Re: Damn it. I binged. I freaking binged.

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I was thinking about you last night. I had a difficult day and was feeling like comforting myself with food. As I've mentioned, I've been tracking everything I eat and drink so that I can get a feel for my eating patterns. It helps me not to freak out when I overeat because I know that sometimes I do that, and most times I don't. I have a calorie range that I am trying to stay within so that I can lose some of this weight. Sometimes my daily intake is lower than the number and other times it's higher. So, last night, I wanted to have cookies and milk. I really, really wanted those bad feelings to go away, and the couple of mojitos I drank didn't do it. I needed cookies. At first I was all panicky like, "this is going to turn into a binge, I really don't need this, I've eaten enough calories for the day." But then I reminded myself of IE and realized that I can eat anything I want, I can go

over my self imposed limit if I want, and that I had eaten fewer calories than I needed for the prior several days and didn't beat myself up about that. I had a bad day, and if I wanted to have cookies and milk it wasn't a crime. I guess what I am trying to say is that we have to remember that IE is a process of learning to eat normally. Feelings like panic, or anger, or self hatred are data to tell us to look inside. Behaviors like binging or over exercising are data that tell us that we aren't listening to our feelings. We often eat, or don't eat, exercise, or don't exercise as a way of blocking out those feelings. And you know what? As long as you know why you're doing it, it's okay to do it. Actually, it's okay even if you don't know why... Be kind to yourself... We're all learning.Even God doesn't plan to judge a man till the end of his days, why should you and I?-Unknown

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I was thinking about you last night. I had a difficult day and was feeling like comforting myself with food. As I've mentioned, I've been tracking everything I eat and drink so that I can get a feel for my eating patterns. It helps me not to freak out when I overeat because I know that sometimes I do that, and most times I don't. I have a calorie range that I am trying to stay within so that I can lose some of this weight. Sometimes my daily intake is lower than the number and other times it's higher. So, last night, I wanted to have cookies and milk. I really, really wanted those bad feelings to go away, and the couple of mojitos I drank didn't do it. I needed cookies. At first I was all panicky like, "this is going to turn into a binge, I really don't need this, I've eaten enough calories for the day." But then I reminded myself of IE and realized that I can eat anything I want, I can go

over my self imposed limit if I want, and that I had eaten fewer calories than I needed for the prior several days and didn't beat myself up about that. I had a bad day, and if I wanted to have cookies and milk it wasn't a crime. I guess what I am trying to say is that we have to remember that IE is a process of learning to eat normally. Feelings like panic, or anger, or self hatred are data to tell us to look inside. Behaviors like binging or over exercising are data that tell us that we aren't listening to our feelings. We often eat, or don't eat, exercise, or don't exercise as a way of blocking out those feelings. And you know what? As long as you know why you're doing it, it's okay to do it. Actually, it's okay even if you don't know why... Be kind to yourself... We're all learning.Even God doesn't plan to judge a man till the end of his days, why should you and I?-Unknown

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Marguerite, I LOVE your reply, especially as you have experience along

these lines too. I'm so the opposite - exercise that is part of doing

some physical work, but AVOIDING a gym all together (I find it boring

and it takes away from other things I'd rather be doing). Its one of

the reasons this group is so powerful a resource - lots of diversity

and knowledgeable insight/feedback!

>

> Honey, I so hear you. First, I would not compare myself to the crowd

> that " eats clean and lifts weights and does some cardio and gets what

> they want. " As I've mentioned before, you are probably not fully

> aware of what lengths these people go to or what risks they take to

> maintain that appearance. I know for myself that I am not willing to

> go there.

>

> Second, eating 900 calories a day is a sure way to bring havoc on

> your metabolism and cause your body to fight you to retain every

> calorie. I'm sure I'm not telling anything you don't already know,

> but like me and others seeking that type of validation, the desire to

> achieve a look or level of fitness tends to eclipse the rational

> voice that tells you that near-starvation is not healthy.

>

> I also resonate with your concern that your body might not let you

> get lean. I wonder this often myself, and I sometimes think that my

> body is not letting me get leaner now because it needs a break or a

> rest from the diet/exercise manipulation of recent years. I also

> know that I have been able to achieve one of my leanest looks by

> eating intuitively. Believe it or not, although I've gotten there

> through IE, I still struggle with the doubt that perhaps that was a

> fluke and that I'm really supposed to weigh more, etc. I just have

> to keep reminding myself that I do know my body, that it will get to

> my natural weight given the chance, and that my natural weight is not

> where I am right now. But I also do believe that my body is in a

> phase right now of needing " time off, " so to speak.

>

[Guest guest]

Marguerite, I LOVE your reply, especially as you have experience along

these lines too. I'm so the opposite - exercise that is part of doing

some physical work, but AVOIDING a gym all together (I find it boring

and it takes away from other things I'd rather be doing). Its one of

the reasons this group is so powerful a resource - lots of diversity

and knowledgeable insight/feedback!

>

> Honey, I so hear you. First, I would not compare myself to the crowd

> that " eats clean and lifts weights and does some cardio and gets what

> they want. " As I've mentioned before, you are probably not fully

> aware of what lengths these people go to or what risks they take to

> maintain that appearance. I know for myself that I am not willing to

> go there.

>

> Second, eating 900 calories a day is a sure way to bring havoc on

> your metabolism and cause your body to fight you to retain every

> calorie. I'm sure I'm not telling anything you don't already know,

> but like me and others seeking that type of validation, the desire to

> achieve a look or level of fitness tends to eclipse the rational

> voice that tells you that near-starvation is not healthy.

>

> I also resonate with your concern that your body might not let you

> get lean. I wonder this often myself, and I sometimes think that my

> body is not letting me get leaner now because it needs a break or a

> rest from the diet/exercise manipulation of recent years. I also

> know that I have been able to achieve one of my leanest looks by

> eating intuitively. Believe it or not, although I've gotten there

> through IE, I still struggle with the doubt that perhaps that was a

> fluke and that I'm really supposed to weigh more, etc. I just have

> to keep reminding myself that I do know my body, that it will get to

> my natural weight given the chance, and that my natural weight is not

> where I am right now. But I also do believe that my body is in a

> phase right now of needing " time off, " so to speak.

>

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I would say you should look at this as a huge success! Way to Go!

Alana

So, last night, I wanted to have cookies and milk. I really, really wanted those bad feelings to go away, and the couple of mojitos I drank didn't do it. I needed cookies. At first I was all panicky like, "this is going to turn into a binge, I really don't need this, I've eaten enough calories for the day." But then I reminded myself of IE and realized that I can eat anything I want, I can go over my self imposed limit if I want, and that I had eaten fewer calories than I needed for the prior several days and didn't beat myself up about that. I had a bad day, and if I wanted to have cookies and milk it wasn't a crime.

I guess what I am trying to say is that we have to remember that IE is a process of learning to eat normally. Feelings like panic, or anger, or self hatred are data to tell us to look inside. Behaviors like binging or over exercising are data that tell us that we aren't listening to our feelings. We often eat, or don't eat, exercise, or don't exercise as a way of blocking out those feelings. And you know what? As long as you know why you're doing it, it's okay to do it. Actually, it's okay even if you don't know why...

Be kind to yourself... We're all learning.

--

[Guest guest]

I would say you should look at this as a huge success! Way to Go!

Alana

So, last night, I wanted to have cookies and milk. I really, really wanted those bad feelings to go away, and the couple of mojitos I drank didn't do it. I needed cookies. At first I was all panicky like, "this is going to turn into a binge, I really don't need this, I've eaten enough calories for the day." But then I reminded myself of IE and realized that I can eat anything I want, I can go over my self imposed limit if I want, and that I had eaten fewer calories than I needed for the prior several days and didn't beat myself up about that. I had a bad day, and if I wanted to have cookies and milk it wasn't a crime.

I guess what I am trying to say is that we have to remember that IE is a process of learning to eat normally. Feelings like panic, or anger, or self hatred are data to tell us to look inside. Behaviors like binging or over exercising are data that tell us that we aren't listening to our feelings. We often eat, or don't eat, exercise, or don't exercise as a way of blocking out those feelings. And you know what? As long as you know why you're doing it, it's okay to do it. Actually, it's okay even if you don't know why...

Be kind to yourself... We're all learning.

--

[Guest guest]

Hi,For me, if I eat too few calories one day, I am more likely to over eat at some later time. Also, alcohol will cause me to need a bunch of carbs, especially if I ate too few carbs that day. For me, anyway, the best way to avoid binge eating is to make sure I always eat enough to feel satisfied, and make time to eat on busy days so I don't feel the backlash later. Food for thought! I hope the cookies were yummy!Maureen So, last night, I wanted to have cookies and milk. I really, really wanted those bad feelings to go away, and the couple of mojitos I drank didn't do it. I needed cookies. At

first I was all panicky like, "this is going to turn into a binge, I really don't need this, I've eaten enough calories for the day." But then I reminded myself of IE and realized that I can eat anything I want, I can go over my self imposed limit if I want, and that I had eaten fewer calories than I needed for the prior several days and didn't beat myself up about that. I had a bad day, and if I wanted to have cookies and milk it wasn't a crime. I guess what I am trying to say is that we have to remember that IE is a process of learning to eat normally. Feelings like panic, or anger, or self hatred are data to tell us to look inside. Behaviors like binging or over exercising are data that tell us that we aren't listening to our feelings. We often eat, or don't eat, exercise, or don't exercise as a way of blocking out those feelings. And you know what? As long as you know why you're doing it, it's okay to do it. Actually, it's okay even if you

don't know why... Be kind to yourself... We're all learning. --

[Guest guest]

Hi,For me, if I eat too few calories one day, I am more likely to over eat at some later time. Also, alcohol will cause me to need a bunch of carbs, especially if I ate too few carbs that day. For me, anyway, the best way to avoid binge eating is to make sure I always eat enough to feel satisfied, and make time to eat on busy days so I don't feel the backlash later. Food for thought! I hope the cookies were yummy!Maureen So, last night, I wanted to have cookies and milk. I really, really wanted those bad feelings to go away, and the couple of mojitos I drank didn't do it. I needed cookies. At

first I was all panicky like, "this is going to turn into a binge, I really don't need this, I've eaten enough calories for the day." But then I reminded myself of IE and realized that I can eat anything I want, I can go over my self imposed limit if I want, and that I had eaten fewer calories than I needed for the prior several days and didn't beat myself up about that. I had a bad day, and if I wanted to have cookies and milk it wasn't a crime. I guess what I am trying to say is that we have to remember that IE is a process of learning to eat normally. Feelings like panic, or anger, or self hatred are data to tell us to look inside. Behaviors like binging or over exercising are data that tell us that we aren't listening to our feelings. We often eat, or don't eat, exercise, or don't exercise as a way of blocking out those feelings. And you know what? As long as you know why you're doing it, it's okay to do it. Actually, it's okay even if you

don't know why... Be kind to yourself... We're all learning. --

[Guest guest]

I just feel like it's a fault to enjoy food. Does that make sense?

What's wrong with enjoying a good meal or a well baked brownie?

I guess I'm kind of French that way. I feel like through being

involved in fitness boards and such the attitude there is " to like

food is to be weak and there is something psychologically wrong with

you if you can't live on chicken breast and broccoli. That is why you

will never be elite like us " . Maguerite might be able to back me up

on this one.

I guess I have a hard time " uniting enjoyment and pleasure to eating " .

This morning I made a breakfast of oatmeal with diced apples, raisins

and a touch of real maple syrup, some sausauge and an omlette loaded

with veggies. It was delcicious. Then I felt guilty. I cooked the

omelette in a bit of butter. I grated some cheddar in it. The

sausages have saturated fat....

>

>

> If you forbid certain foods, you will crave them. The more you try

to avoid them the more you will binge on them. They will control you

instead of you being in charge. If you start to have an " all foods

fit " mentatlity you will eventually begin to choose to have

everything and anything you want when you want it and when you are

hungry mentality. In you are afraid of over indulging in these

foods, you probably will, but only in the beginning. Eventually

these foods will lose their control over you because you will learn

you can have them anytime you want but only when you are hungry.

This is what IE is all about. My advice would be to relax and enjoy

the foods you want but only eat them when you are hungry. I know it

is hard to challenge those voices we hear in our heads, but the

sooner you do, the healthier you will become, phisically, emotionally

and mentally.

> --

> Alana

>

[Guest guest]

I just feel like it's a fault to enjoy food. Does that make sense?

What's wrong with enjoying a good meal or a well baked brownie?

I guess I'm kind of French that way. I feel like through being

involved in fitness boards and such the attitude there is " to like

food is to be weak and there is something psychologically wrong with

you if you can't live on chicken breast and broccoli. That is why you

will never be elite like us " . Maguerite might be able to back me up

on this one.

I guess I have a hard time " uniting enjoyment and pleasure to eating " .

This morning I made a breakfast of oatmeal with diced apples, raisins

and a touch of real maple syrup, some sausauge and an omlette loaded

with veggies. It was delcicious. Then I felt guilty. I cooked the

omelette in a bit of butter. I grated some cheddar in it. The

sausages have saturated fat....

>

>

> If you forbid certain foods, you will crave them. The more you try

to avoid them the more you will binge on them. They will control you

instead of you being in charge. If you start to have an " all foods

fit " mentatlity you will eventually begin to choose to have

everything and anything you want when you want it and when you are

hungry mentality. In you are afraid of over indulging in these

foods, you probably will, but only in the beginning. Eventually

these foods will lose their control over you because you will learn

you can have them anytime you want but only when you are hungry.

This is what IE is all about. My advice would be to relax and enjoy

the foods you want but only eat them when you are hungry. I know it

is hard to challenge those voices we hear in our heads, but the

sooner you do, the healthier you will become, phisically, emotionally

and mentally.

> --

> Alana

>

[Guest guest]

Learning to love something considered sinful? Count me in!!!!Maureeneidwriter@... wrote: Its the diet mentality its not you I struggle with it too and still feel guilty when I enjoy something that is on the diet industry bad list it will take me some time but I am sure I will slowly get past it. EvaSee what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.

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Learning to love something considered sinful? Count me in!!!!Maureeneidwriter@... wrote: Its the diet mentality its not you I struggle with it too and still feel guilty when I enjoy something that is on the diet industry bad list it will take me some time but I am sure I will slowly get past it. EvaSee what's new at AOL.com and Make AOL Your Homepage.

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ajslinton@ wrote:

> >

> > If you forbid certain foods, you will crave them. The more you try

> to avoid them the more you will binge on them. They will control you

> instead of you being in charge. If you start to have an " all foods

> fit " mentatlity you will eventually begin to choose to have everything

> and anything you want when you want it and when you are hungry

> mentality. In you are afraid of over indulging in these foods, you

> probably will, but only in the beginning. Eventually these foods will

> lose their control over you because you will learn you can have them

> anytime you want but only when you are hungry.

But what do you do when having certain foods around just makes you feel

unsafe? I understand all the traditional IE theory about deprivation

increasing cravings(God knows I've read enough bloody books on IE over

the last 20 years), but some foods still act as triggers. For me, it's

bread. I guess it's a hangover from my low-carbing days when white

bread was apparently the very work of the Devil (LOL!) but now, when I

bring it into the house, I just eat it. And eat it. And keep eating

it waaaay beyond satisfying my hunger. I ate a whole loaf today. Not

a lot of fun. Just HOW MUCH damn white bread do I have to eat (trying

to stay calm, not yelling at myself) until I get to the point where I'm

convinced I'll never restrict myself from bread again, it will always

be there if I want it, and I actually don't have to have it ALL now?

Hmmm, can you tell I had a lousy day? AND I tried to go clothes

shopping - how depressing. I couldn't find anything that didn't make

me feel like a beached whale. God I hate this season's fashions! & & $%

#@# smocks!! What normal sized woman ever looked hot in a #@%* & ^@%^

smock???

The only feature I have going for me is a waistline - how do you

highlight your (somewhat curvaceous) hourglass in a * & *%$@@ smock???

AND I hate cap sleeves. So ner.

Sorry, I'll shut up now. Yes, I know I probably overate the bread

because of the smocks. End of rant.

Peace out, chicks.

sigigee

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ajslinton@ wrote:

> >

> > If you forbid certain foods, you will crave them. The more you try

> to avoid them the more you will binge on them. They will control you

> instead of you being in charge. If you start to have an " all foods

> fit " mentatlity you will eventually begin to choose to have everything

> and anything you want when you want it and when you are hungry

> mentality. In you are afraid of over indulging in these foods, you

> probably will, but only in the beginning. Eventually these foods will

> lose their control over you because you will learn you can have them

> anytime you want but only when you are hungry.

But what do you do when having certain foods around just makes you feel

unsafe? I understand all the traditional IE theory about deprivation

increasing cravings(God knows I've read enough bloody books on IE over

the last 20 years), but some foods still act as triggers. For me, it's

bread. I guess it's a hangover from my low-carbing days when white

bread was apparently the very work of the Devil (LOL!) but now, when I

bring it into the house, I just eat it. And eat it. And keep eating

it waaaay beyond satisfying my hunger. I ate a whole loaf today. Not

a lot of fun. Just HOW MUCH damn white bread do I have to eat (trying

to stay calm, not yelling at myself) until I get to the point where I'm

convinced I'll never restrict myself from bread again, it will always

be there if I want it, and I actually don't have to have it ALL now?

Hmmm, can you tell I had a lousy day? AND I tried to go clothes

shopping - how depressing. I couldn't find anything that didn't make

me feel like a beached whale. God I hate this season's fashions! & & $%

#@# smocks!! What normal sized woman ever looked hot in a #@%* & ^@%^

smock???

The only feature I have going for me is a waistline - how do you

highlight your (somewhat curvaceous) hourglass in a * & *%$@@ smock???

AND I hate cap sleeves. So ner.

Sorry, I'll shut up now. Yes, I know I probably overate the bread

because of the smocks. End of rant.

Peace out, chicks.

sigigee

[Guest guest]

I don't have a wait anymore...sigi_gee wrote: ajslinton@ wrote:> > > > If you forbid certain foods, you will crave them. The more you try> to avoid them the more you will binge on them. They will control you> instead of you being in charge. If you start to have an "all foods> fit" mentatlity you will eventually begin to choose to have everything> and anything you want when you want it and when you are hungry> mentality. In you are afraid of over indulging in these foods,

you> probably will, but only in the beginning. Eventually these foods will> lose their control over you because you will learn you can have them> anytime you want but only when you are hungry. But what do you do when having certain foods around just makes you feel unsafe? I understand all the traditional IE theory about deprivation increasing cravings(God knows I've read enough bloody books on IE over the last 20 years), but some foods still act as triggers. For me, it's bread. I guess it's a hangover from my low-carbing days when white bread was apparently the very work of the Devil (LOL!) but now, when I bring it into the house, I just eat it. And eat it. And keep eating it waaaay beyond satisfying my hunger. I ate a whole loaf today. Not a lot of fun. Just HOW MUCH damn white bread do I have to eat (trying to stay calm, not yelling at myself) until I get to the point where I'm convinced I'll never

restrict myself from bread again, it will always be there if I want it, and I actually don't have to have it ALL now?Hmmm, can you tell I had a lousy day? AND I tried to go clothes shopping - how depressing. I couldn't find anything that didn't make me feel like a beached whale. God I hate this season's fashions! & & $%#@# smocks!! What normal sized woman ever looked hot in a #@%* & ^@%^ smock???The only feature I have going for me is a waistline - how do you highlight your (somewhat curvaceous) hourglass in a * & *%$@@ smock???AND I hate cap sleeves. So ner.Sorry, I'll shut up now. Yes, I know I probably overate the bread because of the smocks. End of rant.Peace out, chicks.sigigee

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Your post made me laugh. I went shopping today. Smocks look lovely (being sarcastic) over my large chest -- I looked 8 months pregnant in just about everything I tried on! I find that if I stand with my hands on my waist, you can actually see it under the current fashions. So, I'm planning on just keeping my hands on my waist for another year or so. :-)

I had a strange binge food -- cheerios with a ton of sugar (about equal parts cereal:sugar). I allowed myself to eat it every time I wanted it. It has taken three months of cereal/sugar gorging, but I noticed yesterday that I had't craved it in about a week. I think I'm finally over it (that one, any way). There is hope!!!

Kathi

Re: Damn it. I binged. I freaking binged.

ajslinton@ wrote:Just HOW MUCH damn white bread do I have to eat (trying to stay calm, not yelling at myself) until I get to the point where I'm convinced I'll never restrict myself from bread again, it will always be there if I want it, and I actually don't have to have it ALL now?<portions deleted>What normal sized woman ever looked hot in a #@%* & ^@%^ smock???

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Your post made me laugh. I went shopping today. Smocks look lovely (being sarcastic) over my large chest -- I looked 8 months pregnant in just about everything I tried on! I find that if I stand with my hands on my waist, you can actually see it under the current fashions. So, I'm planning on just keeping my hands on my waist for another year or so. :-)

I had a strange binge food -- cheerios with a ton of sugar (about equal parts cereal:sugar). I allowed myself to eat it every time I wanted it. It has taken three months of cereal/sugar gorging, but I noticed yesterday that I had't craved it in about a week. I think I'm finally over it (that one, any way). There is hope!!!

Kathi

Re: Damn it. I binged. I freaking binged.

ajslinton@ wrote:Just HOW MUCH damn white bread do I have to eat (trying to stay calm, not yelling at myself) until I get to the point where I'm convinced I'll never restrict myself from bread again, it will always be there if I want it, and I actually don't have to have it ALL now?<portions deleted>What normal sized woman ever looked hot in a #@%* & ^@%^ smock???

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Your post made me laugh. I went shopping today. Smocks look lovely (being sarcastic) over my large chest -- I looked 8 months pregnant in just about everything I tried on! I find that if I stand with my hands on my waist, you can actually see it under the current fashions. So, I'm planning on just keeping my hands on my waist for another year or so. :-)

I had a strange binge food -- cheerios with a ton of sugar (about equal parts cereal:sugar). I allowed myself to eat it every time I wanted it. It has taken three months of cereal/sugar gorging, but I noticed yesterday that I had't craved it in about a week. I think I'm finally over it (that one, any way). There is hope!!!

Kathi

Re: Damn it. I binged. I freaking binged.

ajslinton@ wrote:Just HOW MUCH damn white bread do I have to eat (trying to stay calm, not yelling at myself) until I get to the point where I'm convinced I'll never restrict myself from bread again, it will always be there if I want it, and I actually don't have to have it ALL now?<portions deleted>What normal sized woman ever looked hot in a #@%* & ^@%^ smock???

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Yea for you! Chalk one up for your side. The first one has to be the

hardest one too. Good job :) - Katcha

> I had a strange binge food -- cheerios with a ton of sugar - I think

I'm finally over it (that one, any way). There is hope!!!

>

> Kathi

[Guest guest]

Yea for you! Chalk one up for your side. The first one has to be the

hardest one too. Good job :) - Katcha

> I had a strange binge food -- cheerios with a ton of sugar - I think

I'm finally over it (that one, any way). There is hope!!!

>

> Kathi

[Guest guest]

Yea for you! Chalk one up for your side. The first one has to be the

hardest one too. Good job :) - Katcha

> I had a strange binge food -- cheerios with a ton of sugar - I think

I'm finally over it (that one, any way). There is hope!!!

>

> Kathi

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry you had a bad day.

Could the trigger not necessarily be the white bread but your strong emotions? Sounds like emotional eating. I wish I knew what to tell you...

How about journaling about how you're feeling prior to eating, telling yourself that after you've jounaled for a certain period of time you can have whatever you want to eat, even if you truly aren't hungry. That way you are using not only a distraction technique, but also really looking at your emotions. Who knows, maybe once you've gotten it all out on paper, you might not have the urge to binge. Just a suggestion. Hope it helps.

--Alana

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ajslinton@ wrote:> > > > If you forbid certain foods, you will crave them. The more you try> to avoid them the more you will binge on them. They will control you> instead of you being in charge. If you start to have an "all foods> fit" mentatlity you will eventually begin to choose to have everything> and anything you want when you want it and when you are hungry> mentality. In you are afraid of over indulging in these foods, you> probably will, but only in the beginning. Eventually these foods will> lose their control over you because you will learn you can have them> anytime you want but only when you are hungry. But what do you do when having certain foods around just makes you feel unsafe? I understand all the traditional IE theory about deprivation increasing cravings(God knows I've read enough bloody books on IE over the last 20 years), but some foods still act as triggers. For me, it's bread. I guess it's a hangover from my low-carbing days when white bread was apparently the very work of the Devil (LOL!) but now, when I bring it into the house, I just eat it. And eat it. And keep eating it waaaay beyond satisfying my hunger. I ate a whole loaf today. Not a lot of fun. Just HOW MUCH damn white bread do I have to eat (trying to stay calm, not yelling at myself) until I get to the point where I'm convinced I'll never restrict myself from bread again, it will always be there if I want it, and I actually don't have to have it ALL now?Hmmm, can you tell I had a lousy day? AND I tried to go clothes shopping - how depressing. I couldn't find anything that didn't make me feel like a beached whale. God I hate this season's fashions! & & $%#@# smocks!! What normal sized woman ever looked hot in a #@%* & ^@%^ smock???The only feature I have going for me is a waistline - how do you highlight you

r (somewhat curvaceous) hourglass in a * & *%$@@ smock???AND I hate cap sleeves. So ner.Sorry, I'll shut up now. Yes, I know I probably overate the bread because of the smocks. End of rant.Peace out, chicks.sigigee

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry you had a bad day.

Could the trigger not necessarily be the white bread but your strong emotions? Sounds like emotional eating. I wish I knew what to tell you...

How about journaling about how you're feeling prior to eating, telling yourself that after you've jounaled for a certain period of time you can have whatever you want to eat, even if you truly aren't hungry. That way you are using not only a distraction technique, but also really looking at your emotions. Who knows, maybe once you've gotten it all out on paper, you might not have the urge to binge. Just a suggestion. Hope it helps.

--Alana

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ajslinton@ wrote:> > > > If you forbid certain foods, you will crave them. The more you try> to avoid them the more you will binge on them. They will control you> instead of you being in charge. If you start to have an "all foods> fit" mentatlity you will eventually begin to choose to have everything> and anything you want when you want it and when you are hungry> mentality. In you are afraid of over indulging in these foods, you> probably will, but only in the beginning. Eventually these foods will> lose their control over you because you will learn you can have them> anytime you want but only when you are hungry. But what do you do when having certain foods around just makes you feel unsafe? I understand all the traditional IE theory about deprivation increasing cravings(God knows I've read enough bloody books on IE over the last 20 years), but some foods still act as triggers. For me, it's bread. I guess it's a hangover from my low-carbing days when white bread was apparently the very work of the Devil (LOL!) but now, when I bring it into the house, I just eat it. And eat it. And keep eating it waaaay beyond satisfying my hunger. I ate a whole loaf today. Not a lot of fun. Just HOW MUCH damn white bread do I have to eat (trying to stay calm, not yelling at myself) until I get to the point where I'm convinced I'll never restrict myself from bread again, it will always be there if I want it, and I actually don't have to have it ALL now?Hmmm, can you tell I had a lousy day? AND I tried to go clothes shopping - how depressing. I couldn't find anything that didn't make me feel like a beached whale. God I hate this season's fashions! & & $%#@# smocks!! What normal sized woman ever looked hot in a #@%* & ^@%^ smock???The only feature I have going for me is a waistline - how do you highlight you

r (somewhat curvaceous) hourglass in a * & *%$@@ smock???AND I hate cap sleeves. So ner.Sorry, I'll shut up now. Yes, I know I probably overate the bread because of the smocks. End of rant.Peace out, chicks.sigigee

[Guest guest]

I'm sorry you had a bad day.

Could the trigger not necessarily be the white bread but your strong emotions? Sounds like emotional eating. I wish I knew what to tell you...

How about journaling about how you're feeling prior to eating, telling yourself that after you've jounaled for a certain period of time you can have whatever you want to eat, even if you truly aren't hungry. That way you are using not only a distraction technique, but also really looking at your emotions. Who knows, maybe once you've gotten it all out on paper, you might not have the urge to binge. Just a suggestion. Hope it helps.

--Alana

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ajslinton@ wrote:> > > > If you forbid certain foods, you will crave them. The more you try> to avoid them the more you will binge on them. They will control you> instead of you being in charge. If you start to have an "all foods> fit" mentatlity you will eventually begin to choose to have everything> and anything you want when you want it and when you are hungry> mentality. In you are afraid of over indulging in these foods, you> probably will, but only in the beginning. Eventually these foods will> lose their control over you because you will learn you can have them> anytime you want but only when you are hungry. But what do you do when having certain foods around just makes you feel unsafe? I understand all the traditional IE theory about deprivation increasing cravings(God knows I've read enough bloody books on IE over the last 20 years), but some foods still act as triggers. For me, it's bread. I guess it's a hangover from my low-carbing days when white bread was apparently the very work of the Devil (LOL!) but now, when I bring it into the house, I just eat it. And eat it. And keep eating it waaaay beyond satisfying my hunger. I ate a whole loaf today. Not a lot of fun. Just HOW MUCH damn white bread do I have to eat (trying to stay calm, not yelling at myself) until I get to the point where I'm convinced I'll never restrict myself from bread again, it will always be there if I want it, and I actually don't have to have it ALL now?Hmmm, can you tell I had a lousy day? AND I tried to go clothes shopping - how depressing. I couldn't find anything that didn't make me feel like a beached whale. God I hate this season's fashions! & & $%#@# smocks!! What normal sized woman ever looked hot in a #@%* & ^@%^ smock???The only feature I have going for me is a waistline - how do you highlight you

r (somewhat curvaceous) hourglass in a * & *%$@@ smock???AND I hate cap sleeves. So ner.Sorry, I'll shut up now. Yes, I know I probably overate the bread because of the smocks. End of rant.Peace out, chicks.sigigee

[Guest guest]

Two thoughts: (1) in my opinion, there is something psychologically

wrong with you if you can live ONLY on chicken breast and broccoli,

and (2) the women you view as " elite " are as " weak " as the rest of us

when it comes to food but use extreme and highly risky methods to

achieve their on-season look. As I said in a previous post, I was

aghast to see PRO fitness competitors in the off-season who were

about 20 pounds overweight and looked so far from their magazine

image that I was unable to recognize them at first glance. Sad to

say, but this gave me a great deal of reassurance as I realized that

we are ALL prone to binging and disordered eating when subject to the

extreme deprivation that any diet imposes. There is no " elite " when

it comes to food deprivation - we're all human.

> >

> >

> > If you forbid certain foods, you will crave them. The more you

try

> to avoid them the more you will binge on them. They will control

you

> instead of you being in charge. If you start to have an " all

foods

> fit " mentatlity you will eventually begin to choose to have

> everything and anything you want when you want it and when you are

> hungry mentality. In you are afraid of over indulging in these

> foods, you probably will, but only in the beginning. Eventually

> these foods will lose their control over you because you will learn

> you can have them anytime you want but only when you are hungry.

> This is what IE is all about. My advice would be to relax and

enjoy

> the foods you want but only eat them when you are hungry. I know

it

> is hard to challenge those voices we hear in our heads, but the

> sooner you do, the healthier you will become, phisically,

emotionally

> and mentally.

> > --

> > Alana

> >

>