Re: Hi Guys - Help Please - Thanks

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from Kathy in NJ:

>I took my HC and Armour (2.5 grains) together this morning at 7:30

>am and felt ok. Around 11:oo I felt tired but waited to do 5mg HC

>at 11:30. At noon I took my second dose (1.5 grains) of Armour and

>right now I'm wiped.

Hi Kathy,

Maybe 4 hour dosing on the armour is too much for you right now....I take

my armour 6-8 hours apart and I don't get wiped out or the jitters. I

don't know how others dose their armour???

Just my 2 cents,

Dahlia

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Hi Dahlia,

You might have a good point there - thanks for the suggestion. Will

try to do the dosing farther apart. Worth a shot. I did it 4 hours

apart originally so that I could take it the same time as the HC and

avoid confusion. Today I took 2.5 when I got up at 7 and will dose

again at around 1pm to see how it goes. I don't want to dose much

after 2pm because I'm afraid I won't sleep. It hasn't happened to

me yet but I don't want it to either. I've read too many posts from

people on the NTH board that can't sleep.

I'm usually up at 5:30am and since being off this week for the

holidays I'm getting up at 7 or 7:30 - I hope I'm not throwing off

my system taking the HC later than I normally would.

Ugh - 4 years of this and I still don't have it right. At least I

have a doc who prescribes Armour and goes by the frees and not TSH.

Kathy in NJ

>

> from Kathy in NJ:

>

> >I took my HC and Armour (2.5 grains) together this morning at

7:30

> >am and felt ok. Around 11:oo I felt tired but waited to do 5mg HC

> >at 11:30. At noon I took my second dose (1.5 grains) of Armour

and

> >right now I'm wiped.

>

> Hi Kathy,

>

> Maybe 4 hour dosing on the armour is too much for you right

now....I take

> my armour 6-8 hours apart and I don't get wiped out or the

jitters. I

> don't know how others dose their armour???

> Just my 2 cents,

> Dahlia

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Dahlia,

You might have a good point there - thanks for the suggestion. Will

try to do the dosing farther apart. Worth a shot. I did it 4 hours

apart originally so that I could take it the same time as the HC and

avoid confusion. Today I took 2.5 when I got up at 7 and will dose

again at around 1pm to see how it goes. I don't want to dose much

after 2pm because I'm afraid I won't sleep. It hasn't happened to

me yet but I don't want it to either. I've read too many posts from

people on the NTH board that can't sleep.

I'm usually up at 5:30am and since being off this week for the

holidays I'm getting up at 7 or 7:30 - I hope I'm not throwing off

my system taking the HC later than I normally would.

Ugh - 4 years of this and I still don't have it right. At least I

have a doc who prescribes Armour and goes by the frees and not TSH.

Kathy in NJ

>

> from Kathy in NJ:

>

> >I took my HC and Armour (2.5 grains) together this morning at

7:30

> >am and felt ok. Around 11:oo I felt tired but waited to do 5mg HC

> >at 11:30. At noon I took my second dose (1.5 grains) of Armour

and

> >right now I'm wiped.

>

> Hi Kathy,

>

> Maybe 4 hour dosing on the armour is too much for you right

now....I take

> my armour 6-8 hours apart and I don't get wiped out or the

jitters. I

> don't know how others dose their armour???

> Just my 2 cents,

> Dahlia

>

>

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Once I was having an attack and wanted my wife to take me to the ER she told me

to take a pill. I called EMS and they took me to the ER. after much testing

they found I had a bad Panic Attack hell I though I was having a heart attack.

The Dr. told me never over look anything like this the next time this happens

come to the ER at first they said I was having a heart attack. So now I tell my

wife nothing about my health and if she ever needs to go to the Dr. or the the

ER I told her she better have a way there don't look at me what comes around

goes around. And I am not the only one that has this problem I have talked to a

lot of men and women that are Sick and have the same problem. It seems when

your sick for a long time they look at it as if it's an inconvenience to them.

I would take my wife to the ER is something happened to her but I will be damed

if I am going to let her know this.

Here mother was dam sick she was like the only mother I ever had and I made

her live with us and took care of her. When my wife came home from work all

they did is fight. We lost her this time last yr. she was 84 and we still are

not over it. My wife is having a hard time with her loss because she feels so

bad about how they got along. Now my Wifes ant. is sick with bone cancer and

lives in Fl. So now we are on call to go there anyday now. The way I feel I

don't think I can go. And this will just add fuel to the fire.

Your damed if you do and damed if your don't.

Phil

wrote:

My DH is like that - he thinks that any pain I have is nothing

compared to his so he has no sympathy b/c he thinks I should ditch Armour and

Isocort and Iodoral and just do juicing and raw foods like him and it will cure

me. Any time I say something like " I am hurting today " he says " I'll trade you "

and demeans it, so I mostly don't say much. He is always right and always knows

best, so I come here for understanding and empathy.

C.

> Some people don't understand when one is Sick like we are yet it

they hurt there toe they go on about it all day long.

> Phil

[Guest guest]

Kathy,

I never have any problems with not sleeping! I am at 27.5mg. of HC and

the bedtime dose ALWAYS puts me to sleep. Keep your options open, ok?

I am not sure that NOT dosing after 2pm is a good thing considering our

bodies need steady but, lower doses in the evening? Wish you the best!

Dana

I don't want to dose much

after 2pm because I'm afraid I won't sleep. It hasn't happened to

me yet but I don't want it to either. I've read too many posts from

people on the NTH board that can't sleep.

[Guest guest]

I know your having a lot of brain fog been there but still you can read from the

index find some thing your worrried about in the index and read about it. I

would gauge my cortef dose by doing my temps and charting them if your temps

avg. is up and down from day to day your need more cortef so start doing this.

Find the chart in this link and keep track, if your temps level off your on

enough HC but say your temps are low below 98.6 this is were my temp goes when I

up my does of armour when it goes down to about 98.2 in about 2 weeks for me I

up my dose of armour 15mgs. So doing this helps me to understand how I am

doing. I am at 2.5 grains so when I get to 3 grains I will hold this for 4 to 6

weeks and see how my tests look.

http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions

Phil

roesslk wrote:

ok - thanks - will do the 10-5-5 today which is what I was at in

November. Question - you mentioned doing 10-10-5 - should I be

taking more than 20mg of Cortef? As for the book, yes, I have it -

got it quite some time ago but don't have the brain function to read

it. I'm able to work and do a good job but some things, like

reading, I just can't do because I can't comprehend.

What scares me about Cortef is if something were to happen and I

needed surgery or something. I'm afraid something would go wrong.

Also - what would a thyroid dump feel like? I've read about it but

can't recall - do you get shaky and sweat? My problem has been this

never ending fatigue all week - I fell asleep on the sofa at 5PM

yesterday and didn't wake up until 7:30am this morning. BIG

indicator of too low Armour dosage or could that also be an adrenal

issue?

Also, I'm sorry that your wife has Hashi's and isn't doing well.

Dealing with this stuff is a real pain.

Thanks,

Kathy in NJ

> >

> > Your story sounds so much like mine and I am a guy I get crap

from

> my wife to the point I don't talk about my heath. If I were you I

> would go back on HC and do more say 10mgs. 10mgs. and 5mgs. see

how

> this goes. I would start to take my Temps and chart them this

tells

> you were your at.

> > http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions

> > I use this to take my temps they sell it at Wal-Greens or Wal-

> Mart.

> > http://www.wilsonsthyroidsyndrome.com/Products/Thermometer.htm

> > Doing this will help you to know when to go up on Armour and

> were your Adreals are at. If you have trouble just post and ask.

> > I feel if you get back on HC being stage 7 you need it you

> should feel better fast.

> > Some people don't understand when one is Sick like we are yet it

> they hurt there toe they go on about it all day long.

> > Phil

> >

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

I take 4 pellets of Isocort on rising (5:30 a.m.) with mildly salty water,

(Redmond's salt); I can't drink plain water first thing in the a.m. I also take

1-2 Iodoral, plus vitamins. Then I eat breakfast and take 2 grains of Armour

sublingually. At 9:30 at work I take 2 pellets of Isocort (5 mgs., I think) and

1 Iodoral, plus selenium, which I take in the a.m. also. I take my Armour again

around 1-2 p.m. along with 2 more pellets of Isocort and 1 more Iodoral, 1.5

grains for a total of 3.5 grains now. In 4 weeks I will go up 1/4 grain and see

how things are then. I have a tiny little tupperware container and I put a label

inside the top of the lid with the dosing times written on it and it is by my

phone at work so that I don't forget. My forgetter is MUCH better than my

rememberer these days, lol! The selemium is in tablets which I cut in half for a

total of 2 tablets per day.

C.

C.

[Guest guest]

Hi Dana - thanks for the reply. I was referring to late day doses

of Armour, not HC - my apologies for not making myself clear. When

I did the 10-5-5 of HC I did it first thing in AM (5:30AM), 4 hours

later at 9:30AM and again at 1:30PM. If I take Armour too late in

the day I can't got off to sleep. I've been told this could be

different later on in time for me. I haven't had continuous

difficulties sleeping yet (other than the per-meno crap) but had two

instances where I was in meetings at work and took my last Armour

dose too late (2PM). I got to sleep but needed to take melatonin in

order to drift off and the next day had a " hangover " from the

melatonin. I learned my lesson there and have excused myself to go

to the ladies room, purse in hand, Armour in the side pocket, to

dose earlier whenever I've been in that situation again.

Also, thanks for the reminder to keep my options open. Janie on the

NTH group told me at one point to think out of the box. This was

particularly in reference to HC. I do my best to try other options

but, for some reason, I can get to that point and then mess it all

up out of fear.

I will keep plugging along!!

Kathy in NJ

>

> Kathy,

> I never have any problems with not sleeping! I am at 27.5mg. of

HC and

> the bedtime dose ALWAYS puts me to sleep. Keep your options open,

ok?

> I am not sure that NOT dosing after 2pm is a good thing

considering our

> bodies need steady but, lower doses in the evening? Wish you the

best!

>

> Dana

>

>

> I don't want to dose much

> after 2pm because I'm afraid I won't sleep. It hasn't happened to

> me yet but I don't want it to either. I've read too many posts from

> people on the NTH board that can't sleep.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil - thanks and I do need to take my temps. I have the Dr.

Rind graph and the problem I had was taking my temps at work. I

actually sat in a stall one day and the digital did it's beep.

Someone in another stall, who had seen me go in said, " Kath, is that

your cell phone? weird ring tone. " Hahaha. I did the temp graphs

for only three days - had started on the weekend and did it Monday

when I had the " stall incident " . Temps were very low (below 98) at

that point and I was on 20mg HC. I will start it up again and I

appreciate the reminder. As I've said, I fall off the health wagon

and need that nudge to remember what I'm supposed to do. The brain

fog doesn't help but if I set alarms for myself at work in my

calendar and at home on my cell, I'll be ok. As for you, stay the

course - I'm over 4 grains, as you know, and still am not well but I

held the .25 grain increases as instructed. I just pushed myself

off HC too soon.

Kathy in NJ

>

> I know your having a lot of brain fog been there but still you can

read from the index find some thing your worrried about in the index

and read about it. I would gauge my cortef dose by doing my temps

and charting them if your temps avg. is up and down from day to day

your need more cortef so start doing this. Find the chart in this

link and keep track, if your temps level off your on enough HC but

say your temps are low below 98.6 this is were my temp goes when I

up my does of armour when it goes down to about 98.2 in about 2

weeks for me I up my dose of armour 15mgs. So doing this helps me

to understand how I am doing. I am at 2.5 grains so when I get to 3

grains I will hold this for 4 to 6 weeks and see how my tests look.

> http://www.drrind.com/tempgraph.asp#directions

> Phil

[Guest guest]

Hey Phil - comments below.

> My DH is like that - he thinks that any pain I have is

nothing compared to his so he has no sympathy b/c he thinks I should

ditch Armour and Isocort and Iodoral and just do juicing and raw

foods like him and it will cure me. Any time I say something like " I

am hurting today " he says " I'll trade you " and demeans it, so I

mostly don't say much. He is always right and always knows best, so

I come here for understanding and empathy.

>

> C.

>

> > Some people don't understand when one is Sick like we are yet it

> they hurt there toe they go on about it all day long.

> > Phil

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kathy I hear ya all we can do is keep doing. I help men for low testosterone at

4 different boards and hear storys like this all the time. Women just don't

understand it when there men can't work and find out they are sick due to low

hormones. In most case's men with this problem have low cortosol and thyroid

problems. Problem is Dr.'s don't catch it because there labs are in range. So

these poor men withdraw into them selfs because they don't feel like men anymore

and this makes the problem worse. I just take to a young man his testosterone

was 175 range is 262 to 1200 his Endo told him he is ok and not to worry about

it. The poor guy is ready to kill him self so he found us and posted I get this

all the time. So by the time they get all this figured out the walls are up

between the men and there wife's. And as the men are treated and get better to

much water has gone over the dam to fix the marriage.

I know as long as we don't talk about are problems with are health we are OK.

Phil

roesslk wrote:

Hey Phil - comments below.

> My DH is like that - he thinks that any pain I have is

nothing compared to his so he has no sympathy b/c he thinks I should

ditch Armour and Isocort and Iodoral and just do juicing and raw

foods like him and it will cure me. Any time I say something like " I

am hurting today " he says " I'll trade you " and demeans it, so I

mostly don't say much. He is always right and always knows best, so

I come here for understanding and empathy.

>

> C.

>

> > Some people don't understand when one is Sick like we are yet it

> they hurt there toe they go on about it all day long.

> > Phil

>

>