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In a message dated 4/18/02 12:08:11 AM !!!First Boot!!!,

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Oh gosh - could be several things. Being an overweight type 2 can be a

cause, because most of our excess weight is in the front and it throws off

our center of balance. Wearing jeans, etc., with tight waists can cause it.

(My diabetic waist is two sizes larger than my hips.) If for some reason you

have osteoporosis, that is a common cause. Stress can cause it. (I read that

one-third of back pain is caused by emotional factors.) It could be an

ergonomic thing, such as your typing chair. I wound up spending months in

physical therapy, just because of the position of my monitor, keyboard and

mouse.

Susie >>

I talked to my doc yesterday and apparently I have considerable arthritis in

my spine. :^( will it go away or am I stuck with this. Is it caused by

diabetes I mean the arthritis?

Kathy

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<< I have been having terrible back pain in my lower spine >>

Oh gosh - could be several things. Being an overweight type 2 can be a

cause, because most of our excess weight is in the front and it throws off

our center of balance. Wearing jeans, etc., with tight waists can cause it.

(My diabetic waist is two sizes larger than my hips.) If for some reason you

have osteoporosis, that is a common cause. Stress can cause it. (I read that

one-third of back pain is caused by emotional factors.) It could be an

ergonomic thing, such as your typing chair. I wound up spending months in

physical therapy, just because of the position of my monitor, keyboard and

mouse.

Susie

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Kathy wrote:

<< I talked to my doc yesterday and apparently I have considerable arthritis

in my spine. :^( will it go away or am I stuck with this. Is it caused by

diabetes I mean the arthritis? >>

Diabetes doesn't cause arthritis as far as I know, but it can cause it

indirectly, in that if we are obese, all that extra weight we are lugging

around is very hard on the joints in our bodies. I'm curious ... how did the

doctor go about determining you have arthritis? Have you had a bone density

scan done? Osteoarthritis usually gets worse gradually, rather than getting

better.

Susie

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In a message dated 4/18/02 6:42:19 PM !!!First Boot!!!,

ottercritter@... writes:

<< Diabetes doesn't cause arthritis as far as I know, but it can cause it

indirectly, in that if we are obese, all that extra weight we are lugging

around is very hard on the joints in our bodies. I'm curious ... how did the

doctor go about determining you have arthritis? Have you had a bone density

scan done? Osteoarthritis usually gets worse gradually, rather than getting

better. >>

I had an xray done of my back and he said there is a considerable amount of

arthritis. I have always had back trouble and it was ok for a long time and

all of a sudden I was having severe pain. I had gone to a chiropractor back

in 1982 and had my back manipulated three times because the pain was getting

worse instead of better. I was not very heavy at that time but had a

stressful job and I assumed that it was stress. Well I ended up flat on my

back for 3 weeks and couldn't even walk it was awful. Since then I have had

minor flare ups but this is ongoing now. I have read that arthritis is in

some cases an autoimmune disorder and I have been having so many problems. I

have had alopecia aeriota (sp?) where patches of my hair has fallen out. I

have just had a number of things go wrong and the Dermatologist said that

Diabetes is an autoimmune disorder so I was just wondering if the arthritis

might have something to do with it.

Kathy

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In a message dated 4/18/02 6:42:19 PM !!!First Boot!!!,

ottercritter@... writes:

<< Diabetes doesn't cause arthritis as far as I know, but it can cause it

indirectly, in that if we are obese, all that extra weight we are lugging

around is very hard on the joints in our bodies. I'm curious ... how did the

doctor go about determining you have arthritis? Have you had a bone density

scan done? Osteoarthritis usually gets worse gradually, rather than getting

better. >>

I had an xray done of my back and he said there is a considerable amount of

arthritis. I have always had back trouble and it was ok for a long time and

all of a sudden I was having severe pain. I had gone to a chiropractor back

in 1982 and had my back manipulated three times because the pain was getting

worse instead of better. I was not very heavy at that time but had a

stressful job and I assumed that it was stress. Well I ended up flat on my

back for 3 weeks and couldn't even walk it was awful. Since then I have had

minor flare ups but this is ongoing now. I have read that arthritis is in

some cases an autoimmune disorder and I have been having so many problems. I

have had alopecia aeriota (sp?) where patches of my hair has fallen out. I

have just had a number of things go wrong and the Dermatologist said that

Diabetes is an autoimmune disorder so I was just wondering if the arthritis

might have something to do with it.

Kathy

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In a message dated 4/18/02 6:42:19 PM !!!First Boot!!!,

ottercritter@... writes:

<< Diabetes doesn't cause arthritis as far as I know, but it can cause it

indirectly, in that if we are obese, all that extra weight we are lugging

around is very hard on the joints in our bodies. I'm curious ... how did the

doctor go about determining you have arthritis? Have you had a bone density

scan done? Osteoarthritis usually gets worse gradually, rather than getting

better. >>

I had an xray done of my back and he said there is a considerable amount of

arthritis. I have always had back trouble and it was ok for a long time and

all of a sudden I was having severe pain. I had gone to a chiropractor back

in 1982 and had my back manipulated three times because the pain was getting

worse instead of better. I was not very heavy at that time but had a

stressful job and I assumed that it was stress. Well I ended up flat on my

back for 3 weeks and couldn't even walk it was awful. Since then I have had

minor flare ups but this is ongoing now. I have read that arthritis is in

some cases an autoimmune disorder and I have been having so many problems. I

have had alopecia aeriota (sp?) where patches of my hair has fallen out. I

have just had a number of things go wrong and the Dermatologist said that

Diabetes is an autoimmune disorder so I was just wondering if the arthritis

might have something to do with it.

Kathy

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Hi, Kathy...I've never before heard that arthritis could be in some cases an

autoimmune disorder. Any chance you could give us some cites? Also, while

type 1 diabetes is autoimmune induced, type 2 definitely isn't. I assume

you have type 2, so the short answer to your question would probably be " no " .

Vicki

In a message dated 04/18/2002 8:03:39 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

tiggeriffic4258@... writes:

> Since then I have had minor flare ups but this is ongoing now. I have read

> that arthritis is in some cases an autoimmune disorder and I have been

> having so many probles. I have had alopecia aeriota (sp?) where patches of

> my hair has fallen out. I have just had a number of things go wrong and

> the Dermatologist said that Diabetes is an autoimmune disorder so I was

> just wondering if the arthritis

> might have something to do with it.

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In a message dated 4/19/02 2:58:45 PM !!!First Boot!!!, whimsy2@...

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<< type 1 diabetes is autoimmune induced, type 2 definitely isn't. I assume

you have type 2, so the short answer to your question would probably be

" no " .

Vicki >>

Well actually it was a friend that told me the arthritis was autoimmune so I

will ask her about it and get back to you.

Kathy

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In a message dated 4/19/02 3:58:19 PM !!!First Boot!!!,

nanbarryprice@... writes:

<< Kathy, you don't say which type arthritis you have so I am assuming

that you have not gone for a diagnosis on this. >>

You are right, in fact I am waiting for my dh to come home with my insulin

(someone put my insulin in the freezer last night, I think one of my kids)

and I have to take my shot and then off to the doc for the diagnosis.

Kathy

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In a message dated 4/19/02 3:58:19 PM !!!First Boot!!!,

nanbarryprice@... writes:

<< Kathy, you don't say which type arthritis you have so I am assuming

that you have not gone for a diagnosis on this. >>

You are right, in fact I am waiting for my dh to come home with my insulin

(someone put my insulin in the freezer last night, I think one of my kids)

and I have to take my shot and then off to the doc for the diagnosis.

Kathy

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Kathy, you don't say which type arthritis you have so I am assuming

that you have not gone for a diagnosis on this. To let you know,

there is about a 100 different types, affecting different things.

Depending on what type you have, yes, it could be autoimmune. I have

one. I am so far controlling with diet (remarkably similar to Atkins)

and constant movement (exercise would be better). Weight will be a

contributing factor, supplements can help, too. I helped myself by

joining a couple of arthritis groups here on yahoogroups. Just like

this list, those " families " were very helpful.

, Texas

> In a message dated 4/18/02 6:42:19 PM !!!First Boot!!!,

> ottercritter@c... writes:

>

> << Diabetes doesn't cause arthritis as far as I know, but it can

cause it

> indirectly, in that if we are obese, all that extra weight we are

lugging

> around is very hard on the joints in our bodies. I'm curious ...

how did the

> doctor go about determining you have arthritis? Have you had a

bone density

> scan done? Osteoarthritis usually gets worse gradually, rather

than getting

> better. >>

> I had an xray done of my back and he said there is a considerable

amount of

> arthritis. I have always had back trouble and it was ok for a long

time and

> all of a sudden I was having severe pain. I had gone to a

chiropractor back

> in 1982 and had my back manipulated three times because the pain

was getting

> worse instead of better. I was not very heavy at that time but had

a

> stressful job and I assumed that it was stress. Well I ended up

flat on my

> back for 3 weeks and couldn't even walk it was awful. Since then I

have had

> minor flare ups but this is ongoing now. I have read that

arthritis is in

> some cases an autoimmune disorder and I have been having so many

problems. I

> have had alopecia aeriota (sp?) where patches of my hair has fallen

out. I

> have just had a number of things go wrong and the Dermatologist

said that

> Diabetes is an autoimmune disorder so I was just wondering if the

arthritis

> might have something to do with it.

> Kathy

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Kathy wrote:

<< I have read that arthritis is in some cases an autoimmune disorder and I

have been having so many problems. I have had alopecia aeriota (sp?) where

patches of my hair has fallen out. I have just had a number of things go

wrong and the Dermatologist said that Diabetes is an autoimmune disorder so

I was just wondering if the arthritis might have something to do with it. >>

The arthritis could be a separate issue from the others. I've been

researching for a family, all of whom have herpes. I was quite alarmed to

learn that it can cause a vast array of health problems over the years. We

have to leave town now. If I don't remember to send you privately info about

how it can cause alopecia, etc., by early next week, please send a reminder.

It can disrupt immune systems. The term you refer to is " alopecia areata, "

but there is another term for the alopecia that is caused by the herpes

virus lurking in one's system. This is just one possibility, but it's worth

investigating. Treatment for chronic conditions is low-dose Acyclovir, for

several months. These children will be at the Mayo Clinic soon, and I'll

update you if I learn anything new.

Susie

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In a message dated 4/19/02 8:03:55 PM !!!First Boot!!!,

tiggeriffic4258@... writes:

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and I have to take my shot and then off to the doc for the diagnosis.

Kathy >>

I have a bunch of garden variety arthritis in my spine. He says it is all

localized and there really isn't anything we can do right now except keep me

active and medicate me.

Kathy

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In a message dated 4/19/02 9:53:41 PM !!!First Boot!!!,

ottercritter@... writes:

<< . We

have to leave town now. >>

You didn't rob the local bank or anything did ya??? HAHAHA Thanks for the

info, my sis has such a problem with herpes.

Thanks

Kathy

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In a message dated 4/19/02 9:53:41 PM !!!First Boot!!!,

ottercritter@... writes:

<< . We

have to leave town now. >>

You didn't rob the local bank or anything did ya??? HAHAHA Thanks for the

info, my sis has such a problem with herpes.

Thanks

Kathy

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In a message dated 4/20/02 12:46:24 AM !!!First Boot!!!,

nanbarryprice@... writes:

<< Glucosamine and Chrondroiton, and if you find that product and it

includes some MSM, even better. I'm not sure how the glucosamine may

affect sugar levels, perhaps someone here knows. And then, yes,

exercise, keep moving, drink lots of water, avoid sugars and you will

be soooo surprised at how well you will feel. Believe me. I'm walking

proof. >>

Thanks for the advice, I am exercising a lot today I logged in 1 hour on my

bike and I am also weight training. I have always exercised but I am

stepping it up a bit. My hubby is taking the glucosamine and chondriotin

does that take awhile to kick in??? I am trying to take off the weight and I

am sure that will help. It seems to I just realized that my back started

getting really bad when my sugars started creeping up. Hmmmmmmm This groups

is so helpful I have gotten so many ideas.

Thanks

Kathy

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In a message dated 4/20/02 12:46:24 AM !!!First Boot!!!,

nanbarryprice@... writes:

<< Glucosamine and Chrondroiton, and if you find that product and it

includes some MSM, even better. I'm not sure how the glucosamine may

affect sugar levels, perhaps someone here knows. And then, yes,

exercise, keep moving, drink lots of water, avoid sugars and you will

be soooo surprised at how well you will feel. Believe me. I'm walking

proof. >>

Thanks for the advice, I am exercising a lot today I logged in 1 hour on my

bike and I am also weight training. I have always exercised but I am

stepping it up a bit. My hubby is taking the glucosamine and chondriotin

does that take awhile to kick in??? I am trying to take off the weight and I

am sure that will help. It seems to I just realized that my back started

getting really bad when my sugars started creeping up. Hmmmmmmm This groups

is so helpful I have gotten so many ideas.

Thanks

Kathy

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In a message dated 4/20/02 12:46:24 AM !!!First Boot!!!,

nanbarryprice@... writes:

<< Glucosamine and Chrondroiton, and if you find that product and it

includes some MSM, even better. I'm not sure how the glucosamine may

affect sugar levels, perhaps someone here knows. And then, yes,

exercise, keep moving, drink lots of water, avoid sugars and you will

be soooo surprised at how well you will feel. Believe me. I'm walking

proof. >>

Thanks for the advice, I am exercising a lot today I logged in 1 hour on my

bike and I am also weight training. I have always exercised but I am

stepping it up a bit. My hubby is taking the glucosamine and chondriotin

does that take awhile to kick in??? I am trying to take off the weight and I

am sure that will help. It seems to I just realized that my back started

getting really bad when my sugars started creeping up. Hmmmmmmm This groups

is so helpful I have gotten so many ideas.

Thanks

Kathy

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Yeah, Kathy, and what did your doctor tell you about diabetes? Any of

the info you find here? Garden variety arthritis is GREATLY helped by

Glucosamine and Chrondroiton, and if you find that product and it

includes some MSM, even better. I'm not sure how the glucosamine may

affect sugar levels, perhaps someone here knows. And then, yes,

exercise, keep moving, drink lots of water, avoid sugars and you will

be soooo surprised at how well you will feel. Believe me. I'm walking

proof.

, Texas

> In a message dated 4/19/02 8:03:55 PM !!!First Boot!!!,

> tiggeriffic4258@a... writes:

>

> <<

> and I have to take my shot and then off to the doc for the

diagnosis.

> Kathy >>

> I have a bunch of garden variety arthritis in my spine. He says it

is all

> localized and there really isn't anything we can do right now

except keep me

> active and medicate me.

> Kathy

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In a message dated 4/20/02 12:55:10 AM !!!First Boot!!!,

jtbolen@... writes:

<< I understand that some people find that Glucosamine increases blood sugar

levels. I would say that, if one is interested in it, it would make sense

to start it after a period of not changing anything anything else and then

test, test, test.

Tom the Actuary >>

I am going to my endo this week and I will ask him, I would just try it but

my sugar is not under control yet.

Kathy

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In a message dated 4/20/02 12:55:10 AM !!!First Boot!!!,

jtbolen@... writes:

<< I understand that some people find that Glucosamine increases blood sugar

levels. I would say that, if one is interested in it, it would make sense

to start it after a period of not changing anything anything else and then

test, test, test.

Tom the Actuary >>

I am going to my endo this week and I will ask him, I would just try it but

my sugar is not under control yet.

Kathy

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In a message dated 4/20/02 12:55:10 AM !!!First Boot!!!,

jtbolen@... writes:

<< I understand that some people find that Glucosamine increases blood sugar

levels. I would say that, if one is interested in it, it would make sense

to start it after a period of not changing anything anything else and then

test, test, test.

Tom the Actuary >>

I am going to my endo this week and I will ask him, I would just try it but

my sugar is not under control yet.

Kathy

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I understand that some people find that Glucosamine increases blood sugar

levels. I would say that, if one is interested in it, it would make sense

to start it after a period of not changing anything anything else and then

test, test, test.

Tom the Actuary

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> includes some MSM, even better. I'm not sure how the glucosamine may

> affect sugar levels, perhaps someone here knows. And then, yes,

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I understand that some people find that Glucosamine increases blood sugar

levels. I would say that, if one is interested in it, it would make sense

to start it after a period of not changing anything anything else and then

test, test, test.

Tom the Actuary

> -----Original Message-----

> includes some MSM, even better. I'm not sure how the glucosamine may

> affect sugar levels, perhaps someone here knows. And then, yes,

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I understand that some people find that Glucosamine increases blood sugar

levels. I would say that, if one is interested in it, it would make sense

to start it after a period of not changing anything anything else and then

test, test, test.

Tom the Actuary

> -----Original Message-----

> includes some MSM, even better. I'm not sure how the glucosamine may

> affect sugar levels, perhaps someone here knows. And then, yes,

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