Re: is there anyibody out there?

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 09/12/2006 20:25:35 GMT Standard Time,

linnmiller@... writes:

Refresh my memory, Mo, are you taking Celtic sea salt?

Well I started to hon and then I had my sodium levels tested in the summer

because I was weeing SO much and I was slightly over the range.

So I kind of let go of supplementing with this though I do now spinkle on my

food whereas I have been a salt-free zone for 20y ears or thereaabouts

thinkinging I was doing the right thing.

Thansk for your concern and support Linn.

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

Good Morning Mo,Waiting is what I'm doing for now.I had an endo tell

me to stop isocort cold turkey(stupid me) I did and started to blow

up.After about 5-6 days I started HC,but last week I had sinus

surgery and they gave me a lot of HC and then prednisone for a few

days so I may just have to wait to get some of this out of my

system.I started iodoral yesterday,maybe that will help.My symptoms

are like yours they get worse as theday goes on. We're going out

today so I hope it not to bad.Hope your day is better for you to. I

don't know where you are but its a nice sunny day here.Getting out

helps take your mind off not feeling well too. Have a great day

Debbie

In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS ,

NOVAexeter@... wrote:

>

>

>

> In a message dated 09/12/2006 02:01:47 GMT Standard Time,

> debbieellison06@... writes:

>

> .Ihope they do

> for you too. LOL

>

>

>

> Morning Bloaty Person

> thanks for chipping in my love.

> Yes, we will both improve, I feel a bit better already, fingers

crossed, the

> palps seem to hit me later in the day but I just just necked 20 mg

h.c first

> thing to try to head off at the pass any possibility of another

night like

> last night.

> What you doing for the bloating?

>

> Mo

>

> NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good Morning Mo,Waiting is what I'm doing for now.I had an endo tell

me to stop isocort cold turkey(stupid me) I did and started to blow

up.After about 5-6 days I started HC,but last week I had sinus

surgery and they gave me a lot of HC and then prednisone for a few

days so I may just have to wait to get some of this out of my

system.I started iodoral yesterday,maybe that will help.My symptoms

are like yours they get worse as theday goes on. We're going out

today so I hope it not to bad.Hope your day is better for you to. I

don't know where you are but its a nice sunny day here.Getting out

helps take your mind off not feeling well too. Have a great day

Debbie

In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS ,

NOVAexeter@... wrote:

>

>

>

> In a message dated 09/12/2006 02:01:47 GMT Standard Time,

> debbieellison06@... writes:

>

> .Ihope they do

> for you too. LOL

>

>

>

> Morning Bloaty Person

> thanks for chipping in my love.

> Yes, we will both improve, I feel a bit better already, fingers

crossed, the

> palps seem to hit me later in the day but I just just necked 20 mg

h.c first

> thing to try to head off at the pass any possibility of another

night like

> last night.

> What you doing for the bloating?

>

> Mo

>

> NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mo,

Have you tried just taking magnesium for sleep instead? Or maybe

just good old Benadryl, but just the plain stuff, only the

antihistamine, nothing that has a decongestant in it. Several of the

OTC sleep aids consist of the same ingredient used in Benadryl, it's

just packaged under their brand name and they charge twice as much

for it.

Hope you're feeling better.

Linn

>

>

> In a message dated 08/12/2006 23:28:48 GMT Standard

> Time,NOVAexeter@...

> writes:

>

> Tacycardia, only recently and now stopped

>

> Morning Val

> Only this morning did i realise what the above means!

> I thought (last night) that it meant arrhythmia which is why i said

> i only

> had it for a short while a week or two ago.

> Palps it means, yes........

> So what I did last night was take half of my usual dose and then

> added in

> some 5HTP and I will now try to decrease the dose over time and try

> to go to all

> 5HTP.

> Thanks for pointing that out and sorry for not being receptive to

> understanding what you were trying to indicate.

> And thanks for being there, I really felt so very alone last night.

>

> Mo x

>

> NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mo,

Have you tried just taking magnesium for sleep instead? Or maybe

just good old Benadryl, but just the plain stuff, only the

antihistamine, nothing that has a decongestant in it. Several of the

OTC sleep aids consist of the same ingredient used in Benadryl, it's

just packaged under their brand name and they charge twice as much

for it.

Hope you're feeling better.

Linn

>

>

> In a message dated 08/12/2006 23:28:48 GMT Standard

> Time,NOVAexeter@...

> writes:

>

> Tacycardia, only recently and now stopped

>

> Morning Val

> Only this morning did i realise what the above means!

> I thought (last night) that it meant arrhythmia which is why i said

> i only

> had it for a short while a week or two ago.

> Palps it means, yes........

> So what I did last night was take half of my usual dose and then

> added in

> some 5HTP and I will now try to decrease the dose over time and try

> to go to all

> 5HTP.

> Thanks for pointing that out and sorry for not being receptive to

> understanding what you were trying to indicate.

> And thanks for being there, I really felt so very alone last night.

>

> Mo x

>

> NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mr too Mo, Its hard to tell but I think this is water weight.A few

weeks ago I was 125 lbs. and now am 137.I did start HC before the

surgery I think thats part of the problem, I was on a crazy schedue

for a couple of weeks.Time for me to get in the shower, talk to ya

later.Have a good

day.Debbie

In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS ,

NOVAexeter@... wrote:

>

>

>

> In a message dated 09/12/2006 16:17:44 GMT Standard Time,

> debbieellison06@... writes:

>

> up.After about 5-6 days I started HC,but last week I had sinus

> surgery and they gave me a lot of HC and then prednisone for a few

> days so I may just have to wait to get some of this out of my

> system.I started iodoral yesterday,maybe that will help.My

symptoms

> are like yours they get worse as theday goes on. We're going out

> today so I hope it not to bad.Hope your day is better for you to.

I

> don't know where you are but its a nice sunny day here.Getting out

> helps take your mind off not feeling well too.

>

>

> Hi Debbie

> Yes I found out earlier that you are correct~! It is a nice, sunny

but cold

> day here in England and I HAD to go out and must say that the walk

did lots

> to lift my spirits.

> Feeling much better today and let's hope it continues.

> So you are ot taking any h/c at the moment while you wait for the

Pred. to

> clear your system? Have I got that right?

> ~Do you know, I don't know what is bloat and what is fat and what

is water

> retention! I really don't know. I remember a homeopath asking me if

i suffering

> from bloating and I said I don't know, what is it?

> Is it wind/gas build-up?

> Sorry to be so ignorant but I have always been unclear on this one.

>

> Mo

>

> NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mo,

I know what you mean. Have you investigated iodine at all? A lot of

us on the iodine group noted that our sleep was much improved after

starting it. Easier to sleep, much deeper sleep, dreaming again, etc.

Linn

>

>

> In a message dated 09/12/2006 16:23:42 GMT Standard Time,

> linnmiller@... writes:

>

> Have you tried just taking magnesium for sleep instead? Or maybe

> just good old Benadryl, but just the plain stuff, only the

> antihistamine, nothing that has a decongestant in it. Several of the

> OTC sleep aids consist of the same ingredient used in Benadryl, it's

> just packaged under their brand name and they charge twice as much

> for it.

>

> Hi Linn

> I am thanks Linn - feeling better today.

> Could do with some more sleep, that bloomin' hound of mine will

> INSIST of

> barking at the postie every morning and earplugs or no earplugs

> that's my sleep

> over. Love him to bits just the same - just wish he would shut up

> once in a

> while. Thinks he is guarding him, bless him.

> Yes, mag. I am going to get more organised tonight and get my high-

> dose mag.

> next to the bed and try that (I used to take it every night and

> recently I

> have been taking it during the day for the simple reason that the

> bottle ended

> up with my

[Guest guest]

Mo,

I know what you mean. Have you investigated iodine at all? A lot of

us on the iodine group noted that our sleep was much improved after

starting it. Easier to sleep, much deeper sleep, dreaming again, etc.

Linn

>

>

> In a message dated 09/12/2006 16:23:42 GMT Standard Time,

> linnmiller@... writes:

>

> Have you tried just taking magnesium for sleep instead? Or maybe

> just good old Benadryl, but just the plain stuff, only the

> antihistamine, nothing that has a decongestant in it. Several of the

> OTC sleep aids consist of the same ingredient used in Benadryl, it's

> just packaged under their brand name and they charge twice as much

> for it.

>

> Hi Linn

> I am thanks Linn - feeling better today.

> Could do with some more sleep, that bloomin' hound of mine will

> INSIST of

> barking at the postie every morning and earplugs or no earplugs

> that's my sleep

> over. Love him to bits just the same - just wish he would shut up

> once in a

> while. Thinks he is guarding him, bless him.

> Yes, mag. I am going to get more organised tonight and get my high-

> dose mag.

> next to the bed and try that (I used to take it every night and

> recently I

> have been taking it during the day for the simple reason that the

> bottle ended

> up with my

[Guest guest]

Mo,

I'll see if I can come up with some info for you. There are several

of us on this list that are also on the iodine list, maybe somebody

else will have some helpful info for you also.

Refresh my memory, Mo, are you taking Celtic sea salt?

Linn

>

>

> In a message dated 09/12/2006 18:58:16 GMT Standard Time,

> linnmiller@... writes:

>

> Have you investigated iodine at all?

>

> Well yes and no Linn which is not much of an answer I realise.

> I did look into it and because my memory is SO crap, I cannot tell

> you what

> my impressions were at that time which was about a year ago.

> So much else going on, trying to optomise Armour, deal with personal

> development issues which impact on my adrenal status etc. and that

> only chesnut -

> lacks of funds.

> I found I was over the range in sodium. Is that connected Linn?

> Desperately trying to remember what it was that I felt was the

> blockage to

> taking this further?

> Any ideas would be appreciated.

> I SO appreciate your relentlessly wholistic input (and I mean that

> in a good

> way).

>

> Mo

>

> NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

>

> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

Mo,

I'll see if I can come up with some info for you. There are several

of us on this list that are also on the iodine list, maybe somebody

else will have some helpful info for you also.

Refresh my memory, Mo, are you taking Celtic sea salt?

Linn

>

>

> In a message dated 09/12/2006 18:58:16 GMT Standard Time,

> linnmiller@... writes:

>

> Have you investigated iodine at all?

>

> Well yes and no Linn which is not much of an answer I realise.

> I did look into it and because my memory is SO crap, I cannot tell

> you what

> my impressions were at that time which was about a year ago.

> So much else going on, trying to optomise Armour, deal with personal

> development issues which impact on my adrenal status etc. and that

> only chesnut -

> lacks of funds.

> I found I was over the range in sodium. Is that connected Linn?

> Desperately trying to remember what it was that I felt was the

> blockage to

> taking this further?

> Any ideas would be appreciated.

> I SO appreciate your relentlessly wholistic input (and I mean that

> in a good

> way).

>

> Mo

>

> NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

>

> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

While you were taking the sea salt, did you have any success with it

bringing down your blood pressure?

Linn

>

>

> In a message dated 09/12/2006 20:25:35 GMT Standard Time,

> linnmiller@... writes:

>

> Refresh my memory, Mo, are you taking Celtic sea salt?

>

> Well I started to hon and then I had my sodium levels tested in the

> summer

> because I was weeing SO much and I was slightly over the range.

> So I kind of let go of supplementing with this though I do now

> spinkle on my

> food whereas I have been a salt-free zone for 20y ears or thereaabouts

> thinkinging I was doing the right thing.

> Thansk for your concern and support Linn.

>

> Mo

>

> NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

>

>

[Guest guest]

Re: is there anyibody out there?

Hi Mo,

I know next to nothing, as I only started HC in the beginning of October ...

and still haven't been able to stabilize. :0( But I'll throw my thoughts

in here, as I had palps for four days earlier this week that were scarring

the bejeezus out of me, and mine were low compared to yours!!! Things I

think contributed to or caused my palps:

I missed my Magnesium dosages four days LAST week.

I'd been erratic in dosing my water with sea salt in days prior to and

during palps.

I don't know if either of these has anything to do with your situation, but

I'm going to increase my Mag to 800mg at bedtime (helps with sleep too), and

try harder to add 1/4 t sea salt to my water glass 2-3 x daily.

I used to use Valerian too Mo! It worked well ... but I read somewhere,

couldn't tell you where now, that taking it without break would be poisonous

to the system, so I stopped. I hear Melatonin works for sleep too??? I've

never tried it though.

Don't really think I've helped much Mo, but please know you are NOT alone

when those 'palp panics' set in!

Hope they soon go away for good,

Liz

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 10/12/2006 00:53:00 GMT Standard Time,

esilver@... writes:

Morning Liz

Brrrrrr it's cold here this morning. I really need to ask Santa for some

nice, cosy loungewear kind of stuff for those days when I don't go very far.

Been checking the internet and all I could find that looked cosy were these

fleecy kaftans but of boy do they look dreadful. I am a bit snowman-shaped as

it is........ But that's another sotry.

H/c and palps.

Well I thought they were gone but whaddyaknow? Last night I took 400 mg

Magnesium x 2, 4 100 mg 5HTP (recommended dsoe 1 or 2) AND half a tablet of the

dreaded Nytol which may be giving me more problems than it is solving as the

side-effects could be contributing to the palps and the general

exhaustion/grogginess.

I thought I was all set up for a nice sleep. I had found myself stating to

nod off in the armchair around 9.30/10 pm so I took myself off to bed at 10.30.

Did NOT put the telly on as I usually do in the hope that this would help

also.

And justas i was was drifting off, you guessed it! THUMP THUMP THUMP THUMP

THUMP THUMP..............

I could not believe it, I really thought I was home and dry.

So I just lay there and tried various meditation techniques to try and get

to get to sleep but gave up in and the end and got up, went to the kitchen and

got some l-Theanine and some homeopathic tincture of Hawthorn and went back

to bed.

And so to sleeeeeeeeeep. Ahhhhhhhhhhh. Bliss.

I will send as a separate post the info I got from our sister list NTH about

the use of l-Theanine and Hawthorn and some other stuff just the other day.

I asked permission to copy to our list and so have a look at that Liz because

there is interesting info about all of this topic. I found it so anyway and

helpful as I say last night and the night before.

I know next to nothing, as I only started HC in the beginning of October ...

and still haven't been able to stabilize. :0(

We WILL get there Liz and turn that (: into a lol. WE WILL, WE WILL, WE

WILL, WE WILL!

But I'll throw my thoughts

in here, as I had palps for four days earlier this week that were scarring

the bejeezus out of me, and mine were low compared to yours!!! Things I

think contributed to or caused my palps:

I missed my Magnesium dosages four days LAST week.

OK. I have been missing mine also. Taking one day, not the next and

certainly have been forgetting to take at bedtime.

I'd been erratic in dosing my water with sea salt in days prior to and

during palps.

Yes I can see that regularity is very important. Foolish of me to let my

stocks of supplements run down just because of Christmas expense. It is

precisely at this time that I need to ne making a real priority of having what I

need

at hand.

Do you simply forget to take the seasalt Liz? Or is it hard to arrange?

I don't know if either of these has anything to do with your situation, but

I'm going to increase my Mag to 800mg at bedtime (helps with sleep too), and

try harder to add 1/4 t sea salt to my water glass 2-3 x daily.

Maybe you could add the salt in a water bottle first thing, or last thing

before bed and have it all ready in the morning. Would that work? I suppose it

would need to be a large bottle and I cannot remember for the ife of me

whether you go out to work Liz?

I used to use Valerian too Mo! It worked well ... but I read somewhere,

couldn't tell you where now, that taking it without break would be poisonous

to the system, so I stopped.

Yes I have heard that it is not good for the liver so that is why I stopped

using it also.

I hear Melatonin works for sleep too??? I've

never tried it though.

I did try this and it did not help me. Shame, would have been a good

solution.

Don't really think I've helped much Mo, but please know you are NOT alone

when those 'palp panics' set in!

You have indeed helped Liz. It really is good to know that I am not alone in

dealing with this.

This is the first time it has happened outside of Armour increases so I am

not sure what is really behind all of this.

I did take a very large increase of one grain about six weeks ago now and

had palps every night for three weeks afterwards until Val came up with the idea

of taking my last dose of Armour at bedtime.

This worked and then, regrettably, the palps started again recently with

some severe personal stress that has been going on.

Hope they soon go away for good,

Oh yes, that will be so good!

thanks Liz.

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/12/2006 20:12:41 GMT Standard Time,

esilver@... writes:

> I'm looking forward to reading about these!

Apologies Liz, never got round to this, hang on and I'll see if I can find

it now before I forget again!

See below, copied with permission from Tish on NTH.

Mo

___________________________________________________________________

Re: question on heart palps

But, if you take extra Armour by accident, this can have an affect on

the heart. When you increase your Armour dose or accidentally take a

double dose or something, this puts a strain on the adrenals, by

increasing their need to make cortisol and stimulating them more. They

can become depleted of hormones after a while and this causes cortisol

to drop low in the system. The brain reacts by asking the adrenals to

make more hormones by putting out a lot of ACTH. This ACTH will

stimulate production of a hormone called aldosterone if the adrenals

can't make enough cortisol. This aldosterone is converted in the blood

to angiotensin, which increases blood pressure and stimulation of the

heart. Also, when cortisol goes too low in the system, this prevents

thyroid hormone from getting into cells throughout the body. Cells

need cortisol to be in balance with thyroid in order for thyroid to be

used. So, when cortisol from the adrenals gets too low, thyroid will

build up in the blood and not be able to get into soft tissues. This

has a stimulating effect on the heart, since the heart has to pump

blood and be exposed to increased thryoid in the blood. The heart is a

muscle and very sensitive to stimulation by thyroid. It can also use

other sources of energy when cortisol is low, where other tissues

cannot. Muscles can break down protien for energy when cortisol is

low. Soft tissues of the body need glucose, which is controlled by

cortisol.

So, it is entirely possible that you would have a delayed reaction to

increased thyroid. The best way to avoid this is to make thyroid dose

raises small, no more than 1/4 grain at a time and give more time

between raises, like 4 weeks.

If this happens again, you can try one of these: hawthorne Phytosomes,

hawthorn berries, Bonito peptide, Taurine, theanin, or arginine. These

should help to counter the effects of increased angiotensin and calm

the heart. You can also try to eat a healthy snack. You can try a

little cortisone of some type (adrenal glandular) or licorice root

tea. But, usually after your heart starts acting up, cortisone or

licorice doesn't always help. You could also try a magnesium and

potassium supplement (low sodium V8 has lots of potassium), but this

does not always help in cases of adrenal fatigue.

Tish

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/12/2006 20:12:41 GMT Standard Time,

esilver@... writes:

> I'm looking forward to reading about these!

Apologies Liz, never got round to this, hang on and I'll see if I can find

it now before I forget again!

See below, copied with permission from Tish on NTH.

Mo

___________________________________________________________________

Re: question on heart palps

But, if you take extra Armour by accident, this can have an affect on

the heart. When you increase your Armour dose or accidentally take a

double dose or something, this puts a strain on the adrenals, by

increasing their need to make cortisol and stimulating them more. They

can become depleted of hormones after a while and this causes cortisol

to drop low in the system. The brain reacts by asking the adrenals to

make more hormones by putting out a lot of ACTH. This ACTH will

stimulate production of a hormone called aldosterone if the adrenals

can't make enough cortisol. This aldosterone is converted in the blood

to angiotensin, which increases blood pressure and stimulation of the

heart. Also, when cortisol goes too low in the system, this prevents

thyroid hormone from getting into cells throughout the body. Cells

need cortisol to be in balance with thyroid in order for thyroid to be

used. So, when cortisol from the adrenals gets too low, thyroid will

build up in the blood and not be able to get into soft tissues. This

has a stimulating effect on the heart, since the heart has to pump

blood and be exposed to increased thryoid in the blood. The heart is a

muscle and very sensitive to stimulation by thyroid. It can also use

other sources of energy when cortisol is low, where other tissues

cannot. Muscles can break down protien for energy when cortisol is

low. Soft tissues of the body need glucose, which is controlled by

cortisol.

So, it is entirely possible that you would have a delayed reaction to

increased thyroid. The best way to avoid this is to make thyroid dose

raises small, no more than 1/4 grain at a time and give more time

between raises, like 4 weeks.

If this happens again, you can try one of these: hawthorne Phytosomes,

hawthorn berries, Bonito peptide, Taurine, theanin, or arginine. These

should help to counter the effects of increased angiotensin and calm

the heart. You can also try to eat a healthy snack. You can try a

little cortisone of some type (adrenal glandular) or licorice root

tea. But, usually after your heart starts acting up, cortisone or

licorice doesn't always help. You could also try a magnesium and

potassium supplement (low sodium V8 has lots of potassium), but this

does not always help in cases of adrenal fatigue.

Tish

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: Mo>

> I will send as a separate post the info I got from our sister list NTH about

> the use of l-Theanine and Hawthorn and some other stuff just the other day.

> I asked permission to copy to our list and so have a look at that Liz because

> there is interesting info about all of this topic. I found it so anyway and

> helpful as I say last night and the night before.

>

> I'm looking forward to reading about these!

>

> Do you simply forget to take the seasalt Liz? Or is it hard to arrange?

>

> Yeah, when I'm feeling foggy (and probably need the salt) I tend to reach for

the coffee, even though the water glass and container of coarse sea salt is

right there on the counter in front of me. Bad habit needing to be changed, as

I really do feel better when I use the sea salt ...

> I hear Melatonin works for sleep too??? I've

> never tried it though.

> I did try this and it did not help me. Shame, would have been a good

> solution.

>

> Sounds like the L-Theanaine and Hawthorne work just as well, thank goodness!

So very glad to hear you're doing better today,

Liz

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: Mo>

> I will send as a separate post the info I got from our sister list NTH about

> the use of l-Theanine and Hawthorn and some other stuff just the other day.

> I asked permission to copy to our list and so have a look at that Liz because

> there is interesting info about all of this topic. I found it so anyway and

> helpful as I say last night and the night before.

>

> I'm looking forward to reading about these!

>

> Do you simply forget to take the seasalt Liz? Or is it hard to arrange?

>

> Yeah, when I'm feeling foggy (and probably need the salt) I tend to reach for

the coffee, even though the water glass and container of coarse sea salt is

right there on the counter in front of me. Bad habit needing to be changed, as

I really do feel better when I use the sea salt ...

> I hear Melatonin works for sleep too??? I've

> never tried it though.

> I did try this and it did not help me. Shame, would have been a good

> solution.

>

> Sounds like the L-Theanaine and Hawthorne work just as well, thank goodness!

So very glad to hear you're doing better today,

Liz

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: > Mo

> ___________________________________________________________________

>

No apology needed Mo!

Thanks for this ... I may well pick up some Hawthorne to have on hand.

Liz

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: > Mo

> ___________________________________________________________________

>

No apology needed Mo!

Thanks for this ... I may well pick up some Hawthorne to have on hand.

Liz