Re: Re: FINALLY..... THE $64,000 QUESTION WAS ASKED./healthcare refo...

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Thanks, .

I hope that those actively participating in this discussion (as well as

those participating silently) will review these concerns. This is the real

bill...in black and white...minus all the propaganda.

L. Audley, M.S., R.D., L.D.

Cleveland Clinic; Cleveland, Ohio

In a message dated 8/13/2009 3:33:38 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

drowell@... writes:

Well said, . From someone who has read the bill, here are concerns

listed by page, etc.

Page 22 of the HC Bill : Mandates that the Govt will audit books of all

employers that self insure.

Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that decides

what treatments/benefits you get.

Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: Heatlhcare will be rationed

Page 42 of HC Bill :The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your HC

Benefits for you. You will have no choice.

Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non US

citizens, illegal or otherwise

Page 58 HC Bill : Govt will have real-time access to individuals finances

& a National ID Healthcard will be issued!

Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to your banks

accounts for elective funds transfer.

Page 65 Sec 164: is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their

families in Unions & community organizations: (ACORN).

Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for private HC

plans in the Exchange.

Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill : Specifications for of Benefit Levels for Plans =

The Govt will ration our Healthcare.

(Anytime something is " free " , it has to be rationed. What if Mcs

said " free hamburgers! " They would have to limit it, just like all socialized

healthcare is.

Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill : Govt mandates linguistic appropriate services.

Example - Translation: illegal aliens.

Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN &

Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.

Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill : Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans.

Health care WILL be rationed.

Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill : Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be

automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.

Page 124 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No

" judicial review " against Govt Monopoly.

Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill : Doctors/ American Medical Association - The

Govt will tell doctors what they can make! (salary)

Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into public

option plan. NO CHOICE!

Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part time employees

AND their families.

Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who does not

provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.

Page 150 Lines 9-13: Business's with payroll btw 251k & 401k who doesn't

provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll.

Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC

according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.

(A large portion of " uninsured " choose not to be because they are young.

Millions of " uninsured " are illegal aliens. Some wealthy unisnusred choose

to " self-insure " (

Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill : Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from

individual taxes. (Americans will pay)

Page 195 HC Bill : Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have

access to ALL Americans finances /personal records.

Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: " The tax imposed under this section shall not be

treated as tax " Yes, it says that!

Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill : Govt will reduce physician services for

Medicaid Seniors, low income and poor are affected.

Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill : Doctors, doesn't matter what specialty, will

all be paid the same!

Page 253 Line 1 0-18: Govt sets value of Doctor's time, profession,

judgment etc. Literally value of humans.

Page 265 Sec 1131: Govt mandates & controls productivity for private HC

industries.

Page 268 Sec 1141: Federal Govt regulates rental & purchase of power

driven wheelchairs.

Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer

patients - welcome to rationing!

Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever Govt

deems preventable re-admissions.

Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors, treat a patient during initial admission

that results in a re-admission -Govt will penalize you.

Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investmenPage 317 L 13-20:

PROHIBITION on ownership/invest

Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is mandating

hospitals cannot expand.

Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT

community input is required. ACORN?!!

Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: Govt mandates establishment of outcome based

measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.

Page 341 Lines 3-9: Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare Advance

Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt plan.

Page 354 Sec 1177: Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs people!

Page 379 Sec 1191: Govt creates more bureaucracy - Tele-health Advisory

Comittee. HC by phone?

Page 425 Lines 4-12: Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult. Senior

Citizens end of life patients.

Page 425 Lines 17-19: Govt will instruct & consult regarding living wills,

durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!

Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: Govt provides approved list of end of

life resources, guiding you in death. (assisted suicide)

Page 427 Lines 15-24: Govt mandates program for orders for end of life.

The Govt has a say in how your life ends.

Page 429 Lines 1-9: An " advanced care planning consultant " will be used

frequently as patients health deteriorates.

Page 429 Lines 10-12: " advanced care consultation " may include an ORDER

for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOVT!

Page 429 Lines 13-25: The govt will specify which Doctors can write an end

of life order.

Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment you

will have at end of life!

Page 469: Community Based Home Medical Services = Non profit

organizations. ACORN types?

Page 472 Lines 14-17: PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORIGINATION. 1 monthly

payment 2 a community-based organization. Like ACORN?

Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy. Which

means they will insert Govt into your marriage.

Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including defining,

creating, rationing those services.

W. Rowell, RD, LN

Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

Certified LEAP Therapist

Quote of the Day: " A government that is big enough to give you all you

want is big enough to take it all away. " --Barry Goldwater

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Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 1:00 PM

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Subject: Re: Re: FINALLY..... THE $64,000 QUESTION WAS ASKED.

Pam,

With all due respect, I agree with Jan and Kathy.

Have you actually read the proposed health care bill ?

I have been reading through it (it's long, but easily accessible

on-line)...and there are major reasons to be concerned if it passes.

I am not against doing something for the uninsured. But I am totally

against the way it is being done.

You suggested that Kathy join the discussion " armed with correct

information " information " <WBR>. Perhaps you should read the bill so that

you will hav

information.

Audley, M.S., R.D., L.D.

Cleveland Clinic, Cleveland, Ohio

In a message dated 8/13/2009 2:18:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

_pcharney@..._ (mailto:pcharney@...) <mailto:pcharney%mailto:pc>

writes:

Kathy,

With all due respect, the U.S. most certainly does not have the best

health care system in the world. We rank well below the top 10,

perhaps even the top 20 in terms of outcomes of the care we provide.

What we are number one for is the cost of that care. We outrank every

other nation in the world in terms of what it costs to provide care,

yet we have subpar results.

I would also urge you to recheck your figures regarding the number of

uninsured individuals. It is now over 47 million and growing in our

current economic climate. We are all literally one job loss away from

becoming one of those individuals.

To advocate for trashing the entire proposal because you don't like

the fact that Congress has a super duper health plan is short-sighted

and childish at best. Am I happy with Congress's health insurance?

Heck, no. I wish I had that coverage. But I also wish that my

neighbors who are now unemployed did not have to make choices such as

" do we pay the rent or do we go to the doctor? " I'll give Congress

their pretty plan if it means I can also get my neighbors any plan.

Hopefully through meaningful and respectful discussion we can maybe

get Congress to give up a perk or two.

How about joining the discussion armed with correct information and

a desire to provide even basic health care for every man, woman, and

child in the U.S.?

Pam Charney PhD, RD

Clinical Coordinator

Graduate Coordinated Program in Dietetics

Lecturer, Department of Epidemiology

Nutrition Sciences Program

School of Public Health and Community Medicine

Box 353410, 306-C Raitt Hall

Affiliate Associate Professor

School of Pharmacy

MS Student

Clinical Informatics and Patient Centered Technology

School of Nursing

University of Washington

Seattle, WA

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" The person who says it can't be done should not

interrupt the person doing it " - Ethel Kennedy

> Jan: I could not agree with you more. Our government starting with the

> President should be placed on this new health care program first. If

> it

> works, then they can sign the rest of us up!!! My question is why

> overhaul

> the entire system when a small number are truly uninsured and can

> not afford

> it. Remove the illegals, those who choose not to be insured and

> those who

> do not bother to sign up for benefits and an estimated 5 to 10 million

> working poor are actually uninsured and require the help. Why not just

> address these people?? Just another power grab by the government. I

> realize there are many problems with our current system however we

> still do

> have the best health care in the world. I live here in Mayo country,

> and it

> is a common occurrence to have a 747 from Saudi Arabia or other

> foreign

> country sitting for several weeks at Rochester Airport while someone

> is

> being treated at the Clinic. In addition while they are here they

> drop a

> couple million in Rochester. Why ruin that?? King Hussein was a

> frequent

> visitor to the Mayo Clinic and died here. The Cleveland Clinic

> recently had

> the Prime Minister of Italy there for open heart surgery. Do you see

> anyone

> running to Canada or the UK for treatment???

>

> Have you attended any " Town Hall " meetings? I intend to go on Aug 22

> to the

> Rochester, MN meeting. Kathy

>

> Kathy C. Fielding, RD, LD

>

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>

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>

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>

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> Subject: Re: FINALLY..... THE $64,000 QUESTION WAS ASKED.

>

> FINALLY...THE $64,000 QUESTION WAS ASKED...

>

> YESTERDAY ON " ABC-TV " (BETTER KNOWN AS THE ALL BARRACK CHANNEL) DURING

> THE " NETWORK SPECIAL ON HEALTH CARE " .... OBAMA WAS ASKED:

>

> " MR. PRESIDENT WILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY GIVE UP YOUR CURRENT HEALTH

> CARE

> PROGRAM AND JOIN THE NEW 'UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE PROGRAM' THAT THE

> REST OF

> US WILL BE ON ???? " ..... (BET YOU ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER)...

>

> THERE WAS A STONEY SILENCE AS OBAMA IGNORED THE QUESTION AND CHOSE

> NOT TO

> ANSWER IT !!!...

>

> IN ADDITION, A NUMBER OF SENATORS WERE ASKED T HE SAME QUESTION AND

> THERE

> RESPONSE WAS... " WE WILL THINK ABOUT IT. "

>

> AND THEY DID. IT WAS ANNOUNCED TODAY ON THE NEWS THAT THE " KENNEDY

> HEALTH

> CARE BILL " WAS WRITTEN INTO THE NEW HEALTH CARE REFORM INITIATIVE

> ENSURING THAT CONGRESS WILL BE 100% EXEMPT !

>

> SO, THIS GREAT NEW HEALTH CARE PLAN THAT IS GOOD FOR YOU AND I... IS

> NOT

> GOOD ENOUGH FOR OBAMA, HIS FAMILY OR CONGRESS...? GOOD ENOUGH FOR O

> PUBLIC) NEED TO STOP THIS PROPOSED DEBACLE ASAP !!!!... THIS IS

> TOTALLY

> WRONG

> !!!!!

>

> PERSONALLY, I CAN ONLY ACCEPT A UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE OVERHAUL THAT

> EXTENDS TO EVERYONE... NOT JUST US LOWLY CITIZENS... WHILE THE

> WASHINGTON

> " ELITE " KEEP RIGHT ON WITH THEIR GOLD-PLATED HEALTH CARE COVERAGES.

>

> IF YOU AGREE PLEASE PASS THIS O N ....IF NOT PLAN TO SUFFER WITH THE

> OBAMA HEALTH CARE PLAN ...FOR FREE.... WHILE OUR SELF-SERVING

> POLITICIANS

> MAKE SURE THAT THEY TAKE CARE OF THEIR BUTTS AT OUR EXPENSE.

>

> Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

> Director of Medical Nutrition

> Signet Diagnostic Corporation

>

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I second . The bill must be read in order to be informed.

L. Audley, M.S., R.D., L.D.

Cleveland Clinic; Cleveland, Ohio

In a message dated 8/13/2009 4:02:18 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

drowell@... writes:

Clearly you haven't read the pages of the bill that I referenced. You must,

in order to be informed. I can only tell you " yes it is " in there. Read it

for yourself.

Having a government committee versus a free market committee within a

health insurance company that I can choose are two different things. If you

don't understand the free market versus government monopoly, the discussion is

useless.

The cost of catastrophic care and the cost of catastrophic care insurance

are two different things. I can get this insurance for my family for $450 -

680/month, or so. Deductibles are $5000 to 11000. I could easily save the

deductable, if I had the money my State plan spends on my health care

insurance added to what I currently pay for my current low deductible

insurance.

I could use a Health Savings Account and what I don't use this year, adds

up for subsequent years. I would much prefer it!

W. Rowell, RD, LN

Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

Certified LEAP Therapist

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[mailto:_rd-usa@...-_ (mailto:rd-usa ) ] On Behalf Of

Pam

Charney

Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 1:43 PM

To: _rd-usa@...-_ (mailto:rd-usa )

Subject: Re: Re: FINALLY..... THE $64,000 QUESTION WAS

ASKED./healthcare reform- pages

,

You are misinformed. There will be no government committee that

decides what healthcare you get or not. Actually, I'm sure you are

aware that at this point in time if you have insurance, your carrier

DOES have a committee that decides what you get or not? There will be

no access to your bank accounts. There will be no uniform ID

(although, I'm sure you're aware that without some way of identifying

patients we cannot have a truly interoperable system, meaning that if

you are traveling and have an urgent health care need, there is no way

to communicate with your providers at home?).

Health care is rationed now, it's just done by insurers who have a

bottom line profit motive as their best interest.

Please let's be more rational in this discussion. The bullet points

you list here are obviously not from the actual discussion.

Regarding your comment that you'd love to simply use your own funds

for health care, I'm sure you have hundred of thousands of dollars

available, as that's the current cost for treating a catastrophic

illness.

pam

Pam Charney PhD, RD

Clinical Coordinator

Graduate Coordinated Program in Dietetics

Lecturer, Department of Epidemiology

Nutrition Sciences Program

School of Public Health and Community Medicine

Box 353410, 306-C Raitt Hall

Affiliate Associate Professor

School of Pharmacy

MS Student

Clinical Informatics and Patient Centered Technology

School of Nursing

University of Washington

Seattle, WA

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" The person who says it can't be done should not

interrupt the person doing it " - Ethel Kennedy

> Well said, . From someone who has read the bill, here are

> concerns listed by page, etc.

>

> Page 22 of the HC Bill : Mandates that the Govt will audit books of

> all employers that self insure.

>

> Page 30 Sec 123 of HC bill - THERE WILL BE A GOVT COMMITTEE that

> decides what treatments/benefits you get.

>

> Page 29 lines 4-16 in the HC bill: Heatlhcare will be rationed

>

> Page 42 of HC Bill :The Health Choices Commissioner will choose your

> HC Benefits for you. You will have no choice.

>

> Page 50 Section 152 in HC bill: HC will be provided to ALL non US

> citizens, illegal or otherwise

>

> Page 58 HC Bill : Govt will have real-time access to individuals

> finances & a National ID Healthcard will be issued!

>

> Page 59 HC Bill lines 21-24: Govt will have direct access to your

> banks accounts for elective funds transfer.

>

> Page 65 Sec 164: is a payoff subsidized plan for retirees and their

> families in Unions & community organizations: (ACORN).

>

> Page 84 Sec 203 HC bill: Govt mandates ALL benefit packages for

> private HC plans in the Exchange.

>

> Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill : Specifications for of Benefit Levels for

> Plans = The Govt will ration our Healthcare.

> (Anytime something is " free " , it has to be rationed. What if

> Mcs said " free hamburgers! " They would have to limit it, just

> like all socialized healthcare is.

>

> Page 91 Lines 4-7 HC Bill : Govt mandates linguistic appropriate

> services. Example - Translation: illegal aliens.

>

> Page 95 HC Bill Lines 8-18: The Govt will use groups i.e., ACORN &

> Americorps to sign up individuals for Govt HC plan.

> Page 85 Line 7 HC Bill : Specifications of Benefit Levels for Plans.

> Health care WILL be rationed.

> Page 102 Lines 12-18 HC Bill : Medicaid Eligible Individuals will be

> automatically enrolled in Medicaid. No choice.

> Page 124 lines 24-25 HC: No company can sue GOVT on price fixing. No

> " judicial review " against Govt Monopoly.

>

> Page 127 Lines 1-16 HC Bill : Doctors/ American Medical Association

> - The Govt will tell doctors what they can make! (salary)

>

> Page 145 Line 15-17: An Employer MUST auto enroll employees into

> public option plan. NO CHOICE!

>

> Page 126 Lines 22-25: Employers MUST pay for HC for part time

> employees AND their families.

>

> Page 149 Lines 16-24: ANY Employer with payroll 401k & above who

> does not provide public option pays 8% tax on all payroll.

> Page 150 Lines 9-13: Business's with payroll btw 251k & 401k who

> doesn't provide public option pays 2-6% tax on all payroll.

> Page 167 Lines 18-23: ANY individual who doesn't have acceptable HC

> according to Govt will be taxed 2.5% of income.

> (A large portion of " uninsured " choose not to be because they are

> young. Millions of " uninsured " are illegal aliens. Some wealthy

> unisnusred choose to " self-insure "

>

> Page 170 Lines 1-3 HC Bill : Any NONRESIDENT Alien is exempt from

> individual taxes. (Americans will pay)

>

> Page 195 HC Bill : Officers & employees of HC Admin (GOVT) will have

> access to ALL Americans finances /personal records.

>

> Page 203 Line 14-15 HC: " The tax imposed under this section shall

> not be treated as tax " Yes, it says that!

>

> Page 239 Line 14-24 HC Bill : Govt will reduce physician services

> for Medicaid Seniors, low income and poor are affected.

>

> Page 241 Line 6-8 HC Bill : Doctors, doesn't matter what specialty,

> will all be paid the same!

> Page 253 Line 1 0-18: Govt sets value of Doctor's time, profession,

> judgment etc. Literally value of humans.

>

> Page 265 Sec 1131: Govt mandates & controls productivity for private

> HC industries.

>

> Page 268 Sec 1141: Federal Govt regulates rental & purchase of power

> driven wheelchairs.

>

> Page 272 SEC. 1145: TREATMENT OF CERTAIN CANCER HOSPITALS - Cancer

> patients - welcome to rationing!

>

> Page 280 Sec 1151: The Govt will penalize hospitals for whatever

> Govt deems preventable re-admissions.

> Page 298 Lines 9-11: Doctors, treat a patient during initial

> admission that results in a re-admission -Govt will penalize you.

>

> Page 317 L 13-20: PROHIBITION on ownership/investmen Page 317 L

> Doctors what/how much they can own!

>

> Page 317-318 lines 21-25, 1-3: PROHIBITION on expansion- Govt is

> mandating hospitals cannot expand.

>

> Page 321 2-13: Hospitals have opportunity to apply for exception BUT

> community input is required. ACORN?!!

>

> Page 335 L 16-25 Pg 336-339: Govt mandates establishment of outcome

> based measures. HC the way they want. Rationing.

>

> Page 341 Lines 3-9: Govt has authority to disqualify Medicare

> Advance Plans, HMOs, etc. Forcing people into Govt plan.

>

> Page 354 Sec 1177: Govt will RESTRICT enrollment of Special needs

> people!

> Page 379 Sec 1191: Govt creates more bureaucracy - Tele-health

> Advisory Comittee. HC by phone?

>

> Page 425 Lines 4-12: Govt mandates Advance Care Planning Consult.

> Senior Citizens end of life patients.

>

> Page 425 Lines 17-19: Govt will instruct & consult regarding living

> wills, durable powers of attorney. Mandatory!

>

> Page 425 Lines 22-25, 426 Lines 1-3: Govt provides approved list of

> end of life resources, guiding you in death. (assisted suicide)

>

> Page 427 Lines 15-24: Govt mandates program for orders for end of

> life. The Govt has a say in how your life ends.

>

> Page 429 Lines 1-9: An " advanced care planning consultant " will be

> used frequently as patients health deteriorates.

>

> Page 429 Lines 10-12: " advanced care consultation " may include an

> ORDER for end of life plans. AN ORDER from GOVT!

>

> Page 429 Lines 13-25: The govt will specify which Doctors can write

> an end of life order.

>

> Page 430 Lines 11-15: The Govt will decide what level of treatment

> you will have at end of life!

>

> Page 469: Community Based Home Medical Services = Non profit

> organizations. ACORN types?

>

> Page 472 Lines 14-17: PAYMENT TO COMMUNITY-BASED ORIGINATION. 1

> monthly payment 2 a community-based organization. Like ACORN?

>

> Page 489 Sec 1308: The Govt will cover Marriage & Family therapy.

> Which means they will insert Govt into your marriage.

> Page 494-498: Govt will cover Mental Health Services including

> defining, creating, rationing those services.

>

> W. Rowell, RD, LN

> Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT

> Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care

> Certified LEAP Therapist

>

> Quote of the Day: " A government that is big enough to give you all

> you want is big enough to take it all away. " --Barry Goldwater

>

> ____________ ____ ____

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(mailto:rd-usa ) <mailto:rd-usa%mailto:rd-usa%mai>] On

> Behalf Of _Audley3@..._ (mailto:Audley3@...)

<mailto:Audley3%mailto:Au>

> Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 1:00 PM

> To: _rd-usa@...-_ (mailto:rd-usa )

<mailto:rd-usa%mailto:rd-usa%mai>

> Subject: Re: Re: FINALLY..... THE $64,000 QUESTION WAS ASKED.

>

> Pam,

>

> With all due respect, I agree with Jan and Kathy.

>

> Have you actually read the proposed health care bill ?

>

> I have been reading through it (it's long, but easily accessible

> on-line)...and there are major reasons to be concerned if it passes.

>

> I am not against doing something for the uninsured. But I am totally

> against the way it is being done.

>

> You suggested that Kathy join the discussion " armed with correct

> information " information " <WBR>. Perhaps you should read the bill so

> the correct

> information.

>

> Audley, M.S., R.D., L.D.

> Cleveland Clinic, Cleveland, Ohio

>

> In a message dated 8/13/2009 2:18:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> _pcharney@..._ (mailto:pcharney@...)

<mailto:pcharney%mailto:pc><mailto:pcharneymailto:pch> writes:

>

> Kathy,

>

> With all due respect, the U.S. most certainly does not have the best

> health care system in the world. We rank well below the top 10,

> perhaps even the top 20 in terms of outcomes of the care we provide.

> What we are number one for is the cost of that care. We outrank every

> other nation in the world in terms of what it costs to provide care,

> yet we have subpar results.

>

> I would also urge you to recheck your figures regarding the number of

> uninsured individuals. It is now over 47 million and growing in our

> current economic climate. We are all literally one job loss away from

> becoming one of those individuals.

>

> To advocate for trashing the entire proposal because you don't like

> the fact that Congress has a super duper health plan is short-sighted

> and childish at best. Am I happy with Congress's health insurance?

> Heck, no. I wish I had that coverage. But I also wish that my

> neighbors who are now unemployed did not have to make choices such as

> " do we pay the rent or do we go to the doctor? " I'll give Congress

> their pretty plan if it means I can also get my neighbors any plan.

> Hopefully through meaningful and respectful discussion we can maybe

> get Congress to give up a perk or two.

>

> How about joining the discussion armed with correct information and

> a desire to provide even basic health care for every man, woman, and

> child in the U.S.?

>

> Pam Charney PhD, RD

> Clinical Coordinator

> Graduate Coordinated Program in Dietetics

> Lecturer, Department of Epidemiology

> Nutrition Sciences Program

> School of Public Health and Community Medicine

> Box 353410, 306-C Raitt Hall

>

> Affiliate Associate Professor

> School of Pharmacy

>

> MS Student

> Clinical Informatics and Patient Centered Technology

> School of Nursing

>

> University of Washington

> Seattle, WA

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> " The person who says it can't be done should not

> interrupt the person doing it " - Ethel Kennedy

>

>

>

> > Jan: I could not agree with you more. Our government starting with

> the

> > President should be placed on this new health care program first. If

> > it

> > works, then they can sign the rest of us up!!! My question is why

> > overhaul

> > the entire system when a small number are truly uninsured and can

> > not afford

> > it. Remove the illegals, those who choose not to be insured and

> > those who

> > do not bother to sign up for benefits and an estimated 5 to 10

> million

> > working poor are actually uninsured and require the help. Why not

> just

> > address these people?? Just another power grab by the government. I

> > realize there are many problems with our current system however we

> > still do

> > have the best health care in the world. I live here in Mayo country,

> > and it

> > is a common occurrence to have a 747 from Saudi Arabia or other

> > foreign

> > country sitting for several weeks at Rochester Airport while someone

> > is

> > being treated at the Clinic. In addition while they are here they

> > drop a

> > couple million in Rochester. Why ruin that?? King Hussein was a

> > frequent

> > visitor to the Mayo Clinic and died here. The Cleveland Clinic

> > recently had

> > the Prime Minister of Italy there for open heart surgery. Do you see

> > anyone

> > running to Canada or the UK for treatment???

> >

> > Have you attended any " Town Hall " meetings? I intend to go on Aug 22

> > to the

> > Rochester, MN meeting. Kathy

> >

> > Kathy C. Fielding, RD, LD

> >

> > Registered/Licensed Dietitian Nutritionist

> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

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> >

> > _____

> >

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> > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:49 AM

> > To: __rd-usa@yahoogroups_rd_ (mailto:_rd-usa@...)

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> > Subject: Re: FINALLY..... THE $64,000 QUESTION WAS ASKED.

> >

> > FINALLY...THE $64,000 QUESTION WAS ASKED...

> >

> > YESTERDAY ON " ABC-TV " (BETTER KNOWN AS THE ALL BARRACK CHANNEL)

> DURING

> > THE " NETWORK SPECIAL ON HEALTH CARE " .... OBAMA WAS ASKED:

> >

> > " MR. PRESIDENT WILL YOU AND YOUR FAMILY GIVE UP YOUR CURRENT HEALTH

> > CARE

> > PROGRAM AND JOIN THE NEW 'UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE PROGRAM' THAT THE

> > REST OF

> > US WILL BE ON ???? " ..... (BET YOU ALREADY KNOW THE ANSWER)...

> >

> > THERE WAS A STONEY SILENCE AS OBAMA IGNORED THE QUESTION AND CHOSE

> > NOT TO

> > ANSWER IT !!!...

> >

> > IN ADDITION, A NUMBER OF SENATORS WERE ASKED T HE SAME QUESTION AND

> > THERE

> > RESPONSE WAS... " WE WILL THINK ABOUT IT. "

> >

> > AND THEY DID. IT WAS ANNOUNCED TODAY ON THE NEWS THAT THE " KENNEDY

> > HEALTH

> > CARE BILL " WAS WRITTEN INTO THE NEW HEALTH CARE REFORM INITIATIVE

> > ENSURING THAT CONGRESS WILL BE 100% EXEMPT !

> >

> > SO, THIS GREAT NEW HEALTH CARE PLAN THAT IS GOOD FOR YOU AND I... IS

> > NOT

> > GOOD ENOUGH FOR OBAMA, HIS FAMILY OR CONGRESS...? GOOD ENOUGH FOR O

> > PUBLIC) NEED TO STOP THIS PROPOSED DEBACLE ASAP !!!!... THIS IS

> > TOTALLY

> > WRONG

> > !!!!!

> >

> > PERSONALLY, I CAN ONLY ACCEPT A UNIVERSAL HEALTH CARE OVERHAUL THAT

> > EXTENDS TO EVERYONE... NOT JUST US LOWLY CITIZENS... WHILE THE

> > WASHINGTON

> > " ELITE " KEEP RIGHT ON WITH THEIR GOLD-PLATED HEALTH CARE COVERAGES.

> >

> > IF YOU AGREE PLEASE PASS THIS O N ....IF NOT PLAN TO SUFFER WITH THE

> > OBAMA HEALTH CARE PLAN ...FOR FREE.... WHILE OUR SELF-SERVING

> > POLITICIANS

> > MAKE SURE THAT THEY TAKE CARE OF THEIR BUTTS AT OUR EXPENSE.

> >

> > Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

> > Director of Medical Nutrition

> > Signet Diagnostic Corporation

> >

> > Fax:

> > DineRight4aol (DOT) <mailto:DineRight4%mailto:Di> com

> >

> >