie you should start taking your temps

> after

> > > your up 3 hrs. then every 3 hrs after that. I

> use

> > > this to take my Temp it takes 5 mins. but is

> very

> > > acturate.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/Products/Thermometer.htm

> > > I understand they sell one like this at

> Wal-Greens

> > > and Wal-Mart for a little less money.

> > > Are you charting your temps and following this

> > > link.

> > > http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions

> > > Just by looking at your temps your up and down

> > > this may mean you need a higher dose of HC. When

> > my

> > > temps are stable from day to day this is when I

> > add

> > > more Armour but I only go up 15mgs at a time. As

> > > soon as I add this my temps go up and stay up

> for

> > > about 2 weeks then start falling back so this is

> > > when I add more armour.

> > > Phil

> > >

> > > Sammie Baker wrote:

> > > Hi Everyone

> > >

> > > I apologize in advance for the long post.

> > >

> > > I wanted to get some insight on how to increase

> my

> > > dose of meds. I really feel like I need to

> > increase

> > > both my cortisol and thyroid meds. Currently I'm

> > on

> > > 20mgs of cortisol and 3 1/4 grains of thyroid-s.

> > > I've

> > > been on this dose of cortisol for about 5-6

> > months.

> > > I

> > > really dont feel any better at all. I started

> out

> > on

> > > 2 1/4 grains of thyroid meds and have added

> > another

> > > grain since taking the cortisol. Also, when I

> > start

> > > my period, I have to stress dose with double my

> > > thyroid meds - but usually that doesn't even

> cure

> > > the

> > > migraine and fatigue I get on the day or two

> > before

> > > my

> > > period starts. This is a NEW issue that only

> > started

> > > when I began taking cortisol. (good times.) Val

> > has

> > > said this is due to cortisol using up thyroid

> > meds,

> > > which makes sense.

> > >

> > > But my issues still remain. Terrible fatigue in

> > the

> > > am, so I'm assuming my cortisol is still low in

> > the

> > > morning, and gets high at nighttime, making

> going

> > to

> > > bed before 2am, nearly impossible. I've been out

> > of

> > > work for the last 3 months and have been able to

> > > sleep

> > > in until 10am, which has really helped. But

> > > financially I had to go back to work and I know

> > that

> > > I

> > > really am not ready. And frankly, I'm tired of

> all

> > > this. I need to figure out my proper dosing so I

> > can

> > > get my life back! I spend 90% of my life

> resting,

> > > with headaches, moving very little from my

> couch,

> > > especially if I get up before 10am, which I will

> > > have

> > > to do now that I'm working again. Low carbs and

> > lack

> > > of caffeine make me feel much worse. I know that

> > > this

> > > isnt supposed to make things worse, but without

> it

> > > sometimes I can't lift my head.

> > >

> > > I've been tracking my temps for the last week

> and

> > > this

> > > is what I've recorded. Since there is such a

> > > variance

> > > of my temps between thermometer, I've recorded

> > with

> > > two different types - Lumiscope/Quick Read and

> > > Bestmed. I have no idea which is correct, but

> > > ironically, they almost mirror eachother on the

> > > variances, but differ on the actual number. (so

> > > frustrating.....) I also should point out that I

> > > took

> > > my first temp at 8am, which is the time I SHOULD

> > be

> > > waking up. BUT, I haven't been getting out of

> bed

> > > until 10am. (I set the alarm and then record my

> > temp

> > > - then go back to bed.) So I record it again at

> > > 10am,

> > > which is my actual waking time. I had this week

> > off

> > > from work, and thus was able to sleep in.

> > >

> > > I look forward to any insight on what I can do

> > next.

> > >

> > > Though it may appear that I'm just HypoT, I

> really

> > > feel like the horrible am fatigue and high

> energy

> > at

> > > nighttime is from my adrenal issues, but I'm so

> > > desperate that if someone told me eating cow

> dung

> > > would make me feel normal and give me my body

> > back,

> > > I'd try it.

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance for all insight and help. My

> > temps

> > > and daily averages are below.

> > >

> > > TEMPS

> > >

> > > 12/25

> > >

> > > Lumiscope - 8am = 97.0, 11am = 97.9, 1pm = 98.1,

> > 4pm

> > > =

> > > 98.3, 7pm = 98.3 - AVG = 97.92

> > >

> > > Bestmed - 8am = ?, 11am = 97.5, 1pm = 97.7, 4pm

> =

> > > 97.9, 7pm = 97.7 - AVG = 97.7

> > >

> > > 12/26

> > >

> > > Lumiscope - 8am = 97.7, 11am = 98.2, 2pm = 98.1

> -

> > > AVG

> > > = 98

> > >

> > > Bestmed - 8am = 97.1, 11am = 97.7, 2pm = 97.8 -

> > AVG

> > > =

> > > 97.53

> > >

> > > 12/27

> > >

> > > Lumiscope - 8am = 97.5, 11am - 98.1, 2 = 98.5, 5

> =

> > > 97.8 - AVG = 97.975

> > >

> > > Bestmed - 8am = 96.8, 11am = 97.7, 2 = 97.9, 5 =

> > > 97.4

> > > - AVG = 97.45

> > >

> > > 12/28

> > >

> > > Lumiscope - 9:30am = 97.9, 12:30 = 98.3 - AVG =

> > 98.1

> > > (forgot to take temp later in the day)

> > >

> > > Bestmed - 9:30am - 97.6, 12:30 = 97.7 - AVG =

> > 97.65

> > >

> > > 12/29

> > >

> > > Lumiscope - 8am = 97.9, 10 = 97.8, 1 = 97.9, 4 =

> > > 98.4

> > > -AVG = 98

> > >

> > > Bestmed - 8am = 97.4, 10 = 97.4, 1 = 97.4, 4 =

> > 97.4

> > > -

> > > AVG = 97.4

> > >

> > >

> __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

yes, and i told you that i have that one and it

doesn't work for me. why do i feel like i'm arguing

about a thermometer instead of getting advice on my

info? the site that everyone looks to actually

recommends the thermometer that i have!!! engineer or

not, i'm covered on the thermometer issue. now i need

advice please. i've used that one and it doesn't

work. in fact i have two of them!!!!!

anyone???????? help!!

SAMMIE

--- philip georgian wrote:

> Yes I know but being an Engineer and wanting things

> right I find that they are not accurate but that is

> me. If I am doing research I want the best tools I

> can get my hands on. I find this works the best.

>

>

http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/Products/Thermometer.htm

> A cut and paste from s site.

>

>

-----------------------------------------------------

> What kind of thermometers should be used?

> Digital thermometers are very fast and convenient

> but can easily become inaccurate from:

>

> dropping them from 4 inches or more

> low batteries

> exposure to water or humidity

> When they become inaccurate they can still give a

> reading, it just won't be right. There's no way of

> knowing whether the reading is correct or not.

> Sometimes, a digital thermometer will show one

> reading one minute and another the next.

> Mercury Thermometers are very consistent and they

> hold their readings. If patients are too busy to

> read their thermometers (while driving, for example)

> when it's time, they can take the thermometers out

> and read them later.

> Mercury thermometers can take longer (it's good to

> leave them in for around 7 minutes). They are also

> being phased out of the market because of

> environmental legislation and are becoming harder

> and harder to find. The concern is that when the

> thermometers are broken the liquid spills out and

> some mercury vapor gets into the atmosphere, finding

> its way into the food chain. When broken

> thermometers are thrown in the trash and then

> incinerated, that apparently puts even more mercury

> into the air. One doctor believes that some mercury

> can make it through the glass of intact

> thermometers. She believes that some of her patients

> are especially sensitive to mercury and have noticed

> episodes of acute depression, headaches and malaise

> just from measuring their temperatures with a

> mercury thermometer.

> We recommend some great new Liquid metal

> thermometers (not mercury). We think they're better

> than mercury thermometers ever were. For one thing,

> they provide accurate readings in only 3 minutes!

> Glass Alcohol thermometers are very consistent but

> frequently don't hold their readings. They usually

> contain a red liquid. These thermometers are fine as

> long as you read them right away.

> The Big Picture No matter what thermometer you

> choose, no matter how new, it may still not be

> perfectly accurate. There is always some variation

> among thermometers, some small, some large. The

> important thing is for patients to be able to see

> the changes in their temperatures with proper T3

> therapy. Therefore it would make sense for patients

> to try to take their temperatures in the same way

> each time with the same thermometer for comparison's

> sake. The Mercury, Galistan, and Alcohol

> thermometers are especially good for this since they

> are so consistent. The liquids they contain are

> going to expand with warming the same way every time

> (make sure to shake down the Mercury and Galistan

> before each use to reset them). So even if a patient

> has a Mercury or Galistan or Alcohol thermometer

> that is a little inaccurate, at least it will be

> consistently inaccurate and in that way still useful

> (in showing the improvement in temperature with

> treatment).

> By the same token, if your story is consistent

> with 's Temperature Syndrome and you find your

> temperature is normal, by all means check it with

> another two or three thermometers! Many patients

> have found that their thermometers were wrong and

> their temperatures were low and they have responded

> well to treatment. In fact, if your history is

> classic for WTS your chances of having a normal

> temperature are only about 1 in 200. There's a lot

> better chance that your thermometer is wrong than

> there is that your temperature's normal.

> These issues of thermometer accuracy don't come up

> very often but they come up often enough that

> doctors and patients would be well served to know

> about them. For the most part, patients are easily

> able to see that their temperatures are low before

> treatment, that they come up with treatment, and

> that their complaints begin to disappear as their

> temperatures improve.

>

>

>

> Sammie Baker wrote:

> Phil -

>

> The lumiscope is the one adviced to have by dr rind.

>

> So I think I'm good. I know all about shaking down

> thermometers.

>

> SAMMIE

>

> --- philip georgian wrote:

>

> > Can you shake down the thermometer you have if you

> > can should be good.

> > Phil

> >

> > Sammie Baker wrote:

> > Phil-

> >

> > I have that thermometer too, but it always says

> that

> > I'm 98.6 no matter what, so I don't think it's

> > reliable. Maybe I got a bad one. Then again I have

> > two of them.

> >

> > I did my best to take my temp every three hours,

> and

> > most days I did so. It's not an easy task to

> > remember

> > this while living a life, remembering not to drink

> > fluids or get your heart rate up before taking

> your

> > temp. That's why I waited until I was on vacation

> > and

> > had several days to do so in a row.

> >

> > I don't understand the graph at all, which is why

> I

> > asked the questions here. I've done the math and

> > done

> > the averages. Now I need to know when to increase

> my

> > thyroid and adrenal meds.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > SAMMIE

> >

> > --- philip georgian wrote:

> >

> > > Hi Sammie you should start taking your temps

> after

> > > your up 3 hrs. then every 3 hrs after that. I

> use

> > > this to take my Temp it takes 5 mins. but is

> very

> > > acturate.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/Products/Thermometer.htm

> > > I understand they sell one like this at

> Wal-Greens

> > > and Wal-Mart for a little less money.

> > > Are you charting your temps and following this

> > > link.

> > > http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions

> > > Just by looking at your temps your up and down

> > > this may mean you need a higher dose of HC. When

> > my

> > > temps are stable from day to day this is when I

> > add

> > > more Armour but I only go up 15mgs at a time. As

> > > soon as I add this my temps go up and stay up

> for

> > > about 2 weeks then start falling back so this is

> > > when I add more armour.

> > > Phil

> > >

> > > Sammie Baker wrote:

> > > Hi Everyone

> > >

> > > I apologize in advance for the long post.

> > >

> > > I wanted to get some insight on how to increase

> my

> > > dose of meds. I really feel like I need to

> > increase

> > > both my cortisol and thyroid meds. Currently I'm

> > on

> > > 20mgs of cortisol and 3 1/4 grains of thyroid-s.

> > > I've

> > > been on this dose of cortisol for about 5-6

> > months.

> > > I

> > > really dont feel any better at all. I started

> out

> > on

> > > 2 1/4 grains of thyroid meds and have added

> > another

> > > grain since taking the cortisol. Also, when I

> > start

> > > my period, I have to stress dose with double my

> > > thyroid meds - but usually that doesn't even

> cure

> > > the

> > > migraine and fatigue I get on the day or two

> > before

> > > my

> > > period starts. This is a NEW issue that only

> > started

> > > when I began taking cortisol. (good times.) Val

> > has

> > > said this is due to cortisol using up thyroid

> > meds,

> > > which makes sense.

> > >

> > > But my issues still remain. Terrible fatigue in

> > the

> > > am, so I'm assuming my cortisol is still low in

> > the

> > > morning, and gets high at nighttime, making

> going

> > to

> > > bed before 2am, nearly impossible. I've been out

> > of

> > > work for the last 3 months and have been able to

> > > sleep

> > > in until 10am, which has really helped. But

> > > financially I had to go back to work and I know

> > that

> > > I

> > > really am not ready. And frankly, I'm tired of

> all

> > > this. I need to figure out my proper dosing so I

> > can

> > > get my life back! I spend 90% of my life

> resting,

> > > with headaches, moving very little from my

> couch,

> > > especially if I get up before 10am, which I will

> > > have

> > > to do now that I'm working again. Low carbs and

> > lack

> > > of caffeine make me feel much worse. I know that

> > > this

> > > isnt supposed to make things worse, but without

> it

> > > sometimes I can't lift my head.

> > >

> > > I've been tracking my temps for the last week

> and

> > > this

> > > is what I've recorded. Since there is such a

> > > variance

> > > of my temps between thermometer, I've recorded

> > with

> > > two different types - Lumiscope/Quick Read and

> > > Bestmed. I have no idea which is correct, but

> > > ironically, they almost mirror eachother on the

> > > variances, but differ on the actual number. (so

> > > frustrating.....) I also should point out that I

> > > took

> > > my first temp at 8am, which is the time I SHOULD

> > be

> > > waking up. BUT, I haven't been getting out of

> bed

> > > until 10am. (I set the alarm and then record my

> > temp

> > > - then go back to bed.) So I record it again at

> > > 10am,

> > > which is my actual waking time. I had this week

> > off

> > > from work, and thus was able to sleep in.

> > >

> > > I look forward to any insight on what I can do

> > next.

> > >

> > > Though it may appear that I'm just HypoT, I

> really

> > > feel like the horrible am fatigue and high

> energy

> > at

> > > nighttime is from my adrenal issues, but I'm so

> > > desperate that if someone told me eating cow

> dung

> > > would make me feel normal and give me my body

> > back,

> > > I'd try it.

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance for all insight and help. My

> > temps

> > > and daily averages are below.

> > >

> > > TEMPS

> > >

> > > 12/25

> > >

> > > Lumiscope - 8am = 97.0, 11am = 97.9, 1pm = 98.1,

> > 4pm

> > > =

> > > 98.3, 7pm = 98.3 - AVG = 97.92

> > >

> > > Bestmed - 8am = ?, 11am = 97.5, 1pm = 97.7, 4pm

> =

> > > 97.9, 7pm = 97.7 - AVG = 97.7

> > >

> > > 12/26

> > >

> > > Lumiscope - 8am = 97.7, 11am = 98.2, 2pm = 98.1

> -

> > > AVG

> > > = 98

> > >

> > > Bestmed - 8am = 97.1, 11am = 97.7, 2pm = 97.8 -

> > AVG

> > > =

> > > 97.53

> > >

> > > 12/27

> > >

> > > Lumiscope - 8am = 97.5, 11am - 98.1, 2 = 98.5, 5

> =

> > > 97.8 - AVG = 97.975

> > >

> > > Bestmed - 8am = 96.8, 11am = 97.7, 2 = 97.9, 5 =

> > > 97.4

> > > - AVG = 97.45

> > >

> > > 12/28

> > >

> > > Lumiscope - 9:30am = 97.9, 12:30 = 98.3 - AVG =

> > 98.1

> > > (forgot to take temp later in the day)

> > >

> > > Bestmed - 9:30am - 97.6, 12:30 = 97.7 - AVG =

> > 97.65

> > >

> > > 12/29

> > >

> > > Lumiscope - 8am = 97.9, 10 = 97.8, 1 = 97.9, 4 =

> > > 98.4

> > > -AVG = 98

> > >

> > > Bestmed - 8am = 97.4, 10 = 97.4, 1 = 97.4, 4 =

> > 97.4

> > > -

> > > AVG = 97.4

> > >

> > >

> __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

Sammie:

Since you have been on a dose of Armour that is not particularly low, and

you have on HC too, could there be another problem, like growth hormone

deficiency. My endo said that the 3 work together and if one is low it

throws the others off. The reason I mention growth hormone is that the

morning fatigue was terrible before I started using GH injectable. It felt

like I had the flu every morning when I woke up.

You might have a severe growth hormone deficiency. I started feeling so

much better within a week cause I was so low on GH.

-- Re: - Val & Anyone - Thyroid And/Or Cortisol dose

increase?????

yes, and i told you that i have that one and it

doesn't work for me. why do i feel like i'm arguing

about a thermometer instead of getting advice on my

info? the site that everyone looks to actually

recommends the thermometer that i have!!! engineer or

not, i'm covered on the thermometer issue. now i need

advice please. i've used that one and it doesn't

work. in fact i have two of them!!!!!

anyone???????? help!!

SAMMIE

--- philip georgian wrote:

> Yes I know but being an Engineer and wanting things

> right I find that they are not accurate but that is

> me. If I am doing research I want the best tools I

> can get my hands on. I find this works the best.

>

>

http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/Products/Thermometer.htm

> A cut and paste from s site.

>

>

-----------------------------------------------------

> What kind of thermometers should be used?

> Digital thermometers are very fast and convenient

> but can easily become inaccurate from:

>

> dropping them from 4 inches or more

> low batteries

> exposure to water or humidity

> When they become inaccurate they can still give a

> reading, it just won't be right. There's no way of

> knowing whether the reading is correct or not.

> Sometimes, a digital thermometer will show one

> reading one minute and another the next.

> Mercury Thermometers are very consistent and they

> hold their readings. If patients are too busy to

> read their thermometers (while driving, for example)

> when it's time, they can take the thermometers out

> and read them later.

> Mercury thermometers can take longer (it's good to

> leave them in for around 7 minutes). They are also

> being phased out of the market because of

> environmental legislation and are becoming harder

> and harder to find. The concern is that when the

> thermometers are broken the liquid spills out and

> some mercury vapor gets into the atmosphere, finding

> its way into the food chain. When broken

> thermometers are thrown in the trash and then

> incinerated, that apparently puts even more mercury

> into the air. One doctor believes that some mercury

> can make it through the glass of intact

> thermometers. She believes that some of her patients

> are especially sensitive to mercury and have noticed

> episodes of acute depression, headaches and malaise

> just from measuring their temperatures with a

> mercury thermometer.

> We recommend some great new Liquid metal

> thermometers (not mercury). We think they're better

> than mercury thermometers ever were. For one thing,

> they provide accurate readings in only 3 minutes!

> Glass Alcohol thermometers are very consistent but

> frequently don't hold their readings. They usually

> contain a red liquid. These thermometers are fine as

> long as you read them right away.

> The Big Picture No matter what thermometer you

> choose, no matter how new, it may still not be

> perfectly accurate. There is always some variation

> among thermometers, some small, some large. The

> important thing is for patients to be able to see

> the changes in their temperatures with proper T3

> therapy. Therefore it would make sense for patients

> to try to take their temperatures in the same way

> each time with the same thermometer for comparison's

> sake. The Mercury, Galistan, and Alcohol

> thermometers are especially good for this since they

> are so consistent. The liquids they contain are

> going to expand with warming the same way every time

> (make sure to shake down the Mercury and Galistan

> before each use to reset them). So even if a patient

> has a Mercury or Galistan or Alcohol thermometer

> that is a little inaccurate, at least it will be

> consistently inaccurate and in that way still useful

> (in showing the improvement in temperature with

> treatment).

> By the same token, if your story is consistent

> with 's Temperature Syndrome and you find your

> temperature is normal, by all means check it with

> another two or three thermometers! Many patients

> have found that their thermometers were wrong and

> their temperatures were low and they have responded

> well to treatment. In fact, if your history is

> classic for WTS your chances of having a normal

> temperature are only about 1 in 200. There's a lot

> better chance that your thermometer is wrong than

> there is that your temperature's normal.

> These issues of thermometer accuracy don't come up

> very often but they come up often enough that

> doctors and patients would be well served to know

> about them. For the most part, patients are easily

> able to see that their temperatures are low before

> treatment, that they come up with treatment, and

> that their complaints begin to disappear as their

> temperatures improve.

>

>

>

> Sammie Baker wrote:

> Phil -

>

> The lumiscope is the one adviced to have by dr rind.

>

> So I think I'm good. I know all about shaking down

> thermometers.

>

> SAMMIE

>

> --- philip georgian wrote:

>

> > Can you shake down the thermometer you have if you

> > can should be good.

> > Phil

> >

> > Sammie Baker wrote:

> > Phil-

> >

> > I have that thermometer too, but it always says

> that

> > I'm 98.6 no matter what, so I don't think it's

> > reliable. Maybe I got a bad one. Then again I have

> > two of them.

> >

> > I did my best to take my temp every three hours,

> and

> > most days I did so. It's not an easy task to

> > remember

> > this while living a life, remembering not to drink

> > fluids or get your heart rate up before taking

> your

> > temp. That's why I waited until I was on vacation

> > and

> > had several days to do so in a row.

> >

> > I don't understand the graph at all, which is why

> I

> > asked the questions here. I've done the math and

> > done

> > the averages. Now I need to know when to increase

> my

> > thyroid and adrenal meds.

> >

> > Thanks

> >

> > SAMMIE

> >

> > --- philip georgian wrote:

> >

> > > Hi Sammie you should start taking your temps

> after

> > > your up 3 hrs. then every 3 hrs after that. I

> use

> > > this to take my Temp it takes 5 mins. but is

> very

> > > acturate.

> > >

> > >

> >

>

http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/Products/Thermometer.htm

> > > I understand they sell one like this at

> Wal-Greens

> > > and Wal-Mart for a little less money.

> > > Are you charting your temps and following this

> > > link.

> > > http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions

> > > Just by looking at your temps your up and down

> > > this may mean you need a higher dose of HC. When

> > my

> > > temps are stable from day to day this is when I

> > add

> > > more Armour but I only go up 15mgs at a time. As

> > > soon as I add this my temps go up and stay up

> for

> > > about 2 weeks then start falling back so this is

> > > when I add more armour.

> > > Phil

> > >

> > > Sammie Baker wrote:

> > > Hi Everyone

> > >

> > > I apologize in advance for the long post.

> > >

> > > I wanted to get some insight on how to increase

> my

> > > dose of meds. I really feel like I need to

> > increase

> > > both my cortisol and thyroid meds. Currently I'm

> > on

> > > 20mgs of cortisol and 3 1/4 grains of thyroid-s.

> > > I've

> > > been on this dose of cortisol for about 5-6

> > months.

> > > I

> > > really dont feel any better at all. I started

> out

> > on

> > > 2 1/4 grains of thyroid meds and have added

> > another

> > > grain since taking the cortisol. Also, when I

> > start

> > > my period, I have to stress dose with double my

> > > thyroid meds - but usually that doesn't even

> cure

> > > the

> > > migraine and fatigue I get on the day or two

> > before

> > > my

> > > period starts. This is a NEW issue that only

> > started

> > > when I began taking cortisol. (good times.) Val

> > has

> > > said this is due to cortisol using up thyroid

> > meds,

> > > which makes sense.

> > >

> > > But my issues still remain. Terrible fatigue in

> > the

> > > am, so I'm assuming my cortisol is still low in

> > the

> > > morning, and gets high at nighttime, making

> going

> > to

> > > bed before 2am, nearly impossible. I've been out

> > of

> > > work for the last 3 months and have been able to

> > > sleep

> > > in until 10am, which has really helped. But

> > > financially I had to go back to work and I know

> > that

> > > I

> > > really am not ready. And frankly, I'm tired of

> all

> > > this. I need to figure out my proper dosing so I

> > can

> > > get my life back! I spend 90% of my life

> resting,

> > > with headaches, moving very little from my

> couch,

> > > especially if I get up before 10am, which I will

> > > have

> > > to do now that I'm working again. Low carbs and

> > lack

> > > of caffeine make me feel much worse. I know that

> > > this

> > > isnt supposed to make things worse, but without

> it

> > > sometimes I can't lift my head.

> > >

> > > I've been tracking my temps for the last week

> and

> > > this

> > > is what I've recorded. Since there is such a

> > > variance

> > > of my temps between thermometer, I've recorded

> > with

> > > two different types - Lumiscope/Quick Read and

> > > Bestmed. I have no idea which is correct, but

> > > ironically, they almost mirror eachother on the

> > > variances, but differ on the actual number. (so

> > > frustrating.....) I also should point out that I

> > > took

> > > my first temp at 8am, which is the time I SHOULD

> > be

> > > waking up. BUT, I haven't been getting out of

> bed

> > > until 10am. (I set the alarm and then record my

> > temp

> > > - then go back to bed.) So I record it again at

> > > 10am,

> > > which is my actual waking time. I had this week

> > off

> > > from work, and thus was able to sleep in.

> > >

> > > I look forward to any insight on what I can do

> > next.

> > >

> > > Though it may appear that I'm just HypoT, I

> really

> > > feel like the horrible am fatigue and high

> energy

> > at

> > > nighttime is from my adrenal issues, but I'm so

> > > desperate that if someone told me eating cow

> dung

> > > would make me feel normal and give me my body

> > back,

> > > I'd try it.

> > >

> > > Thanks in advance for all insight and help. My

> > temps

> > > and daily averages are below.

> > >

> > > TEMPS

> > >

> > > 12/25

> > >

> > > Lumiscope - 8am = 97.0, 11am = 97.9, 1pm = 98.1,

> > 4pm

> > > =

> > > 98.3, 7pm = 98.3 - AVG = 97.92

> > >

> > > Bestmed - 8am = ?, 11am = 97.5, 1pm = 97.7, 4pm

> =

> > > 97.9, 7pm = 97.7 - AVG = 97.7

> > >

> > > 12/26

> > >

> > > Lumiscope - 8am = 97.7, 11am = 98.2, 2pm = 98.1

> -

> > > AVG

> > > = 98

> > >

> > > Bestmed - 8am = 97.1, 11am = 97.7, 2pm = 97.8 -

> > AVG

> > > =

> > > 97.53

> > >

> > > 12/27

> > >

> > > Lumiscope - 8am = 97.5, 11am - 98.1, 2 = 98.5, 5

> =

> > > 97.8 - AVG = 97.975

> > >

> > > Bestmed - 8am = 96.8, 11am = 97.7, 2 = 97.9, 5 =

> > > 97.4

> > > - AVG = 97.45

> > >

> > > 12/28

> > >

> > > Lumiscope - 9:30am = 97.9, 12:30 = 98.3 - AVG =

> > 98.1

> > > (forgot to take temp later in the day)

> > >

> > > Bestmed - 9:30am - 97.6, 12:30 = 97.7 - AVG =

> > 97.65

> > >

> > > 12/29

> > >

> > > Lumiscope - 8am = 97.9, 10 = 97.8, 1 = 97.9, 4 =

> > > 98.4

> > > -AVG = 98

> > >

> > > Bestmed - 8am = 97.4, 10 = 97.4, 1 = 97.4, 4 =

> > 97.4

> > > -

> > > AVG = 97.4

> > >

> > >

> __________________________________________________

> > >

[Guest guest]

I think because in order to help you decide, the temperature is the

most conclusive evidence for them to give you advice on what they

would do for themselves one way or the

other. If they have no temperature to go by, they cannot just take a

wild guess and tell you either way...

At least this is what I am gleaning from the situation

I hope you feel better...

Take care,

Bonnie

> > > > Hi Everyone

> > > >

> > > > I apologize in advance for the long post.

> > > >

> > > > I wanted to get some insight on how to increase

> > my

> > > > dose of meds. I really feel like I need to

> > > increase

> > > > both my cortisol and thyroid meds. Currently I'm

> > > on

> > > > 20mgs of cortisol and 3 1/4 grains of thyroid-s.

> > > > I've

> > > > been on this dose of cortisol for about 5-6

> > > months.

> > > > I

> > > > really dont feel any better at all. I started

> > out

> > > on

> > > > 2 1/4 grains of thyroid meds and have added

> > > another

> > > > grain since taking the cortisol. Also, when I

> > > start

> > > > my period, I have to stress dose with double my

> > > > thyroid meds - but usually that doesn't even

> > cure

> > > > the

> > > > migraine and fatigue I get on the day or two

> > > before

> > > > my

> > > > period starts. This is a NEW issue that only

> > > started

> > > > when I began taking cortisol. (good times.) Val

> > > has

> > > > said this is due to cortisol using up thyroid

> > > meds,

> > > > which makes sense.

> > > >

> > > > But my issues still remain. Terrible fatigue in

> > > the

> > > > am, so I'm assuming my cortisol is still low in

> > > the

> > > > morning, and gets high at nighttime, making

> > going

> > > to

> > > > bed before 2am, nearly impossible. I've been out

> > > of

> > > > work for the last 3 months and have been able to

> > > > sleep

> > > > in until 10am, which has really helped. But

> > > > financially I had to go back to work and I know

> > > that

> > > > I

> > > > really am not ready. And frankly, I'm tired of

> > all

> > > > this. I need to figure out my proper dosing so I

> > > can

> > > > get my life back! I spend 90% of my life

> > resting,

> > > > with headaches, moving very little from my

> > couch,

> > > > especially if I get up before 10am, which I will

> > > > have

> > > > to do now that I'm working again. Low carbs and

> > > lack

> > > > of caffeine make me feel much worse. I know that

> > > > this

> > > > isnt supposed to make things worse, but without

> > it

> > > > sometimes I can't lift my head.

> > > >

> > > > I've been tracking my temps for the last week

> > and

> > > > this

> > > > is what I've recorded. Since there is such a

> > > > variance

> > > > of my temps between thermometer, I've recorded

> > > with

> > > > two different types - Lumiscope/Quick Read and

> > > > Bestmed. I have no idea which is correct, but

> > > > ironically, they almost mirror eachother on the

> > > > variances, but differ on the actual number. (so

> > > > frustrating.....) I also should point out that I

> > > > took

> > > > my first temp at 8am, which is the time I SHOULD

> > > be

> > > > waking up. BUT, I haven't been getting out of

> > bed

> > > > until 10am. (I set the alarm and then record my

> > > temp

> > > > - then go back to bed.) So I record it again at

> > > > 10am,

> > > > which is my actual waking time. I had this week

> > > off

> > > > from work, and thus was able to sleep in.

> > > >

> > > > I look forward to any insight on what I can do

> > > next.

> > > >

> > > > Though it may appear that I'm just HypoT, I

> > really

> > > > feel like the horrible am fatigue and high

> > energy

> > > at

> > > > nighttime is from my adrenal issues, but I'm so

> > > > desperate that if someone told me eating cow

> > dung

> > > > would make me feel normal and give me my body

> > > back,

> > > > I'd try it.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks in advance for all insight and help. My

> > > temps

> > > > and daily averages are below.

> > > >

> > > > TEMPS

> > > >

> > > > 12/25

> > > >

> > > > Lumiscope - 8am = 97.0, 11am = 97.9, 1pm = 98.1,

> > > 4pm

> > > > =

> > > > 98.3, 7pm = 98.3 - AVG = 97.92

> > > >

> > > > Bestmed - 8am = ?, 11am = 97.5, 1pm = 97.7, 4pm

> > =

> > > > 97.9, 7pm = 97.7 - AVG = 97.7

> > > >

> > > > 12/26

> > > >

> > > > Lumiscope - 8am = 97.7, 11am = 98.2, 2pm = 98.1

> > -

> > > > AVG

> > > > = 98

> > > >

> > > > Bestmed - 8am = 97.1, 11am = 97.7, 2pm = 97.8 -

> > > AVG

> > > > =

> > > > 97.53

> > > >

> > > > 12/27

> > > >

> > > > Lumiscope - 8am = 97.5, 11am - 98.1, 2 = 98.5, 5

> > =

> > > > 97.8 - AVG = 97.975

> > > >

> > > > Bestmed - 8am = 96.8, 11am = 97.7, 2 = 97.9, 5 =

> > > > 97.4

> > > > - AVG = 97.45

> > > >

> > > > 12/28

> > > >

> > > > Lumiscope - 9:30am = 97.9, 12:30 = 98.3 - AVG =

> > > 98.1

> > > > (forgot to take temp later in the day)

> > > >

> > > > Bestmed - 9:30am - 97.6, 12:30 = 97.7 - AVG =

> > > 97.65

> > > >

> > > > 12/29

> > > >

> > > > Lumiscope - 8am = 97.9, 10 = 97.8, 1 = 97.9, 4 =

> > > > 98.4

> > > > -AVG = 98

> > > >

> > > > Bestmed - 8am = 97.4, 10 = 97.4, 1 = 97.4, 4 =

> > > 97.4

> > > > -

> > > > AVG = 97.4

> > > >

> > > >

> > __________________________________________________

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I think the type of thermometer is not as important as

the fact that you need to be consistent in taking your

temp. For adrenal purposes, you should do it three

times a day, starting about thre-four hours after you

get up and every four hours after ... then you average

the three for your daily average temp. If you use a

mercury thermometer, you need to time yourself and

keep it in your mouth the same amount of time each

time you use it (some say as much as ten minutes are

required). if you use a digital, keep it in the same

spot in your house and sit there each time to take the

temp. Take all variables out if you can except your

temp. Even it the device is not 100% accurate, you

will be getting an idea of whether or not your average

dailyt temp is consistently low, consistly normal,

consistenly high ro all over the place, and that's the

whole point of the exercise, IMO.

Your aim is a daily average temp of 98.6 or close,

every day.

Marti

--- Sammie Baker wrote:

> yes, and i told you that i have that one and it

> doesn't work for me. why do i feel like i'm arguing

> about a thermometer instead of getting advice on my

> info? the site that everyone looks to actually

> recommends the thermometer that i have!!! engineer

> or

> not, i'm covered on the thermometer issue. now i

> need

> advice please. i've used that one and it doesn't

> work. in fact i have two of them!!!!!

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

What about pulse, isn't that as important as temp?

-- Re: - Val & Anyone - Thyroid And/Or Cortisol dose

increase?????

I think the type of thermometer is not as important as

the fact that you need to be consistent in taking your

temp. For adrenal purposes, you should do it three

times a day, starting about thre-four hours after you

get up and every four hours after ... then you average

the three for your daily average temp. If you use a

mercury thermometer, you need to time yourself and

keep it in your mouth the same amount of time each

time you use it (some say as much as ten minutes are

required). if you use a digital, keep it in the same

spot in your house and sit there each time to take the

temp. Take all variables out if you can except your

temp. Even it the device is not 100% accurate, you

will be getting an idea of whether or not your average

dailyt temp is consistently low, consistly normal,

consistenly high ro all over the place, and that's the

whole point of the exercise, IMO.

Your aim is a daily average temp of 98.6 or close,

every day.

Marti

--- Sammie Baker wrote:

> yes, and i told you that i have that one and it

> doesn't work for me. why do i feel like i'm arguing

> about a thermometer instead of getting advice on my

> info? the site that everyone looks to actually

> recommends the thermometer that i have!!! engineer

> or

> not, i'm covered on the thermometer issue. now i

> need

> advice please. i've used that one and it doesn't

> work. in fact i have two of them!!!!!

__________________________________________________

[Guest guest]

I gave a list of tempertures with my daily

averages!!!!

SAMMIE

--- Bonnie wrote:

> I think because in order to help you decide, the

> temperature is the

> most conclusive evidence for them to give you advice

> on what they

> would do for themselves one way or the

> other. If they have no temperature to go by, they

> cannot just take a

> wild guess and tell you either way...

>

> At least this is what I am gleaning from the

> situation

>

> I hope you feel better...

>

> Take care,

> Bonnie

>

>

> > > > > Hi Everyone

> > > > >

> > > > > I apologize in advance for the long post.

> > > > >

> > > > > I wanted to get some insight on how to

> increase

> > > my

> > > > > dose of meds. I really feel like I need to

> > > > increase

> > > > > both my cortisol and thyroid meds. Currently

> I'm

> > > > on

> > > > > 20mgs of cortisol and 3 1/4 grains of

> thyroid-s.

> > > > > I've

> > > > > been on this dose of cortisol for about 5-6

> > > > months.

> > > > > I

> > > > > really dont feel any better at all. I

> started

> > > out

> > > > on

> > > > > 2 1/4 grains of thyroid meds and have added

> > > > another

> > > > > grain since taking the cortisol. Also, when

> I

> > > > start

> > > > > my period, I have to stress dose with double

> my

> > > > > thyroid meds - but usually that doesn't even

> > > cure

> > > > > the

> > > > > migraine and fatigue I get on the day or two

> > > > before

> > > > > my

> > > > > period starts. This is a NEW issue that only

> > > > started

> > > > > when I began taking cortisol. (good times.)

> Val

> > > > has

> > > > > said this is due to cortisol using up

> thyroid

> > > > meds,

> > > > > which makes sense.

> > > > >

> > > > > But my issues still remain. Terrible fatigue

> in

> > > > the

> > > > > am, so I'm assuming my cortisol is still low

> in

> > > > the

> > > > > morning, and gets high at nighttime, making

> > > going

> > > > to

> > > > > bed before 2am, nearly impossible. I've been

> out

> > > > of

> > > > > work for the last 3 months and have been

> able to

> > > > > sleep

> > > > > in until 10am, which has really helped. But

> > > > > financially I had to go back to work and I

> know

> > > > that

> > > > > I

> > > > > really am not ready. And frankly, I'm tired

> of

> > > all

> > > > > this. I need to figure out my proper dosing

> so I

> > > > can

> > > > > get my life back! I spend 90% of my life

> > > resting,

> > > > > with headaches, moving very little from my

> > > couch,

> > > > > especially if I get up before 10am, which I

> will

> > > > > have

> > > > > to do now that I'm working again. Low carbs

> and

> > > > lack

> > > > > of caffeine make me feel much worse. I know

> that

> > > > > this

> > > > > isnt supposed to make things worse, but

> without

> > > it

> > > > > sometimes I can't lift my head.

> > > > >

> > > > > I've been tracking my temps for the last

> week

> > > and

> > > > > this

> > > > > is what I've recorded. Since there is such a

> > > > > variance

> > > > > of my temps between thermometer, I've

> recorded

> > > > with

> > > > > two different types - Lumiscope/Quick Read

> and

> > > > > Bestmed. I have no idea which is correct,

> but

> > > > > ironically, they almost mirror eachother on

> the

> > > > > variances, but differ on the actual number.

> (so

> > > > > frustrating.....) I also should point out

> that I

> > > > > took

> > > > > my first temp at 8am, which is the time I

> SHOULD

> > > > be

> > > > > waking up. BUT, I haven't been getting out

> of

> > > bed

> > > > > until 10am. (I set the alarm and then record

> my

> > > > temp

> > > > > - then go back to bed.) So I record it again

> at

> > > > > 10am,

> > > > > which is my actual waking time. I had this

> week

> > > > off

> > > > > from work, and thus was able to sleep in.

> > > > >

> > > > > I look forward to any insight on what I can

> do

> > > > next.

> > > > >

> > > > > Though it may appear that I'm just HypoT, I

> > > really

> > > > > feel like the horrible am fatigue and high

> > > energy

> > > > at

> > > > > nighttime is from my adrenal issues, but I'm

> so

> > > > > desperate that if someone told me eating cow

> > > dung

> > > > > would make me feel normal and give me my

> body

> > > > back,

> > > > > I'd try it.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks in advance for all insight and help.

> My

> > > > temps

> > > > > and daily averages are below.

> > > > >

> > > > > TEMPS

> > > > >

> > > > > 12/25

> > > > >

> > > > > Lumiscope - 8am = 97.0, 11am = 97.9, 1pm =

> 98.1,

> > > > 4pm

> > > > > =

> > > > > 98.3, 7pm = 98.3 - AVG = 97.92

> > > > >

> > > > > Bestmed - 8am = ?, 11am = 97.5, 1pm = 97.7,

> 4pm

> > > =

> > > > > 97.9, 7pm = 97.7 - AVG = 97.7

> > > > >

> > > > > 12/26

> > > > >

> > > > > Lumiscope - 8am = 97.7, 11am = 98.2, 2pm =

> 98.1

> > > -

> > > > > AVG

> > > > > = 98

> > > > >

> > > > > Bestmed - 8am = 97.1, 11am = 97.7, 2pm =

> 97.8 -

> > > > AVG

> > > > > =

> > > > > 97.53

> > > > >

> > > > > 12/27

> > > > >

> > > > > Lumiscope - 8am = 97.5, 11am - 98.1, 2 =

> 98.5, 5

> > > =

> > > > > 97.8 - AVG = 97.975

> > > > >

> > > > > Bestmed - 8am = 96.8, 11am = 97.7, 2 = 97.9,

> 5 =

> > > > > 97.4

> > > > > - AVG = 97.45

> > > > >

> > > > > 12/28

> > > > >

> > > > > Lumiscope - 9:30am = 97.9, 12:30 = 98.3 -

> AVG =

> > > > 98.1

> > > > > (forgot to take temp later in the day)

> > > > >

> > > > > Bestmed - 9:30am - 97.6, 12:30 = 97.7 - AVG

> =

> > > > 97.65

> > > > >

> > > > > 12/29

> > > > >

> > > > > Lumiscope - 8am = 97.9, 10 = 97.8, 1 = 97.9,

> 4 =

> > > > > 98.4

> > > > > -AVG = 98

> > > > >

> > > > > Bestmed - 8am = 97.4, 10 = 97.4, 1 = 97.4, 4

> =

> > > > 97.4

> > > > > -

> > > > > AVG = 97.4

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > >

> __________________________________________________

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Where is Val??? I did all this. I'm totally

repeating myself........

SAMMIE

--- Martha Lovejoy wrote:

> I think the type of thermometer is not as important

> as

> the fact that you need to be consistent in taking

> your

> temp. For adrenal purposes, you should do it three

> times a day, starting about thre-four hours after

> you

> get up and every four hours after ... then you

> average

> the three for your daily average temp. If you use a

> mercury thermometer, you need to time yourself and

> keep it in your mouth the same amount of time each

> time you use it (some say as much as ten minutes are

> required). if you use a digital, keep it in the

> same

> spot in your house and sit there each time to take

> the

> temp. Take all variables out if you can except your

> temp. Even it the device is not 100% accurate, you

> will be getting an idea of whether or not your

> average

> dailyt temp is consistently low, consistly normal,

> consistenly high ro all over the place, and that's

> the

> whole point of the exercise, IMO.

>

> Your aim is a daily average temp of 98.6 or close,

> every day.

>

> Marti

> --- Sammie Baker wrote:

>

> > yes, and i told you that i have that one and it

> > doesn't work for me. why do i feel like i'm

> arguing

> > about a thermometer instead of getting advice on

> my

> > info? the site that everyone looks to actually

> > recommends the thermometer that i have!!!

> engineer

> > or

> > not, i'm covered on the thermometer issue. now i

> > need

> > advice please. i've used that one and it doesn't

> > work. in fact i have two of them!!!!!

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>

[Guest guest]

>>What about pulse, isn't that as important as temp? <<

Pulse is important, it is a confusing symptom that I do not use for this reason.

Too many things can raise or lower it. Low cortisol or high cortisol can raise

it. Low thyroid can lower it, adrenaline can raise it, so how do you figure out

what is doing what?

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[Guest guest]

OK I just went back and found your post with the temps. I woudl use the

Lumiscope thermometer, and I would raise Armoru. No more tha 15MG. then

hold for a coupe weeks and see hoow you feel. You are really close to

showing fluctuations which would be adrenal, but not quite enough to sya

so. so the extra Armoru could cause adrenal symptoms, if it does, stress

dose for three days with a little extra HC, then go bakc to your current

dose.

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[Guest guest]

>>Where is Val??? I did all this. I'm totally

repeating myself........<<

Sorry Sammie, i work full time especially on weekends and I got real behind on

emails the past 2 days. I will try to get better!

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[Guest guest]

Val writes:

>I would raise Armoru. No more tha 15MG. then

hold for a coupe weeks and see hoow you feel. You are really close to

showing fluctuations which would be adrenal, but not quite enough to sya

so. so the extra Armoru could cause adrenal symptoms, if it does, stress

dose for three days with a little extra HC, then go bakc to your current

dose.>

Val,

Am I understanding you to say that you should stress dose hc when raising

armour and then after 3 days on the new armour dose and the increased

h.c., go back down to normal hc dose?

I just raised my armour by 15 mgs., and I'm needing to stress dose--a

little shakey, and fluctuating temps. I didn't know if I should just

drop the extra 15 mgs and try again in a few days, or stay on it and

stress dose with h.c.??

Your advice would be great!

thanks, and happy new year Val,

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

>>I just raised my armour by 15 mgs., and I'm needing to stress dose--a

little shakey, and fluctuating temps. I didn't know if I should just

drop the extra 15 mgs and try again in a few days, or stay on it and

stress dose with h.c.??<<

Val: >You can try stress dosing for each raise, but if after three days

you are still having adrenal symtooms it is better to go back down and

just try the raise in antoher week or so unless yoiu feel ou just need

more HC all the time.>

Val,

thanks for the timely advice!

I'm going on a bit of a stressful trip for a couple of days and can't

tell the diff in my stress, if it's from raising armour or the stress, so

I'm going to wait a while before attempting an armour increase. Mean

time, I'm stress dosing h.c. 10mg 3x a day for the next couple of days.

Does that sound ok?

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

Yes that sounds very sensible. I always try to never have two stresses

going on at once! Increasing ArmruIS a form of stress on the adrenals so

wait til you are bakc from your trip to try that increase.

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[Guest guest]

Hi, ,

Did your endo say what causes the growth hormone to be low? I'm

curious because my daughter's is low.

Any side effects or major concerns about the GH injectable.

I have googled & googled on the low GH matter and not gotten anything

that talks about the " why " .

Warmly,

>

> Sammie:

>

> Since you have been on a dose of Armour that is not particularly

low, and

> you have on HC too, could there be another problem, like growth hormone

> deficiency. My endo said that the 3 work together and if one is low it

> throws the others off. The reason I mention growth hormone is that the

> morning fatigue was terrible before I started using GH injectable.

It felt

> like I had the flu every morning when I woke up.

> You might have a severe growth hormone deficiency. I started feeling so

> much better within a week cause I was so low on GH.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mine may be due to Lyme Disease or it may be due to having worked with it in

the lab, in the radioactive form. I did get contaminated in the late 80's.

It hit my thyroid since we were using Iodine 125 to label the growth hormone

Environmental toxins may shut it down as well.

How old is your daughter and how did you know she had low growth hormone?

The test is called somatomadin C or IGF1 levels.

-- Re: - Val & Anyone - Thyroid And/Or Cortisol dose

increase?????

Hi, ,

Did your endo say what causes the growth hormone to be low? I'm

curious because my daughter's is low.

Any side effects or major concerns about the GH injectable.

I have googled & googled on the low GH matter and not gotten anything

that talks about the " why " .

Warmly,

>

> Sammie:

>

> Since you have been on a dose of Armour that is not particularly

low, and

> you have on HC too, could there be another problem, like growth hormone

> deficiency. My endo said that the 3 work together and if one is low it

> throws the others off. The reason I mention growth hormone is that the

> morning fatigue was terrible before I started using GH injectable.

It felt

> like I had the flu every morning when I woke up.

> You might have a severe growth hormone deficiency. I started feeling so

> much better within a week cause I was so low on GH.

>

>

>