Re: Stopping Armour Abruptly and I continue to be miserable

[Guest guest]

When my Wife switch from Synthroid to Armour she started at a low dose 30mgs in

4 weeks tested and the Dr. went to 6O mgs. in 4 more week after testing he went

to 120 and she ended up in the ER we though she was having a heart attack. We

told the ER that her Armour was raised and they said that will not do this.

After they did every test BCBS would pay for they told us they could not find

any thing wrong. This is the crap the ER does the next day she went to her Dr.

and he told her to stop the armour so she was on this for about a week and

stopped cold and she had not problems. It's too bad at the time the Dr. she was

seeing did not know about low Cortisol and Thyroid. Now that I find I have the

same problem here I am searching the web to help her and find I have the same

problem. It's in the Dr.'s Desk Reference Book to allway test Cortisol levels

first before treating thyroid because if your Cortisol levels are to low it can

kill you. Yet they don't do it.

Phil

KathyKate@... wrote:

3b. Re: stopping Armour abruptly

Posted by: " " florida_native222@... florida_native222

Date: Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:01 am ((PST))

But what about the dangers of stopping Armour abruptly

even a small dose of 60mg.? Should I be concerned?

Kathleen in Ct. Here.

Hi all.

I stopped armour abruptly recently because of two trips to the ER and Val's

advise to stop all thyroid until my adrenals and cortisol started to build

up. I was only taking Armour for a year (three years before that on Levoxyl)

and I kept getting TSH's that were .08 with low average on T4 and T3.

After putting myself through too much stress being chairperson of a reunion

committee, I ended up in the ER twice with anxiety.

My endo started me on Cortisol and every time I took it, I would get a

thyroid dump from all the armour floating in my blood and it sent me into

anxiety

and to the ER. After two trips, Val and I decided (Val mostly) that I

should stop all thyroid until I build my cortisol or the armour lowered in my

blood.

It took two weeks to feel better and stop the jitters. Then my labs come

back that my TSH has gone from .08 to 99.1. Well the endo calls and tells

me to start up armour again. That didn't work out, still gave me terrible

jitters. So, I switched back onto Levoxyl for the last two weeks.

I have only got myself up to 7.5 to 10 mg of HC during the day and I went

from 25 mcg of levoxyl for one week and this week upp'd it to 50mcg. Well,

mistake. I have to up the HC if I am upping the Levoxyl.

So, I am back off Levoxyl for a while (2 days) until I lower it in my blood

to up the HC, then up the levoxyl. I had another jitter session this

morning and didn't go to the ER, but wanted to for a few hours. My blood

pressure went from 110/70 to 143/85 to 149/111 and it went like that for an hour

with temps of 99.6 to 100.

It all finally calmed down in two hours and the BP went back to 128/70.

The endo finally called at 7 p.m. this evening (about time) and he said, take

more cortisol. Whenever I feel jittery, don't take any more levoxyl, take

more cortisol. It is up to me how much and when

He doesn't give me help with timing or amounts and he hung up and told me to

stop whining.

I hate being like this. I really can't stand it.

Kathleen in CT

[Guest guest]

If those ignorant ER docs would have looked Armour up in their drug books they

would have seen that YES INDEED too much Armour in the blood stream will cause a

person heart palpitations and tachycardia. I hope you didn't pay that bill.

Michigan

philip georgian wrote:

When my Wife switch from Synthroid to Armour she started at a low dose

30mgs in 4 weeks tested and the Dr. went to 6O mgs. in 4 more week after testing

he went to 120 and she ended up in the ER we though she was having a heart

attack. We told the ER that her Armour was raised and they said that will not do

this. After they did every test BCBS would pay for they told us they could not

find any thing wrong. This is the crap the ER does the next day she went to her

Dr. and he told her to stop the armour so she was on this for about a week and

stopped cold and she had not problems. It's too bad at the time the Dr. she was

seeing did not know about low Cortisol and Thyroid. Now that I find I have the

same problem here I am searching the web to help her and find I have the same

problem. It's in the Dr.'s Desk Reference Book to allway test Cortisol levels

first before treating thyroid because if your Cortisol levels are to low it can

kill you. Yet they don't do it.

Phil

KathyKate@... wrote:

3b. Re: stopping Armour abruptly

Posted by: " " florida_native222@... florida_native222

Date: Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:01 am ((PST))

But what about the dangers of stopping Armour abruptly

even a small dose of 60mg.? Should I be concerned?

Kathleen in Ct. Here.

Hi all.

I stopped armour abruptly recently because of two trips to the ER and Val's

advise to stop all thyroid until my adrenals and cortisol started to build

up. I was only taking Armour for a year (three years before that on Levoxyl)

and I kept getting TSH's that were .08 with low average on T4 and T3.

After putting myself through too much stress being chairperson of a reunion

committee, I ended up in the ER twice with anxiety.

My endo started me on Cortisol and every time I took it, I would get a

thyroid dump from all the armour floating in my blood and it sent me into

anxiety

and to the ER. After two trips, Val and I decided (Val mostly) that I

should stop all thyroid until I build my cortisol or the armour lowered in my

blood.

It took two weeks to feel better and stop the jitters. Then my labs come

back that my TSH has gone from .08 to 99.1. Well the endo calls and tells

me to start up armour again. That didn't work out, still gave me terrible

jitters. So, I switched back onto Levoxyl for the last two weeks.

I have only got myself up to 7.5 to 10 mg of HC during the day and I went

from 25 mcg of levoxyl for one week and this week upp'd it to 50mcg. Well,

mistake. I have to up the HC if I am upping the Levoxyl.

So, I am back off Levoxyl for a while (2 days) until I lower it in my blood

to up the HC, then up the levoxyl. I had another jitter session this

morning and didn't go to the ER, but wanted to for a few hours. My blood

pressure went from 110/70 to 143/85 to 149/111 and it went like that for an hour

with temps of 99.6 to 100.

It all finally calmed down in two hours and the BP went back to 128/70.

The endo finally called at 7 p.m. this evening (about time) and he said, take

more cortisol. Whenever I feel jittery, don't take any more levoxyl, take

more cortisol. It is up to me how much and when

He doesn't give me help with timing or amounts and he hung up and told me to

stop whining.

I hate being like this. I really can't stand it.

Kathleen in CT

[Guest guest]

Hi and it was Troy Beaumont Hosp Troy MI. We call BCBS and put in a

complant it's still pending.

Phil

Z wrote:

If those ignorant ER docs would have looked Armour up in their drug

books they would have seen that YES INDEED too much Armour in the blood stream

will cause a person heart palpitations and tachycardia. I hope you didn't pay

that bill.

Michigan

philip georgian wrote:

When my Wife switch from Synthroid to Armour she started at a low dose 30mgs in

4 weeks tested and the Dr. went to 6O mgs. in 4 more week after testing he went

to 120 and she ended up in the ER we though she was having a heart attack. We

told the ER that her Armour was raised and they said that will not do this.

After they did every test BCBS would pay for they told us they could not find

any thing wrong. This is the crap the ER does the next day she went to her Dr.

and he told her to stop the armour so she was on this for about a week and

stopped cold and she had not problems. It's too bad at the time the Dr. she was

seeing did not know about low Cortisol and Thyroid. Now that I find I have the

same problem here I am searching the web to help her and find I have the same

problem. It's in the Dr.'s Desk Reference Book to allway test Cortisol levels

first before treating thyroid because if your Cortisol levels are to low it can

kill you. Yet they don't do it.

Phil

KathyKate@... wrote:

3b. Re: stopping Armour abruptly

Posted by: " " florida_native222@... florida_native222

Date: Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:01 am ((PST))

But what about the dangers of stopping Armour abruptly

even a small dose of 60mg.? Should I be concerned?

Kathleen in Ct. Here.

Hi all.

I stopped armour abruptly recently because of two trips to the ER and Val's

advise to stop all thyroid until my adrenals and cortisol started to build

up. I was only taking Armour for a year (three years before that on Levoxyl)

and I kept getting TSH's that were .08 with low average on T4 and T3.

After putting myself through too much stress being chairperson of a reunion

committee, I ended up in the ER twice with anxiety.

My endo started me on Cortisol and every time I took it, I would get a

thyroid dump from all the armour floating in my blood and it sent me into

anxiety

and to the ER. After two trips, Val and I decided (Val mostly) that I

should stop all thyroid until I build my cortisol or the armour lowered in my

blood.

It took two weeks to feel better and stop the jitters. Then my labs come

back that my TSH has gone from .08 to 99.1. Well the endo calls and tells

me to start up armour again. That didn't work out, still gave me terrible

jitters. So, I switched back onto Levoxyl for the last two weeks.

I have only got myself up to 7.5 to 10 mg of HC during the day and I went

from 25 mcg of levoxyl for one week and this week upp'd it to 50mcg. Well,

mistake. I have to up the HC if I am upping the Levoxyl.

So, I am back off Levoxyl for a while (2 days) until I lower it in my blood

to up the HC, then up the levoxyl. I had another jitter session this

morning and didn't go to the ER, but wanted to for a few hours. My blood

pressure went from 110/70 to 143/85 to 149/111 and it went like that for an hour

with temps of 99.6 to 100.

It all finally calmed down in two hours and the BP went back to 128/70.

The endo finally called at 7 p.m. this evening (about time) and he said, take

more cortisol. Whenever I feel jittery, don't take any more levoxyl, take

more cortisol. It is up to me how much and when

He doesn't give me help with timing or amounts and he hung up and told me to

stop whining.

I hate being like this. I really can't stand it.

Kathleen in CT

[Guest guest]

Phil - I'm glad to hear you and your wife are back on track. What a story! This

is the second day I've stopped Armour (60mg.)/day and I feel no repurcusions.

I've also learned to make sure my temps don't fluctuate before introducing

Armour again. You can actually feel the hormone buildup in your blood and it

gives you a terrible hormone headache. My temps were stable for up to two weeks

at a time and I thought that you can introduce Armour at that point, so I don't

understand this all. The others here give it at least 5 days, so what am I

missing?

philip georgian wrote:

When my Wife switch from Synthroid to Armour she started at a low dose

30mgs in 4 weeks tested and the Dr. went to 6O mgs. in 4 more week after testing

he went to 120 and she ended up in the ER we though she was having a heart

attack. We told the ER that her Armour was raised and they said that will not do

this. After they did every test BCBS would pay for they told us they could not

find any thing wrong. This is the crap the ER does the next day she went to her

Dr. and he told her to stop the armour so she was on this for about a week and

stopped cold and she had not problems. It's too bad at the time the Dr. she was

seeing did not know about low Cortisol and Thyroid. Now that I find I have the

same problem here I am searching the web to help her and find I have the same

problem. It's in the Dr.'s Desk Reference Book to allway test Cortisol levels

first before treating thyroid because if your Cortisol levels are to low it can

kill you. Yet they don't do it.

Phil

KathyKate@... wrote:

3b. Re: stopping Armour abruptly

Posted by: " " florida_native222@... florida_native222

Date: Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:01 am ((PST))

But what about the dangers of stopping Armour abruptly

even a small dose of 60mg.? Should I be concerned?

Kathleen in Ct. Here.

Hi all.

I stopped armour abruptly recently because of two trips to the ER and Val's

advise to stop all thyroid until my adrenals and cortisol started to build

up. I was only taking Armour for a year (three years before that on Levoxyl)

and I kept getting TSH's that were .08 with low average on T4 and T3.

After putting myself through too much stress being chairperson of a reunion

committee, I ended up in the ER twice with anxiety.

My endo started me on Cortisol and every time I took it, I would get a

thyroid dump from all the armour floating in my blood and it sent me into

anxiety

and to the ER. After two trips, Val and I decided (Val mostly) that I

should stop all thyroid until I build my cortisol or the armour lowered in my

blood.

It took two weeks to feel better and stop the jitters. Then my labs come

back that my TSH has gone from .08 to 99.1. Well the endo calls and tells

me to start up armour again. That didn't work out, still gave me terrible

jitters. So, I switched back onto Levoxyl for the last two weeks.

I have only got myself up to 7.5 to 10 mg of HC during the day and I went

from 25 mcg of levoxyl for one week and this week upp'd it to 50mcg. Well,

mistake. I have to up the HC if I am upping the Levoxyl.

So, I am back off Levoxyl for a while (2 days) until I lower it in my blood

to up the HC, then up the levoxyl. I had another jitter session this

morning and didn't go to the ER, but wanted to for a few hours. My blood

pressure went from 110/70 to 143/85 to 149/111 and it went like that for an hour

with temps of 99.6 to 100.

It all finally calmed down in two hours and the BP went back to 128/70.

The endo finally called at 7 p.m. this evening (about time) and he said, take

more cortisol. Whenever I feel jittery, don't take any more levoxyl, take

more cortisol. It is up to me how much and when

He doesn't give me help with timing or amounts and he hung up and told me to

stop whining.

I hate being like this. I really can't stand it.

Kathleen in CT

[Guest guest]

I am not sure how much did you go up I only do 15mgs at a time.

Phil

wrote:

Phil - I'm glad to hear you and your wife are back on track. What a

story! This is the second day I've stopped Armour (60mg.)/day and I feel no

repurcusions. I've also learned to make sure my temps don't fluctuate before

introducing Armour again. You can actually feel the hormone buildup in your

blood and it gives you a terrible hormone headache. My temps were stable for up

to two weeks at a time and I thought that you can introduce Armour at that

point, so I don't understand this all. The others here give it at least 5 days,

so what am I missing?

philip georgian wrote:

When my Wife switch from Synthroid to Armour she started at a low dose 30mgs in

4 weeks tested and the Dr. went to 6O mgs. in 4 more week after testing he went

to 120 and she ended up in the ER we though she was having a heart attack. We

told the ER that her Armour was raised and they said that will not do this.

After they did every test BCBS would pay for they told us they could not find

any thing wrong. This is the crap the ER does the next day she went to her Dr.

and he told her to stop the armour so she was on this for about a week and

stopped cold and she had not problems. It's too bad at the time the Dr. she was

seeing did not know about low Cortisol and Thyroid. Now that I find I have the

same problem here I am searching the web to help her and find I have the same

problem. It's in the Dr.'s Desk Reference Book to allway test Cortisol levels

first before treating thyroid because if your Cortisol levels are to low it can

kill you. Yet they don't do it.

Phil

KathyKate@... wrote:

3b. Re: stopping Armour abruptly

Posted by: " " florida_native222@... florida_native222

Date: Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:01 am ((PST))

But what about the dangers of stopping Armour abruptly

even a small dose of 60mg.? Should I be concerned?

Kathleen in Ct. Here.

Hi all.

I stopped armour abruptly recently because of two trips to the ER and Val's

advise to stop all thyroid until my adrenals and cortisol started to build

up. I was only taking Armour for a year (three years before that on Levoxyl)

and I kept getting TSH's that were .08 with low average on T4 and T3.

After putting myself through too much stress being chairperson of a reunion

committee, I ended up in the ER twice with anxiety.

My endo started me on Cortisol and every time I took it, I would get a

thyroid dump from all the armour floating in my blood and it sent me into

anxiety

and to the ER. After two trips, Val and I decided (Val mostly) that I

should stop all thyroid until I build my cortisol or the armour lowered in my

blood.

It took two weeks to feel better and stop the jitters. Then my labs come

back that my TSH has gone from .08 to 99.1. Well the endo calls and tells

me to start up armour again. That didn't work out, still gave me terrible

jitters. So, I switched back onto Levoxyl for the last two weeks.

I have only got myself up to 7.5 to 10 mg of HC during the day and I went

from 25 mcg of levoxyl for one week and this week upp'd it to 50mcg. Well,

mistake. I have to up the HC if I am upping the Levoxyl.

So, I am back off Levoxyl for a while (2 days) until I lower it in my blood

to up the HC, then up the levoxyl. I had another jitter session this

morning and didn't go to the ER, but wanted to for a few hours. My blood

pressure went from 110/70 to 143/85 to 149/111 and it went like that for an hour

with temps of 99.6 to 100.

It all finally calmed down in two hours and the BP went back to 128/70.

The endo finally called at 7 p.m. this evening (about time) and he said, take

more cortisol. Whenever I feel jittery, don't take any more levoxyl, take

more cortisol. It is up to me how much and when

He doesn't give me help with timing or amounts and he hung up and told me to

stop whining.

I hate being like this. I really can't stand it.

Kathleen in CT

[Guest guest]

>

> If those ignorant ER docs would have looked Armour up in their drug

books they would have seen that YES INDEED too much Armour in the

blood stream will cause a person heart palpitations and tachycardia.

I hope you didn't pay that bill.

Totally ignorant! They don't need to know about Armour specifically,

and shouldn't have to look up anything, because they shouldn't have

gotten their damn license if they don't know that thyroid meds in

general in excess in the bloodstream can cause those symptoms.

I'm not going to split hairs with them & start discussing cortisol or

anything complex like that...all I would expect to get a license is

that they know that too much thyroid hormone - your own or

supplemental, synthetic or natural - can cause those symptoms.

Please join me in shouting out a collective " DUH! " to that idiot

doctor! God forbid he should encounter a patient with adrenal crisis.

That poor patient ought to say his or her goodbyes now!

[Guest guest]

Yes, I increased by 15mg every week.

philip georgian wrote: I am not sure how much did

you go up I only do 15mgs at a time.

Phil

wrote:

Phil - I'm glad to hear you and your wife are back on track. What a story! This

is the second day I've stopped Armour (60mg.)/day and I feel no repurcusions.

I've also learned to make sure my temps don't fluctuate before introducing

Armour again. You can actually feel the hormone buildup in your blood and it

gives you a terrible hormone headache. My temps were stable for up to two weeks

at a time and I thought that you can introduce Armour at that point, so I don't

understand this all. The others here give it at least 5 days, so what am I

missing?

philip georgian wrote:

When my Wife switch from Synthroid to Armour she started at a low dose 30mgs in

4 weeks tested and the Dr. went to 6O mgs. in 4 more week after testing he went

to 120 and she ended up in the ER we though she was having a heart attack. We

told the ER that her Armour was raised and they said that will not do this.

After they did every test BCBS would pay for they told us they could not find

any thing wrong. This is the crap the ER does the next day she went to her Dr.

and he told her to stop the armour so she was on this for about a week and

stopped cold and she had not problems. It's too bad at the time the Dr. she was

seeing did not know about low Cortisol and Thyroid. Now that I find I have the

same problem here I am searching the web to help her and find I have the same

problem. It's in the Dr.'s Desk Reference Book to allway test Cortisol levels

first before treating thyroid because if your Cortisol levels are to low it can

kill you. Yet they don't do it.

Phil

KathyKate@... wrote:

3b. Re: stopping Armour abruptly

Posted by: " " florida_native222@... florida_native222

Date: Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:01 am ((PST))

But what about the dangers of stopping Armour abruptly

even a small dose of 60mg.? Should I be concerned?

Kathleen in Ct. Here.

Hi all.

I stopped armour abruptly recently because of two trips to the ER and Val's

advise to stop all thyroid until my adrenals and cortisol started to build

up. I was only taking Armour for a year (three years before that on Levoxyl)

and I kept getting TSH's that were .08 with low average on T4 and T3.

After putting myself through too much stress being chairperson of a reunion

committee, I ended up in the ER twice with anxiety.

My endo started me on Cortisol and every time I took it, I would get a

thyroid dump from all the armour floating in my blood and it sent me into

anxiety

and to the ER. After two trips, Val and I decided (Val mostly) that I

should stop all thyroid until I build my cortisol or the armour lowered in my

blood.

It took two weeks to feel better and stop the jitters. Then my labs come

back that my TSH has gone from .08 to 99.1. Well the endo calls and tells

me to start up armour again. That didn't work out, still gave me terrible

jitters. So, I switched back onto Levoxyl for the last two weeks.

I have only got myself up to 7.5 to 10 mg of HC during the day and I went

from 25 mcg of levoxyl for one week and this week upp'd it to 50mcg. Well,

mistake. I have to up the HC if I am upping the Levoxyl.

So, I am back off Levoxyl for a while (2 days) until I lower it in my blood

to up the HC, then up the levoxyl. I had another jitter session this

morning and didn't go to the ER, but wanted to for a few hours. My blood

pressure went from 110/70 to 143/85 to 149/111 and it went like that for an hour

with temps of 99.6 to 100.

It all finally calmed down in two hours and the BP went back to 128/70.

The endo finally called at 7 p.m. this evening (about time) and he said, take

more cortisol. Whenever I feel jittery, don't take any more levoxyl, take

more cortisol. It is up to me how much and when

He doesn't give me help with timing or amounts and he hung up and told me to

stop whining.

I hate being like this. I really can't stand it.

Kathleen in CT

[Guest guest]

Yes, I increased by 15mg every week.

philip georgian wrote: I am not sure how much did

you go up I only do 15mgs at a time.

Phil

wrote:

Phil - I'm glad to hear you and your wife are back on track. What a story! This

is the second day I've stopped Armour (60mg.)/day and I feel no repurcusions.

I've also learned to make sure my temps don't fluctuate before introducing

Armour again. You can actually feel the hormone buildup in your blood and it

gives you a terrible hormone headache. My temps were stable for up to two weeks

at a time and I thought that you can introduce Armour at that point, so I don't

understand this all. The others here give it at least 5 days, so what am I

missing?

philip georgian wrote:

When my Wife switch from Synthroid to Armour she started at a low dose 30mgs in

4 weeks tested and the Dr. went to 6O mgs. in 4 more week after testing he went

to 120 and she ended up in the ER we though she was having a heart attack. We

told the ER that her Armour was raised and they said that will not do this.

After they did every test BCBS would pay for they told us they could not find

any thing wrong. This is the crap the ER does the next day she went to her Dr.

and he told her to stop the armour so she was on this for about a week and

stopped cold and she had not problems. It's too bad at the time the Dr. she was

seeing did not know about low Cortisol and Thyroid. Now that I find I have the

same problem here I am searching the web to help her and find I have the same

problem. It's in the Dr.'s Desk Reference Book to allway test Cortisol levels

first before treating thyroid because if your Cortisol levels are to low it can

kill you. Yet they don't do it.

Phil

KathyKate@... wrote:

3b. Re: stopping Armour abruptly

Posted by: " " florida_native222@... florida_native222

Date: Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:01 am ((PST))

But what about the dangers of stopping Armour abruptly

even a small dose of 60mg.? Should I be concerned?

Kathleen in Ct. Here.

Hi all.

I stopped armour abruptly recently because of two trips to the ER and Val's

advise to stop all thyroid until my adrenals and cortisol started to build

up. I was only taking Armour for a year (three years before that on Levoxyl)

and I kept getting TSH's that were .08 with low average on T4 and T3.

After putting myself through too much stress being chairperson of a reunion

committee, I ended up in the ER twice with anxiety.

My endo started me on Cortisol and every time I took it, I would get a

thyroid dump from all the armour floating in my blood and it sent me into

anxiety

and to the ER. After two trips, Val and I decided (Val mostly) that I

should stop all thyroid until I build my cortisol or the armour lowered in my

blood.

It took two weeks to feel better and stop the jitters. Then my labs come

back that my TSH has gone from .08 to 99.1. Well the endo calls and tells

me to start up armour again. That didn't work out, still gave me terrible

jitters. So, I switched back onto Levoxyl for the last two weeks.

I have only got myself up to 7.5 to 10 mg of HC during the day and I went

from 25 mcg of levoxyl for one week and this week upp'd it to 50mcg. Well,

mistake. I have to up the HC if I am upping the Levoxyl.

So, I am back off Levoxyl for a while (2 days) until I lower it in my blood

to up the HC, then up the levoxyl. I had another jitter session this

morning and didn't go to the ER, but wanted to for a few hours. My blood

pressure went from 110/70 to 143/85 to 149/111 and it went like that for an hour

with temps of 99.6 to 100.

It all finally calmed down in two hours and the BP went back to 128/70.

The endo finally called at 7 p.m. this evening (about time) and he said, take

more cortisol. Whenever I feel jittery, don't take any more levoxyl, take

more cortisol. It is up to me how much and when

He doesn't give me help with timing or amounts and he hung up and told me to

stop whining.

I hate being like this. I really can't stand it.

Kathleen in CT

[Guest guest]

One time when I went up 15mgs the next day I felt hot and was sweating this only

lasted 2 days and then I was fine.

Phil

wrote:

Yes, I increased by 15mg every week.

philip georgian wrote: I am not sure how much did you go

up I only do 15mgs at a time.

Phil

wrote:

Phil - I'm glad to hear you and your wife are back on track. What a story! This

is the second day I've stopped Armour (60mg.)/day and I feel no repurcusions.

I've also learned to make sure my temps don't fluctuate before introducing

Armour again. You can actually feel the hormone buildup in your blood and it

gives you a terrible hormone headache. My temps were stable for up to two weeks

at a time and I thought that you can introduce Armour at that point, so I don't

understand this all. The others here give it at least 5 days, so what am I

missing?

philip georgian wrote:

When my Wife switch from Synthroid to Armour she started at a low dose 30mgs in

4 weeks tested and the Dr. went to 6O mgs. in 4 more week after testing he went

to 120 and she ended up in the ER we though she was having a heart attack. We

told the ER that her Armour was raised and they said that will not do this.

After they did every test BCBS would pay for they told us they could not find

any thing wrong. This is the crap the ER does the next day she went to her Dr.

and he told her to stop the armour so she was on this for about a week and

stopped cold and she had not problems. It's too bad at the time the Dr. she was

seeing did not know about low Cortisol and Thyroid. Now that I find I have the

same problem here I am searching the web to help her and find I have the same

problem. It's in the Dr.'s Desk Reference Book to allway test Cortisol levels

first before treating thyroid because if your Cortisol levels are to low it can

kill you. Yet they don't do it.

Phil

KathyKate@... wrote:

3b. Re: stopping Armour abruptly

Posted by: " " florida_native222@... florida_native222

Date: Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:01 am ((PST))

But what about the dangers of stopping Armour abruptly

even a small dose of 60mg.? Should I be concerned?

Kathleen in Ct. Here.

Hi all.

I stopped armour abruptly recently because of two trips to the ER and Val's

advise to stop all thyroid until my adrenals and cortisol started to build

up. I was only taking Armour for a year (three years before that on Levoxyl)

and I kept getting TSH's that were .08 with low average on T4 and T3.

After putting myself through too much stress being chairperson of a reunion

committee, I ended up in the ER twice with anxiety.

My endo started me on Cortisol and every time I took it, I would get a

thyroid dump from all the armour floating in my blood and it sent me into

anxiety

and to the ER. After two trips, Val and I decided (Val mostly) that I

should stop all thyroid until I build my cortisol or the armour lowered in my

blood.

It took two weeks to feel better and stop the jitters. Then my labs come

back that my TSH has gone from .08 to 99.1. Well the endo calls and tells

me to start up armour again. That didn't work out, still gave me terrible

jitters. So, I switched back onto Levoxyl for the last two weeks.

I have only got myself up to 7.5 to 10 mg of HC during the day and I went

from 25 mcg of levoxyl for one week and this week upp'd it to 50mcg. Well,

mistake. I have to up the HC if I am upping the Levoxyl.

So, I am back off Levoxyl for a while (2 days) until I lower it in my blood

to up the HC, then up the levoxyl. I had another jitter session this

morning and didn't go to the ER, but wanted to for a few hours. My blood

pressure went from 110/70 to 143/85 to 149/111 and it went like that for an hour

with temps of 99.6 to 100.

It all finally calmed down in two hours and the BP went back to 128/70.

The endo finally called at 7 p.m. this evening (about time) and he said, take

more cortisol. Whenever I feel jittery, don't take any more levoxyl, take

more cortisol. It is up to me how much and when

He doesn't give me help with timing or amounts and he hung up and told me to

stop whining.

I hate being like this. I really can't stand it.

Kathleen in CT

[Guest guest]

I've never had those symptoms even without Armour.

philip georgian wrote: One time when I went up

15mgs the next day I felt hot and was sweating this only lasted 2 days and then

I was fine.

Phil

wrote:

Yes, I increased by 15mg every week.

philip georgian wrote: I am not sure how much did you go

up I only do 15mgs at a time.

Phil

wrote:

Phil - I'm glad to hear you and your wife are back on track. What a story! This

is the second day I've stopped Armour (60mg.)/day and I feel no repurcusions.

I've also learned to make sure my temps don't fluctuate before introducing

Armour again. You can actually feel the hormone buildup in your blood and it

gives you a terrible hormone headache. My temps were stable for up to two weeks

at a time and I thought that you can introduce Armour at that point, so I don't

understand this all. The others here give it at least 5 days, so what am I

missing?

philip georgian wrote:

When my Wife switch from Synthroid to Armour she started at a low dose 30mgs in

4 weeks tested and the Dr. went to 6O mgs. in 4 more week after testing he went

to 120 and she ended up in the ER we though she was having a heart attack. We

told the ER that her Armour was raised and they said that will not do this.

After they did every test BCBS would pay for they told us they could not find

any thing wrong. This is the crap the ER does the next day she went to her Dr.

and he told her to stop the armour so she was on this for about a week and

stopped cold and she had not problems. It's too bad at the time the Dr. she was

seeing did not know about low Cortisol and Thyroid. Now that I find I have the

same problem here I am searching the web to help her and find I have the same

problem. It's in the Dr.'s Desk Reference Book to allway test Cortisol levels

first before treating thyroid because if your Cortisol levels are to low it can

kill you. Yet they don't do it.

Phil

KathyKate@... wrote:

3b. Re: stopping Armour abruptly

Posted by: " " florida_native222@... florida_native222

Date: Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:01 am ((PST))

But what about the dangers of stopping Armour abruptly

even a small dose of 60mg.? Should I be concerned?

Kathleen in Ct. Here.

Hi all.

I stopped armour abruptly recently because of two trips to the ER and Val's

advise to stop all thyroid until my adrenals and cortisol started to build

up. I was only taking Armour for a year (three years before that on Levoxyl)

and I kept getting TSH's that were .08 with low average on T4 and T3.

After putting myself through too much stress being chairperson of a reunion

committee, I ended up in the ER twice with anxiety.

My endo started me on Cortisol and every time I took it, I would get a

thyroid dump from all the armour floating in my blood and it sent me into

anxiety

and to the ER. After two trips, Val and I decided (Val mostly) that I

should stop all thyroid until I build my cortisol or the armour lowered in my

blood.

It took two weeks to feel better and stop the jitters. Then my labs come

back that my TSH has gone from .08 to 99.1. Well the endo calls and tells

me to start up armour again. That didn't work out, still gave me terrible

jitters. So, I switched back onto Levoxyl for the last two weeks.

I have only got myself up to 7.5 to 10 mg of HC during the day and I went

from 25 mcg of levoxyl for one week and this week upp'd it to 50mcg. Well,

mistake. I have to up the HC if I am upping the Levoxyl.

So, I am back off Levoxyl for a while (2 days) until I lower it in my blood

to up the HC, then up the levoxyl. I had another jitter session this

morning and didn't go to the ER, but wanted to for a few hours. My blood

pressure went from 110/70 to 143/85 to 149/111 and it went like that for an hour

with temps of 99.6 to 100.

It all finally calmed down in two hours and the BP went back to 128/70.

The endo finally called at 7 p.m. this evening (about time) and he said, take

more cortisol. Whenever I feel jittery, don't take any more levoxyl, take

more cortisol. It is up to me how much and when

He doesn't give me help with timing or amounts and he hung up and told me to

stop whining.

I hate being like this. I really can't stand it.

Kathleen in CT

[Guest guest]

I've never had those symptoms even without Armour.

philip georgian wrote: One time when I went up

15mgs the next day I felt hot and was sweating this only lasted 2 days and then

I was fine.

Phil

wrote:

Yes, I increased by 15mg every week.

philip georgian wrote: I am not sure how much did you go

up I only do 15mgs at a time.

Phil

wrote:

Phil - I'm glad to hear you and your wife are back on track. What a story! This

is the second day I've stopped Armour (60mg.)/day and I feel no repurcusions.

I've also learned to make sure my temps don't fluctuate before introducing

Armour again. You can actually feel the hormone buildup in your blood and it

gives you a terrible hormone headache. My temps were stable for up to two weeks

at a time and I thought that you can introduce Armour at that point, so I don't

understand this all. The others here give it at least 5 days, so what am I

missing?

philip georgian wrote:

When my Wife switch from Synthroid to Armour she started at a low dose 30mgs in

4 weeks tested and the Dr. went to 6O mgs. in 4 more week after testing he went

to 120 and she ended up in the ER we though she was having a heart attack. We

told the ER that her Armour was raised and they said that will not do this.

After they did every test BCBS would pay for they told us they could not find

any thing wrong. This is the crap the ER does the next day she went to her Dr.

and he told her to stop the armour so she was on this for about a week and

stopped cold and she had not problems. It's too bad at the time the Dr. she was

seeing did not know about low Cortisol and Thyroid. Now that I find I have the

same problem here I am searching the web to help her and find I have the same

problem. It's in the Dr.'s Desk Reference Book to allway test Cortisol levels

first before treating thyroid because if your Cortisol levels are to low it can

kill you. Yet they don't do it.

Phil

KathyKate@... wrote:

3b. Re: stopping Armour abruptly

Posted by: " " florida_native222@... florida_native222

Date: Thu Nov 30, 2006 10:01 am ((PST))

But what about the dangers of stopping Armour abruptly

even a small dose of 60mg.? Should I be concerned?

Kathleen in Ct. Here.

Hi all.

I stopped armour abruptly recently because of two trips to the ER and Val's

advise to stop all thyroid until my adrenals and cortisol started to build

up. I was only taking Armour for a year (three years before that on Levoxyl)

and I kept getting TSH's that were .08 with low average on T4 and T3.

After putting myself through too much stress being chairperson of a reunion

committee, I ended up in the ER twice with anxiety.

My endo started me on Cortisol and every time I took it, I would get a

thyroid dump from all the armour floating in my blood and it sent me into

anxiety

and to the ER. After two trips, Val and I decided (Val mostly) that I

should stop all thyroid until I build my cortisol or the armour lowered in my

blood.

It took two weeks to feel better and stop the jitters. Then my labs come

back that my TSH has gone from .08 to 99.1. Well the endo calls and tells

me to start up armour again. That didn't work out, still gave me terrible

jitters. So, I switched back onto Levoxyl for the last two weeks.

I have only got myself up to 7.5 to 10 mg of HC during the day and I went

from 25 mcg of levoxyl for one week and this week upp'd it to 50mcg. Well,

mistake. I have to up the HC if I am upping the Levoxyl.

So, I am back off Levoxyl for a while (2 days) until I lower it in my blood

to up the HC, then up the levoxyl. I had another jitter session this

morning and didn't go to the ER, but wanted to for a few hours. My blood

pressure went from 110/70 to 143/85 to 149/111 and it went like that for an hour

with temps of 99.6 to 100.

It all finally calmed down in two hours and the BP went back to 128/70.

The endo finally called at 7 p.m. this evening (about time) and he said, take

more cortisol. Whenever I feel jittery, don't take any more levoxyl, take

more cortisol. It is up to me how much and when

He doesn't give me help with timing or amounts and he hung up and told me to

stop whining.

I hate being like this. I really can't stand it.

Kathleen in CT