Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 >> My daily averages do not spike up and down throught the week.<< This is what you need to look at. It is consistent with good adrenal function/support. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 >> My daily averages do not spike up and down throught the week.<< This is what you need to look at. It is consistent with good adrenal function/support. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 But why couldn't I tolerate Armour? I couldn't go beyond 45mg. without feeling worse (more fatigued/hormone headache). I also ordered Cortef thinking my adrenals are still unstable since I can't tolerate Armour. T wrote: >> My daily averages do not spike up and down throught the week.<< This is what you need to look at. It is consistent with good adrenal function/support. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 But why couldn't I tolerate Armour? I couldn't go beyond 45mg. without feeling worse (more fatigued/hormone headache). I also ordered Cortef thinking my adrenals are still unstable since I can't tolerate Armour. T wrote: >> My daily averages do not spike up and down throught the week.<< This is what you need to look at. It is consistent with good adrenal function/support. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 But why couldn't I tolerate Armour? I couldn't go beyond 45mg. without feeling worse (more fatigued/hormone headache). I also ordered Cortef thinking my adrenals are still unstable since I can't tolerate Armour. T wrote: >> My daily averages do not spike up and down throught the week.<< This is what you need to look at. It is consistent with good adrenal function/support. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ --------------------------------- Access over 1 million songs - Yahoo! Music Unlimited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Can you post your temps so I can look at them? With any notations about periods or illness, and just the averages. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Can you post your temps so I can look at them? With any notations about periods or illness, and just the averages. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Ok - Here are my daily averages taken everyday starting with Nov. 20th (period ended the 18th). No illnesses to mention. Temps prior to that are at work - going back tomorrow. 97.9 98.0 98.2 97.9 97.8 98.1 98.1 98.4 98.3 98.5 98.6 98.7 T wrote: Can you post your temps so I can look at them? With any notations about periods or illness, and just the averages. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Ok - Here are my daily averages taken everyday starting with Nov. 20th (period ended the 18th). No illnesses to mention. Temps prior to that are at work - going back tomorrow. 97.9 98.0 98.2 97.9 97.8 98.1 98.1 98.4 98.3 98.5 98.6 98.7 T wrote: Can you post your temps so I can look at them? With any notations about periods or illness, and just the averages. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Ok - Here are my daily averages taken everyday starting with Nov. 20th (period ended the 18th). No illnesses to mention. Temps prior to that are at work - going back tomorrow. 97.9 98.0 98.2 97.9 97.8 98.1 98.1 98.4 98.3 98.5 98.6 98.7 T wrote: Can you post your temps so I can look at them? With any notations about periods or illness, and just the averages. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ --------------------------------- Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your question on Yahoo! Answers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Ok - Here are my daily averages taken everyday starting with Nov. 20th (period ended the 18th). No illnesses to mention. Temps prior to that are at work - going back tomorrow. 97.9 98.0 98.2 97.9 97.8 98.1 98.1 98.4 98.3 98.5 98.6 98.7 T wrote: Can you post your temps so I can look at them? With any notations about periods or illness, and just the averages. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ --------------------------------- Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 OK I am seeing a steady rise, which is great but there is still too much fluctuation. It needs to be less than .2 degrees for 3-5 days straight to be considered enough adrenal support. Your latest ones go from 98.3 to 98.7 in the same group of days. H0however averaging any over 98.6 is not good and could indicate too much thyroid or the beginning of a thyroid dump. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Oh, now I have a better understanding of this - there is an adrenal problem. I was getting confused how to read them. I guess I'm headed in the right direction by ordering Cortef. I certainly don't feel energetic at higher temps. Thank you, Val. T wrote: on OK I am seeing a steady rise, which is great but there is still too much fluctuation. It needs to be less than .2 degrees for 3-5 days straight to be considered enough adrenal support. Your latest ones go from 98.3 to 98.7 in the same group of days. H0however averaging any over 98.6 is not good and could indicate too much thyroid or the beginning of a thyroid dump. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Now you have me worried I dropped Isocort 4 pills in the morning and started on 10mgs of HC still doing Isocort 2 pills at noon and dinner. My temps went up and are steady but on the higher side here are the avg's. Starting last Sunday. 98.5 98.7 98.7 98.8 98.8 98.8 and today looks like it's going to be 98.7 Am I heading to a dump I feel fine. Phil wrote: Oh, now I have a better understanding of this - there is an adrenal problem. I was getting confused how to read them. I guess I'm headed in the right direction by ordering Cortef. I certainly don't feel energetic at higher temps. Thank you, Val. T wrote: on OK I am seeing a steady rise, which is great but there is still too much fluctuation. It needs to be less than .2 degrees for 3-5 days straight to be considered enough adrenal support. Your latest ones go from 98.3 to 98.7 in the same group of days. H0however averaging any over 98.6 is not good and could indicate too much thyroid or the beginning of a thyroid dump. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 >>98.5 98.7 98.7 98.8 98.8 98.8 and today looks like it's going to be 98.7 Am I heading to a dump I feel fine.<< As long as it doesn't average 99 you should be fine and they will most likely return to a more normal level in a day or two, but if they hit 99 STOP Armour till they do go down again. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Thanks I am going from isocort tomorrow so it will be 10mgs of HC in the moring and 5mgs at noon the 2 pill of Isocort at dinner. I am hoping this goes good. Phil wrote: >>98.5 98.7 98.7 98.8 98.8 98.8 and today looks like it's going to be 98.7 Am I heading to a dump I feel fine.<< As long as it doesn't average 99 you should be fine and they will most likely return to a more normal level in a day or two, but if they hit 99 STOP Armour till they do go down again. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ --------------------------------- Cheap Talk? Check out Yahoo! Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 I thought it would be better to switch all doses over to HC because the true amount of cortisol in Isocort is not absolute like HC. - is this a good way to ease into HC or do you recommend doing each separately? philip georgian wrote: Now you have me worried I dropped Isocort 4 pills in the morning and started on 10mgs of HC still doing Isocort 2 pills at noon and dinner. My temps went up and are steady but on the higher side here are the avg's. Starting last Sunday. 98.5 98.7 98.7 98.8 98.8 98.8 and today looks like it's going to be 98.7 Am I heading to a dump I feel fine. Phil wrote: Oh, now I have a better understanding of this - there is an adrenal problem. I was getting confused how to read them. I guess I'm headed in the right direction by ordering Cortef. I certainly don't feel energetic at higher temps. Thank you, Val. T wrote: on OK I am seeing a steady rise, which is great but there is still too much fluctuation. It needs to be less than .2 degrees for 3-5 days straight to be considered enough adrenal support. Your latest ones go from 98.3 to 98.7 in the same group of days. H0however averaging any over 98.6 is not good and could indicate too much thyroid or the beginning of a thyroid dump. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 I thought it would be better to switch all doses over to HC because the true amount of cortisol in Isocort is not absolute like HC. - is this a good way to ease into HC or do you recommend doing each separately? philip georgian wrote: Now you have me worried I dropped Isocort 4 pills in the morning and started on 10mgs of HC still doing Isocort 2 pills at noon and dinner. My temps went up and are steady but on the higher side here are the avg's. Starting last Sunday. 98.5 98.7 98.7 98.8 98.8 98.8 and today looks like it's going to be 98.7 Am I heading to a dump I feel fine. Phil wrote: Oh, now I have a better understanding of this - there is an adrenal problem. I was getting confused how to read them. I guess I'm headed in the right direction by ordering Cortef. I certainly don't feel energetic at higher temps. Thank you, Val. T wrote: on OK I am seeing a steady rise, which is great but there is still too much fluctuation. It needs to be less than .2 degrees for 3-5 days straight to be considered enough adrenal support. Your latest ones go from 98.3 to 98.7 in the same group of days. H0however averaging any over 98.6 is not good and could indicate too much thyroid or the beginning of a thyroid dump. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 I thought it would be better to switch all doses over to HC because the true amount of cortisol in Isocort is not absolute like HC. - is this a good way to ease into HC or do you recommend doing each separately? philip georgian wrote: Now you have me worried I dropped Isocort 4 pills in the morning and started on 10mgs of HC still doing Isocort 2 pills at noon and dinner. My temps went up and are steady but on the higher side here are the avg's. Starting last Sunday. 98.5 98.7 98.7 98.8 98.8 98.8 and today looks like it's going to be 98.7 Am I heading to a dump I feel fine. Phil wrote: Oh, now I have a better understanding of this - there is an adrenal problem. I was getting confused how to read them. I guess I'm headed in the right direction by ordering Cortef. I certainly don't feel energetic at higher temps. Thank you, Val. T wrote: on OK I am seeing a steady rise, which is great but there is still too much fluctuation. It needs to be less than .2 degrees for 3-5 days straight to be considered enough adrenal support. Your latest ones go from 98.3 to 98.7 in the same group of days. H0however averaging any over 98.6 is not good and could indicate too much thyroid or the beginning of a thyroid dump. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ --------------------------------- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 - that pattern is normal if you are still having your periods. Your temperature spikes at ovulation & and is higher the 2nd half of your cycle due to your increased progesterone. http://www.ovulation-calculator.com/basal-body-temperature.htm http://www.womenfitness.net/bbt.htm http://www.ovusoft.com/library/primer005.asp Perhaps you have to compare your current pattern to your norms of previous months. I'm sure Val & others will have input. I've wondered about this myself. Menstruation complicates this method a bit. NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " florida_native222 " wrote: > This pattern of fluctuating temps I'm having seems to be consistent, at least for the past 3 months I've been tracking my temps. My daily averages do not spike up and down throught the week. What is happening, is that my temps are lower in the first half of my cycle. I still have periods. Then temps steadily rise in the second half of the cycle. They start at about 97.8 daily average then all the way up to 98.6 average. Do any of you experience this type of PATTERNED variablity? To me, I don't feel this type of pattern is a good way of seeing how the adrenals are doing, especially of it's the same each month. I did have a saliva test for Cortisol and it showed that I could use some. Something just isn't right here. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 >>I thought it would be better to switch all doses over to HC because the true amount of cortisol in Isocort is not absolute like HC. - is this a good way to ease into HC or do you recommend doing each separately?<< I think this transitioning is the best way to do it. It saves the adrenal stress of weaning off Isocort when your adrenals really are not ready for it. -- Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!) http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/ http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Yes, you are correct in this, but you are referring to basal temps. I posted my daily averages which do seem to correspond with this basal pattern. In another words, when my temperature is very low like 97.5 upon awakening, my daily averages tend to be lower (like 98.1) but when my basal is 98.1, my daily averages are higher (98.6). I contacted Dr. Rind personally via email and he said that in healthy women, no matter what time of the month, her temperature should average 98.6. I think said this too but she hasn't had her period in decades. Are there any other menstruating women on this forum who have observed this pattern. It really complicates things and I don't know that there is a lot of data for this or really whether temps. are an accurate tool for observing adrenal function. Confused, jtb14789 wrote: - that pattern is normal if you are still having your periods. Your temperature spikes at ovulation & and is higher the 2nd half of your cycle due to your increased progesterone. http://www.ovulation-calculator.com/basal-body-temperature.htm http://www.womenfitness.net/bbt.htm http://www.ovusoft.com/library/primer005.asp Perhaps you have to compare your current pattern to your norms of previous months. I'm sure Val & others will have input. I've wondered about this myself. Menstruation complicates this method a bit. NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " florida_native222 " wrote: > This pattern of fluctuating temps I'm having seems to be consistent, at least for the past 3 months I've been tracking my temps. My daily averages do not spike up and down throught the week. What is happening, is that my temps are lower in the first half of my cycle. I still have periods. Then temps steadily rise in the second half of the cycle. They start at about 97.8 daily average then all the way up to 98.6 average. Do any of you experience this type of PATTERNED variablity? To me, I don't feel this type of pattern is a good way of seeing how the adrenals are doing, especially of it's the same each month. I did have a saliva test for Cortisol and it showed that I could use some. Something just isn't right here. > > > --------------------------------- Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 Yes, you are correct in this, but you are referring to basal temps. I posted my daily averages which do seem to correspond with this basal pattern. In another words, when my temperature is very low like 97.5 upon awakening, my daily averages tend to be lower (like 98.1) but when my basal is 98.1, my daily averages are higher (98.6). I contacted Dr. Rind personally via email and he said that in healthy women, no matter what time of the month, her temperature should average 98.6. I think said this too but she hasn't had her period in decades. Are there any other menstruating women on this forum who have observed this pattern. It really complicates things and I don't know that there is a lot of data for this or really whether temps. are an accurate tool for observing adrenal function. Confused, jtb14789 wrote: - that pattern is normal if you are still having your periods. Your temperature spikes at ovulation & and is higher the 2nd half of your cycle due to your increased progesterone. http://www.ovulation-calculator.com/basal-body-temperature.htm http://www.womenfitness.net/bbt.htm http://www.ovusoft.com/library/primer005.asp Perhaps you have to compare your current pattern to your norms of previous months. I'm sure Val & others will have input. I've wondered about this myself. Menstruation complicates this method a bit. NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , " florida_native222 " wrote: > This pattern of fluctuating temps I'm having seems to be consistent, at least for the past 3 months I've been tracking my temps. My daily averages do not spike up and down throught the week. What is happening, is that my temps are lower in the first half of my cycle. I still have periods. Then temps steadily rise in the second half of the cycle. They start at about 97.8 daily average then all the way up to 98.6 average. Do any of you experience this type of PATTERNED variablity? To me, I don't feel this type of pattern is a good way of seeing how the adrenals are doing, especially of it's the same each month. I did have a saliva test for Cortisol and it showed that I could use some. Something just isn't right here. > > > --------------------------------- Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 > > I thought it would be better to switch all doses over to HC because the true amount of cortisol in Isocort is not absolute like HC. > > - is this a good way to ease into HC or do you recommend doing each separately? > I'm not Val, but I would switch over slowly. I did half Isocort/half HC for a week, then gradually replaced. Initially, I switched over to HC entirely, and it was REALLY harsh. I'd vote for 1/2 & 1/2 for a week... Warmly, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 3, 2006 Report Share Posted December 3, 2006 > > I thought it would be better to switch all doses over to HC because the true amount of cortisol in Isocort is not absolute like HC. > > - is this a good way to ease into HC or do you recommend doing each separately? > I'm not Val, but I would switch over slowly. I did half Isocort/half HC for a week, then gradually replaced. Initially, I switched over to HC entirely, and it was REALLY harsh. I'd vote for 1/2 & 1/2 for a week... Warmly, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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