Re: not getting any better

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In a message dated 27/11/2006 19:48:28 GMT Standard Time,

phonicity@... writes:

Is there any way you can do a saliva test to see where your adrenal and

thyroid levels are at...sex hormones too? I feel for ya babe!

Thanks , I had my thyroid panel done in October and I was bottom of the

range for FT3 and FT4. suppressed TSH.

I had been trying to come off h.c and as I reduced the h.c I got palps and

had to reduce the Armour, so i ended up on 2 grains Armour and then, slowly but

surely I became extremely hypo as evidenced by these labs above.

I took a giant leap (for me who has had to take one-eight increases in the

past) of one grain increaee bringing me up[ to 3 grains and had palps at night

for the first three weeks which eventually got sorted.

And now I feel dreadful, anxious and on a real short-fuse, unable to cope,

unable to do any housework, walk the dog etc. and it is very overhwel;ming.

I was thinking, well I should wait out the six weeks to see how this

increase pans out but it is neartly a month ago and I feel dreadful.

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

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In a message dated 27/11/2006 21:23:07 GMT Standard Time,

lynworth@... writes:

Mo

I remember being like that on 3 grains, depressed all the time and

cried at the drop of a hat. Once I got above 3 grains it was like a

watershed.

I'm not suggesting that you raise again too soon, just that there may

be light at the end of the tunnel

Maybe you could try dropping down half a grain for a week or so and

see if it helps, if not you can raise again

Lynda

Hi Lynda

Prohblem is when i went above 3 grains before I became hyper.

So maybe you rsuggestion is a good one because I am crying at the drop of a

hat which is not like me, cannot cope with ANY stress at all, anxious all the

time, brain is in bits......

Mo

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In a message dated 27/11/2006 21:24:04 GMT Standard Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

Mo have you been taking temps? Can you post them?

I have been too il to even do that in recent days Val. I did do some for a

few days and then stopped for a few days, I did them again today, will check

and send what I have though I don't know if they will be v. useful.

Mo

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In a message dated 27/11/2006 22:52:47 GMT Standard Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

Mo I still think those high blood labs you had were more from low

cortisol blocking the thyroid and it building in your blood than you

actually being on too much Armour. Your adrenals must be a total mess. I

wish I could send oyu some of my excess!

Hi Val

The first lot of high labs were because i had taken my Armour dose the

morning of the test because i did not realise the doc was testing for thyroid

that

day. that is how I got found out for self-treating.

Then shortly after i had the 24-hr thyroid urine as per Dr Hertoghe which

showed me way over the range on both the frees.

At this time I was on 30 mg cortisol.

I am desperate for some help.

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

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In a message dated 27/11/2006 22:52:47 GMT Standard Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

Mo I still think those high blood labs you had were more from low

cortisol blocking the thyroid and it building in your blood than you

actually being on too much Armour. Your adrenals must be a total mess. I

wish I could send oyu some of my excess!

Hi Val

The first lot of high labs were because i had taken my Armour dose the

morning of the test because i did not realise the doc was testing for thyroid

that

day. that is how I got found out for self-treating.

Then shortly after i had the 24-hr thyroid urine as per Dr Hertoghe which

showed me way over the range on both the frees.

At this time I was on 30 mg cortisol.

I am desperate for some help.

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

Mo,

Is there any way you can do a saliva test to see where your adrenal and thyroid

levels are at...sex hormones too? I feel for ya babe!

NOVAexeter@... wrote: Hi

I am on the extra one grain Armour (up to three) from 1 November and i just

feel terribl.e

Very stressed and very exhausted.

Should i just be hanging on in here waiting for the six weeks to come and is

there anything i can do to help myself out of this balck hole?

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

Mo,

Is there any way you can do a saliva test to see where your adrenal and thyroid

levels are at...sex hormones too? I feel for ya babe!

NOVAexeter@... wrote: Hi

I am on the extra one grain Armour (up to three) from 1 November and i just

feel terribl.e

Very stressed and very exhausted.

Should i just be hanging on in here waiting for the six weeks to come and is

there anything i can do to help myself out of this balck hole?

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

Mo

I remember being like that on 3 grains, depressed all the time and

cried at the drop of a hat. Once I got above 3 grains it was like a

watershed.

I'm not suggesting that you raise again too soon, just that there may

be light at the end of the tunnel

Maybe you could try dropping down half a grain for a week or so and

see if it helps, if not you can raise again

Lynda

Re: not getting any better

>

>

> And now I feel dreadful, anxious and on a real short-fuse, unable to

> cope,

> unable to do any housework, walk the dog etc. and it is very

> overhwel;ming.

> I was thinking, well I should wait out the six weeks to see how this

> increase pans out but it is neartly a month ago and I feel dreadful.

>

> Mo

>

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Mo

I remember being like that on 3 grains, depressed all the time and

cried at the drop of a hat. Once I got above 3 grains it was like a

watershed.

I'm not suggesting that you raise again too soon, just that there may

be light at the end of the tunnel

Maybe you could try dropping down half a grain for a week or so and

see if it helps, if not you can raise again

Lynda

Re: not getting any better

>

>

> And now I feel dreadful, anxious and on a real short-fuse, unable to

> cope,

> unable to do any housework, walk the dog etc. and it is very

> overhwel;ming.

> I was thinking, well I should wait out the six weeks to see how this

> increase pans out but it is neartly a month ago and I feel dreadful.

>

> Mo

>

[Guest guest]

Mo I still think those high blood labs you had were more from low

cortisol blocking the thyroid and it building in your blood than you

actually being on too much Armour. Your adrenals must be a total mess. I

wish I could send oyu some of my excess!

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[Guest guest]

Mo I still think those high blood labs you had were more from low

cortisol blocking the thyroid and it building in your blood than you

actually being on too much Armour. Your adrenals must be a total mess. I

wish I could send oyu some of my excess!

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I just keep seeing your low temps. They do not show high thyroid. And

then the fact you were on Pred. 30 may just not be enough for you.

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[Guest guest]

I just keep seeing your low temps. They do not show high thyroid. And

then the fact you were on Pred. 30 may just not be enough for you.

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Mo,

Could you have caught a bug of some sort. I know that's a long shot, but...

I'm feeling awful myself and think I might have caught a bug being around so

many people out in public for the holiday here. I usually do get sick after

being in public...every single time!

I am 100% sure Val will be able to sort this out with you. Don't worry! We are

right here!

Sending you lots of good energy! Hang in there hon.

NOVAexeter@... wrote:

In a message dated 27/11/2006 19:48:28 GMT Standard Time,

phonicity@... writes:

Is there any way you can do a saliva test to see where your adrenal and

thyroid levels are at...sex hormones too? I feel for ya babe!

Thanks , I had my thyroid panel done in October and I was bottom of the

range for FT3 and FT4. suppressed TSH.

I had been trying to come off h.c and as I reduced the h.c I got palps and

had to reduce the Armour, so i ended up on 2 grains Armour and then, slowly but

surely I became extremely hypo as evidenced by these labs above.

I took a giant leap (for me who has had to take one-eight increases in the

past) of one grain increaee bringing me up[ to 3 grains and had palps at night

for the first three weeks which eventually got sorted.

And now I feel dreadful, anxious and on a real short-fuse, unable to cope,

unable to do any housework, walk the dog etc. and it is very overhwel;ming.

I was thinking, well I should wait out the six weeks to see how this

increase pans out but it is neartly a month ago and I feel dreadful.

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

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Mo,

Could you have caught a bug of some sort. I know that's a long shot, but...

I'm feeling awful myself and think I might have caught a bug being around so

many people out in public for the holiday here. I usually do get sick after

being in public...every single time!

I am 100% sure Val will be able to sort this out with you. Don't worry! We are

right here!

Sending you lots of good energy! Hang in there hon.

NOVAexeter@... wrote:

In a message dated 27/11/2006 19:48:28 GMT Standard Time,

phonicity@... writes:

Is there any way you can do a saliva test to see where your adrenal and

thyroid levels are at...sex hormones too? I feel for ya babe!

Thanks , I had my thyroid panel done in October and I was bottom of the

range for FT3 and FT4. suppressed TSH.

I had been trying to come off h.c and as I reduced the h.c I got palps and

had to reduce the Armour, so i ended up on 2 grains Armour and then, slowly but

surely I became extremely hypo as evidenced by these labs above.

I took a giant leap (for me who has had to take one-eight increases in the

past) of one grain increaee bringing me up[ to 3 grains and had palps at night

for the first three weeks which eventually got sorted.

And now I feel dreadful, anxious and on a real short-fuse, unable to cope,

unable to do any housework, walk the dog etc. and it is very overhwel;ming.

I was thinking, well I should wait out the six weeks to see how this

increase pans out but it is neartly a month ago and I feel dreadful.

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

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In a message dated 28/11/2006 00:02:35 GMT Standard Time,

phonicity@... writes:

Sending you lots of good energy! Hang in there hon.

Thanks you dear .

I did get a cold last week and shifted it in 24 hours with a mountain of

vitamin C (my bowel tolerance is way high) and something else that has proved

useful in the past is to take the homeopathic remedy Aconite 30. If this is

taken every 15 minutes or so at the signs of the first sneeze it can nib the

thing in the bud.

And it DID. Much to my amazement because I felt so very ill at the time (and

still do) and I thought I would have no resistance at all.

Good is good and in her heaven - sometimes!

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

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In a message dated 28/11/2006 09:52:53 GMT Standard Time,

artisticgroomer@... writes:

Depending on the dose of Pred you were on and for how long or hoe many

times, it has been known to shut the adrenals down. If his is the case,

your adrenals may not be producing much at all, an any little energy

your get from the thyroid would be countered by low cortisol keeping you

from gettign any benefits from it.

Hi Val

I was on 10 mg Pred for about three months. Would this shut down the

adrenals?

I did manage to get down to 15 mg h.c from 30 mg when I was trying to come

off the h.c and there seemed to be no ill effects from that. Would that be

consistent with the adrenals shutting down do you think?

The ill effects seemed to come later from the consequent reduction in Armour

that I needed to make as I lowered the h.c.

Mo

NOVA Counselling & Healing Services

[Guest guest]

Depending on the dose of Pred you were on and for how long or hoe many

times, it has been known to shut the adrenals down. If his is the case,

your adrenals may not be producing much at all, an any little energy

your get from the thyroid would be countered by low cortisol keeping you

from gettign any benefits from it.

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http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Yes, she is and she's watching over you! Hope you are even better by the time

you read this!

NOVAexeter@... wrote:

God is good and in her heaven - sometimes!

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