Re: Repost!: new to hc, need help! Re-Post!

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The moderator on stop the thyroid madness for

pituitary problems said to have the ACTH test to check

pituitary problems that may be causing adrenal/thyroid

issues. I had a saliva test for adrenals and the

results indicate that I'm at stage 3-4, so now I'm a

little confused. I don't have symptoms of 's

but thought the test is for pituitary involvement.

--- angesc2001 wrote:

>

> >

> > - Is it the ACTH test that looks for

> adrenal

> > antibodies? This is to check for 's I

> thought.

> >

>

> No, the ACTH stim test doesn't check adrenal

> antibodies, but it can

> determine if you have 's. However, I was

> told here (prior to

> having the ACTH stim test) that it really only

> determines if you have

> full-blown 's. I would have to agree with

> that assessment now.

>

> The ACTH stim test assesses your baseline ACTH, then

> they give you an

> injection of synthetic ACTH which should raise your

> cortisol level.

>

> According to the Merck Manual...

>

> Normal preinjection plasma cortisol ranges from 5 to

> 25 ?g/dL (138 to

> 690 nmol/L) and doubles in 30 to 90 min, reaching at

> least 20 ?g/dL

> (552 nmol/L). Patients with 's disease have

> low or low-normal

> values that do not rise above 20 ?g/dL at 30

> min.

>

> Here is a link to an adrenal antibody test...

>

>

http://www.specialtylabs.com/tests/details.asp?id=1130

>

> This is a blood test that looks for the antibodies.

>

>

>

>

>

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>

> The moderator on stop the thyroid madness for

> pituitary problems said to have the ACTH test to check

> pituitary problems that may be causing adrenal/thyroid

> issues. I had a saliva test for adrenals and the

> results indicate that I'm at stage 3-4, so now I'm a

> little confused. I don't have symptoms of 's

> but thought the test is for pituitary involvement.

>

Sorry if I created confusion by only listing part of the issue...That

is correct as well.

According to the Merck Manual...

Low ACTH (< 5 pg/mL) and cortisol suggest secondary adrenal insufficiency

Here's a link to Merch on secondary adrenal insufficiency...

http://www.merck.com/mmpe/sec12/ch153/ch153c.html

Just out of curiosity, is there a reason why you're looking at

pituitary, rather than just adrenal fatigue?

Warmly,

[Guest guest]

>

> The moderator on stop the thyroid madness for

> pituitary problems said to have the ACTH test to check

> pituitary problems that may be causing adrenal/thyroid

> issues. I had a saliva test for adrenals and the

> results indicate that I'm at stage 3-4, so now I'm a

> little confused. I don't have symptoms of 's

> but thought the test is for pituitary involvement.

>

Sorry if I created confusion by only listing part of the issue...That

is correct as well.

According to the Merck Manual...

Low ACTH (< 5 pg/mL) and cortisol suggest secondary adrenal insufficiency

Here's a link to Merch on secondary adrenal insufficiency...

http://www.merck.com/mmpe/sec12/ch153/ch153c.html

Just out of curiosity, is there a reason why you're looking at

pituitary, rather than just adrenal fatigue?

Warmly,

[Guest guest]

>

> The moderator on stop the thyroid madness for

> pituitary problems said to have the ACTH test to check

> pituitary problems that may be causing adrenal/thyroid

> issues. I had a saliva test for adrenals and the

> results indicate that I'm at stage 3-4, so now I'm a

> little confused. I don't have symptoms of 's

> but thought the test is for pituitary involvement.

>

Sorry if I created confusion by only listing part of the issue...That

is correct as well.

According to the Merck Manual...

Low ACTH (< 5 pg/mL) and cortisol suggest secondary adrenal insufficiency

Here's a link to Merch on secondary adrenal insufficiency...

http://www.merck.com/mmpe/sec12/ch153/ch153c.html

Just out of curiosity, is there a reason why you're looking at

pituitary, rather than just adrenal fatigue?

Warmly,

[Guest guest]

>

> I could have more than weak adrenals. I'm also trying

> to find the root cause of my weak adrenals.

>

Have you come up with any interesting info or patterns yet? I'm

looking at the same thing - trying to figure out what the drs are too

narrow-minded, short-sighted, or just plain disinterested in looking at!

Have you looked at low progesterone & iodine deficiency?

Love to hear your observations...

Warmly,

[Guest guest]

>Maybe that's it then, Candida. I don't know much about that, have

>never had any problems with it. Is it possible for it to cause hives?

>Linn

Hi Linn,

I'm working off 's post from the other day:

>Funny you should mention hives. I have not had hives in years and have

>developed them on my abdoman. I believe it is due to HC increasing yeast

>activity (my suppositiohn).

My feeling is with Candida, practically is possible!

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

>Glad to hear that your temps & BP are finally up, Dahlia! That's

>great! perhaps all you needed was more HC.

>Don't worry about it being 's - statistically, chances are

>small that it is. I think the more critical aspect is whether your

>aldosterone is low.

>I didn't mean to worry you, Dahlia. More that I want to share what

>I've learned on my path, and if I'd known then what I know now, I

>would have been asking a whole different set of questions.

>Keep us posted on how you're doing, Dahlia!!!

>Warmly,

>

Hey !

Well, my 98.4 was short lived. As I write, I think it's 97.3. My pulses

are ranging from mid-70s down to 56 is my low, and no more 40s. I

increased my h.c. to 25 mgs. and also increased my iodine intake.

I think I may have ramped up the Armour too fast.??? Would that account

for the temperature fluctuations? I went from 60 mg Armour to 105, which

probably was too big a jump. I'm cutting that back to 90. Hoping that

steadies things.

That said, I finally am starting to feel really good and even was hungry

for dinner--can't remember the last time I had an appetite. And I managed

10 minutes on the nordic track and 5 on the mini tramp. First time in

over 2 weeks.

My sodium level came back really good, right in the middle of the range,

so I'm not so worried about aldosterone. and thank you for the

reassurance re: addison's. I was a little scared there :-).

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

>Glad to hear that your temps & BP are finally up, Dahlia! That's

>great! perhaps all you needed was more HC.

>Don't worry about it being 's - statistically, chances are

>small that it is. I think the more critical aspect is whether your

>aldosterone is low.

>I didn't mean to worry you, Dahlia. More that I want to share what

>I've learned on my path, and if I'd known then what I know now, I

>would have been asking a whole different set of questions.

>Keep us posted on how you're doing, Dahlia!!!

>Warmly,

>

Hey !

Well, my 98.4 was short lived. As I write, I think it's 97.3. My pulses

are ranging from mid-70s down to 56 is my low, and no more 40s. I

increased my h.c. to 25 mgs. and also increased my iodine intake.

I think I may have ramped up the Armour too fast.??? Would that account

for the temperature fluctuations? I went from 60 mg Armour to 105, which

probably was too big a jump. I'm cutting that back to 90. Hoping that

steadies things.

That said, I finally am starting to feel really good and even was hungry

for dinner--can't remember the last time I had an appetite. And I managed

10 minutes on the nordic track and 5 on the mini tramp. First time in

over 2 weeks.

My sodium level came back really good, right in the middle of the range,

so I'm not so worried about aldosterone. and thank you for the

reassurance re: addison's. I was a little scared there :-).

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

>Glad to hear that your temps & BP are finally up, Dahlia! That's

>great! perhaps all you needed was more HC.

>Don't worry about it being 's - statistically, chances are

>small that it is. I think the more critical aspect is whether your

>aldosterone is low.

>I didn't mean to worry you, Dahlia. More that I want to share what

>I've learned on my path, and if I'd known then what I know now, I

>would have been asking a whole different set of questions.

>Keep us posted on how you're doing, Dahlia!!!

>Warmly,

>

Hey !

Well, my 98.4 was short lived. As I write, I think it's 97.3. My pulses

are ranging from mid-70s down to 56 is my low, and no more 40s. I

increased my h.c. to 25 mgs. and also increased my iodine intake.

I think I may have ramped up the Armour too fast.??? Would that account

for the temperature fluctuations? I went from 60 mg Armour to 105, which

probably was too big a jump. I'm cutting that back to 90. Hoping that

steadies things.

That said, I finally am starting to feel really good and even was hungry

for dinner--can't remember the last time I had an appetite. And I managed

10 minutes on the nordic track and 5 on the mini tramp. First time in

over 2 weeks.

My sodium level came back really good, right in the middle of the range,

so I'm not so worried about aldosterone. and thank you for the

reassurance re: addison's. I was a little scared there :-).

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

writes:

>Have you come up with any interesting info or patterns yet? I'm

>looking at the same thing - trying to figure out what the drs are too

>narrow-minded, short-sighted, or just plain disinterested in looking at!

>Have you looked at low progesterone & iodine deficiency?

,

Are you thinking that low prog. and low iodine cause adrenal problems?

very curious too,

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

>>Val, I'm taking 90 mg Armour: what dosing would you recommend? Also,

what schedule for increasing?<<

It seems the worse the adrenals the more small doses of Armour seem to help. On

a 90MG dose I would take 30-30-30 keeping the doses at least 3-4 hours apart.

You can increase by 15MG every week as long as your temps remain stable till you

reach 180MG.

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[Guest guest]

Dahlia,

Are you on the iodine forum? Somebody on there today posted some

info about the fermented veggies being bad for persons with Candida.

Linn

> >Maybe that's it then, Candida. I don't know much about that, have

> >never had any problems with it. Is it possible for it to cause hives?

>

> >Linn

>

> Hi Linn,

> I'm working off 's post from the other day:

> >Funny you should mention hives. I have not had hives in years and

> have

> >developed them on my abdoman. I believe it is due to HC increasing

> yeast

> >activity (my suppositiohn).

>

> My feeling is with Candida, practically is possible!

>

> Dahlia

>

> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dahlia,

Are you on the iodine forum? Somebody on there today posted some

info about the fermented veggies being bad for persons with Candida.

Linn

> >Maybe that's it then, Candida. I don't know much about that, have

> >never had any problems with it. Is it possible for it to cause hives?

>

> >Linn

>

> Hi Linn,

> I'm working off 's post from the other day:

> >Funny you should mention hives. I have not had hives in years and

> have

> >developed them on my abdoman. I believe it is due to HC increasing

> yeast

> >activity (my suppositiohn).

>

> My feeling is with Candida, practically is possible!

>

> Dahlia

>

> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> ,

> Are you thinking that low prog. and low iodine cause adrenal problems?

> very curious too,

> Dahlia

Progesterone is a precursor to cortisol, so low progesterone can cause

problems.

On another forum that I'm on, the practitioner said that he no longer

rx's progesterone directly, but rather starts the patient on iodine.

With iodine, the progesterone self-corrects.

His assumption was that I may have iodine deficiency as well because

not only do I have low progesterone, but when I was dx'd 2 years ago

with hypothyroid, I had a goiter - 2.5 times the size it was supposed

to be.

I am still researching the iodine. And I am going to do hormone

testing with my next menstrual cycle.

So, hopefully I'll have more answers soon.

Warmly,

[Guest guest]

>

> ,

> Are you thinking that low prog. and low iodine cause adrenal problems?

> very curious too,

> Dahlia

Progesterone is a precursor to cortisol, so low progesterone can cause

problems.

On another forum that I'm on, the practitioner said that he no longer

rx's progesterone directly, but rather starts the patient on iodine.

With iodine, the progesterone self-corrects.

His assumption was that I may have iodine deficiency as well because

not only do I have low progesterone, but when I was dx'd 2 years ago

with hypothyroid, I had a goiter - 2.5 times the size it was supposed

to be.

I am still researching the iodine. And I am going to do hormone

testing with my next menstrual cycle.

So, hopefully I'll have more answers soon.

Warmly,

[Guest guest]

Val writes:

>It seems the worse the adrenals the more small doses of Armour seem to

help. On a 90MG dose I would >take 30-30-30 keeping the doses at least

3-4 hours apart. You can increase by 15MG every week as long >as your

temps remain stable till you reach 180MG.

Val,

THANKS!

Dahlia

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Val writes:

>It seems the worse the adrenals the more small doses of Armour seem to

help. On a 90MG dose I would >take 30-30-30 keeping the doses at least

3-4 hours apart. You can increase by 15MG every week as long >as your

temps remain stable till you reach 180MG.

Val,

THANKS!

Dahlia

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---------In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , srapp785@...

wrote:

>

> Hey !

> Well, my 98.4 was short lived. As I write, I think it's 97.3.

Hi, Dahlia,

97.3 isn't fabulous, but I have a 97.something almost every day!

My pulses

> are ranging from mid-70s down to 56 is my low, and no more 40s.

Sounding better all the time! Good for you, Dahlia!

I

> increased my h.c. to 25 mgs. and also increased my iodine intake.

>

> I think I may have ramped up the Armour too fast.???

Possibly, but I would check in with Val on that.

Would that account

> for the temperature fluctuations?

I think the temp fluctuations are indicating the adrenal problem.

I went from 60 mg Armour to 105, which

> probably was too big a jump. I'm cutting that back to 90. Hoping that

> steadies things.

Everyone here says 1/4 grain increases with adrenal fatigue.

>

> That said, I finally am starting to feel really good and even was

hungry

> for dinner--can't remember the last time I had an appetite.

That is a definite improvement, Dahlia. Hopefully the worst is over!

And I managed

> 10 minutes on the nordic track and 5 on the mini tramp. First time in

> over 2 weeks.

>

Is that maybe overdoing it? Don't know for sure...maybe someone else

can comment.

> My sodium level came back really good, right in the middle of the

range,

That's good...did they test potassium too?

Glad you're feeling better, Dahlia! The only way is up!

Hi ,

Yes, I am going to slow down on exercise, cut back Armour increases to

1/4 grain weekly, and really work on my adrenals. My potassium and my

sodium are good--I supplement with both: sea salt + vit C 1-2 times a day

and I take Rx Potassium twice a day--when I check rbc potassium levels,

even with Rx, they are about normal, not high.

Thank you very much for your great help.

Dahlia

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---------In NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS , srapp785@...

wrote:

>

> Hey !

> Well, my 98.4 was short lived. As I write, I think it's 97.3.

Hi, Dahlia,

97.3 isn't fabulous, but I have a 97.something almost every day!

My pulses

> are ranging from mid-70s down to 56 is my low, and no more 40s.

Sounding better all the time! Good for you, Dahlia!

I

> increased my h.c. to 25 mgs. and also increased my iodine intake.

>

> I think I may have ramped up the Armour too fast.???

Possibly, but I would check in with Val on that.

Would that account

> for the temperature fluctuations?

I think the temp fluctuations are indicating the adrenal problem.

I went from 60 mg Armour to 105, which

> probably was too big a jump. I'm cutting that back to 90. Hoping that

> steadies things.

Everyone here says 1/4 grain increases with adrenal fatigue.

>

> That said, I finally am starting to feel really good and even was

hungry

> for dinner--can't remember the last time I had an appetite.

That is a definite improvement, Dahlia. Hopefully the worst is over!

And I managed

> 10 minutes on the nordic track and 5 on the mini tramp. First time in

> over 2 weeks.

>

Is that maybe overdoing it? Don't know for sure...maybe someone else

can comment.

> My sodium level came back really good, right in the middle of the

range,

That's good...did they test potassium too?

Glad you're feeling better, Dahlia! The only way is up!

Hi ,

Yes, I am going to slow down on exercise, cut back Armour increases to

1/4 grain weekly, and really work on my adrenals. My potassium and my

sodium are good--I supplement with both: sea salt + vit C 1-2 times a day

and I take Rx Potassium twice a day--when I check rbc potassium levels,

even with Rx, they are about normal, not high.

Thank you very much for your great help.

Dahlia

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Posted by: " " artisticgroomer@... valharly

Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:12 am (PST)

>Dahlia, I see SO many people try ing to exercise while healing their

>adrenals and I have to warn you, exercise uses ALOT of cortiosl. You

>need to slo it down, you are trying to allow your body to heal and LIGHT

>exercise is the nly thing thta is allowed.Walking is greta but even that

>can be overdone. The fluctuating tamps are tellingh you that your

>adrenals are still over stressed. At 25MG a day I would slow that

>exercise down till your body has had a chance to recover.

Val,

Grrrrrr....I know you are right and the last thing I want to do is

regress, so I will try to increase my daily activities and maybe some

easy walking for another week....??? Are you thinking that more steady

pulse/bp/temps will tell me when my body has recovered?

Dahlia

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Posted by: " " artisticgroomer@... valharly

Tue Nov 14, 2006 2:12 am (PST)

>Dahlia, I see SO many people try ing to exercise while healing their

>adrenals and I have to warn you, exercise uses ALOT of cortiosl. You

>need to slo it down, you are trying to allow your body to heal and LIGHT

>exercise is the nly thing thta is allowed.Walking is greta but even that

>can be overdone. The fluctuating tamps are tellingh you that your

>adrenals are still over stressed. At 25MG a day I would slow that

>exercise down till your body has had a chance to recover.

Val,

Grrrrrr....I know you are right and the last thing I want to do is

regress, so I will try to increase my daily activities and maybe some

easy walking for another week....??? Are you thinking that more steady

pulse/bp/temps will tell me when my body has recovered?

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

Your body will recover quickly once you are able to increase thyroid to

optimal. Then it should be a matter of a couple weeks to a month after

that that you can taper off HC and do it successfully.

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[Guest guest]

Your body will recover quickly once you are able to increase thyroid to

optimal. Then it should be a matter of a couple weeks to a month after

that that you can taper off HC and do it successfully.

--

Artistic Grooming- Hurricane WV

My Ebay Jewelry Store (Closing after Xmas!!!)

http://stores.ebay.com/valeriescrystalcreations

http://www.stopthethyroidmadness.com/

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/NaturalThyroidHormonesADRENALS/

[Guest guest]

Val writes:

>>Your body will recover quickly once you are able to increase thyroid to

>optimal. Then it should be a matter of a couple weeks to a month after

>that that you can taper off HC and do it successfully.

oh happy words! I'm going to tape them on the frig,

with thanks,

Dahlia

[Guest guest]

Val writes:

>>Your body will recover quickly once you are able to increase thyroid to

>optimal. Then it should be a matter of a couple weeks to a month after

>that that you can taper off HC and do it successfully.

oh happy words! I'm going to tape them on the frig,

with thanks,

Dahlia