RE: More Breakfast ideas please

[Guest guest]

Hi, Wayne...well, if you've read Bernstein and Becker you probably know that

cereals will raise your BGs -- that 200 (which is really too high) after

eating breakfast shows you that for sure. There are a few lowcarb cereals out

there (available online if you don't have a lowcarb store near you). One is

called Protein Crunch and I like it a lot and have it just about every other

day...another is called Keto Crisp...it's like air surrounded by crunch,

sorta like Rise Krispies. I also have a lowcarb protein shake for breakfast

sometimes -- they're called Keto Shakes and come in excellent flavors, like

peanut butter fudge, capuccino, strawberry, banana, etc...taste a lot like

milkshakes and are quite filling. All these lowcarb products are available

at CarbSmart, among other lowcarb sites. I also have two eggs every other

day. I also have one slice of lowcarb toast for breakfast...there are

various commercial breads out there that have 12 or 13 carbs per slice and

you can subtract the fiber...to my mind that qualifies as " lowcarb " , smile.

You just have to read labels. I'm sure others will have other breakfast

suggestions. Vicki

In a message dated 04/16/2002 10:46:46 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

w.farrington@... writes:

>

> Hello all,

> I am looking for some more breakfast ideas. Currently, I have a bowl of

> cold cereal just about every am. Mostly because it is easy to fix and I

> have been having cereal for years. My readings after eating breakfast are

> ~200. Generally, they are ~85 after rising in the am.

>

[Guest guest]

What kind of cereal are you eating Wayne? Your HbA1C readings are great!!!

but 200 is too high. I get readings like that no matter what kind of cereal

I eat... so I don't eat it. I have hard boiled eggs in the morning most of

the time. They are quick and easy. You must be doing something right to

have that HbA1c, although you may be having some pretty low lows to offset

those 200 readings. The problem with HbA1c's is that they are the 'average'

over the last 3 months.

Are you low carbing, very low carbing, or moderate carbing. You might want

to watch your portions... Give us an idea of a daily menu.

Rita

More Breakfast ideas please

Hello all,

I am looking for some more breakfast ideas. Currently, I have a bowl of cold

cereal just about every am. Mostly because it is easy to fix and I have been

having cereal for years. My readings after eating breakfast are ~200.

Generally, they are ~85 after rising in the am.

I am type 2 and was dx'd at the end of 2000. I have had the following HbA1C

readings since then. 5.2, 5.0, 5.7, 5.4. <snipped>

[Guest guest]

Wayne wrote:

>

> Hello all,

> I am looking for some more breakfast ideas. Currently, I have a bowl of cold

cereal just about every am. Mostly because it is easy to fix and I have been

having cereal for years. My readings after eating breakfast are ~200. Generally,

they are ~85 after rising in the am.

>

> I am type 2 and was dx'd at the end of 2000. I have had the following HbA1C

readings since then. 5.2, 5.0, 5.7, 5.4. In addition, I am taking meds for high

cholesterol and just recently was able to drop my high blood pressure meds. I am

~80 lbs. overweight. I am starting to get a handle on the exercising aspect of

this thing but still struggle with the intake (food) part. I lost some weight

initially but seem to have plateaued, despite escalating my weight training

regime. I suppose it is possible that I am building muscle, but it just seems

like the weight should continue to come off. Thus my renewed focus on the food

intake. I have read Bernstein, Becker and Adkins books as well.

>

> Almost seems like I need some sort of meal planning method (software?). I

really need the structure and plan for a week of meals for this to work.

Exchanging this food for that food, deciding what to have for lunch just before

you have it, just doesn't work for me.

>

> Thanks

> Wayne

I found it easier to deal with breakfast after I rid myself of what

foods constitute " breakfast " , i.e. cereals, etc.

5 days a week (at work) I have a breakfast that consists of something

left over from previous suppers. That will usually take the form of

meat and some kind of low GI vegetables, usually with garnish of

olives, cheese and maybe a boiled egg. Quick and easy.

Week-ends, I usually have eggs (fixed various ways), bacon/sausage and

recently have added a slice of LC toast (5.5 net carb grams per

slice). Not so quick, but easy for my minimal " chef " skills.

Need a meal plan? Here is mine: meat (any kind) and low GI vegetable

(raw is best, lightly steamed is OK), and optionally a green salad.

This works for any meal, not just breakfast. I of course add low

carb/low GI condiments such as nuts, cheese, etc.

I have been eating this way now for 4 years and am controlling with no

meds and fasting/pre-prandial average 95-100mg/dl and HbA1c 5.5-6.1%.

Eating this way, post-prandial readings are typically 120mg/dl or

less, and never over 140mg/dl. Now, if I slip in too many carbs,

readings are of course higher although in 4 years of low-carb eating I

have only seen a reading as high as 170mg/dl once.

Also, on this diet, my cholesterol runs 155-200, and triglycerides

under 100 in spite of the fact that I am eating a high percentage of

calories from fat, which on a LC diet is a good thing.

Wayne, your HbA1c is excellent. Whatever you are doing overall seems

to be working. That said, I wonder what meds you are on? The 200mg/dl

after eating concerns me and must be offset by some fairly low

readings to maintain those HbA1c's. Have you had any hypo episodes?

Some meds/diets tend to have us on a roller-coaster of bg's, even when

the HbA1c average is still OK.

, T2

Oregon

[Guest guest]

Wayne wrote:

>

> Hello all,

> I am looking for some more breakfast ideas. Currently, I have a bowl of cold

cereal just about every am. Mostly because it is easy to fix and I have been

having cereal for years. My readings after eating breakfast are ~200. Generally,

they are ~85 after rising in the am.

>

> I am type 2 and was dx'd at the end of 2000. I have had the following HbA1C

readings since then. 5.2, 5.0, 5.7, 5.4. In addition, I am taking meds for high

cholesterol and just recently was able to drop my high blood pressure meds. I am

~80 lbs. overweight. I am starting to get a handle on the exercising aspect of

this thing but still struggle with the intake (food) part. I lost some weight

initially but seem to have plateaued, despite escalating my weight training

regime. I suppose it is possible that I am building muscle, but it just seems

like the weight should continue to come off. Thus my renewed focus on the food

intake. I have read Bernstein, Becker and Adkins books as well.

>

> Almost seems like I need some sort of meal planning method (software?). I

really need the structure and plan for a week of meals for this to work.

Exchanging this food for that food, deciding what to have for lunch just before

you have it, just doesn't work for me.

>

> Thanks

> Wayne

I found it easier to deal with breakfast after I rid myself of what

foods constitute " breakfast " , i.e. cereals, etc.

5 days a week (at work) I have a breakfast that consists of something

left over from previous suppers. That will usually take the form of

meat and some kind of low GI vegetables, usually with garnish of

olives, cheese and maybe a boiled egg. Quick and easy.

Week-ends, I usually have eggs (fixed various ways), bacon/sausage and

recently have added a slice of LC toast (5.5 net carb grams per

slice). Not so quick, but easy for my minimal " chef " skills.

Need a meal plan? Here is mine: meat (any kind) and low GI vegetable

(raw is best, lightly steamed is OK), and optionally a green salad.

This works for any meal, not just breakfast. I of course add low

carb/low GI condiments such as nuts, cheese, etc.

I have been eating this way now for 4 years and am controlling with no

meds and fasting/pre-prandial average 95-100mg/dl and HbA1c 5.5-6.1%.

Eating this way, post-prandial readings are typically 120mg/dl or

less, and never over 140mg/dl. Now, if I slip in too many carbs,

readings are of course higher although in 4 years of low-carb eating I

have only seen a reading as high as 170mg/dl once.

Also, on this diet, my cholesterol runs 155-200, and triglycerides

under 100 in spite of the fact that I am eating a high percentage of

calories from fat, which on a LC diet is a good thing.

Wayne, your HbA1c is excellent. Whatever you are doing overall seems

to be working. That said, I wonder what meds you are on? The 200mg/dl

after eating concerns me and must be offset by some fairly low

readings to maintain those HbA1c's. Have you had any hypo episodes?

Some meds/diets tend to have us on a roller-coaster of bg's, even when

the HbA1c average is still OK.

, T2

Oregon

[Guest guest]

Those are still pretty highcarb, Wayne...try eggs for breakfast instead,

until you can get some REALLY lowcarb cereals.

The lowcarb shakes are called Keto Shakes and I think Carbsmart has 'em.

They're pricy - $19 (plus shipping) for a container but you get about 10-12

breakfasts out of them so it's not too bad.

I think the carbsmart URL is

www.carbsmart.com (duh!)

but if it isn't, I'm sure someone will straighten me out.

Glad you got your sex drive back! Vicki

In a message dated 04/18/2002 6:17:14 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

w.farrington@... writes:

> The cereal is Back to Nature Go Lean Crunch @ 36g of carbs per serving or

> Rice Chex at 27g per serving with fat free milk at 11g per serving. I will

> try some low carb cereal and some of the other breakfast ideas.

>

> What is a protein smoothie shake and where can one obtain them?

>

[Guest guest]

Because the carb counts don't give the total picture, Art. The Glycemic

Index measures the actual impact on the systems of a large number of test

subjects. Highly-processed grains such as are in cereals whack us beyond

their carb counts, it turns out.

>>>>>>>>>>>>..

Susie,

Please don't misunderstand, but is there a way to explain this in terms I

understand? <VBG>

Art

[Guest guest]

----- > Susie,

> Please don't misunderstand, but is there a way to explain this in terms I

understand? <VBG>

Art....

Let's see if I can...all carb items digest at different rates...something

that digests faster sends you bg up more because more of the carbs are in

your blood at the same time. Much of it (as I understand it) is how easily

an item digests...highly processed foods digest quickly.

An example...whole wheat bread is lower of the gylcemic scale then white

bread.....the reason is whole wheat is less processed...there for digests

more slowly.

Now all of this can also be impacted by eating fat along with your

carbs...fat (and protein) takes much longer to digest...it will slow down

whatever you are digesting at the time so if you have a carby food in your

stomach along with a fat it will impact your bg less then if you had eaten

that carby food alone.

This takes us back to your bowl of cereal...you said you had skim milk and

someone suggest whole milk would be a better choice...the reason is skim

milk has no fat..so it digests fast...whole milk had fat and digests slower

then skim and would also slow the digestion of the cereal more then the skim

would.

I'm not suggesting you eat cereal and milk (personally I wouldn't...too

carby) but I'm just using this as an example.

Deb

[Guest guest]

----- > Susie,

> Please don't misunderstand, but is there a way to explain this in terms I

understand? <VBG>

Art....

Let's see if I can...all carb items digest at different rates...something

that digests faster sends you bg up more because more of the carbs are in

your blood at the same time. Much of it (as I understand it) is how easily

an item digests...highly processed foods digest quickly.

An example...whole wheat bread is lower of the gylcemic scale then white

bread.....the reason is whole wheat is less processed...there for digests

more slowly.

Now all of this can also be impacted by eating fat along with your

carbs...fat (and protein) takes much longer to digest...it will slow down

whatever you are digesting at the time so if you have a carby food in your

stomach along with a fat it will impact your bg less then if you had eaten

that carby food alone.

This takes us back to your bowl of cereal...you said you had skim milk and

someone suggest whole milk would be a better choice...the reason is skim

milk has no fat..so it digests fast...whole milk had fat and digests slower

then skim and would also slow the digestion of the cereal more then the skim

would.

I'm not suggesting you eat cereal and milk (personally I wouldn't...too

carby) but I'm just using this as an example.

Deb

[Guest guest]

nanbarryprice wrote:

>

> This was an oops, please excuse me. My post/request did not come

> through, perhaps it will show up, but what I wanted here was for

> someone to please explain the glycemic index. I think I understand

> the concept and I understand the words, it is just that no picture is

> forming in my mind. is so good at explaining these

> things..., if you are reading, please enlighten us " slower " ones

> on how this is read and used.

>

> , Texas

>

>

> > > << The cereal is Back to Nature Go Lean Crunch @ 36g of carbs per

> > serving or

> > > Rice Chex at 27g per serving with fat free milk at 11g per serving.

> > I will

> > > try some low carb cereal and some of the other breakfast ideas. >>

> > >

> > > Here are Glycemic Index numbers for those with the *lowest*

> > readings, from

> > > http://www.mendosa.com/gilists.htm:

> > >

> > > BREAKFAST CEREALS

> > > Rice Bran 27 19

> > > Kelloggs' All Bran Fruit 'n Oats 55 39

> > > Kelloggs' Guardian 59 41

> > > All-bran 60 42

> > > Porridge (oatmeal) 70 49

> > > Red River Cereal 70 49

> > > Bran Buds 75 53

> > > Special K 77 54

> > > Oat Bran 78 55

> > > Kelloggs' Honey Smacks 78 55

> > > Muesli 80 56

> > > Kelloggs' Mini-Wheats (whole wheat) 81 57

> > > Bran Chex 83 58

> > > Kelloggs' Just Right 84 59

> > > The first column compares the cereal to white bread; the second

> to glucose.

> > > As you will see from checking out Rick Mendosa's site above, most

> > breakfast

> > > cereals approach popping glucose tablets in their impact on our bg's.

> > > Susie

,

Sorry for the late reply. I'm just catching up on the week-ends

e-mail.

The Glycemic Index is a measure of how much out bg's increase after

eating a particular food. It is a relative measure, comparing a food

to some standard. Presently, there are two standards, glucose and

white bread.

It doesn't matter which list you use, just be consistent when making

comparisons.

Higher GI's mean a higher bg increase. For instance, in the list

above, the rice bran (GI 27 or 19) raises bg much less than Museli (GI

80 or 56).

So, for diabetics (us!), choosing lower GI carbs will result in less

post-prandial (after eating) bg increases. No matter how many carbs

you eat, eating low GI carbs will result in less post-prandial bg

increases.

As mentioned previously I would suggest you go to

http://www.mendosa.com/gilists.htm and click on the link to glycemic

index for the full explanation of the GI and listings of the GI of the

foods that have been tested.

For myself, not only am I eating very low-carb (shooting for

<30grams/day per Bernstein), but I choose low GI also. Eating this

way, with a typical pre-prandial (before eating) bg of 85-100mg/dl, my

post-prandial increase is 20mg/dl or less. I don't always stay on

plan, of course, but it does work when I do eat this way.

, T2

Oregon

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