Guest guest Posted March 27, 2002 Report Share Posted March 27, 2002 I find I am eating more and more foods with soy in them. Awhile back I seem to remember some studies that soy was actually harmful? Does anyone remember those or where to find current information and/or studies pro or con? TIA, Barb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2002 Report Share Posted March 27, 2002 > to remember some studies that soy was actually harmful? Does anyone > remember those or where to find current information and/or studies pro or > con? > > TIA, > Barb Barb, you might start at http://www.mercola.com/2000/apr/9/soy_research_update.htm I'm sure you will find some other references there, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2002 Report Share Posted March 27, 2002 > to remember some studies that soy was actually harmful? Does anyone > remember those or where to find current information and/or studies pro or > con? > > TIA, > Barb Barb, you might start at http://www.mercola.com/2000/apr/9/soy_research_update.htm I'm sure you will find some other references there, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2002 Report Share Posted April 9, 2002 Robin wrote: Soy contains phytoestrogens. These block the estrogens your body produces and the fabricated hormones pumped into foods. Soy is good. All foods containing phytoestogens are good. Do your research and enjoy. It is not that difficult to change your diet. The results are remarkable. ----------------- Robin, could you share with us where you got this info on soy? I'm asking because my understanding is that phytoestrogens do not block our naturally occuring estrogens but rather supplement them. However, the dosage and types of hormones in birth control pills work by shutting off our own hormonal system, but do not block them as such. Also, I have never come across info which led me to believe that any natural product can neutralize the hormones artifically placed in our meat and dairy products. I'd be interested to see the info you read. Thanks. Leonie __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2002 Report Share Posted April 9, 2002 Robin wrote: Soy contains phytoestrogens. These block the estrogens your body produces and the fabricated hormones pumped into foods. Soy is good. All foods containing phytoestogens are good. Do your research and enjoy. It is not that difficult to change your diet. The results are remarkable. ----------------- Robin, could you share with us where you got this info on soy? I'm asking because my understanding is that phytoestrogens do not block our naturally occuring estrogens but rather supplement them. However, the dosage and types of hormones in birth control pills work by shutting off our own hormonal system, but do not block them as such. Also, I have never come across info which led me to believe that any natural product can neutralize the hormones artifically placed in our meat and dairy products. I'd be interested to see the info you read. Thanks. Leonie __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2002 Report Share Posted April 9, 2002 Robin's statements on soy identically match the information I have read from research being done. That indeed the soy isoflavones attach to the estrogen receptors in the tissues and by doing so essentially block the body's own aggressive (estradiol and estrone) estrogen from entering those tissues. The outcome is that the stronger version of estrogen (estradiol) produced by our ovaries, adrenals and the environmental exposure to meats, etc.,is somewhat blocked from being absorbed by uterine and breast tissue and the weaker 'phytoestrogens' in soy isoflavones are instead absorbed by the receptors in those tissues. The weaker version of estrogen found in soy is estriol and it has NOT been found to have the proliferate effect on breast and uterine tissue that the stronger estradiol and estrone types do. In fact, estriol is considered to have protective effects as it has been found to have little or no ability to convert into the destructive estrogen byproducts that create cellular mutation. It is in fact the most abundant of the estrogen types in the body and during pregnancy it soars to extremely high levels (??? again a protective action by our bodies??) which I think is why we feel so great during pregnancy (aside from the heaviness). JUST my opinion as I read and research this topic every day. Fran Donovan, RN, MBA The Law of Dharma Everyone has a purpose in life...a unique or special talent to give to others. And when we blend this unique talent with service to others, we experience the ecstasy and exultation of our own spirit, which is the ultimate goal of all goals. RE:Soy Robin wrote: Soy contains phytoestrogens. These block the estrogens your body produces and the fabricated hormones pumped into foods. Soy is good. All foods containing phytoestogens are good. Do your research and enjoy. It is not that difficult to change your diet. The results are remarkable. ----------------- Robin, could you share with us where you got this info on soy? I'm asking because my understanding is that phytoestrogens do not block our naturally occuring estrogens but rather supplement them. However, the dosage and types of hormones in birth control pills work by shutting off our own hormonal system, but do not block them as such. Also, I have never come across info which led me to believe that any natural product can neutralize the hormones artifically placed in our meat and dairy products. I'd be interested to see the info you read. Thanks. Leonie ____________________________________________________________ ______ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2002 Report Share Posted April 9, 2002 Robin's statements on soy identically match the information I have read from research being done. That indeed the soy isoflavones attach to the estrogen receptors in the tissues and by doing so essentially block the body's own aggressive (estradiol and estrone) estrogen from entering those tissues. The outcome is that the stronger version of estrogen (estradiol) produced by our ovaries, adrenals and the environmental exposure to meats, etc.,is somewhat blocked from being absorbed by uterine and breast tissue and the weaker 'phytoestrogens' in soy isoflavones are instead absorbed by the receptors in those tissues. The weaker version of estrogen found in soy is estriol and it has NOT been found to have the proliferate effect on breast and uterine tissue that the stronger estradiol and estrone types do. In fact, estriol is considered to have protective effects as it has been found to have little or no ability to convert into the destructive estrogen byproducts that create cellular mutation. It is in fact the most abundant of the estrogen types in the body and during pregnancy it soars to extremely high levels (??? again a protective action by our bodies??) which I think is why we feel so great during pregnancy (aside from the heaviness). JUST my opinion as I read and research this topic every day. Fran Donovan, RN, MBA The Law of Dharma Everyone has a purpose in life...a unique or special talent to give to others. And when we blend this unique talent with service to others, we experience the ecstasy and exultation of our own spirit, which is the ultimate goal of all goals. RE:Soy Robin wrote: Soy contains phytoestrogens. These block the estrogens your body produces and the fabricated hormones pumped into foods. Soy is good. All foods containing phytoestogens are good. Do your research and enjoy. It is not that difficult to change your diet. The results are remarkable. ----------------- Robin, could you share with us where you got this info on soy? I'm asking because my understanding is that phytoestrogens do not block our naturally occuring estrogens but rather supplement them. However, the dosage and types of hormones in birth control pills work by shutting off our own hormonal system, but do not block them as such. Also, I have never come across info which led me to believe that any natural product can neutralize the hormones artifically placed in our meat and dairy products. I'd be interested to see the info you read. Thanks. Leonie ____________________________________________________________ ______ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2002 Report Share Posted April 9, 2002 leonie, There is no substance known that would block the chemical hormones they pump into our foods. if there was we wouldn;t be in this mess. Phytoestrogens research in 'Shillings' book on 'Fibroids " . Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2002 Report Share Posted April 9, 2002 leonie, There is no substance known that would block the chemical hormones they pump into our foods. if there was we wouldn;t be in this mess. Phytoestrogens research in 'Shillings' book on 'Fibroids " . Robin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2002 Report Share Posted April 10, 2002 Hi, Fran, Most of my reading on phytoestrogens has been in connection with declining estrogen in perimenopausal women. I do know that phytoestrogens use the same estrogen receptors as our own estrogens. I myself use black cohosh to help deal with perimenopausal symptoms related to declining estrogen. Actually, reading and thinking about your post brought up a number of questions regarding phytoestrogens that I'd never considered before, such as, if a young woman has the usual levels of estrogen for a younger woman, rather than the lower amount found in a peri- or menopausal woman, are phytoestrogens and our estrogen competing for the same receptor sites? What dictates which estrogen gets the receptor? Have studies been done showing the change in the various estrogen levels (estriol, estradiol and estrone) in young women when phytoestrogens are added to the mix? I would think that would be the definitive means of measuring the effectiveness of phytoestrogens in protecting us from the stronger estrogens. One thing that has been shown is that estriol and phytoestrogens are not, unfortunately, strong enough to protect us from osteoporosis post-meno. I'm wondering if a woman could be placed at risk for osteo at a younger age if she took in large amounts of phytoestrogens and they did in fact prevent enough of the stronger estrogens from attaching to receptors. In talking about the weak and strong estrogens as good and bad, I think we run the risk of ignoring that we developed with all 3 types of estrogen, therefore, there must be a need for all 3 types. On the other hand, my personal belief about the function of menopause is that it is protective, as I agree with you that the more years we are exposed to the stronger estrogens, the greater the chance of malignant cell changes. So perhaps the way we've developed -- varying levels of the 3 estrogens throughout our reproductive years, necessary for successful childbearing, and then a decline with basically estriol remaining -- is nature's compromise to enable us to bear children and then remain around long enough to raise them. Can you refer me to the research you mention where it shows that phytoestrogens can protect us from the artificial hormones in our meat and diary products? Never having come across this myself, I am particularly interested in this. Regarding estriol's protective effect on breast tissue, I know that this was the accepted view, but more recently, research has been done which negated this view. I'll try to find the links to this if you're interested. You speculate that high levels of estriol may account for women's feeling of well-being during pregnancy. I had understood that it was the high levels of progesterone and its calming effect that account for this. Best, Leonie Fran wrote: Robin's statements on soy identically match the information I have read from research being done. That indeed the soy isoflavones attach to the estrogen receptors in the tissues and by doing so essentially block the body's own aggressive (estradiol and estrone) estrogen from entering those tissues. The outcome is that the stronger version of estrogen (estradiol) produced by our ovaries, adrenals and the environmental exposure to meats, etc.,is somewhat blocked from being absorbed by uterine and breast tissue and the weaker 'phytoestrogens' in soy isoflavones are instead absorbed by the receptors in those tissues. The weaker version of estrogen found in soy is estriol and it has NOT been found to have the proliferate effect on breast and uterine tissue that the stronger estradiol and estrone types do. In fact, estriol is considered to have protective effects as it has been found to have little or no ability to convert into the destructive estrogen byproducts that create cellular mutation. It is in fact the most abundant of the estrogen types in the body and during pregnancy it soars to extremely high levels (??? again a protective action by our bodies??) which I think is why we feel so great during pregnancy (aside from the heaviness). __________________________________________________________________ Your favorite stores, helpful shopping tools and great gift ideas. Experience the convenience of buying online with Shop@Netscape! http://shopnow.netscape.com/ Get your own FREE, personal Netscape Mail account today at http://webmail.netscape.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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