Re: Started light adrenal support, feel worse>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/01/2007 18:44:23 GMT Standard Time,

pmgamer18@... writes:

Are you charting you temps like this link on

Hi

I have been charting mine recently since increasing to 35 mg h.c and they

are all over the place.

Worried now because I have nowhere to go with the h.c, I certainly cannot go

any higher.

Does anyone have any thoughts on this that might help me?

Thanks.

Mo

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[Guest guest]

Can you post your temps it they are steady and not up at 98.6 you may be able to

start back on Armour doing only 15mgs. See if your temp goes up this is what

mine did it would go up then in 2 to 3 weeks go back down. This is when I would

add 15mgs more. Are you charting you temps like this link on a his chart if not

this helps. I fee this is the best tool to tell what are Adrenals and Thyriod

are doing.

http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions

Phil

delideger wrote:

after several years of being on it, I had to go off of Armour, slowly

weaning down to none over the period of 8 months or so.....just

couldn't tolreate it any more like I used to. My temps never did come

up no matter what I Idid anyway.

Now that I have been on adrenal support ONLY for the last couple of

weeks, my temps are finally up and even a bit high.

Will be intresting to see what happens over a little period of

time....been so ill for so long.

~Inga

> We are talking about daily averages and not basal, right? I don't

> feel any worse when my temps. are .6 tenths of a degree lower but I

> do have terrible cramps when I get my period at that time and I

> don't have any of the symptoms of endometriosis. I think Dr. Rind

> is wrong also and Dr. 's theory makes more sense because if

> you feel well at temps. that are lower, then it should be okay.

> Ever since I started HC, I've felt totally better and wondering if

> I'm still hypothyroid anymore!!! I guess the only way to tell is if

> I have the saliva test for T3 and T4. I hear that sometimes

> hypothyroid is a symptom of untreated adrenals!

[Guest guest]

I've been off Armour for about 3 months now and taking HC. I've been up to 20mg

for the past 3 weeks and my temps have averaged 98.6 with no fluctuations. I

track them everyday and have been very diligent about it. Even taking my temp.

in public...LOL! It dropped as soon as I got my period. Since your not a woman,

I don't think you would understand this as well. I don't think I need Armour. If

my temps. go up again in two weeks to 98.6 average, then this is not a thyroid

problem, right?

philip georgian wrote: Can you post your temps it

they are steady and not up at 98.6 you may be able to start back on Armour doing

only 15mgs. See if your temp goes up this is what mine did it would go up then

in 2 to 3 weeks go back down. This is when I would add 15mgs more. Are you

charting you temps like this link on a his chart if not this helps. I fee this

is the best tool to tell what are Adrenals and Thyriod are doing.

http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions

Phil

delideger wrote:

after several years of being on it, I had to go off of Armour, slowly

weaning down to none over the period of 8 months or so.....just

couldn't tolreate it any more like I used to. My temps never did come

up no matter what I Idid anyway.

Now that I have been on adrenal support ONLY for the last couple of

weeks, my temps are finally up and even a bit high.

Will be intresting to see what happens over a little period of

time....been so ill for so long.

~Inga

> We are talking about daily averages and not basal, right? I don't

> feel any worse when my temps. are .6 tenths of a degree lower but I

> do have terrible cramps when I get my period at that time and I

> don't have any of the symptoms of endometriosis. I think Dr. Rind

> is wrong also and Dr. 's theory makes more sense because if

> you feel well at temps. that are lower, then it should be okay.

> Ever since I started HC, I've felt totally better and wondering if

> I'm still hypothyroid anymore!!! I guess the only way to tell is if

> I have the saliva test for T3 and T4. I hear that sometimes

> hypothyroid is a symptom of untreated adrenals!

[Guest guest]

Also, I wonder if your temps. would go up again in a couple of weeks without

adding the 15mg. of Armour? Has this ever been the case?

philip georgian wrote: Can you post your temps it

they are steady and not up at 98.6 you may be able to start back on Armour doing

only 15mgs. See if your temp goes up this is what mine did it would go up then

in 2 to 3 weeks go back down. This is when I would add 15mgs more. Are you

charting you temps like this link on a his chart if not this helps. I fee this

is the best tool to tell what are Adrenals and Thyriod are doing.

http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions

Phil

delideger wrote:

after several years of being on it, I had to go off of Armour, slowly

weaning down to none over the period of 8 months or so.....just

couldn't tolreate it any more like I used to. My temps never did come

up no matter what I Idid anyway.

Now that I have been on adrenal support ONLY for the last couple of

weeks, my temps are finally up and even a bit high.

Will be intresting to see what happens over a little period of

time....been so ill for so long.

~Inga

> We are talking about daily averages and not basal, right? I don't

> feel any worse when my temps. are .6 tenths of a degree lower but I

> do have terrible cramps when I get my period at that time and I

> don't have any of the symptoms of endometriosis. I think Dr. Rind

> is wrong also and Dr. 's theory makes more sense because if

> you feel well at temps. that are lower, then it should be okay.

> Ever since I started HC, I've felt totally better and wondering if

> I'm still hypothyroid anymore!!! I guess the only way to tell is if

> I have the saliva test for T3 and T4. I hear that sometimes

> hypothyroid is a symptom of untreated adrenals!

[Guest guest]

after several years of being on it, I had to go off of Armour, slowly

weaning down to none over the period of 8 months or so.....just

couldn't tolreate it any more like I used to. My temps never did come

up no matter what I Idid anyway.

Now that I have been on adrenal support ONLY for the last couple of

weeks, my temps are finally up and even a bit high.

Will be intresting to see what happens over a little period of

time....been so ill for so long.

~Inga

> We are talking about daily averages and not basal, right? I don't

> feel any worse when my temps. are .6 tenths of a degree lower but I

> do have terrible cramps when I get my period at that time and I

> don't have any of the symptoms of endometriosis. I think Dr. Rind

> is wrong also and Dr. 's theory makes more sense because if

> you feel well at temps. that are lower, then it should be okay.

> Ever since I started HC, I've felt totally better and wondering if

> I'm still hypothyroid anymore!!! I guess the only way to tell is if

> I have the saliva test for T3 and T4. I hear that sometimes

> hypothyroid is a symptom of untreated adrenals!

[Guest guest]

after several years of being on it, I had to go off of Armour, slowly

weaning down to none over the period of 8 months or so.....just

couldn't tolreate it any more like I used to. My temps never did come

up no matter what I Idid anyway.

Now that I have been on adrenal support ONLY for the last couple of

weeks, my temps are finally up and even a bit high.

Will be intresting to see what happens over a little period of

time....been so ill for so long.

~Inga

> We are talking about daily averages and not basal, right? I don't

> feel any worse when my temps. are .6 tenths of a degree lower but I

> do have terrible cramps when I get my period at that time and I

> don't have any of the symptoms of endometriosis. I think Dr. Rind

> is wrong also and Dr. 's theory makes more sense because if

> you feel well at temps. that are lower, then it should be okay.

> Ever since I started HC, I've felt totally better and wondering if

> I'm still hypothyroid anymore!!! I guess the only way to tell is if

> I have the saliva test for T3 and T4. I hear that sometimes

> hypothyroid is a symptom of untreated adrenals!

[Guest guest]

Have you done labs on your thyrid Free T3 and Free T4 this is only a tool but if

your feeling ok and your labs are good no you would not need Thyroid meds. But

then how did you get started on them in the first place.

As for women's hormones I have been on hormone meds for the last 23 yrs. I

don't make Testosterone. In order to under stand my problems I had to read a

lot about Estronges. My Estradol goes way up converting from the Testosterone

meds I take. So I have to take Arimidex to keep my Estreadiol down. So I am up

on how women's hormones work.

Phil

wrote:

I've been off Armour for about 3 months now and taking HC. I've been

up to 20mg for the past 3 weeks and my temps have averaged 98.6 with no

fluctuations. I track them everyday and have been very diligent about it. Even

taking my temp. in public...LOL! It dropped as soon as I got my period. Since

your not a woman, I don't think you would understand this as well. I don't think

I need Armour. If my temps. go up again in two weeks to 98.6 average, then this

is not a thyroid problem, right?

philip georgian wrote: Can you post your temps it they are

steady and not up at 98.6 you may be able to start back on Armour doing only

15mgs. See if your temp goes up this is what mine did it would go up then in 2

to 3 weeks go back down. This is when I would add 15mgs more. Are you charting

you temps like this link on a his chart if not this helps. I fee this is the

best tool to tell what are Adrenals and Thyriod are doing.

http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions

Phil

delideger wrote:

after several years of being on it, I had to go off of Armour, slowly

weaning down to none over the period of 8 months or so.....just

couldn't tolreate it any more like I used to. My temps never did come

up no matter what I Idid anyway.

Now that I have been on adrenal support ONLY for the last couple of

weeks, my temps are finally up and even a bit high.

Will be intresting to see what happens over a little period of

time....been so ill for so long.

~Inga

> We are talking about daily averages and not basal, right? I don't

> feel any worse when my temps. are .6 tenths of a degree lower but I

> do have terrible cramps when I get my period at that time and I

> don't have any of the symptoms of endometriosis. I think Dr. Rind

> is wrong also and Dr. 's theory makes more sense because if

> you feel well at temps. that are lower, then it should be okay.

> Ever since I started HC, I've felt totally better and wondering if

> I'm still hypothyroid anymore!!! I guess the only way to tell is if

> I have the saliva test for T3 and T4. I hear that sometimes

> hypothyroid is a symptom of untreated adrenals!

[Guest guest]

Try it and see most of all hormone treatment is about trying it and playing with

the dose. Keep a record on how your feeling and what your doing. See how it

goes.

Phil

wrote:

Phil - I'm assuming they are referring to the basal temps? I was

wondering about daily averages and if they are a bit lower too from this

ovulation cycle. Since my daily averages around this time are about 98.0, do you

think I need to supplement with progesterone to get my temps. up a little

higher? Let me know...thanks!

philip georgian wrote:

Here I have this link in my files.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070106102554AAE6myM

Phil

wrote:

Yes, I am low in both T3 and T4. I had a saliva test for them about four months

ago. TSH was off the chart (real bad in saliva) but only 5.25 for blood. Saliva

showed Hashimotos too. I just thought that by being hypo my daily average temps

would be overall LOW throughout the month but they are only low 2 weeks out of

the month. Do you think this pattern could be progesterone/estrogen related (I'm

only 38)?

philip georgian wrote: Have you done labs on your thyrid

Free T3 and Free T4 this is only a tool but if your feeling ok and your labs are

good no you would not need Thyroid meds. But then how did you get started on

them in the first place.

As for women's hormones I have been on hormone meds for the last 23 yrs. I don't

make Testosterone. In order to under stand my problems I had to read a lot about

Estronges. My Estradol goes way up converting from the Testosterone meds I take.

So I have to take Arimidex to keep my Estreadiol down. So I am up on how women's

hormones work.

Phil

wrote:

I've been off Armour for about 3 months now and taking HC. I've been up to 20mg

for the past 3 weeks and my temps have averaged 98.6 with no fluctuations. I

track them everyday and have been very diligent about it. Even taking my temp.

in public...LOL! It dropped as soon as I got my period. Since your not a woman,

I don't think you would understand this as well. I don't think I need Armour. If

my temps. go up again in two weeks to 98.6 average, then this is not a thyroid

problem, right?

philip georgian wrote: Can you post your temps it they are

steady and not up at 98.6 you may be able to start back on Armour doing only

15mgs. See if your temp goes up this is what mine did it would go up then in 2

to 3 weeks go back down. This is when I would add 15mgs more. Are you charting

you temps like this link on a his chart if not this helps. I fee this is the

best tool to tell what are Adrenals and Thyriod are doing.

http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions

Phil

delideger wrote:

after several years of being on it, I had to go off of Armour, slowly

weaning down to none over the period of 8 months or so.....just

couldn't tolreate it any more like I used to. My temps never did come

up no matter what I Idid anyway.

Now that I have been on adrenal support ONLY for the last couple of

weeks, my temps are finally up and even a bit high.

Will be intresting to see what happens over a little period of

time....been so ill for so long.

~Inga

> We are talking about daily averages and not basal, right? I don't

> feel any worse when my temps. are .6 tenths of a degree lower but I

> do have terrible cramps when I get my period at that time and I

> don't have any of the symptoms of endometriosis. I think Dr. Rind

> is wrong also and Dr. 's theory makes more sense because if

> you feel well at temps. that are lower, then it should be okay.

> Ever since I started HC, I've felt totally better and wondering if

> I'm still hypothyroid anymore!!! I guess the only way to tell is if

> I have the saliva test for T3 and T4. I hear that sometimes

> hypothyroid is a symptom of untreated adrenals!