Re: Low carb veggies (was: oatmeal)

[Guest guest]

actually, those are the ones i'm trying to eat. our community is known for

luscious tomatoes, and that's hard. but i didn't get any today. and i love

corn. but i decided to try to forget it.

and to the other person (sorry, i accidentally deleted the email), think

what i'm doing right now is punishing myself because when i was caring for

mom, i yelled some, and i even blamed her for the onset of diabetes. it

might have been true, but i still feel so horrible for fussing at her because

it was all her fault.

i have issues about that, and i think i probably need to work that out first.

most caregivers have guilt, and regrets, and all that stuff. you blame

yourself for human frailities, and for not being able to keep going and

going and going. and not being able to be civil without sleep, proper

foods, or a break. and when i start doing that, the food, i think, is what

i do to punish myself. so i guess (rather than rambling), i need to get

some counselling on this. and then try to fix the diet. pat

>

> Some veggies are good, and some are not. The " good ones " include most

> leafy

> veggies, like spinach, cabbage, lettuce, etc., and broccoli, cauliflower,

> etc. Tomatoes are higher in sugar, so I use them only in very limited

>

[Guest guest]

actually, those are the ones i'm trying to eat. our community is known for

luscious tomatoes, and that's hard. but i didn't get any today. and i love

corn. but i decided to try to forget it.

and to the other person (sorry, i accidentally deleted the email), think

what i'm doing right now is punishing myself because when i was caring for

mom, i yelled some, and i even blamed her for the onset of diabetes. it

might have been true, but i still feel so horrible for fussing at her because

it was all her fault.

i have issues about that, and i think i probably need to work that out first.

most caregivers have guilt, and regrets, and all that stuff. you blame

yourself for human frailities, and for not being able to keep going and

going and going. and not being able to be civil without sleep, proper

foods, or a break. and when i start doing that, the food, i think, is what

i do to punish myself. so i guess (rather than rambling), i need to get

some counselling on this. and then try to fix the diet. pat

>

> Some veggies are good, and some are not. The " good ones " include most

> leafy

> veggies, like spinach, cabbage, lettuce, etc., and broccoli, cauliflower,

> etc. Tomatoes are higher in sugar, so I use them only in very limited

>

[Guest guest]

i lvoe fresh corn on cob, so prob ably not easy. lucky it's only fresh for

a few months. and as with so many other dshes, it was one of mom's favs,

and i can't eat stuff i associate with her right now. too bad she didn't

love sweets. pat

>

> Corn is easy to give up once you realize that it's not a vegetable. It's a

>

> grain, just like wheat and oats.

>

[Guest guest]

i lvoe fresh corn on cob, so prob ably not easy. lucky it's only fresh for

a few months. and as with so many other dshes, it was one of mom's favs,

and i can't eat stuff i associate with her right now. too bad she didn't

love sweets. pat

>

> Corn is easy to give up once you realize that it's not a vegetable. It's a

>

> grain, just like wheat and oats.

>

[Guest guest]

Corn is easy to give up once you realize that it's not a vegetable. It's a

grain, just like wheat and oats.

Robin G.

>From: pat0829@...

>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>To: diabetes_int

>Subject: Re: Low carb veggies (was: oatmeal)

>Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:35:21 EDT

>

>actually, those are the ones i'm trying to eat. our community is known

>for

>luscious tomatoes, and that's hard. but i didn't get any today. and i

>love

>corn. but i decided to try to forget it.

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[Guest guest]

Corn is easy to give up once you realize that it's not a vegetable. It's a

grain, just like wheat and oats.

Robin G.

>From: pat0829@...

>Reply-To: diabetes_int

>To: diabetes_int

>Subject: Re: Low carb veggies (was: oatmeal)

>Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2002 21:35:21 EDT

>

>actually, those are the ones i'm trying to eat. our community is known

>for

>luscious tomatoes, and that's hard. but i didn't get any today. and i

>love

>corn. but i decided to try to forget it.

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[Guest guest]

> i lvoe fresh corn on cob, so prob ably not easy. lucky it's only

fresh for

> a few months.

Pat, are you low carbing or moderate carbing? Some of us, myself

included, eat about 100 carbs a day, spread out throughout the day,

so that allows for some of these foods to be added in IN MODERATION.

I also try to avoid too much saturated fat and salt, so some of the

things the low carbers snack on won't work for me. One of my

favorites is a piece of flat bread (8 g. carbs) spread with a

tablespoon of hummus (about 2.5 g. carbs). Because I eat 3 meals and

2 snacks a day, this is enough to satisfy me. I also sometimes snack

on a handful of almonds. My bedtime snack is a graham cracker with a

spread of fresh peanut butter (no salt, sugar or preservatives),

accompanied by a cup of green tea. There are also many types of

crackers you can eat with cheese or meat topping, where 4 or 5 of

them will be 10 grams of carbs or less.

Christy

[Guest guest]

> i lvoe fresh corn on cob, so prob ably not easy. lucky it's only

fresh for

> a few months.

Pat, are you low carbing or moderate carbing? Some of us, myself

included, eat about 100 carbs a day, spread out throughout the day,

so that allows for some of these foods to be added in IN MODERATION.

I also try to avoid too much saturated fat and salt, so some of the

things the low carbers snack on won't work for me. One of my

favorites is a piece of flat bread (8 g. carbs) spread with a

tablespoon of hummus (about 2.5 g. carbs). Because I eat 3 meals and

2 snacks a day, this is enough to satisfy me. I also sometimes snack

on a handful of almonds. My bedtime snack is a graham cracker with a

spread of fresh peanut butter (no salt, sugar or preservatives),

accompanied by a cup of green tea. There are also many types of

crackers you can eat with cheese or meat topping, where 4 or 5 of

them will be 10 grams of carbs or less.

Christy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/4/02 12:54:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jtbolen@... writes:

> in

> sodas) and corn starch is a widely used thickener. Sugars and starches, of

> course, are the classical forms of carbs.

>

well, tom, like i said, for me, it's easy. if it's now here, i don't eat

it. and it's too hot to go out in the evenings and get stuff; and i'm not a

morning person.

but i'm gonna be my own trained seal. i'm by myself, with no one to take

care of me, so i guess i'd better start doing it myself. no corn; no

potatoes; no bread; no sugar. or maybe a once a month treat, if i'm good.

pat (but absolutely no donuts)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/4/02 12:54:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jtbolen@... writes:

> in

> sodas) and corn starch is a widely used thickener. Sugars and starches, of

> course, are the classical forms of carbs.

>

well, tom, like i said, for me, it's easy. if it's now here, i don't eat

it. and it's too hot to go out in the evenings and get stuff; and i'm not a

morning person.

but i'm gonna be my own trained seal. i'm by myself, with no one to take

care of me, so i guess i'd better start doing it myself. no corn; no

potatoes; no bread; no sugar. or maybe a once a month treat, if i'm good.

pat (but absolutely no donuts)

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/4/02 12:54:11 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

jtbolen@... writes:

> in

> sodas) and corn starch is a widely used thickener. Sugars and starches, of

> course, are the classical forms of carbs.

>

well, tom, like i said, for me, it's easy. if it's now here, i don't eat

it. and it's too hot to go out in the evenings and get stuff; and i'm not a

morning person.

but i'm gonna be my own trained seal. i'm by myself, with no one to take

care of me, so i guess i'd better start doing it myself. no corn; no

potatoes; no bread; no sugar. or maybe a once a month treat, if i'm good.

pat (but absolutely no donuts)

[Guest guest]

Well, good for you, Pat, that's the idea...however, I want to briefly explore

(if you don't mind) your sentence " ..with no one to take care of me. " As a

single woman for 20+ years (after two husbands, smile) I've been " taking care

of myself " for a long time now ...and I like it just fine.

What do you mean by " no one to take care of me " ? Do you mean someone to nag

you about the things you should be doing on your own -- and for your own

benefit -- anyway? Or are you referring to someone to love and live with

(quite a different thing)?

I find the idea of one adult " taking care " of another ludicrous -- except if

the person is physically disabled in a way that precludes them from

performing what docs call " activities of daily living " .

I " took care " of my kids...until they got big enough to do it for themselves.

My younger daughter - now 35 - recently told me that she mightily resented

having to make her own school lunches at age ten. I called it good practice,

smile.

Vicki, who enjoys taking care of herself.

In a message dated 06/04/2002 10:32:39 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

pat0829@... writes:

> but i'm gonna be my own trained seal. i'm by myself, with no one to take

> care of me, so i guess i'd better start doing it myself.

[Guest guest]

Well, good for you, Pat, that's the idea...however, I want to briefly explore

(if you don't mind) your sentence " ..with no one to take care of me. " As a

single woman for 20+ years (after two husbands, smile) I've been " taking care

of myself " for a long time now ...and I like it just fine.

What do you mean by " no one to take care of me " ? Do you mean someone to nag

you about the things you should be doing on your own -- and for your own

benefit -- anyway? Or are you referring to someone to love and live with

(quite a different thing)?

I find the idea of one adult " taking care " of another ludicrous -- except if

the person is physically disabled in a way that precludes them from

performing what docs call " activities of daily living " .

I " took care " of my kids...until they got big enough to do it for themselves.

My younger daughter - now 35 - recently told me that she mightily resented

having to make her own school lunches at age ten. I called it good practice,

smile.

Vicki, who enjoys taking care of herself.

In a message dated 06/04/2002 10:32:39 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

pat0829@... writes:

> but i'm gonna be my own trained seal. i'm by myself, with no one to take

> care of me, so i guess i'd better start doing it myself.

[Guest guest]

no, i'm taking care of self quite well NOW. i mean when i'm older, and

without digits, or blind, or whatever, from not behaving now. i have no

children to take care of me like i did mom. i mean i'm relegated to nursing

home when the time comes, because there's no one out there to care for this

old woman. but hopefully, that's a long ways down the road. pat

>

> What do you mean by " no one to take care of me " ? Do you mean someone to

> nag

> you about the things you should be doing on your own -- and for your own

>

[Guest guest]

no, i'm taking care of self quite well NOW. i mean when i'm older, and

without digits, or blind, or whatever, from not behaving now. i have no

children to take care of me like i did mom. i mean i'm relegated to nursing

home when the time comes, because there's no one out there to care for this

old woman. but hopefully, that's a long ways down the road. pat

>

> What do you mean by " no one to take care of me " ? Do you mean someone to

> nag

> you about the things you should be doing on your own -- and for your own

>

[Guest guest]

no, i'm taking care of self quite well NOW. i mean when i'm older, and

without digits, or blind, or whatever, from not behaving now. i have no

children to take care of me like i did mom. i mean i'm relegated to nursing

home when the time comes, because there's no one out there to care for this

old woman. but hopefully, that's a long ways down the road. pat

>

> What do you mean by " no one to take care of me " ? Do you mean someone to

> nag

> you about the things you should be doing on your own -- and for your own

>

[Guest guest]

> -----Original Message-----

> From: pat0829@...

>

> i lvoe fresh corn on cob, so prob ably not easy. lucky it's

One way to understand the dangers of corn is to realize that corn syrup is

probably the most widely used from of sugar for commercial sweetening (as in

sodas) and corn starch is a widely used thickener. Sugars and starches, of

course, are the classical forms of carbs.

Tom the Actuary

[Guest guest]

> -----Original Message-----

> From: pat0829@...

>

> i lvoe fresh corn on cob, so prob ably not easy. lucky it's

One way to understand the dangers of corn is to realize that corn syrup is

probably the most widely used from of sugar for commercial sweetening (as in

sodas) and corn starch is a widely used thickener. Sugars and starches, of

course, are the classical forms of carbs.

Tom the Actuary

[Guest guest]

> -----Original Message-----

> From: pat0829@...

>

> i lvoe fresh corn on cob, so prob ably not easy. lucky it's

One way to understand the dangers of corn is to realize that corn syrup is

probably the most widely used from of sugar for commercial sweetening (as in

sodas) and corn starch is a widely used thickener. Sugars and starches, of

course, are the classical forms of carbs.

Tom the Actuary

[Guest guest]

Ah...that's okay, I guess. Although I must say, having kids isn't necessarily

a guarantee that they'll take care of you in your old age. My two daughters

have talked about it but to tell the truth, I don't think I could stand to

live with either of them as an old lady, smile. I'm just going to live on my

own until I can't any more and t hen I guess I'll go to an assisted living

situation. They're not all awful, you know.

My own mother, who just had her 98th birthday, was just recently convinced to

go to an assisted living situation...although it was well past the time she

should have not been living on her own (being nearly totally deaf and with

severe balance problems) she stubbornly refused to live anywhere else...until

my brother and I put our foot (feet?) down. Living with either of us would

not have been possible since we both work fulltime (and I even live in

another state). She's now in a very clean, nice foster home in a very nice

residential area with two caring fulltime caretakers and only two other

residents - both younger than her but she's in the best physical shape. I

feel pretty comfortable with that - and she seems happy there now after

initial adjustment. Vicki

In a message dated 06/04/2002 11:40:24 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

pat0829@... writes:

> no, i'm taking care of self quite well NOW. i mean when i'm older, and

> without digits, or blind, or whatever, from not behaving now. i have no

> children to take care of me like i did mom. i mean i'm relegated to

> nursing

> home when the time comes, because there's no one out there to care for this

>

> old woman. but hopefully, that's a long ways down the road. pat

[Guest guest]

actually, i guess you're right. someone just came to assess our

house/property and said that his wife's mom was being put in assisted

living. other neighbors had their mom's in the same nursing home with mom,

only one is still there after 12 years. the other died there. mom came

back home with me. i find most people can't afford the luxury of being at

home with parents.

i was lucky. i work out of the home, so i was here. and since my business

was almost a charitable institution (and not by choice), it was not hard to

give up my 'business' so that mom would not have to be in a home.

but i'm gonna be back on here later tonite (just running in every so often

now to take a break from my weaving), and going to do research on carbs.

then tomorrow, i will visit the big market, and get some vegies, some fruits

(or not), and some seafood. and if they have it, some fresh herbs.

i'm determined to be " a winner " now. for some reason, i'm feeling better

about me, and that in turn is making me feel like dinner tonite will be a

treat--salad with egg, cuke, gr. pepper, sea legs (after i check the label),

and without the tomato. and i need to check dressings and may just have to

make my own. pat

>

> Ah...that's okay, I guess. Although I must say, having kids isn't

> necessarily

> a guarantee that they'll take care of you in your old age. My two

> daughters

>

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 6/4/02 3:24:48 AM !!!First Boot!!!, macey110@...

writes:

wow how do you sleep? Green tea has a ton of caffiene.

Kathy

<< My bedtime snack is a graham cracker with a

spread of fresh peanut butter (no salt, sugar or preservatives),

accompanied by a cup of green tea. >>

[Guest guest]

well, i got up this morning, and uncle was here to cut grass, so i went out

and cut down hedge growing in everything, and kinda exercised for that 1 1/2

hours doing yard work. came back in and am now drinking my iced coffee, and

having an egg and ham (but i think it's honey ham). i'm going to test in a

few minutes, and then test again in an hour, and then again in another hour.

i'm interested in seeing how good that works. if it does, i will take my

meds when i get up, go in the yard and work some while waiting for the meds

to take effect, and that will replace the walking i can't seem to get started

on. and i guess the walking comes with my dragging these bushes through

the yard and across the street. lol pat

>

> Pat, are you low carbing or moderate carbing? Some of us, myself

> included, eat about 100 carbs a day, spread out throughout the day,

>

[Guest guest]

well, i got up this morning, and uncle was here to cut grass, so i went out

and cut down hedge growing in everything, and kinda exercised for that 1 1/2

hours doing yard work. came back in and am now drinking my iced coffee, and

having an egg and ham (but i think it's honey ham). i'm going to test in a

few minutes, and then test again in an hour, and then again in another hour.

i'm interested in seeing how good that works. if it does, i will take my

meds when i get up, go in the yard and work some while waiting for the meds

to take effect, and that will replace the walking i can't seem to get started

on. and i guess the walking comes with my dragging these bushes through

the yard and across the street. lol pat

>

> Pat, are you low carbing or moderate carbing? Some of us, myself

> included, eat about 100 carbs a day, spread out throughout the day,

>

[Guest guest]

well, i got up this morning, and uncle was here to cut grass, so i went out

and cut down hedge growing in everything, and kinda exercised for that 1 1/2

hours doing yard work. came back in and am now drinking my iced coffee, and

having an egg and ham (but i think it's honey ham). i'm going to test in a

few minutes, and then test again in an hour, and then again in another hour.

i'm interested in seeing how good that works. if it does, i will take my

meds when i get up, go in the yard and work some while waiting for the meds

to take effect, and that will replace the walking i can't seem to get started

on. and i guess the walking comes with my dragging these bushes through

the yard and across the street. lol pat

>

> Pat, are you low carbing or moderate carbing? Some of us, myself

> included, eat about 100 carbs a day, spread out throughout the day,

>