Re: Stress Dosing- I will put this in the files

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In a message dated 08/12/2006 12:06:55 GMT Standard Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

At first sign of adrenal symptoms or symptoms of illness- take 20MG HC.

This can be done twice daily for up to 3 days then it should be tapered

off dropping 1/3 the dose used for 2 days then drop another 1/3rd , then

in a couple days back to normal dose.

tHANKS FOR THAT vAL - BRILLIANT, JUST WHAT i NEED.

OOPS, oops sorry.....

So in extreme stress 40 mg can be taken in two doses.

Is this on top of usual dose or not? i.e. if my usual dose is 30 mg should I

be taking 70 mg in one day?

thanks Val, you're a treasure.

Mo

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 08/12/2006 12:06:55 GMT Standard Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

At first sign of adrenal symptoms or symptoms of illness- take 20MG HC.

This can be done twice daily for up to 3 days then it should be tapered

off dropping 1/3 the dose used for 2 days then drop another 1/3rd , then

in a couple days back to normal dose.

tHANKS FOR THAT vAL - BRILLIANT, JUST WHAT i NEED.

OOPS, oops sorry.....

So in extreme stress 40 mg can be taken in two doses.

Is this on top of usual dose or not? i.e. if my usual dose is 30 mg should I

be taking 70 mg in one day?

thanks Val, you're a treasure.

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 08/12/2006 12:06:55 GMT Standard Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

At first sign of shakes take 5MG wait 15 minutes if symptoms persist,

take 5MG more, till symptoms STOP. You can take up to 20MG or double

your daily dose for up to three days then it will raise your everyday

needs so should be discontinued then.

With this situation Val, with my usual daily dose fo 30 mg, I can take 60 mg

right for three days, then drop back to 30 mg.

If the stresses are ongoing, like at Christmas, can I stress-dose for three

days and then stop for how many days before doing another three days of

stress-dosing?

Can I do this? On and off and on again if necessary?

thanks Val.

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 08/12/2006 12:06:55 GMT Standard Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

At first sign of shakes take 5MG wait 15 minutes if symptoms persist,

take 5MG more, till symptoms STOP. You can take up to 20MG or double

your daily dose for up to three days then it will raise your everyday

needs so should be discontinued then.

With this situation Val, with my usual daily dose fo 30 mg, I can take 60 mg

right for three days, then drop back to 30 mg.

If the stresses are ongoing, like at Christmas, can I stress-dose for three

days and then stop for how many days before doing another three days of

stress-dosing?

Can I do this? On and off and on again if necessary?

thanks Val.

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 08/12/2006 13:02:53 GMT Standard Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

I would try to give it 3 days between stress dosing days. This should reset

your body where your doosing needs do not remain too high, BUT if oyu feel

adrenal symptoms pn the days off, WEAN down by cutting the stress dose over a

few days. This will serve a dual purpose, both helping your body adapt again

to lower doses and helping to extend the life of the stress dosing.

Thanks Val, i have put all this information in one place on my desktop so it

is there for me at a moment's notice.

Cannot thank you enough.

Mo xxxx

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 08/12/2006 13:02:53 GMT Standard Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

I would try to give it 3 days between stress dosing days. This should reset

your body where your doosing needs do not remain too high, BUT if oyu feel

adrenal symptoms pn the days off, WEAN down by cutting the stress dose over a

few days. This will serve a dual purpose, both helping your body adapt again

to lower doses and helping to extend the life of the stress dosing.

Thanks Val, i have put all this information in one place on my desktop so it

is there for me at a moment's notice.

Cannot thank you enough.

Mo xxxx

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

>>So in extreme stress 40 mg can be taken in two doses.

Is this on top of usual dose or not? i.e. if my usual dose is 30 mg should I

be taking 70 mg in one day?<<

Stress dosing is ALWAYS on top of normal dosing. Remember your HEALTHY adrenals

can make 200MG cortiosl at a moment's noice if needed, adn use THAT as your

guide.

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[Guest guest]

>>So in extreme stress 40 mg can be taken in two doses.

Is this on top of usual dose or not? i.e. if my usual dose is 30 mg should I

be taking 70 mg in one day?<<

Stress dosing is ALWAYS on top of normal dosing. Remember your HEALTHY adrenals

can make 200MG cortiosl at a moment's noice if needed, adn use THAT as your

guide.

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[Guest guest]

>>With this situation Val, with my usual daily dose fo 30 mg, I can take 60 mg

right for three days, then drop back to 30 mg.

If the stresses are ongoing, like at Christmas, can I stress-dose for three

days and then stop for how many days before doing another three days of

stress-dosing?

Can I do this? On and off and on again if necessary?<<

I would try to give it 3 days between stress dosing days. This should reset your

body where your doosing needs do not remain too high, BUT if oyu feel adrenal

symptoms pn the days off, WEAN down by cutting the stress dose over a few days.

This will serve a dual purpose, both helping your body adapt again to lower

doses and helping to extend the life of the stress dosing.

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[Guest guest]

>>With this situation Val, with my usual daily dose fo 30 mg, I can take 60 mg

right for three days, then drop back to 30 mg.

If the stresses are ongoing, like at Christmas, can I stress-dose for three

days and then stop for how many days before doing another three days of

stress-dosing?

Can I do this? On and off and on again if necessary?<<

I would try to give it 3 days between stress dosing days. This should reset your

body where your doosing needs do not remain too high, BUT if oyu feel adrenal

symptoms pn the days off, WEAN down by cutting the stress dose over a few days.

This will serve a dual purpose, both helping your body adapt again to lower

doses and helping to extend the life of the stress dosing.

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Val,

I am really glad you posted this. I've been meaning to bring up some issues

that are causing me concern. I have been on HC now for one year, but prior to

that, before I got the doc to prescribe 15 mgs. per day, I took 5 mgs.

prednisolone for 3 months and then dropped down to 2.5 mgs. prednisolone for two

months and finally to the HC. In the last few months, I have tried on a few

occasions to drop down from 15 mgs. HC per day to 12.5 mgs. After about the

third day, I start having lots of problems. One time I tried dropping down to

10 mgs. for two days and I became a total basketcase. I literally became a

totally wired, emotional, irritable bitch and I couldn't function. I HAD to go

back to the 15 mgs. Also interesting to note and something I hadn't realized

until now, is that when I was taking 2.5 mgs. prednisolone per day is the time I

went to the Fibro and Fatigue Center and the doc there told me to stop taking

that and put me on 10 mgs. of " bioidentical " cortisol instead. I didn't

understand all of this then, and now I can remember that when I did this, I got

MUCH MUCH worse and when I went back to her, I was a complete basketcase and she

thought I had " psychiatric " problems because of how aggressive and irritable and

emotional I was acting and wanted to put me on a low dose of Zyprexa. NOW I

realize that this was a huge drop in cortisol for me to go from the effects of

2.5 mgs. prednisolone to 10 mgs. " bioidentical " cortisol was a huge shock to my

body. Given all of this, I have begun to wonder if I will ever be able to get

off Cortef, and I am confused about a few things, e.g. I was reading the other

day that taking 10 mgs. " prednisone " for three weeks can suppress adrenal

function and it can take a year to return. I don't quite understand what they

mean by that. Do they mean that if you stop it that your adrenal glands won't

work and you'll go into adrenal crisis? If so, then how can they ever leave us

without the stuff if we can go into adrenal crisis, not to mention, how can I

function the way I feel when I try to lower my dose? I personally am a stress

basket and I have NEVER been able to relax in my life. I am a type A who grew

up in a home where the fight or flight response and alarm state were the norm. I

never knew what was coming next. As I grew into an adult, in my 20's, I married

a man who continued to reinforce my alarm state and I continued to " walk on

eggshells " .....Later, a difficult divorce, single mom for many years, and much

loss and grief which I don't do well with and eventually, total adrenal

exhaustion. No matter how much I read about this, I cannot understand how we I

am supposed to ever get off this stuff since go pretty coocoo when I even lower

the dose by 2.5 mgs. for a couple of days. I also don't understand that right

now, would my adrenal glands work if I just found myself without my cortef one

day and went without it. Does adrenal suppression mean " they don't work " or

they just don't work to their full capacity thus you won't die, but you'll be

pretty messed up. Does anyone have any information that could help me to

understand this better and could answer some of these questions. Right now, I

don't feel I can live without HC and it's scary!!

Stress Dosing- I will put this in the files

This is a tough subject as it is subjective to the person doing it.

Illness is a MAJOR stress on the body and thus the adrenals. Car

accidents, near misses, even without injuries can also be a severe

stress, I know I have experienced these things myself.

For severe stresses:

At first sign of adrenal symptoms or symptoms of illness- take 20MG HC.

This can be done twice daily for up to 3 days then it should be tapered

off dropping 1/3 the dose used for 2 days then drop another 1/3rd , then

in a couple days back to normal dose.

For every day stresses such as arguments, bad boss days, children sick

or misbehaving, etc..

At first sign of shakes take 5MG wait 15 minutes if symptoms persist,

take 5MG more, till symptoms STOP. You can take up to 20MG or double

your daily dose for up to three days then it will raise your everyday

needs so should be discontinued then.

Holiday stresses:

Try to curtail holiday activities as much as possible. DELEGATE

responsibilities, Do things ahead of time. Practice relaxation

techniques such as hot salt baths, meditation, aromatherapy, whatever

works for YOU. You are ILL it is OK to not do as much as you usually do,

or are expected to do. Do not be afraid to TELL people this! Our illness

is not very visible, especially to the uninformed. Do not expect them to

know you are ill unless you tell them so. Stress dosing may entail a

complete raise in meds for the duration of the holiday period. Last year

I took extra 5MG every day from 2 weeks before Xmas till New Years. Then

I tailed it back off to my regular dose. Some days are worse than

others, guest arrivals, ornery guests, long lost ( & should have stayed

that way) relatives turn up unexpectedly... Stress dose with whatever it

takes to relieve adrenal symptoms up to double your daily dose, but for

no more than three days straight. The symptoms especially nausea means

your adrenals are being damaged. The purpose of taking adrenal meds is

to stop more damage and allow the adrenals to heal. Always remember you

are in recovery from a serious illness, and remind others of this! Yes,

bitching and moaning are allowed! LOL

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>>I was reading the other day that taking 10 mgs. " prednisone " for three weeks

can suppress adrenal function and it can take a year to return. I don't quite

understand what they mean by that.<<

ANY decent doctor that puts a person on that much Pred will have them taper off

it slowly. Usually it is a short duration treatment and not months on it anyway.

That is equal to 40-50MG a day of HC depending on who oyu read.

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>> Right now, I don't feel I can live without HC and it's scary!!<<

Whta's scary? Without thyroid hormones i would die, only slower. Same thing.

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>> Right now, I don't feel I can live without HC and it's scary!!<<

Whta's scary? Without thyroid hormones i would die, only slower. Same thing.

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Thank you Val for this! It really, really helps..

My question is this: I notice that I don't necessarily get

the " shakes " as you describe them....I get TOTALLY fatigued mostly

and have some nausea when I need to stress dose.....(and, palps)is

everyone different in how they feel when they need more? I think

that I need to raise my dose to 25mg. as yesterday I felt much better

when I took that amount. Most of my brain fogginess left and my

major fatigue too. I was stable on 22.5 for over a week and the past

few days have felt really fatigued and foggy-ish. What do you

think? I am thinking of taking my dose like this: 10,5,5,5 (last

dose late evening) If I do this new dose, and if it is a good one

for me, should I notice an improvement right away, you think? Thanks!

Dana

>

> >>With this situation Val, with my usual daily dose fo 30 mg, I

can take 60 mg

> right for three days, then drop back to 30 mg.

> If the stresses are ongoing, like at Christmas, can I stress-dose

for three

> days and then stop for how many days before doing another three

days of

> stress-dosing?

> Can I do this? On and off and on again if necessary?<<

>

> I would try to give it 3 days between stress dosing days. This

should reset your body where your doosing needs do not remain too

high, BUT if oyu feel adrenal symptoms pn the days off, WEAN down by

cutting the stress dose over a few days. This will serve a dual

purpose, both helping your body adapt again to lower doses and

helping to extend the life of the stress dosing.

>

> --

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> http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

>

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I have found that for me anyway, the right dose I knew it the first day

on it. the improvement was immediate. But I skipped right over 25MG from

20- to 30 and felt SO good it was almost euphoric. Yes different people

get slightly different sy,ptoms for adrenal stress, the nausea is common

to all when it gets to that point you need more right then.

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[Guest guest]

I have found that for me anyway, the right dose I knew it the first day

on it. the improvement was immediate. But I skipped right over 25MG from

20- to 30 and felt SO good it was almost euphoric. Yes different people

get slightly different sy,ptoms for adrenal stress, the nausea is common

to all when it gets to that point you need more right then.

--

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Val,This will be helpful.I get the shakes when I'm stressed

and always wondered why.I guess my adrenal problems have been around

longer than I thought.By the way I took the extra 20 for the dentist

yesterday, and was fine,I have to go back today so I'm going to do it

again.Execpt for high estrogen symptoms(bloating,o cysts,swollen

breasts)the HC seems to be helping.The last few weeks have been so

crazy I'm sure this will even out too.Thanks so much for all you

do.Debbie

In

NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " danamarie39 "

wrote:

>

> Thank you Val for this! It really, really helps..

>

> My question is this: I notice that I don't necessarily get

> the " shakes " as you describe them....I get TOTALLY fatigued mostly

> and have some nausea when I need to stress dose.....(and, palps)is

> everyone different in how they feel when they need more? I think

> that I need to raise my dose to 25mg. as yesterday I felt much

better

> when I took that amount. Most of my brain fogginess left and my

> major fatigue too. I was stable on 22.5 for over a week and the

past

> few days have felt really fatigued and foggy-ish. What do you

> think? I am thinking of taking my dose like this: 10,5,5,5 (last

> dose late evening) If I do this new dose, and if it is a good one

> for me, should I notice an improvement right away, you think?

Thanks!

>

> Dana

>

>

>

> >

> > >>With this situation Val, with my usual daily dose fo 30 mg, I

> can take 60 mg

> > right for three days, then drop back to 30 mg.

> > If the stresses are ongoing, like at Christmas, can I stress-dose

> for three

> > days and then stop for how many days before doing another three

> days of

> > stress-dosing?

> > Can I do this? On and off and on again if necessary?<<

> >

> > I would try to give it 3 days between stress dosing days. This

> should reset your body where your doosing needs do not remain too

> high, BUT if oyu feel adrenal symptoms pn the days off, WEAN down

by

> cutting the stress dose over a few days. This will serve a dual

> purpose, both helping your body adapt again to lower doses and

> helping to extend the life of the stress dosing.

> >

> > --

> > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane

WV

> > My Ebay Jewelry Store

> http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> >

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Val,This will be helpful.I get the shakes when I'm stressed

and always wondered why.I guess my adrenal problems have been around

longer than I thought.By the way I took the extra 20 for the dentist

yesterday, and was fine,I have to go back today so I'm going to do it

again.Execpt for high estrogen symptoms(bloating,o cysts,swollen

breasts)the HC seems to be helping.The last few weeks have been so

crazy I'm sure this will even out too.Thanks so much for all you

do.Debbie

In

NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " danamarie39 "

wrote:

>

> Thank you Val for this! It really, really helps..

>

> My question is this: I notice that I don't necessarily get

> the " shakes " as you describe them....I get TOTALLY fatigued mostly

> and have some nausea when I need to stress dose.....(and, palps)is

> everyone different in how they feel when they need more? I think

> that I need to raise my dose to 25mg. as yesterday I felt much

better

> when I took that amount. Most of my brain fogginess left and my

> major fatigue too. I was stable on 22.5 for over a week and the

past

> few days have felt really fatigued and foggy-ish. What do you

> think? I am thinking of taking my dose like this: 10,5,5,5 (last

> dose late evening) If I do this new dose, and if it is a good one

> for me, should I notice an improvement right away, you think?

Thanks!

>

> Dana

>

>

>

> >

> > >>With this situation Val, with my usual daily dose fo 30 mg, I

> can take 60 mg

> > right for three days, then drop back to 30 mg.

> > If the stresses are ongoing, like at Christmas, can I stress-dose

> for three

> > days and then stop for how many days before doing another three

> days of

> > stress-dosing?

> > Can I do this? On and off and on again if necessary?<<

> >

> > I would try to give it 3 days between stress dosing days. This

> should reset your body where your doosing needs do not remain too

> high, BUT if oyu feel adrenal symptoms pn the days off, WEAN down

by

> cutting the stress dose over a few days. This will serve a dual

> purpose, both helping your body adapt again to lower doses and

> helping to extend the life of the stress dosing.

> >

> > --

> > Artistic Grooming- Hurricane

WV

> > My Ebay Jewelry Store

> http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

> > http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

> >

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I too grow up like this and know how you feel. I just finished the book Safe

Uses for Cortisol by Dr. Jefferies

http://members.aol.com/jefferiesw/

http://www.ccthomas.com/details.cfm?P_ISBN=039807500X

In his book he states to start at 20mgs a day and if you still dont feel

better you can go up to 30mgs a day and be safe. Like Val. said your Preg. was

to much to long and could have shut you down. He also says if your getting sick

with the flue or Bronchitis you can stress dose up to 100mgs a day and you will

beat this.

I think your does of HC is to low try doing 5mgs 4 times a day or 10mgs in the

morning if you bad off in the mornings. So of us that have live this life stile

may need HC for life. I would still try comming of it to see if adrenals start

up again but if you feel bad go beck up.

I never felt this good last night I got upset and took 5mgs in 30min's I still

felt bad do I took 5mgs more wow like day and night I felt great.

Phil

.

Gikas wrote:

Val,

I am really glad you posted this. I've been meaning to bring up some issues that

are causing me concern. I have been on HC now for one year, but prior to that,

before I got the doc to prescribe 15 mgs. per day, I took 5 mgs. prednisolone

for 3 months and then dropped down to 2.5 mgs. prednisolone for two months and

finally to the HC. In the last few months, I have tried on a few occasions to

drop down from 15 mgs. HC per day to 12.5 mgs. After about the third day, I

start having lots of problems. One time I tried dropping down to 10 mgs. for two

days and I became a total basketcase. I literally became a totally wired,

emotional, irritable bitch and I couldn't function. I HAD to go back to the 15

mgs. Also interesting to note and something I hadn't realized until now, is that

when I was taking 2.5 mgs. prednisolone per day is the time I went to the Fibro

and Fatigue Center and the doc there told me to stop taking that and put me on

10 mgs. of " bioidentical " cortisol instead.

I didn't understand all of this then, and now I can remember that when I did

this, I got MUCH MUCH worse and when I went back to her, I was a complete

basketcase and she thought I had " psychiatric " problems because of how

aggressive and irritable and emotional I was acting and wanted to put me on a

low dose of Zyprexa. NOW I realize that this was a huge drop in cortisol for me

to go from the effects of 2.5 mgs. prednisolone to 10 mgs. " bioidentical "

cortisol was a huge shock to my body. Given all of this, I have begun to wonder

if I will ever be able to get off Cortef, and I am confused about a few things,

e.g. I was reading the other day that taking 10 mgs. " prednisone " for three

weeks can suppress adrenal function and it can take a year to return. I don't

quite understand what they mean by that. Do they mean that if you stop it that

your adrenal glands won't work and you'll go into adrenal crisis? If so, then

how can they ever leave us without the stuff if we can go into

adrenal crisis, not to mention, how can I function the way I feel when I try to

lower my dose? I personally am a stress basket and I have NEVER been able to

relax in my life. I am a type A who grew up in a home where the fight or flight

response and alarm state were the norm. I never knew what was coming next. As I

grew into an adult, in my 20's, I married a man who continued to reinforce my

alarm state and I continued to " walk on eggshells " .....Later, a difficult

divorce, single mom for many years, and much loss and grief which I don't do

well with and eventually, total adrenal exhaustion. No matter how much I read

about this, I cannot understand how we I am supposed to ever get off this stuff

since go pretty coocoo when I even lower the dose by 2.5 mgs. for a couple of

days. I also don't understand that right now, would my adrenal glands work if I

just found myself without my cortef one day and went without it. Does adrenal

suppression mean " they don't work " or they just

don't work to their full capacity thus you won't die, but you'll be pretty

messed up. Does anyone have any information that could help me to understand

this better and could answer some of these questions. Right now, I don't feel I

can live without HC and it's scary!!

Stress Dosing- I will put this in the files

This is a tough subject as it is subjective to the person doing it.

Illness is a MAJOR stress on the body and thus the adrenals. Car

accidents, near misses, even without injuries can also be a severe

stress, I know I have experienced these things myself.

For severe stresses:

At first sign of adrenal symptoms or symptoms of illness- take 20MG HC.

This can be done twice daily for up to 3 days then it should be tapered

off dropping 1/3 the dose used for 2 days then drop another 1/3rd , then

in a couple days back to normal dose.

For every day stresses such as arguments, bad boss days, children sick

or misbehaving, etc..

At first sign of shakes take 5MG wait 15 minutes if symptoms persist,

take 5MG more, till symptoms STOP. You can take up to 20MG or double

your daily dose for up to three days then it will raise your everyday

needs so should be discontinued then.

Holiday stresses:

Try to curtail holiday activities as much as possible. DELEGATE

responsibilities, Do things ahead of time. Practice relaxation

techniques such as hot salt baths, meditation, aromatherapy, whatever

works for YOU. You are ILL it is OK to not do as much as you usually do,

or are expected to do. Do not be afraid to TELL people this! Our illness

is not very visible, especially to the uninformed. Do not expect them to

know you are ill unless you tell them so. Stress dosing may entail a

complete raise in meds for the duration of the holiday period. Last year

I took extra 5MG every day from 2 weeks before Xmas till New Years. Then

I tailed it back off to my regular dose. Some days are worse than

others, guest arrivals, ornery guests, long lost ( & should have stayed

that way) relatives turn up unexpectedly... Stress dose with whatever it

takes to relieve adrenal symptoms up to double your daily dose, but for

no more than three days straight. The symptoms especially nausea means

your adrenals are being damaged. The purpose of taking adrenal meds is

to stop more damage and allow the adrenals to heal. Always remember you

are in recovery from a serious illness, and remind others of this! Yes,

bitching and moaning are allowed! LOL

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Hi ,

I too grow up like this and know how you feel. I just finished the book Safe

Uses for Cortisol by Dr. Jefferies

http://members.aol.com/jefferiesw/

http://www.ccthomas.com/details.cfm?P_ISBN=039807500X

In his book he states to start at 20mgs a day and if you still dont feel

better you can go up to 30mgs a day and be safe. Like Val. said your Preg. was

to much to long and could have shut you down. He also says if your getting sick

with the flue or Bronchitis you can stress dose up to 100mgs a day and you will

beat this.

I think your does of HC is to low try doing 5mgs 4 times a day or 10mgs in the

morning if you bad off in the mornings. So of us that have live this life stile

may need HC for life. I would still try comming of it to see if adrenals start

up again but if you feel bad go beck up.

I never felt this good last night I got upset and took 5mgs in 30min's I still

felt bad do I took 5mgs more wow like day and night I felt great.

Phil

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Gikas wrote:

Val,

I am really glad you posted this. I've been meaning to bring up some issues that

are causing me concern. I have been on HC now for one year, but prior to that,

before I got the doc to prescribe 15 mgs. per day, I took 5 mgs. prednisolone

for 3 months and then dropped down to 2.5 mgs. prednisolone for two months and

finally to the HC. In the last few months, I have tried on a few occasions to

drop down from 15 mgs. HC per day to 12.5 mgs. After about the third day, I

start having lots of problems. One time I tried dropping down to 10 mgs. for two

days and I became a total basketcase. I literally became a totally wired,

emotional, irritable bitch and I couldn't function. I HAD to go back to the 15

mgs. Also interesting to note and something I hadn't realized until now, is that

when I was taking 2.5 mgs. prednisolone per day is the time I went to the Fibro

and Fatigue Center and the doc there told me to stop taking that and put me on

10 mgs. of " bioidentical " cortisol instead.

I didn't understand all of this then, and now I can remember that when I did

this, I got MUCH MUCH worse and when I went back to her, I was a complete

basketcase and she thought I had " psychiatric " problems because of how

aggressive and irritable and emotional I was acting and wanted to put me on a

low dose of Zyprexa. NOW I realize that this was a huge drop in cortisol for me

to go from the effects of 2.5 mgs. prednisolone to 10 mgs. " bioidentical "

cortisol was a huge shock to my body. Given all of this, I have begun to wonder

if I will ever be able to get off Cortef, and I am confused about a few things,

e.g. I was reading the other day that taking 10 mgs. " prednisone " for three

weeks can suppress adrenal function and it can take a year to return. I don't

quite understand what they mean by that. Do they mean that if you stop it that

your adrenal glands won't work and you'll go into adrenal crisis? If so, then

how can they ever leave us without the stuff if we can go into

adrenal crisis, not to mention, how can I function the way I feel when I try to

lower my dose? I personally am a stress basket and I have NEVER been able to

relax in my life. I am a type A who grew up in a home where the fight or flight

response and alarm state were the norm. I never knew what was coming next. As I

grew into an adult, in my 20's, I married a man who continued to reinforce my

alarm state and I continued to " walk on eggshells " .....Later, a difficult

divorce, single mom for many years, and much loss and grief which I don't do

well with and eventually, total adrenal exhaustion. No matter how much I read

about this, I cannot understand how we I am supposed to ever get off this stuff

since go pretty coocoo when I even lower the dose by 2.5 mgs. for a couple of

days. I also don't understand that right now, would my adrenal glands work if I

just found myself without my cortef one day and went without it. Does adrenal

suppression mean " they don't work " or they just

don't work to their full capacity thus you won't die, but you'll be pretty

messed up. Does anyone have any information that could help me to understand

this better and could answer some of these questions. Right now, I don't feel I

can live without HC and it's scary!!

Stress Dosing- I will put this in the files

This is a tough subject as it is subjective to the person doing it.

Illness is a MAJOR stress on the body and thus the adrenals. Car

accidents, near misses, even without injuries can also be a severe

stress, I know I have experienced these things myself.

For severe stresses:

At first sign of adrenal symptoms or symptoms of illness- take 20MG HC.

This can be done twice daily for up to 3 days then it should be tapered

off dropping 1/3 the dose used for 2 days then drop another 1/3rd , then

in a couple days back to normal dose.

For every day stresses such as arguments, bad boss days, children sick

or misbehaving, etc..

At first sign of shakes take 5MG wait 15 minutes if symptoms persist,

take 5MG more, till symptoms STOP. You can take up to 20MG or double

your daily dose for up to three days then it will raise your everyday

needs so should be discontinued then.

Holiday stresses:

Try to curtail holiday activities as much as possible. DELEGATE

responsibilities, Do things ahead of time. Practice relaxation

techniques such as hot salt baths, meditation, aromatherapy, whatever

works for YOU. You are ILL it is OK to not do as much as you usually do,

or are expected to do. Do not be afraid to TELL people this! Our illness

is not very visible, especially to the uninformed. Do not expect them to

know you are ill unless you tell them so. Stress dosing may entail a

complete raise in meds for the duration of the holiday period. Last year

I took extra 5MG every day from 2 weeks before Xmas till New Years. Then

I tailed it back off to my regular dose. Some days are worse than

others, guest arrivals, ornery guests, long lost ( & should have stayed

that way) relatives turn up unexpectedly... Stress dose with whatever it

takes to relieve adrenal symptoms up to double your daily dose, but for

no more than three days straight. The symptoms especially nausea means

your adrenals are being damaged. The purpose of taking adrenal meds is

to stop more damage and allow the adrenals to heal. Always remember you

are in recovery from a serious illness, and remind others of this! Yes,

bitching and moaning are allowed! LOL

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!)

http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/