Guest guest Posted May 29, 2000 Report Share Posted May 29, 2000 It's been shown (somewhere or other) that bee venom kills mycoplasma. Chris. > > >--------- Forwarded message ---------- >From: Calvert@... (The Calverts) >Apither-L@... (Apitherapy-L Mailing List) >Date: 28 May 2000 15:03:12 GMT >Subject: [Apitherapy-L] - BVT treatment questions >Message-ID: <200005290014.DAA12202@...> >Hi, I received this from the bee venom list. Pretty amazing if you can >get past the idea (an pain) of the bee stings. It makes me cringe to >think of it, but they say it works for RA pain. >love, >Gloria > > >I have been administering BVT to a woman with degenerative lumbar discs >who >has had continual low back and sciatic pain for the past 22 years since >she >fell off a roof and broke off her tailbone and injured the lumbar area. > >The very first test sting took away her pain! Quite amazing. We have >been >keeping her pain free with 4-7 stings 3 times per week varying >places...lumbar area, sciatic nerve path, hips, knees and ankles. She is >delighted and is now stinging herself and having her sister sting her >lumbar >area. She says she feels like she has gotten her life back. Bless the >bees. > >I do follow everyone's correspondence and cheer you on! > >Sincerely, > >Fran Calvert > >--- Apitherapy-L > > << To remove your name from the list or to obtain other >> > << How To " information: send an email to >> > < Apither-L@... > > << with the word HELP in the Subject line. >> > > >________________________________________________________________ >YOU'RE PAYING TOO MUCH FOR THE INTERNET! >Juno now offers FREE Internet Access! >Try it today - there's no risk! For your FREE software, visit: >http://dl.www.juno.com/get/tagj. > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ >Buy Long Distance with your GROUP and SAVE!!! >1/4123/0/_/532797/_/959570864/ >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 29, 2000 Report Share Posted May 29, 2000 In a message dated 05/29/2000 12:56:23 AM Pacific Daylight Time, cadlard@... writes: << It's been shown (somewhere or other) that bee venom kills Mycroplasma >> Just my luck I am allergic severely to bee stings. Ah well good thing the antibiotics work. :-) I am feeling just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 15, 2000 Report Share Posted July 15, 2000 From: "Jim & Delaine Lowry" <keywest@...> > What was that sight for bee venom therapy. Thanks http://www2.shore.net/~spectrum/apitherapy.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2000 Report Share Posted July 23, 2000 On Sun, 23 Jul 2000 krhess@... wrote: > from Dr. Mercola's on-line alternative health newsletter--July 23 with > his comment at the end: > > >Bee Venom Protocol For Lyme's Disease > Dr. Klinghardt uses 0.5 ml Bee-venom form Canada ( Simics) in 2.5 > ml Procaine and injects 0.5 ml procaine in tender spot subcutaneously > into the skin. It is relatively painless and has an incredible effect in > his Lyme Disease patients. In some it lasts for 2 days and in others for < SNIP > I was AMAZED to read the above article and the other medical results at the end of the page. Some years ago when my Wife was still mobile and teaching school, (and I was her official aid) we began a special therapy to help her MULTIPLE SCLEROSIS. This was BEE VENOM Therapy. I got my bees from down south and my bee box from Maine and did the live bee stings as protocol indicated. (We were taught from a lady in middle New Jersey who was recognized then as doing some remarakable work with MS patients). My wife and I noted IMMEDIATE improvement in sensation/warmth/ bladder control, pain relief and mental acquity as well as mobility. We continued the therapy for some time always with improvement. Because of her teaching schedule and the care of children at home (etc.) we were not as consistant with this therapy as we should have been - and because of that we cannot testify to more improvement as we did not continue (only because of our schedules). Our neurologist was in favor of the home-treatment and had read positive literature on the subject. At that time live bees were the only way to get the most benefit of the venom - as laboratory venom was not as effective. I therefore find this rather interesting and a positive finding. I will look forward to more reports on this new avenue for potential treatment of Lyme. -Glen Wolfsen (from beautiful New Jersey) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2000 Report Share Posted August 19, 2000 Robynn wrote: Could someone provide Silvia with information about Bee Venom Therapy related to Lyme ... ? Hi Robynn, Articles are at http://www.centuryinter.net/tjs11/bug/l6.htm Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 19, 2000 Report Share Posted August 19, 2000 Thank you! Robynn > Re: [ ] Bee Venom Therapy > > > > > > Robynn wrote: > > > > Could someone provide Silvia with information about > > Bee Venom Therapy related to Lyme ... ? > > > > Hi Robynn, > > > > Articles are at > > http://www.centuryinter.net/tjs11/bug/l6.htm > > > > Jack > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2000 Report Share Posted October 18, 2000 I've been following all the talk about bee venom with interest, but I have a question for those doing it. Doesn't this really hurt? I got stung a couple of weeks ago by one " wild " bee. It stung me on my finger near the knuckle and it was painful for DAYS. How often do you sting (daily?weekly?) and how many stings at once? -Theresa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2001 Report Share Posted May 9, 2001 Glen wrote: Did anyone see an article on this group (or any other for that matter) about bee venom therapy (which is being researched in relation to MS.) in relation to Lyme Disease? Hi Glen, I have some info at http://www.centurytel.net/tjs11/bug/l6.htm Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2002 Report Share Posted September 12, 2002 >Dear Tamara, and Everyone, > >I am so happy to hear that you are doing so well. We sure do need to hear >stories like this. > >OK, I'm going to reveal my ignorance (and also the fact that I haven't >paid much attention to previous posts): what is bee venom therapy? One thing you can do is to search the archives at the lyme-aid home site. It is a little time consuming, but a great tool. Apitherapy is the use of products of the honey bee colonies: Propolis, Pollen, Honey, Royal Jelly, Bee Venom, and Honey cappings. Bee Venom Therapy involves the use of bee venom either in the form of live bees, or in injectible form, to treat disease. It is only approved in the US for use in desensitiziation of allergic persons to bee venom- where dilute injections are given until the person is desensitized. However, there are doctors in the US, and around the world who use bee venom therapy in their practice. There is also a sort of grass roots movement of apitherapists who usually are treating themselves, but may also hold stinging sessions and assist others to learn to treat themselves. they cannot charge for these services. Some ask for a donation, but I get the feeling that most do it to share their enthusiasm and help others. There are a couple of courses that can be taken to learn Apitherapy. One is an online course- info at apitherapy.com (url below) There is a simple safety protocol and a few contraindications in BVT. So, don't run out and start catching bees yet! > Where can I get it? It obviously preferable to have experienced guidance when undertaking treatment of disease, but one nice thing about Apitherapy is that you can get the treatment without any prescription. This might prove very valuable to those who are marginalized by the medical system and can't find proper medical care, or who simply can't afford it. Like I said, there are doctors and other health professionals using it in their practices, but they are few and far between, and I don't think many are treating lyme. Dr. Klinghardt is treating lyme with BV, herbs, and other stuff. I haven't spoken to any of his patients. Bees can be caught from spring through early autumn, you can keep a hive (which is really neat and you don't need much space), get them from a local bee keeper (quite possibly for free), or you can order live bees through the mail. > Who do I ask? Me! If you are still interested after doing some reading (bibliography and links below) I can refer you a little further afield. Also, let me know where you are and check the Apitherapy database for apitherapists and practicioners in your area, and you can post to the Apitherapy list server (a low traffic international bulletin board on apitherapy) Both accesible from Apitherapy.com. For anyone in the S.F. Bay area, a friend and I may do an ad-lib talk and demo. at the Marin lyme support group. Let me know if interested, and I'll contact you if and when it happens (possibly this month on 25th???). > Who believes in it? A handful of doctors, and the people that have used it successfully. One of the reasons that I became interested is because of the overwhelming enthusiasm put forth by people who have used it succsesfully on themselves and others. Would people keep stinging themselves with bees for sometimes years on end if it didn't work? Possibly some, but not most. I know only 3 people who use it for lyme besides ourselves, but one other who had erethema migrans and subsequently developed MS after a short term antibiotic course. > (is it mainstream or considered alternative?) Definitely on the fringe > Would my LLMD know? Probably heard of it, but.... > >I'm a total neophyte in this area and would love to learn more. Any >responses or links would be greatly appreciated. We are quite intrigued with it. I may at some point carefully write a post outlining my case for further exploration into using BVT for lyme disease, but basically my reasons are:- it seems to be useful in diseases which lyme can cause: MS, ALS, LUPUS, RA, other arthritises, CFS, FM etc... Those 4 people I mentioned earlier. Dr. Klinghardt uses it specifically for lyme, and there was a small paper published showing that Mellitin, a major component of bee venom, had a powerful effect against Borrellia in vitro. Not as much to go on as one would like, but that is exactly why more people need to give it a try to see how many of us it can help. The two things I would really like to see are... *more lyme patients trying this modality which might give us another tool to use in treating this stubborn disease. And we need all we can get. *To see people who already use Apitherapy for diseases which can be caused by lyme be evaluated properly for lyme disease to see if that is what they are treating. If many of them are treating lyme, it sets an example that it can work for lyme, but, it also gives those people the benefit of the experienced gained in treatment of lyme by other methods, and a causative agent for their disease. With these two things, we don't need medical research. We have the bee stuff. The proof is in the pudding. It either works or it doesn't. The research will follow us eventually if it does work. When bee stings are outlawed, only outlaws will get bee stings? BIBLIOGRAPHY: (Remember, your library may be able to get some of these books on loan.) Bees Don't Get Arthritis: Fred Malone Easy to read intro to concepts of BVT (bee venom therapy). Not a how too. How Well Are You Willing to Bee: Pat Wagner More of a how too, geared toward MS http://www.olg.com/beelady/ Health and the Honeybee: Mraz Simple and short by one of BVT's biggest promoters Bee in Balance: Amber Rose 1994 ASIN #: 0964181002 Emphasis on treating MS and stinging on Acupuncture points. http://www.amberrose.com/ Bee Venom Therapy: Bodog F Beck Supposed to be the definitive work on the subject D. Appleton Century Co. NY 1935 Bee Venom, the Natural curative For Arthritis and Rheumatism ph Broadman G.P. Putnams Sons NY 1962 Bee Venom: Exploring the Healing Power Simics Apitronics Publishing Richmond BC 1994 ISBN: 0969765401 http://www.direct.ca/beevenom/ URL's *Apitherapy Database http://www.apitherapy.com/ American Apitherapy Society http://apitherapy.org/ GLORYBEE: SOURCE OF PROPOLIS, POLLEN, ETC... http://www.glorybee.com/mail.html > >Sincere thanks, and healing to all, > >Marie You are welcome! E. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 I have RA and have read many of the posted messages. The pain and exhaustion that is freqently mentioned is very familiar to me. Has anyone tried using live bees for bee sting therapy? Some people claim it works very well in reducing pain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2007 Report Share Posted June 21, 2007 Really bee stings??? Is it the sting or do they have anytype of stuff in their sting? Interesting I will have to look into that? [ ] Bee venom therapy I have RA and have read many of the posted messages. The pain and exhaustion that is freqently mentioned is very familiar to me. Has anyone tried using live bees for bee sting therapy? Some people claim it works very well in reducing pain. ________________________________________________________________________________\ ____ Sucker-punch spam with award-winning protection. Try the free Beta. http://advision.webevents./mailbeta/features_spam.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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