Re: Deb - weight loss...and a question

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Deb, I am just like you. So I follow Atkins, eat 20 carbs a day and when I

stick to it I lose. Lost 3 pounds this week and in heavy ketosis. But, when

I started last year on Atkins, I lost right off the bat as soon as I go off

all the meds. Just a suggestion.

There is a difference in keeping you diabetes under good control and weight

loss, which Atkins specializes in, even though one usually goes with the

other.

If I just wanted to control my blood sugarI probaly could add some carbs,

but to lose weight and be in ketosis, I have to cut it to the bone. If you

want to know what I ate yesterday, let me know.

Phyllis N

Now...regarding weight loss I have a question...I have been on LC (appx 30

>grams carbs) for exactly 38 days. My BG and BP have totally stabilized and

>I

>was able to stop the Glucophage XR I was taking, and my energy level is

>much

>better then it had been when I had high bg readings....but I am not

>experiencing any real weight loss. In the first two weeks I did loose a

>total of 10 lbs...water i assume....since then I did gain 3 back and then

>lost the 3 again...I assume water also...monthly cycle.

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[Guest guest]

Deb, I am just like you. So I follow Atkins, eat 20 carbs a day and when I

stick to it I lose. Lost 3 pounds this week and in heavy ketosis. But, when

I started last year on Atkins, I lost right off the bat as soon as I go off

all the meds. Just a suggestion.

There is a difference in keeping you diabetes under good control and weight

loss, which Atkins specializes in, even though one usually goes with the

other.

If I just wanted to control my blood sugarI probaly could add some carbs,

but to lose weight and be in ketosis, I have to cut it to the bone. If you

want to know what I ate yesterday, let me know.

Phyllis N

Now...regarding weight loss I have a question...I have been on LC (appx 30

>grams carbs) for exactly 38 days. My BG and BP have totally stabilized and

>I

>was able to stop the Glucophage XR I was taking, and my energy level is

>much

>better then it had been when I had high bg readings....but I am not

>experiencing any real weight loss. In the first two weeks I did loose a

>total of 10 lbs...water i assume....since then I did gain 3 back and then

>lost the 3 again...I assume water also...monthly cycle.

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In a message dated 4/11/02 12:58:30 PM !!!First Boot!!!,

pnorwood1@... writes:

<< Deb, I am just like you. So I follow Atkins, eat 20 carbs a day and when I

stick to it I lose. Lost 3 pounds this week and in heavy ketosis >>

The problem I have with the weight loss thing is this, a few years back I

went on the ADA diet and I lost 38 pounds and I felt very satisfied. I was

just wondering what is the difference? My friend Barb went on the Atkins

type diet and she lost a ton of weight and then she got tired of it and

gained back a ton and a half?

Kathy

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In a message dated 4/11/02 12:58:30 PM !!!First Boot!!!,

pnorwood1@... writes:

<< Deb, I am just like you. So I follow Atkins, eat 20 carbs a day and when I

stick to it I lose. Lost 3 pounds this week and in heavy ketosis >>

The problem I have with the weight loss thing is this, a few years back I

went on the ADA diet and I lost 38 pounds and I felt very satisfied. I was

just wondering what is the difference? My friend Barb went on the Atkins

type diet and she lost a ton of weight and then she got tired of it and

gained back a ton and a half?

Kathy

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In a message dated 4/13/02 1:30:54 AM !!!First Boot!!!, moseart@...

writes:

<< thy,

Would you please explain the above? I still have a lot to learn. I thought

ketosis was rapid and dangerous weight loss caused by dm being out of

control. Obviously I'm wrong and if I am does it mean that you or others

induce ketosis somehow as a method of losing weight. If that's the case

isn't it dangerous.

Sorry if I'm out of line here, but I am showing my ignorance in this area

intentionally.

Art >>

THat is one of my concerns too. I had posted that I had lost 38 pounds on

the other diet, I just watched what I ate and I always felt satisfied. I am

really confused.

Kathy

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Lost 3 pounds this week and in heavy ketosis >>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Kathy,

Would you please explain the above? I still have a lot to learn. I thought

ketosis was rapid and dangerous weight loss caused by dm being out of control.

Obviously I'm wrong and if I am does it mean that you or others induce ketosis

somehow as a method of losing weight. If that's the case isn't it dangerous.

Sorry if I'm out of line here, but I am showing my ignorance in this area

intentionally.

Art

[Guest guest]

Hello moseart@...,

In reference to your comment:

ð BTW, the way I handle email is to have it set up by

ð category through message rules and then read one

ð category, one email at a time.  As I read each email I

ð decide which I want to respond to as I read it.  Those

ð that I want to respond to go into a separate file

ð immediately.  When I have gone through each category

ð I go back to the separate file and read those questions

ð into a tape recorder and play the message back to

ð myself so that I hear it and retain it.  I then write the

ð response and send it off.

Wow Art... i'm sorry to hear of your losses, but think its amazing that you

can set up and do the things you can do

[Guest guest]

Hello moseart@...,

In reference to your comment:

ð BTW, the way I handle email is to have it set up by

ð category through message rules and then read one

ð category, one email at a time.  As I read each email I

ð decide which I want to respond to as I read it.  Those

ð that I want to respond to go into a separate file

ð immediately.  When I have gone through each category

ð I go back to the separate file and read those questions

ð into a tape recorder and play the message back to

ð myself so that I hear it and retain it.  I then write the

ð response and send it off.

Wow Art... i'm sorry to hear of your losses, but think its amazing that you

can set up and do the things you can do

[Guest guest]

Art Mc wrote:

<< I thought ketosis was rapid and dangerous weight loss caused by dm being

out of control. >>

The terms are benign dietary ketosis, which is what Atkins-type dieters

strive for, to aid in weight loss (burning the body's own fat for fuel,

rather than carbohydrates), and ketoacidosis, which is the dangerous

condition you described above, which can affect both type 1's and 2's whose

numbers have soared out of control. Often, the symptom that undiagnosed

diabetics report when presenting for a diagnosis is a sudden, unexplained

weight loss. But dietary ketosis is a different animal. " Dr. Atkins' New

Diet Revolution " by Atkins discusses it at length, as do other books.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Art Mc wrote:

<< I thought ketosis was rapid and dangerous weight loss caused by dm being

out of control. >>

The terms are benign dietary ketosis, which is what Atkins-type dieters

strive for, to aid in weight loss (burning the body's own fat for fuel,

rather than carbohydrates), and ketoacidosis, which is the dangerous

condition you described above, which can affect both type 1's and 2's whose

numbers have soared out of control. Often, the symptom that undiagnosed

diabetics report when presenting for a diagnosis is a sudden, unexplained

weight loss. But dietary ketosis is a different animal. " Dr. Atkins' New

Diet Revolution " by Atkins discusses it at length, as do other books.

Susie

[Guest guest]

Art Mc wrote:

<< I thought ketosis was rapid and dangerous weight loss caused by dm being

out of control. >>

The terms are benign dietary ketosis, which is what Atkins-type dieters

strive for, to aid in weight loss (burning the body's own fat for fuel,

rather than carbohydrates), and ketoacidosis, which is the dangerous

condition you described above, which can affect both type 1's and 2's whose

numbers have soared out of control. Often, the symptom that undiagnosed

diabetics report when presenting for a diagnosis is a sudden, unexplained

weight loss. But dietary ketosis is a different animal. " Dr. Atkins' New

Diet Revolution " by Atkins discusses it at length, as do other books.

Susie

[Guest guest]

The terms are benign dietary ketosis

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Thanks Susie.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

But dietary ketosis is a different animal. " Dr. Atkins' New

Diet Revolution " by Atkins discusses it at length, as do other books.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yes, I'm sure that it does. I'd love to read it as well as Bernstein and

the others that are constantly mentioned here, but I am unable to do so.

I've mentioned the " tough time " that I had last Spring here a couple of

times and went into some detail on one occasion, but have not mentioned one

of permanent effects that resulted from this period of my life. Needless to

say that I don't remember it, but when my wife woke and found me not

breathing, called the ambulance, the time between the call and the

paramedics, police and fire, successful attempt to revive me etc. is

unknown. I also went down two more times for short periods of time. At

some point, probably between the time prior to my wife's awareness of my

condition and the paramedics getting me breathing again I experienced

ischemic encepolopathy for an unknown period of time and was apparently

quite lucky that the brain damage was not worse than it was. To cut to the

chase one of the loss areas is my inability to read and retain anything of

any length unless it is read aloud to me. I have always been a voracious

reader and now must resort to Books on Tape, movies, CD's etc. . . .there is

some sort of disconnect between visual only reading and short term memory.

The therapist that I saw three times per week for three months for memory

compensation techniques was the person who diagnosed this when trying to

figure out why I could not retain a question from a test long enough to

answer it unless she read it to me. To cut to the chase:-). . .I can't read

with any retention anymore and will not be able to, my balance is poor, but

has improved quite a bit with physical therapy and conditioning, and short

term memory is moderately to severely damaged and I am somewhat aphasic

verbally. This seems to vary from day to day though, however. The Brain is

a " funny organ " and although great strides have been made over the years it

is still not fully understood.

BTW, the way I handle email is to have it set up by category through message

rules and then read one category, one email at a time. As I read each email

I decide which I want to respond to as I read it. Those that I want to

respond to go into a separate file immediately. When I have gone through

each category I go back to the separate file and read those questions into a

tape recorder and play the message back to myself so that I hear it and

retain it. I then write the response and send it off. The therapist came

up with this routine and it works well for me albeit a bit slow.

The good news is that all other facets of my memory are normal:-)

I hope this explains some of my repetitious questions to you:-)

Art

[Guest guest]

The terms are benign dietary ketosis

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Thanks Susie.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

But dietary ketosis is a different animal. " Dr. Atkins' New

Diet Revolution " by Atkins discusses it at length, as do other books.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yes, I'm sure that it does. I'd love to read it as well as Bernstein and

the others that are constantly mentioned here, but I am unable to do so.

I've mentioned the " tough time " that I had last Spring here a couple of

times and went into some detail on one occasion, but have not mentioned one

of permanent effects that resulted from this period of my life. Needless to

say that I don't remember it, but when my wife woke and found me not

breathing, called the ambulance, the time between the call and the

paramedics, police and fire, successful attempt to revive me etc. is

unknown. I also went down two more times for short periods of time. At

some point, probably between the time prior to my wife's awareness of my

condition and the paramedics getting me breathing again I experienced

ischemic encepolopathy for an unknown period of time and was apparently

quite lucky that the brain damage was not worse than it was. To cut to the

chase one of the loss areas is my inability to read and retain anything of

any length unless it is read aloud to me. I have always been a voracious

reader and now must resort to Books on Tape, movies, CD's etc. . . .there is

some sort of disconnect between visual only reading and short term memory.

The therapist that I saw three times per week for three months for memory

compensation techniques was the person who diagnosed this when trying to

figure out why I could not retain a question from a test long enough to

answer it unless she read it to me. To cut to the chase:-). . .I can't read

with any retention anymore and will not be able to, my balance is poor, but

has improved quite a bit with physical therapy and conditioning, and short

term memory is moderately to severely damaged and I am somewhat aphasic

verbally. This seems to vary from day to day though, however. The Brain is

a " funny organ " and although great strides have been made over the years it

is still not fully understood.

BTW, the way I handle email is to have it set up by category through message

rules and then read one category, one email at a time. As I read each email

I decide which I want to respond to as I read it. Those that I want to

respond to go into a separate file immediately. When I have gone through

each category I go back to the separate file and read those questions into a

tape recorder and play the message back to myself so that I hear it and

retain it. I then write the response and send it off. The therapist came

up with this routine and it works well for me albeit a bit slow.

The good news is that all other facets of my memory are normal:-)

I hope this explains some of my repetitious questions to you:-)

Art

[Guest guest]

Art,

Wow......Our brains are truly amazing. I'm impressed that your therapist was

able to help work all this out. Your recovery is amazing.

Carol T

[Guest guest]

Art,

Wow......Our brains are truly amazing. I'm impressed that your therapist was

able to help work all this out. Your recovery is amazing.

Carol T

[Guest guest]

Wow......Our brains are truly amazing. I'm impressed that your therapist was

able to help work all this out. Your recovery is amazing.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Thanks Carol, but I'm not really recovered and won't be, but (with a lot of help

from therapists and family) I've learned to compensate pretty well I think.

There are however, little things that I still screw up. For example, a few

minutes ago I was in the kitchen and my wife was downstairs doing whatever and

she asked me to bring her down some Orange colored cleaning stuff and a mop.

When I got down there she smiled and asked me what she was supposed to do with

the broom <G>. The mop was still upstairs. . . I'm doing OK though and one heck

of a lot better than the Docs told my family I would ever be.

Art

[Guest guest]

Wow......Our brains are truly amazing. I'm impressed that your therapist was

able to help work all this out. Your recovery is amazing.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Thanks Carol, but I'm not really recovered and won't be, but (with a lot of help

from therapists and family) I've learned to compensate pretty well I think.

There are however, little things that I still screw up. For example, a few

minutes ago I was in the kitchen and my wife was downstairs doing whatever and

she asked me to bring her down some Orange colored cleaning stuff and a mop.

When I got down there she smiled and asked me what she was supposed to do with

the broom <G>. The mop was still upstairs. . . I'm doing OK though and one heck

of a lot better than the Docs told my family I would ever be.

Art

[Guest guest]

Art Mc wrote:

<< I'd love to read it as well as Bernstein and the others that are

constantly mentioned here, but I am unable to do so. I've mentioned the

" tough time " that I had last Spring here a couple of times and went into

some detail on one occasion ... >>

Art, just ask away. I have devoted my life to helping my fellow diabetics

.... doesn't matter how many times you ask or the objections anyone raises. I

and others in this group are just here to help each other. Keep up your good

work!

Susie

[Guest guest]

Art Mc wrote:

<< I'd love to read it as well as Bernstein and the others that are

constantly mentioned here, but I am unable to do so. I've mentioned the

" tough time " that I had last Spring here a couple of times and went into

some detail on one occasion ... >>

Art, just ask away. I have devoted my life to helping my fellow diabetics

.... doesn't matter how many times you ask or the objections anyone raises. I

and others in this group are just here to help each other. Keep up your good

work!

Susie

[Guest guest]

Art, just ask away. I have devoted my life to helping my fellow diabetics

.... doesn't matter how many times you ask or the objections anyone raises. I

and others in this group are just here to help each other. Keep up your good

work!

Susie

>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Thanks Susie,

Art

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/13/02 3:30:04 PM !!!First Boot!!!, sandyb@...

writes:

<< " Therefore, unless one is an insulin dependent diabetic or literally

starving TO DEATH due to a lack of food, there is little or no danger from

ketosis which is not characterized by a simultaneous RISE IN BLOOD GLUCOSE

and BLOOD ACIDITY. " >>

Ok I am on insulin, I have chosen insulin for tighter control does this mean

I am in danger???

Kathy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/13/02 3:30:04 PM !!!First Boot!!!, sandyb@...

writes:

<< " Therefore, unless one is an insulin dependent diabetic or literally

starving TO DEATH due to a lack of food, there is little or no danger from

ketosis which is not characterized by a simultaneous RISE IN BLOOD GLUCOSE

and BLOOD ACIDITY. " >>

Ok I am on insulin, I have chosen insulin for tighter control does this mean

I am in danger???

Kathy

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 4/13/02 3:30:04 PM !!!First Boot!!!, sandyb@...

writes:

<< " Therefore, unless one is an insulin dependent diabetic or literally

starving TO DEATH due to a lack of food, there is little or no danger from

ketosis which is not characterized by a simultaneous RISE IN BLOOD GLUCOSE

and BLOOD ACIDITY. " >>

Ok I am on insulin, I have chosen insulin for tighter control does this mean

I am in danger???

Kathy

[Guest guest]

>I thought ketosis was rapid and dangerous weight loss caused by dm being

>out of

>control. Obviously I'm wrong and if I am does it mean that you or others

>induce ketosis somehow as a method of losing weight. If that's the case

>isn't it dangerous.

Ketosis vs. ketoacidosis

Ketosis:

http://216.239.35.100/search?q=cache:soUnIMdE-eEC:www.survivediabetes.com/ketosi\

s.htm+ketosis & hl=en

Ketoacidosis :

http://www.merck.com/pubs/mmanual/section2/chapter13/13b.htm

Comparison of the 2:

www.lowcarbretreat.com/ketosis.html

" Therefore, unless one is an insulin dependent diabetic or literally

starving TO DEATH due to a lack of food, there is little or no danger from

ketosis which is not characterized by a simultaneous RISE IN BLOOD GLUCOSE

and BLOOD ACIDITY. "

Sandy

[Guest guest]

Absolutely not, Kathy! Vicki

In a message dated 04/13/2002 1:08:13 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

tiggeriffic4258@... writes:

> Ok I am on insulin, I have chosen insulin for tighter control does this mean

>

> I am in danger???

> Kathy

>

>