Yeast (Candida) vs. Probiotics -- HELP!

[Guest guest]

Merav's comments about bacteria vs yeast is correct, except that yeast

overgrowth in the gut is clearly a problem for many people.

Bacterial overgrowth (Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth or SIBO) is

diagnosed with a Hydrogen Breath Test and treated with antibiotics, usually

Rifaxamin. It's frequently underdiagnosed, even by GI Docs.

Yeast overgrowth is diagnosed via various tests (however, I've not used

them and not sure of accuracy) or maybe even with a quality symptom survey

(google Crook +Candida questionairre)

It's often brought on by antibiotics altering the natural balance, poor,

highly refined, high carb diets and is a lot more common among celiac

patients.

_www.vrp.com_ (http://www.vrp.com) has a good 1 hour tutorial on Candida

and it's treatment, which includes antifungals and herbs that prevent

multiplicatoin of yeast.

I forget the exact number, but approx. 80% of humans have candida albicans

yeast in their gut, but it's a natural flora and is only a problem with

overgrowth.

Many MDs refuse to " beleive " it's a problem, but there are many MDs that

are more than happy to treat it.

In Denver area, Dr. Nonas, a MD and Allergist. Other docs

include Dr Hotze (google that word +candida), Dr. Pelligrino, Dr Sherry .

One dietitian that specializes in this is Dr. Sally Rockwell. She's busy

and active well into her 70's and is not an RD, but was grandfathered into

the ADA many years ago. _www.drsallyrockwell.com_

(http://www.drsallyrockwell.com) is her website.

There's a LOT to learn on the subject, but respectfully to Merav, to

suggest it doesn't exist is incorrect. If you have research that proves people

don't have gut overgrowth, I'd sure like to see it.

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

In a message dated 8/27/2009 2:01:10 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

meravls@... writes:

Hi le,

If my memory and understanding serves me well....

Yeast are fungi while the microflora in the gut is bacteria.

Yeast could be found in upper GI, AKA thrush/oral candidiasis as it could

occur with pt with HIV/AIDS and pts after chemo. Also antibiotics can cause

that.

Yeast are also common in vaginal infection.

There is no such thing as " yeast overgrowth " . Yeast should not be present,

healthy people like you and me walk around yeast free (or at least our

immune system fights it well enough before it turns into infection). Bacterial

overgrowth means imbalance of the gut " good " bacteria, which may be as a

result of antibiotics, therefore supplemented with probiotics to replace it

and re-create the appropriate balance. That also could mean that the

bacteria " overgrew " the area it should be in - the colon - creating an

infection

of the small intestine or even transfer to the blood, causing bacteremia.

See this link...it looks reliable but I can't guarantee, other then the

fact that is *.org

_http://www.yeastgenhttp://www.http://wwhttp://www_

(http://www.yeastgenome.org/VL-what_are_yeast.html)

Hope that helps

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN

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From: _le.@..._ (mailto:le.@...)

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:40:40 +0000

Subject: Yeast (Candida) vs. Probiotics -- HELP!

Hi Group,

This might be a stupid question, but is there a difference between yeast

and gut bacteria (probiotics)This might be a stupid question, but is there a

difference between yeast and gut bacteria (probiotics)<WBR>? If someone

has " candida overgrowth " , does thi

Totally confused and don't remember ever learning this! :>)

Any yeast experts out there?

TIA,

le

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Signet Diagnostic Corporation

(Mountain Time)

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DineRight4@...

Specialist in IBS, migraine, fibromyalgia and inflammatory conditions

which are often triggered by adverse reactions to foods and chemicals.

Co-Author of the Certified LEAP Therapist Training Course.

[Guest guest]

Hi Group,

This might be a stupid question, but is there a difference between yeast and gut

bacteria (probiotics)? If someone has " candida overgrowth " , does this mean

they have an overgrowth of " bad " bacteria? Can yeast even grow in the GI tract

(my MD says no)?

Totally confused and don't remember ever learning this! :>)

Any yeast experts out there?

TIA,

le

--

le , MS, RD

The Food Confidence Expert

Registered Dietitian, Speaker, Media Resource

| office

| cell

[Guest guest]

Hi le,

If my memory and understanding serves me well....

Yeast are fungi while the microflora in the gut is bacteria.

Yeast could be found in upper GI, AKA thrush/oral candidiasis as it could occur

with pt with HIV/AIDS and pts after chemo. Also antibiotics can cause that.

Yeast are also common in vaginal infection.

There is no such thing as " yeast overgrowth " . Yeast should not be present,

healthy people like you and me walk around yeast free (or at least our immune

system fights it well enough before it turns into infection). Bacterial

overgrowth means imbalance of the gut " good " bacteria, which may be as a result

of antibiotics, therefore supplemented with probiotics to replace it and

re-create the appropriate balance. That also could mean that the bacteria

" overgrew " the area it should be in - the colon - creating an infection of the

small intestine or even transfer to the blood, causing bacteremia.

See this link...it looks reliable but I can't guarantee, other then the fact

that is *.org

http://www.yeastgenome.org/VL-what_are_yeast.html

Hope that helps

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN

To: rd-usa

From: le.@...

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:40:40 +0000

Subject: Yeast (Candida) vs. Probiotics -- HELP!

Hi Group,

This might be a stupid question, but is there a difference between yeast and gut

bacteria (probiotics)? If someone has " candida overgrowth " , does this mean they

have an overgrowth of " bad " bacteria? Can yeast even grow in the GI tract (my MD

says no)?

Totally confused and don't remember ever learning this! :>)

Any yeast experts out there?

TIA,

le

--

le , MS, RD

The Food Confidence Expert

Registered Dietitian, Speaker, Media Resource

| office

| cell

[Guest guest]

learning more every day

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN

To: rd-usa

From: Dineright4@...

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 16:33:08 -0400

Subject: Re: Yeast (Candida) vs. Probiotics -- HELP!

Merav's comments about bacteria vs yeast is correct, except that yeast

overgrowth in the gut is clearly a problem for many people.

Bacterial overgrowth (Small Intestinal Bacterial Overgrowth or SIBO) is

diagnosed with a Hydrogen Breath Test and treated with antibiotics, usually

Rifaxamin. It's frequently underdiagnosed, even by GI Docs.

Yeast overgrowth is diagnosed via various tests (however, I've not used

them and not sure of accuracy) or maybe even with a quality symptom survey

(google Crook +Candida questionairre)

It's often brought on by antibiotics altering the natural balance, poor,

highly refined, high carb diets and is a lot more common among celiac

patients.

_www.vrp.com_ (http://www.vrp.com) has a good 1 hour tutorial on Candida

and it's treatment, which includes antifungals and herbs that prevent

multiplicatoin of yeast.

I forget the exact number, but approx. 80% of humans have candida albicans

yeast in their gut, but it's a natural flora and is only a problem with

overgrowth.

Many MDs refuse to " beleive " it's a problem, but there are many MDs that

are more than happy to treat it.

In Denver area, Dr. Nonas, a MD and Allergist. Other docs

include Dr Hotze (google that word +candida), Dr. Pelligrino, Dr Sherry .

One dietitian that specializes in this is Dr. Sally Rockwell. She's busy

and active well into her 70's and is not an RD, but was grandfathered into

the ADA many years ago. _www.drsallyrockwell.com_

(http://www.drsallyrockwell.com) is her website.

There's a LOT to learn on the subject, but respectfully to Merav, to

suggest it doesn't exist is incorrect. If you have research that proves people

don't have gut overgrowth, I'd sure like to see it.

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

In a message dated 8/27/2009 2:01:10 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time,

meravls@... writes:

Hi le,

If my memory and understanding serves me well....

Yeast are fungi while the microflora in the gut is bacteria.

Yeast could be found in upper GI, AKA thrush/oral candidiasis as it could

occur with pt with HIV/AIDS and pts after chemo. Also antibiotics can cause

that.

Yeast are also common in vaginal infection.

There is no such thing as " yeast overgrowth " . Yeast should not be present,

healthy people like you and me walk around yeast free (or at least our

immune system fights it well enough before it turns into infection). Bacterial

overgrowth means imbalance of the gut " good " bacteria, which may be as a

result of antibiotics, therefore supplemented with probiotics to replace it

and re-create the appropriate balance. That also could mean that the

bacteria " overgrew " the area it should be in - the colon - creating an

infection

of the small intestine or even transfer to the blood, causing bacteremia.

See this link...it looks reliable but I can't guarantee, other then the

fact that is *.org

_http://www.yeastgenhttp://www.http://wwhttp://www_

(http://www.yeastgenome.org/VL-what_are_yeast.html)

Hope that helps

Merav Levi, RD, MS, CDN

To: _rd-usa@...-_ (mailto:rd-usa )

From: _le.@..._ (mailto:le.@...)

Date: Thu, 27 Aug 2009 19:40:40 +0000

Subject: Yeast (Candida) vs. Probiotics -- HELP!

Hi Group,

This might be a stupid question, but is there a difference between yeast

and gut bacteria (probiotics)This might be a stupid question, but is there a

difference between yeast and gut bacteria (probiotics)<WBR>? If someone

has " candida overgrowth " , does thi

Totally confused and don't remember ever learning this! :>)

Any yeast experts out there?

TIA,

le

--

le , MS, RD

The Food Confidence Expert

Registered Dietitian, Speaker, Media Resource

| office

| cell

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

Consultant, Writer, Speaker

Director of Medical Nutrition

Signet Diagnostic Corporation

(Mountain Time)

Fax:

DineRight4@...

Specialist in IBS, migraine, fibromyalgia and inflammatory conditions

which are often triggered by adverse reactions to foods and chemicals.

Co-Author of the Certified LEAP Therapist Training Course.