Re: The Idiot Doctor Chronicles: Another One Bites the Dust!

[Guest guest]

Ahhh, you got the hook and pitch! Very common here in south Florida.

First they give you a little taste of what YOU want...then they gain credibility

in your eyes.

Then they hit you up for what THEY want and prey upon your desperation using

your increased hopefulness (after the first positive appointment) to close the

sale!

Very common in sales...I should know.

, please consider giving up on doctors. I know people say there are good

ones, but really...they are so few and far between and time's awasting and you

know what to do...??? Am I barking up the wrong tree here? If I am, please

remember that I just care about you and want you to get well.

angesc2001 wrote: In our last episode, was

seen visiting the DO, who at first

seemed too good to be true, especially after giving her a rather large

supply of HC.

Tune in today when says, " ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!! Another

doctor visit down the crapper!!! "

OK, so here's the scoop...

Two weeks ago, I saw a new DO who appeared to have some promise,

because he immediately gave me HC, and said he would have treated me

in June when my saliva tests were scraping along the bottom of normal.

There were a couple of things that concerned me, like the

gymnasium-sized chelation center, but I chose to withhold judgment,

because he talked about all of the right things...HC, rxs Naturethroid

& Armour, believes autoimmunity can be reversed, iodine deficiency,

stealth infections, etc. Also talked about heavy metal toxicity & IV

chelation therapy, but it seems as if that was the last option out of

all of the rest.

Today I go in for my follow-up appt, and he asks how I am. I tell him

that I'm amazingly better with the HC, but that I still have a couple

of pesky little symptoms, like lower leg edema when I'm on the lower

amounts of HC as the day progresses, that I can actually feel my

thyroid " puffing up " after 4pm (when the 3rd HC dose wears down), that

I still wake up with racing heart/palps about an hour after I go to

sleep, and that I have the internal " buzzing " whenever my HC dosing is

wearing thin.

So, he responds that the swelling thyroid indicates that there must

still be an autoimmune response.

I said, hmmmm, I thought it was that when the cortisol wears off, it

appears my thyroid is still " alive " & not suppressed, and so it starts

trying with all it has to pump out more thyroid hormone.

He said that the edema is from TOO MUCH HC. Don't know about

that...maybe true, or it could be from TOO LITTLE, since it only

happens after the largest AM dose wears off.

When I told him that I got " hyper " (as in hyperthyroid) on the

progesterone, he kind of brushed over what I said.

Because...

He tied all of these things together nicely with a symptom list for

mercury toxicity, and told me that my next step should be...IV

chelation therapy!

OK, I know nothing about chelation & metal toxicity, but I do know

this...even if it is a problem for me, it is NOT the most critical at

this moment. Friendly reminder of my most critical issues...

1) serious adrenal fatigue

2) major progesterone deficiency, most likely contributing to both 1 &

3, and also contributing to extreme menstrual flow (not to be confused

with the more enjoyable Extreme Homes or extreme sports!)

3) hypothyroidism

When I said that I'd read [here, but I didn't say that] that chelation

can be very hard on the adrenals and that perhaps I ought to stabilize

the adrenals first, he said that he didn't think that I'd be able to

balance the adrenals WITHOUT ridding my body of heavy metals.

ARRRRRRGH!!!

What about iodine deficiency? What about stealth infections? What

about potential genetic adrenal and/or HPA axis defects, since my kids

are having problems, and I've recently found out that several others

in my large extended family have had adrenal problems (in addition to

the fact that my dad gets the brown panda eyes when stressed or tired,

just that he has the luxury of not having to deal with perimenopause,

even though there is no one more deserving of going through it!)

So, I purchased my 3-month supply of Naturethroid and went on my

not-so-merry way.

I will close this rant with a prayer...

Dear Lord, if you are willing & able, PLEASE give me a sign that there

is at least one doctor in the Great State of Ohio who will not

overwhelm me with their ideology, be it big brother pharma,

megavitamin therapy, heavy metal toxicity, or whatever crap du jour

they come up with to extract my credit card number from me and

relegate me to years of paying interest since I am not working due to

my illness & since I am not independently wealthy, but who will care

for me in a systematic & holistic manner to investigate and determine

the nature and root cause of my illness. Lord, hear my prayer!

AMEN!

Comments, as always, are more than welcomed.

This concludes this episode of The Idiot Doctor Chronicles.

Warmly,

[Guest guest]

Ahhh, you got the hook and pitch! Very common here in south Florida.

First they give you a little taste of what YOU want...then they gain credibility

in your eyes.

Then they hit you up for what THEY want and prey upon your desperation using

your increased hopefulness (after the first positive appointment) to close the

sale!

Very common in sales...I should know.

, please consider giving up on doctors. I know people say there are good

ones, but really...they are so few and far between and time's awasting and you

know what to do...??? Am I barking up the wrong tree here? If I am, please

remember that I just care about you and want you to get well.

angesc2001 wrote: In our last episode, was

seen visiting the DO, who at first

seemed too good to be true, especially after giving her a rather large

supply of HC.

Tune in today when says, " ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!! Another

doctor visit down the crapper!!! "

OK, so here's the scoop...

Two weeks ago, I saw a new DO who appeared to have some promise,

because he immediately gave me HC, and said he would have treated me

in June when my saliva tests were scraping along the bottom of normal.

There were a couple of things that concerned me, like the

gymnasium-sized chelation center, but I chose to withhold judgment,

because he talked about all of the right things...HC, rxs Naturethroid

& Armour, believes autoimmunity can be reversed, iodine deficiency,

stealth infections, etc. Also talked about heavy metal toxicity & IV

chelation therapy, but it seems as if that was the last option out of

all of the rest.

Today I go in for my follow-up appt, and he asks how I am. I tell him

that I'm amazingly better with the HC, but that I still have a couple

of pesky little symptoms, like lower leg edema when I'm on the lower

amounts of HC as the day progresses, that I can actually feel my

thyroid " puffing up " after 4pm (when the 3rd HC dose wears down), that

I still wake up with racing heart/palps about an hour after I go to

sleep, and that I have the internal " buzzing " whenever my HC dosing is

wearing thin.

So, he responds that the swelling thyroid indicates that there must

still be an autoimmune response.

I said, hmmmm, I thought it was that when the cortisol wears off, it

appears my thyroid is still " alive " & not suppressed, and so it starts

trying with all it has to pump out more thyroid hormone.

He said that the edema is from TOO MUCH HC. Don't know about

that...maybe true, or it could be from TOO LITTLE, since it only

happens after the largest AM dose wears off.

When I told him that I got " hyper " (as in hyperthyroid) on the

progesterone, he kind of brushed over what I said.

Because...

He tied all of these things together nicely with a symptom list for

mercury toxicity, and told me that my next step should be...IV

chelation therapy!

OK, I know nothing about chelation & metal toxicity, but I do know

this...even if it is a problem for me, it is NOT the most critical at

this moment. Friendly reminder of my most critical issues...

1) serious adrenal fatigue

2) major progesterone deficiency, most likely contributing to both 1 &

3, and also contributing to extreme menstrual flow (not to be confused

with the more enjoyable Extreme Homes or extreme sports!)

3) hypothyroidism

When I said that I'd read [here, but I didn't say that] that chelation

can be very hard on the adrenals and that perhaps I ought to stabilize

the adrenals first, he said that he didn't think that I'd be able to

balance the adrenals WITHOUT ridding my body of heavy metals.

ARRRRRRGH!!!

What about iodine deficiency? What about stealth infections? What

about potential genetic adrenal and/or HPA axis defects, since my kids

are having problems, and I've recently found out that several others

in my large extended family have had adrenal problems (in addition to

the fact that my dad gets the brown panda eyes when stressed or tired,

just that he has the luxury of not having to deal with perimenopause,

even though there is no one more deserving of going through it!)

So, I purchased my 3-month supply of Naturethroid and went on my

not-so-merry way.

I will close this rant with a prayer...

Dear Lord, if you are willing & able, PLEASE give me a sign that there

is at least one doctor in the Great State of Ohio who will not

overwhelm me with their ideology, be it big brother pharma,

megavitamin therapy, heavy metal toxicity, or whatever crap du jour

they come up with to extract my credit card number from me and

relegate me to years of paying interest since I am not working due to

my illness & since I am not independently wealthy, but who will care

for me in a systematic & holistic manner to investigate and determine

the nature and root cause of my illness. Lord, hear my prayer!

AMEN!

Comments, as always, are more than welcomed.

This concludes this episode of The Idiot Doctor Chronicles.

Warmly,

[Guest guest]

Ahhh, you got the hook and pitch! Very common here in south Florida.

First they give you a little taste of what YOU want...then they gain credibility

in your eyes.

Then they hit you up for what THEY want and prey upon your desperation using

your increased hopefulness (after the first positive appointment) to close the

sale!

Very common in sales...I should know.

, please consider giving up on doctors. I know people say there are good

ones, but really...they are so few and far between and time's awasting and you

know what to do...??? Am I barking up the wrong tree here? If I am, please

remember that I just care about you and want you to get well.

angesc2001 wrote: In our last episode, was

seen visiting the DO, who at first

seemed too good to be true, especially after giving her a rather large

supply of HC.

Tune in today when says, " ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!! Another

doctor visit down the crapper!!! "

OK, so here's the scoop...

Two weeks ago, I saw a new DO who appeared to have some promise,

because he immediately gave me HC, and said he would have treated me

in June when my saliva tests were scraping along the bottom of normal.

There were a couple of things that concerned me, like the

gymnasium-sized chelation center, but I chose to withhold judgment,

because he talked about all of the right things...HC, rxs Naturethroid

& Armour, believes autoimmunity can be reversed, iodine deficiency,

stealth infections, etc. Also talked about heavy metal toxicity & IV

chelation therapy, but it seems as if that was the last option out of

all of the rest.

Today I go in for my follow-up appt, and he asks how I am. I tell him

that I'm amazingly better with the HC, but that I still have a couple

of pesky little symptoms, like lower leg edema when I'm on the lower

amounts of HC as the day progresses, that I can actually feel my

thyroid " puffing up " after 4pm (when the 3rd HC dose wears down), that

I still wake up with racing heart/palps about an hour after I go to

sleep, and that I have the internal " buzzing " whenever my HC dosing is

wearing thin.

So, he responds that the swelling thyroid indicates that there must

still be an autoimmune response.

I said, hmmmm, I thought it was that when the cortisol wears off, it

appears my thyroid is still " alive " & not suppressed, and so it starts

trying with all it has to pump out more thyroid hormone.

He said that the edema is from TOO MUCH HC. Don't know about

that...maybe true, or it could be from TOO LITTLE, since it only

happens after the largest AM dose wears off.

When I told him that I got " hyper " (as in hyperthyroid) on the

progesterone, he kind of brushed over what I said.

Because...

He tied all of these things together nicely with a symptom list for

mercury toxicity, and told me that my next step should be...IV

chelation therapy!

OK, I know nothing about chelation & metal toxicity, but I do know

this...even if it is a problem for me, it is NOT the most critical at

this moment. Friendly reminder of my most critical issues...

1) serious adrenal fatigue

2) major progesterone deficiency, most likely contributing to both 1 &

3, and also contributing to extreme menstrual flow (not to be confused

with the more enjoyable Extreme Homes or extreme sports!)

3) hypothyroidism

When I said that I'd read [here, but I didn't say that] that chelation

can be very hard on the adrenals and that perhaps I ought to stabilize

the adrenals first, he said that he didn't think that I'd be able to

balance the adrenals WITHOUT ridding my body of heavy metals.

ARRRRRRGH!!!

What about iodine deficiency? What about stealth infections? What

about potential genetic adrenal and/or HPA axis defects, since my kids

are having problems, and I've recently found out that several others

in my large extended family have had adrenal problems (in addition to

the fact that my dad gets the brown panda eyes when stressed or tired,

just that he has the luxury of not having to deal with perimenopause,

even though there is no one more deserving of going through it!)

So, I purchased my 3-month supply of Naturethroid and went on my

not-so-merry way.

I will close this rant with a prayer...

Dear Lord, if you are willing & able, PLEASE give me a sign that there

is at least one doctor in the Great State of Ohio who will not

overwhelm me with their ideology, be it big brother pharma,

megavitamin therapy, heavy metal toxicity, or whatever crap du jour

they come up with to extract my credit card number from me and

relegate me to years of paying interest since I am not working due to

my illness & since I am not independently wealthy, but who will care

for me in a systematic & holistic manner to investigate and determine

the nature and root cause of my illness. Lord, hear my prayer!

AMEN!

Comments, as always, are more than welcomed.

This concludes this episode of The Idiot Doctor Chronicles.

Warmly,

[Guest guest]

>

> Ahhh, you got the hook and pitch! Very common here in south Florida.

>

> First they give you a little taste of what YOU want...then they gain

credibility in your eyes.

>

> Then they hit you up for what THEY want and prey upon your

desperation using your increased hopefulness (after the first positive

appointment) to close the sale!

>

> Very common in sales...I should know.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING...THIS IS A SALES PITCH. Even

though he got this glazed over look as he talked about the evils of

mercury toxicity...I think he really believes it, but I DON'T think it

will stop the profuse bleeding next time I get my period!!!

What was strange is that at the first appt, he said to come back in 2

weeks. This time he said nothing. That was weird to me, especially

since he is so eager to " get to the root of the problem. "

>

> , please consider giving up on doctors. I know people say

there are good ones, but really...they are so few and far between and

time's awasting and you know what to do...??? Am I barking up the

wrong tree here? If I am, please remember that I just care about you

and want you to get well.

>

No, you're not barking up the wrong tree, and I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR

KINDNESS & CARING!!! Just last night a placed an order for a hefty

supply of HC so that I don't need to rely on anyone, and I only bought

the N-throid there was because I wanted to augment my current supply!

The reason I still want to TRY to find a good dr is that there are a

couple of tests that I think I need that I can't get via saliva/Dr.

or healthcheck. And, I KNOW that my husband won't agree to me

treating my daughter. I had high hopes that maybe this dr would be

able to look at what's going on in our family. Sorry, but I don't

think it's exposure to toxic metals in our environment.

OK, so maybe I'll slow the pace on looking. And I think I'll take my

own advice (that I dispense to others here) and start taking whatever

I need from the drs I do see.

For example, the last QUACK got me an URGENT appointment in the end of

January with an endo at Ohio State for a thyroid ultrasound, since I

have a visible goiter and/or nodule again & anti-thyroglobulin

antibodies, which I didn't know are a marker for thyca.

(BTW...my mom had a cancerous nodule removed and the dr said it

" burned itself out " & that he'd never seen anything like it & even did

a seminar at a conference on it...antibodies at work?)

My friend sees the OSU endo, so at least I know she's nice, but you

know it's going to be the same old, same old with synthroid!

But I was thinking, get the damn ultrasound and be done with it. And

in fact, I was thinking that I'm also going to tell her all about my

adrenal issues and demand an adrenal u/s or CT scan or MRI or whatever

they do. I want to determine if my adrenals are normal in size &

scope. She can do whatever bloodwork too for antibodies, etc.

Of course I'm sure she'll tell me to go off N-throid and on synthroid.

And I will politely tell her that I won't be doing that, and that I

would, however appreciate if she would run the necessary tests to rule

out X, Y & Z. And anything else she can think of.

Then next week when I see my OB, I'm going to TELL her that I'm going

to be doing the 11-vial saliva test, and that I'll let her know the

results & we can decide how to proceed with bio-id hormone replacement

after that.

And on Friday, when I see the ped endo for my daughter, I'll be

telling him more of the same, because I'm not going to have my

daughter be someone's f*@king science project!

Enough of this Mrs. Niceguy bullshit. I'm pissed & I'm tired of all

of their ideologies. It's time for them to improve their damn

customer service.

Just in case anyone forgot...I'm the customer!

Warmly,

[Guest guest]

>

> Ahhh, you got the hook and pitch! Very common here in south Florida.

>

> First they give you a little taste of what YOU want...then they gain

credibility in your eyes.

>

> Then they hit you up for what THEY want and prey upon your

desperation using your increased hopefulness (after the first positive

appointment) to close the sale!

>

> Very common in sales...I should know.

THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT I WAS THINKING...THIS IS A SALES PITCH. Even

though he got this glazed over look as he talked about the evils of

mercury toxicity...I think he really believes it, but I DON'T think it

will stop the profuse bleeding next time I get my period!!!

What was strange is that at the first appt, he said to come back in 2

weeks. This time he said nothing. That was weird to me, especially

since he is so eager to " get to the root of the problem. "

>

> , please consider giving up on doctors. I know people say

there are good ones, but really...they are so few and far between and

time's awasting and you know what to do...??? Am I barking up the

wrong tree here? If I am, please remember that I just care about you

and want you to get well.

>

No, you're not barking up the wrong tree, and I REALLY APPRECIATE YOUR

KINDNESS & CARING!!! Just last night a placed an order for a hefty

supply of HC so that I don't need to rely on anyone, and I only bought

the N-throid there was because I wanted to augment my current supply!

The reason I still want to TRY to find a good dr is that there are a

couple of tests that I think I need that I can't get via saliva/Dr.

or healthcheck. And, I KNOW that my husband won't agree to me

treating my daughter. I had high hopes that maybe this dr would be

able to look at what's going on in our family. Sorry, but I don't

think it's exposure to toxic metals in our environment.

OK, so maybe I'll slow the pace on looking. And I think I'll take my

own advice (that I dispense to others here) and start taking whatever

I need from the drs I do see.

For example, the last QUACK got me an URGENT appointment in the end of

January with an endo at Ohio State for a thyroid ultrasound, since I

have a visible goiter and/or nodule again & anti-thyroglobulin

antibodies, which I didn't know are a marker for thyca.

(BTW...my mom had a cancerous nodule removed and the dr said it

" burned itself out " & that he'd never seen anything like it & even did

a seminar at a conference on it...antibodies at work?)

My friend sees the OSU endo, so at least I know she's nice, but you

know it's going to be the same old, same old with synthroid!

But I was thinking, get the damn ultrasound and be done with it. And

in fact, I was thinking that I'm also going to tell her all about my

adrenal issues and demand an adrenal u/s or CT scan or MRI or whatever

they do. I want to determine if my adrenals are normal in size &

scope. She can do whatever bloodwork too for antibodies, etc.

Of course I'm sure she'll tell me to go off N-throid and on synthroid.

And I will politely tell her that I won't be doing that, and that I

would, however appreciate if she would run the necessary tests to rule

out X, Y & Z. And anything else she can think of.

Then next week when I see my OB, I'm going to TELL her that I'm going

to be doing the 11-vial saliva test, and that I'll let her know the

results & we can decide how to proceed with bio-id hormone replacement

after that.

And on Friday, when I see the ped endo for my daughter, I'll be

telling him more of the same, because I'm not going to have my

daughter be someone's f*@king science project!

Enough of this Mrs. Niceguy bullshit. I'm pissed & I'm tired of all

of their ideologies. It's time for them to improve their damn

customer service.

Just in case anyone forgot...I'm the customer!

Warmly,

[Guest guest]

>

>

> Good luck , and may your prayer be answered!

> Nobody should have to go through this over and over

> and over.

>

>

>

>

Thanks, !

I think I will have a consult with Pete. I am also working with Dr.

, who has a great approach - that all of my drs are my

consultants. I take in the info & then I make my decision based on

what works for me. For the price, Pete sounds like a great consultant

to add to my staff! Especially if he can refer to a good dr.

Warmly,

[Guest guest]

,

Actually IV chelation therapy is the real deal. It is extremely

useful for several types of illnesses, specifically heart disease, it

actually has much better odds than surgical procedures. It is also

very useful for mercury and other toxic chemical that we are all

exposed to. That being said, it is also very expensive. Would I do

it in lieu of a heart procedure? In a New York second. However I

don't think I would rush into doing it for chemical toxicity before

first finding out a lot of other things. It is definitely not a

quack procedure. It's actually not very easy to find doctors who do

this, they are usually fairly discreet about it.

Linn

> Ahhh, you got the hook and pitch! Very common here in south Florida.

>

> First they give you a little taste of what YOU want...then they

> gain credibility in your eyes.

>

> Then they hit you up for what THEY want and prey upon your

> desperation using your increased hopefulness (after the first

> positive appointment) to close the sale!

>

> Very common in sales...I should know.

>

> , please consider giving up on doctors. I know people say

> there are good ones, but really...they are so few and far between

> and time's awasting and you know what to do...??? Am I barking up

> the wrong tree here? If I am, please remember that I just care

> about you and want you to get well.

>

>

>

> angesc2001 wrote: In our last episode,

> was seen visiting the DO, who at first

> seemed too good to be true, especially after giving her a rather large

> supply of HC.

>

> Tune in today when says, " ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!! Another

> doctor visit down the crapper!!! "

>

> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Actually IV chelation therapy is the real deal. It is extremely

useful for several types of illnesses, specifically heart disease, it

actually has much better odds than surgical procedures. It is also

very useful for mercury and other toxic chemical that we are all

exposed to. That being said, it is also very expensive. Would I do

it in lieu of a heart procedure? In a New York second. However I

don't think I would rush into doing it for chemical toxicity before

first finding out a lot of other things. It is definitely not a

quack procedure. It's actually not very easy to find doctors who do

this, they are usually fairly discreet about it.

Linn

> Ahhh, you got the hook and pitch! Very common here in south Florida.

>

> First they give you a little taste of what YOU want...then they

> gain credibility in your eyes.

>

> Then they hit you up for what THEY want and prey upon your

> desperation using your increased hopefulness (after the first

> positive appointment) to close the sale!

>

> Very common in sales...I should know.

>

> , please consider giving up on doctors. I know people say

> there are good ones, but really...they are so few and far between

> and time's awasting and you know what to do...??? Am I barking up

> the wrong tree here? If I am, please remember that I just care

> about you and want you to get well.

>

>

>

> angesc2001 wrote: In our last episode,

> was seen visiting the DO, who at first

> seemed too good to be true, especially after giving her a rather large

> supply of HC.

>

> Tune in today when says, " ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!! Another

> doctor visit down the crapper!!! "

>

> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

Actually IV chelation therapy is the real deal. It is extremely

useful for several types of illnesses, specifically heart disease, it

actually has much better odds than surgical procedures. It is also

very useful for mercury and other toxic chemical that we are all

exposed to. That being said, it is also very expensive. Would I do

it in lieu of a heart procedure? In a New York second. However I

don't think I would rush into doing it for chemical toxicity before

first finding out a lot of other things. It is definitely not a

quack procedure. It's actually not very easy to find doctors who do

this, they are usually fairly discreet about it.

Linn

> Ahhh, you got the hook and pitch! Very common here in south Florida.

>

> First they give you a little taste of what YOU want...then they

> gain credibility in your eyes.

>

> Then they hit you up for what THEY want and prey upon your

> desperation using your increased hopefulness (after the first

> positive appointment) to close the sale!

>

> Very common in sales...I should know.

>

> , please consider giving up on doctors. I know people say

> there are good ones, but really...they are so few and far between

> and time's awasting and you know what to do...??? Am I barking up

> the wrong tree here? If I am, please remember that I just care

> about you and want you to get well.

>

>

>

> angesc2001 wrote: In our last episode,

> was seen visiting the DO, who at first

> seemed too good to be true, especially after giving her a rather large

> supply of HC.

>

> Tune in today when says, " ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!! Another

> doctor visit down the crapper!!! "

>

> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

That is you're the PAYING customer!

Hotly,

P.S. Have you thought about finding a nice, OLDER D.O. to treat you and your

daughter? I found one a ways away, but with a little coaxing, a gift at

Christmas and a joke when he walks in the room, he actually thinks I'm fun to

work with and pretty much will go along with me to a point. His office staff is

another matter. I actually walked out on one she was THAT rude. But then

again, I've had it up to here with being treated like a sub-human in doctors'

offices.

Love ya!

angesc2001 wrote:

Enough of this Mrs. Niceguy bullshit. I'm pissed & I'm tired of all

of their ideologies. It's time for them to improve their damn

customer service.

Just in case anyone forgot...I'm the customer!

Warmly,

---------------------------------

Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.

[Guest guest]

That is you're the PAYING customer!

Hotly,

P.S. Have you thought about finding a nice, OLDER D.O. to treat you and your

daughter? I found one a ways away, but with a little coaxing, a gift at

Christmas and a joke when he walks in the room, he actually thinks I'm fun to

work with and pretty much will go along with me to a point. His office staff is

another matter. I actually walked out on one she was THAT rude. But then

again, I've had it up to here with being treated like a sub-human in doctors'

offices.

Love ya!

angesc2001 wrote:

Enough of this Mrs. Niceguy bullshit. I'm pissed & I'm tired of all

of their ideologies. It's time for them to improve their damn

customer service.

Just in case anyone forgot...I'm the customer!

Warmly,

---------------------------------

Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.

[Guest guest]

That is you're the PAYING customer!

Hotly,

P.S. Have you thought about finding a nice, OLDER D.O. to treat you and your

daughter? I found one a ways away, but with a little coaxing, a gift at

Christmas and a joke when he walks in the room, he actually thinks I'm fun to

work with and pretty much will go along with me to a point. His office staff is

another matter. I actually walked out on one she was THAT rude. But then

again, I've had it up to here with being treated like a sub-human in doctors'

offices.

Love ya!

angesc2001 wrote:

Enough of this Mrs. Niceguy bullshit. I'm pissed & I'm tired of all

of their ideologies. It's time for them to improve their damn

customer service.

Just in case anyone forgot...I'm the customer!

Warmly,

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[Guest guest]

Linn,

Here in south FL where we have lots of retirees, there are lots of chelation

centers with hard-sell approaches. It's very out in the open here.

I agree that there is definitely a lot to be said for chelation, but I don't

think it is what should be addressed first if cardiac issues are not the primary

reason for your visit to the doctor. It is hard on the body.

I just went through trying to find a way to chelate mercury and lead from my

system. The substances they use for IV chelation is something my poor bladder

would not tolerate and so that's why I went the route of the Natural Cellular

Defense. It was amazing how they practically cornered my hubby giving grave

warnings for my future survival!

Linn wrote: ,

Actually IV chelation therapy is the real deal. It is extremely

useful for several types of illnesses, specifically heart disease, it

actually has much better odds than surgical procedures. It is also

very useful for mercury and other toxic chemical that we are all

exposed to. That being said, it is also very expensive. Would I do

it in lieu of a heart procedure? In a New York second. However I

don't think I would rush into doing it for chemical toxicity before

first finding out a lot of other things. It is definitely not a

quack procedure. It's actually not very easy to find doctors who do

this, they are usually fairly discreet about it.

Linn

> Ahhh, you got the hook and pitch! Very common here in south Florida.

>

> First they give you a little taste of what YOU want...then they

> gain credibility in your eyes.

>

> Then they hit you up for what THEY want and prey upon your

> desperation using your increased hopefulness (after the first

> positive appointment) to close the sale!

>

> Very common in sales...I should know.

>

> , please consider giving up on doctors. I know people say

> there are good ones, but really...they are so few and far between

> and time's awasting and you know what to do...??? Am I barking up

> the wrong tree here? If I am, please remember that I just care

> about you and want you to get well.

>

>

>

> angesc2001 wrote: In our last episode,

> was seen visiting the DO, who at first

> seemed too good to be true, especially after giving her a rather large

> supply of HC.

>

> Tune in today when says, " ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!! Another

> doctor visit down the crapper!!! "

>

> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

Linn,

Here in south FL where we have lots of retirees, there are lots of chelation

centers with hard-sell approaches. It's very out in the open here.

I agree that there is definitely a lot to be said for chelation, but I don't

think it is what should be addressed first if cardiac issues are not the primary

reason for your visit to the doctor. It is hard on the body.

I just went through trying to find a way to chelate mercury and lead from my

system. The substances they use for IV chelation is something my poor bladder

would not tolerate and so that's why I went the route of the Natural Cellular

Defense. It was amazing how they practically cornered my hubby giving grave

warnings for my future survival!

Linn wrote: ,

Actually IV chelation therapy is the real deal. It is extremely

useful for several types of illnesses, specifically heart disease, it

actually has much better odds than surgical procedures. It is also

very useful for mercury and other toxic chemical that we are all

exposed to. That being said, it is also very expensive. Would I do

it in lieu of a heart procedure? In a New York second. However I

don't think I would rush into doing it for chemical toxicity before

first finding out a lot of other things. It is definitely not a

quack procedure. It's actually not very easy to find doctors who do

this, they are usually fairly discreet about it.

Linn

> Ahhh, you got the hook and pitch! Very common here in south Florida.

>

> First they give you a little taste of what YOU want...then they

> gain credibility in your eyes.

>

> Then they hit you up for what THEY want and prey upon your

> desperation using your increased hopefulness (after the first

> positive appointment) to close the sale!

>

> Very common in sales...I should know.

>

> , please consider giving up on doctors. I know people say

> there are good ones, but really...they are so few and far between

> and time's awasting and you know what to do...??? Am I barking up

> the wrong tree here? If I am, please remember that I just care

> about you and want you to get well.

>

>

>

> angesc2001 wrote: In our last episode,

> was seen visiting the DO, who at first

> seemed too good to be true, especially after giving her a rather large

> supply of HC.

>

> Tune in today when says, " ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!! Another

> doctor visit down the crapper!!! "

>

> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

Linn,

Here in south FL where we have lots of retirees, there are lots of chelation

centers with hard-sell approaches. It's very out in the open here.

I agree that there is definitely a lot to be said for chelation, but I don't

think it is what should be addressed first if cardiac issues are not the primary

reason for your visit to the doctor. It is hard on the body.

I just went through trying to find a way to chelate mercury and lead from my

system. The substances they use for IV chelation is something my poor bladder

would not tolerate and so that's why I went the route of the Natural Cellular

Defense. It was amazing how they practically cornered my hubby giving grave

warnings for my future survival!

Linn wrote: ,

Actually IV chelation therapy is the real deal. It is extremely

useful for several types of illnesses, specifically heart disease, it

actually has much better odds than surgical procedures. It is also

very useful for mercury and other toxic chemical that we are all

exposed to. That being said, it is also very expensive. Would I do

it in lieu of a heart procedure? In a New York second. However I

don't think I would rush into doing it for chemical toxicity before

first finding out a lot of other things. It is definitely not a

quack procedure. It's actually not very easy to find doctors who do

this, they are usually fairly discreet about it.

Linn

> Ahhh, you got the hook and pitch! Very common here in south Florida.

>

> First they give you a little taste of what YOU want...then they

> gain credibility in your eyes.

>

> Then they hit you up for what THEY want and prey upon your

> desperation using your increased hopefulness (after the first

> positive appointment) to close the sale!

>

> Very common in sales...I should know.

>

> , please consider giving up on doctors. I know people say

> there are good ones, but really...they are so few and far between

> and time's awasting and you know what to do...??? Am I barking up

> the wrong tree here? If I am, please remember that I just care

> about you and want you to get well.

>

>

>

> angesc2001 wrote: In our last episode,

> was seen visiting the DO, who at first

> seemed too good to be true, especially after giving her a rather large

> supply of HC.

>

> Tune in today when says, " ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGH!!!! Another

> doctor visit down the crapper!!! "

>

> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

,

I've heard that also, not so much about the IV chelation, more with

the oral supplements that they use for chelation. It's detoxing and

that usually involves some type of symptoms that make you feel bad.

I'm considering doing another parasite cleanse myself but I'm

hesitant since I've been feeling so good lately, I don't want to feel

really drained again. But then again, I stupidly did the last one

pretty soon after my foot surgery which was just about the time my

adrenal symptoms were getting full blown. But then again within a

week or two I felt very good after it.

Linn

> Isn't IV chelation pretty hard on the adrenals though?

> I have thought about doing this, but not until the

> rest of my adrenal/thyroid/hormone stuff has cleared

> up and is strong enough to support such a treatment.

>

>

>

> --- Linn wrote:

>

[Guest guest]

Well isn't that interesting. Typical, take a really good thing and

then screw it up somehow. That really ticks me off because this type

of thing could be used mainstream for heart disease and save a lot of

lives. It is used mainstream for heavy metal exposure. In fact

that's usually the only way insurance will cover it. Of course in

Florida, I think the main stay is just to make money off of all the

old folks. My mom got into trouble more than once with her idiot

doctors there, that I had to rescue her from.

Linn

> Linn,

>

> Here in south FL where we have lots of retirees, there are lots of

> chelation centers with hard-sell approaches. It's very out in the

> open here.

>

> I agree that there is definitely a lot to be said for chelation,

> but I don't think it is what should be addressed first if cardiac

> issues are not the primary reason for your visit to the doctor. It

> is hard on the body.

>

> I just went through trying to find a way to chelate mercury and

> lead from my system. The substances they use for IV chelation is

> something my poor bladder would not tolerate and so that's why I

> went the route of the Natural Cellular Defense. It was amazing how

> they practically cornered my hubby giving grave warnings for my

> future survival!

>

>

>

> .

>

>

[Guest guest]

Will do.

Linn

> Yes, it seems like its one of those things for down

> the line a bit. Sorry you had all that going on at

> once, ook!! At least you felt good later on though,

> that's good.

>

> I'd LOVE to do a parasite cleanse if I could find a

> very gentle one that actually worked. If you do a

> parasite cleanse will you let me know how it goes for

> you, what you used, etc please?

>

> Thanks

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

> ,

>

> Actually IV chelation therapy is the real deal. It is extremely

> useful for several types of illnesses, specifically heart disease, it

> actually has much better odds than surgical procedures. It is also

> very useful for mercury and other toxic chemical that we are all

> exposed to. That being said, it is also very expensive. Would I do

> it in lieu of a heart procedure? In a New York second. However I

> don't think I would rush into doing it for chemical toxicity before

> first finding out a lot of other things.

THIS is the problem. We haven't worked out the more CRITICAL issues

yet, such as my adrenal issues - I've only been on HC for 2 weeks, and

my post-meno levels of progesterone even through I'm only 39. These

two are my top priorities. And, my limited understanding is that IV

chelation is very harsh on the adrenals. At this point in time I'm

trying to stabilize, not add to the problem.

Next on my list comes iodine deficiency, especially with respect to

both thyroid and progesterone. On another forum I'm on, the

practitioner no longer rx's progesterone, because iodine has caused

progesterone to self-correct. With corrected progesterone, I will

have more successful adrenal function.

It is definitely not a

> quack procedure. It's actually not very easy to find doctors who do

> this, they are usually fairly discreet about it.

Well, this guy is not discreet, nor is a room of at least 80 recliners

& IV stands. It concerned me on my first visit, because of the

massive scope - I thought that this has to be the bread & butter issue

here.

I'm not saying that it's a quack procedure. I may eventually consider

it as an option. However, all roads led to Rome. In his mind, there

was no possibility that anything other than mercury toxicity could be

causing my problems.

Not stealth infection, not iodine deficiency, not a physical flaw,

such as small adrenals (think cats & interstitial cystitis - I loved

that article!), not gluten intolerance - all of these things we talked

about as possibilities on the first visit, which is why I was

interested. He made the chelation seem like the last option on the

first visit. Now on the second visit, it was the first option, and if

that doesn't work, then we can look at the other things.

And, may I say that he ordered no labs whatsoever. No hair sample, no

nothing. He did have my saliva tests and recent bloodwork that I had

done elsewhere. To me, that's not exactly great investigative work.

The way he handles it is to do a " loading test " - basically, do the

first chelation, then collect urine for the next 24 hours & analyze

for heavy metals.

He even said that EVERYONE has heavy metals in the urine after the

loading test. So, if everyone has heavy metals in the urine, how is

it that we REALLY determine that I have heavy metal toxicity? I'm

sorry, but that method reaked of the Emperor's New Clothes. Want to

do a hair sample & then tell me how it compares to what it should be?

Different story. But don't tell me that everyone has it and that's

why I need it.

Anyway, I rant...

Warmly,

[Guest guest]

>

> I think you've made a good choice, especially without any testing to

> show some problems. At your age do you even have any mercury

> fillings? I know when I first started out I really didn't even want

> to take Armour, only the iodine, although the fatigue got the better

> of me and I couldn't take it anymore.

>

Well, most of my fillings are from when I was a kid, so I am assuming

that they are mercury. I've only had a couple replaced as I needed

two crowns (YUCK!) and one filling replaced.

He didn't even ask me about my fillings. He was just going on and on

about all of the toxins in Ohio, that it's the dirtiest state in the

Union, blah, blah, blah.

One thing I can say is that I probably won't be getting my fillings

replaced unless TOTALLY dentally necessary. I have terrible

dent-o-phobia. There's not enough HC in the universe for that! LOL!

I have no problem with being on thyroid meds, even if for life. But

this idea that autoimmunity can be reversed is VERY interesting to me,

whether or not it reverses thyroid med requirements. More important

to me would be that the autoimmunity doesn't continue on to other

glands, etc., which may already be happening. This dr and several

others that I have consulted with have made a good argument for this

autoimmune reversal.

But...

If you look at all of the possibilities that have been discussed as

possible " causes " for the immune reaction - iodine deficiency, stealth

infections, gluten intolerance & heavy metal toxicity - it would be

reasonable to consider that I might have any or several of them. So

why start with the most invasive & expensive, especially without testing?

If he had said let's start testing for all of these, that would have

been a VERY different story. But his approach was, do the chelation

FIRST, then if that doesn't work, we'll look at the other issues.

Seems bass-ackwards to me!

Warmly,

[Guest guest]

>

> I think you've made a good choice, especially without any testing to

> show some problems. At your age do you even have any mercury

> fillings? I know when I first started out I really didn't even want

> to take Armour, only the iodine, although the fatigue got the better

> of me and I couldn't take it anymore.

>

Well, most of my fillings are from when I was a kid, so I am assuming

that they are mercury. I've only had a couple replaced as I needed

two crowns (YUCK!) and one filling replaced.

He didn't even ask me about my fillings. He was just going on and on

about all of the toxins in Ohio, that it's the dirtiest state in the

Union, blah, blah, blah.

One thing I can say is that I probably won't be getting my fillings

replaced unless TOTALLY dentally necessary. I have terrible

dent-o-phobia. There's not enough HC in the universe for that! LOL!

I have no problem with being on thyroid meds, even if for life. But

this idea that autoimmunity can be reversed is VERY interesting to me,

whether or not it reverses thyroid med requirements. More important

to me would be that the autoimmunity doesn't continue on to other

glands, etc., which may already be happening. This dr and several

others that I have consulted with have made a good argument for this

autoimmune reversal.

But...

If you look at all of the possibilities that have been discussed as

possible " causes " for the immune reaction - iodine deficiency, stealth

infections, gluten intolerance & heavy metal toxicity - it would be

reasonable to consider that I might have any or several of them. So

why start with the most invasive & expensive, especially without testing?

If he had said let's start testing for all of these, that would have

been a VERY different story. But his approach was, do the chelation

FIRST, then if that doesn't work, we'll look at the other issues.

Seems bass-ackwards to me!

Warmly,

[Guest guest]

>

> >>Next on my list comes iodine deficiency, especially with respect to

> both thyroid and progesterone<<

>

> The iodine will also do alot of the detoxing for you and may

eliminate the need for chelation. I think your -priorities are perfect.

>

Thank you! What is wrong with these idiots??? Don't bother answering

that...rhetorical question! LOL!

Actually, I spoke with Dr. last night & he concurred with what

you said - that iodine can do a lot in the detox department, even with

heavy metals.

He said that he favors a gentler approach - that adding in certain

things, such as iodine, can send other things out. He said that if

one opts for IV chelation that some hefty counterbalancing steps must

be taken or a person could become very ill. He agreed that it's NOT a

good idea with adrenal fatigue.

What I really like about Dr. is that he believes that the body

is resilient, and once the critical issues are addressed - like

treating the adrenal fatigue and super-low progesterone for me - that

things can be added & adjusted more slowly.

Hopefully some of that will rub off on me...then again, I have been at

critical mass lately in terms of health issues. Probably as they

subside, it will be easier to take a more relaxed approach.

Warmly,

[Guest guest]

>

> >>Next on my list comes iodine deficiency, especially with respect to

> both thyroid and progesterone<<

>

> The iodine will also do alot of the detoxing for you and may

eliminate the need for chelation. I think your -priorities are perfect.

>

Thank you! What is wrong with these idiots??? Don't bother answering

that...rhetorical question! LOL!

Actually, I spoke with Dr. last night & he concurred with what

you said - that iodine can do a lot in the detox department, even with

heavy metals.

He said that he favors a gentler approach - that adding in certain

things, such as iodine, can send other things out. He said that if

one opts for IV chelation that some hefty counterbalancing steps must

be taken or a person could become very ill. He agreed that it's NOT a

good idea with adrenal fatigue.

What I really like about Dr. is that he believes that the body

is resilient, and once the critical issues are addressed - like

treating the adrenal fatigue and super-low progesterone for me - that

things can be added & adjusted more slowly.

Hopefully some of that will rub off on me...then again, I have been at

critical mass lately in terms of health issues. Probably as they

subside, it will be easier to take a more relaxed approach.

Warmly,

[Guest guest]

It's my understanding that you don't even START chelating for

mercury toxicity until your mercury fillings have been removed.

So if he didn't address that, I would be even MORE wary.

Have you been to Andy Cutler's site:

http://www.noamalgam.com/

There's a Yahoo group too:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/adult-metal-chelation/

Other stuff:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

http://www.amalgam.org/#anchor71950

> >

> > I think you've made a good choice, especially without any

testing to

> > show some problems. At your age do you even have any mercury

> > fillings? I know when I first started out I really didn't even

want

> > to take Armour, only the iodine, although the fatigue got the

better

> > of me and I couldn't take it anymore.

> >

>

> Well, most of my fillings are from when I was a kid, so I am

assuming

> that they are mercury. I've only had a couple replaced as I needed

> two crowns (YUCK!) and one filling replaced.

>

> He didn't even ask me about my fillings. He was just going on and

on

> about all of the toxins in Ohio, that it's the dirtiest state in

the

> Union, blah, blah, blah.

>

> One thing I can say is that I probably won't be getting my fillings

> replaced unless TOTALLY dentally necessary. I have terrible

> dent-o-phobia. There's not enough HC in the universe for that!

LOL!

>

> I have no problem with being on thyroid meds, even if for life.

But

> this idea that autoimmunity can be reversed is VERY interesting to

me,

> whether or not it reverses thyroid med requirements. More

important

> to me would be that the autoimmunity doesn't continue on to other

> glands, etc., which may already be happening. This dr and several

> others that I have consulted with have made a good argument for

this

> autoimmune reversal.

>

> But...

>

> If you look at all of the possibilities that have been discussed as

> possible " causes " for the immune reaction - iodine deficiency,

stealth

> infections, gluten intolerance & heavy metal toxicity - it would be

> reasonable to consider that I might have any or several of them.

So

> why start with the most invasive & expensive, especially without

testing?

>

> If he had said let's start testing for all of these, that would

have

> been a VERY different story. But his approach was, do the

chelation

> FIRST, then if that doesn't work, we'll look at the other issues.

>

> Seems bass-ackwards to me!

>

> Warmly,

>

>

[Guest guest]

It's my understanding that you don't even START chelating for

mercury toxicity until your mercury fillings have been removed.

So if he didn't address that, I would be even MORE wary.

Have you been to Andy Cutler's site:

http://www.noamalgam.com/

There's a Yahoo group too:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/adult-metal-chelation/

Other stuff:

http://home.earthlink.net/~moriam/

http://www.amalgam.org/#anchor71950

> >

> > I think you've made a good choice, especially without any

testing to

> > show some problems. At your age do you even have any mercury

> > fillings? I know when I first started out I really didn't even

want

> > to take Armour, only the iodine, although the fatigue got the

better

> > of me and I couldn't take it anymore.

> >

>

> Well, most of my fillings are from when I was a kid, so I am

assuming

> that they are mercury. I've only had a couple replaced as I needed

> two crowns (YUCK!) and one filling replaced.

>

> He didn't even ask me about my fillings. He was just going on and

on

> about all of the toxins in Ohio, that it's the dirtiest state in

the

> Union, blah, blah, blah.

>

> One thing I can say is that I probably won't be getting my fillings

> replaced unless TOTALLY dentally necessary. I have terrible

> dent-o-phobia. There's not enough HC in the universe for that!

LOL!

>

> I have no problem with being on thyroid meds, even if for life.

But

> this idea that autoimmunity can be reversed is VERY interesting to

me,

> whether or not it reverses thyroid med requirements. More

important

> to me would be that the autoimmunity doesn't continue on to other

> glands, etc., which may already be happening. This dr and several

> others that I have consulted with have made a good argument for

this

> autoimmune reversal.

>

> But...

>

> If you look at all of the possibilities that have been discussed as

> possible " causes " for the immune reaction - iodine deficiency,

stealth

> infections, gluten intolerance & heavy metal toxicity - it would be

> reasonable to consider that I might have any or several of them.

So

> why start with the most invasive & expensive, especially without

testing?

>

> If he had said let's start testing for all of these, that would

have

> been a VERY different story. But his approach was, do the

chelation

> FIRST, then if that doesn't work, we'll look at the other issues.

>

> Seems bass-ackwards to me!

>

> Warmly,

>

>