Guest guest Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 , I love that tee shirt. It is quite fitting and it says it all. I think I'll get my husband one. Thank you for the link. Sheila --------- Re: old mens disease Hi , (First a disclaimer the below is wrote by a guy 60 year young man on ADT3 whose side effects might be altering my thinking. me) Just needed to give another 2-cents worth. I am a member of CancerCare support group. In the two years of being a member , we have four sessions a year and have maybe 6 to 12 men in the group. I would have to say us prostate cancer guys usually outnumber the other cancers because they are open to all different cancers. Right now we have eight prostate cancers, two esophageal cancers, one rectal cancer, one pancreas cancer . I am the oldest at age 60. We have lost two members this year alone and they were 56 and 57 I believe. Another guy is 54 and his psa is now 1200 he has gone from germany, to mexico, to california, and now tulsa oklahoma for treatment which has failed again. He is currently pondering going to either back to germany , korea, or some other places. He went from stage 1 and they thought they got it all to stage 4. We have another member in the same boat and he says the bad news I am stage 4 the good news is I am stage 4 I did not h ave to go through all those other stages you guys are going through. Maybe we are just a minority of people but we are just as important. I never understand when people argue on these sites that " my opinion is better than yours " . Our members live life to it fullest and never and I mean never argue about treatments. We talk about cancer but mostly we talk about living and we tell jokes to each other. When one member is not participating for just a few days everyone is asking about him. My father just passed and they made a folder just for him and everyone felt he was a member because I talked about him so much. Anyway to get back on the subject, if all of us young members would have known more about aggressive cancers and if my doctor had not missed my diagnosis since my psa never went higher than 1.8 then maybe we could be like the old men and die of something else instead of prostate cancer. some of our slogans are enjoying life with a big cup of awe. and CCKMA ( cancer can kiss my ass ) I apologize for the profanity. Just my thoughts, Laurel <LaurelFaceaol (DOT) com> wrote: Hi Terry, I really don't want to quibble with you. I consider you a friend, and support your advocacy of active surveillance. You said,prostate cancer is an old mens disease, It is in fact - at least as far as killing men is concerned. The median age for death from the disease is still in the mid-80s as it was before the PSA era began. In other words more than half the men who die from PCa are over 80 years of age – and I think most people (other than men over 80) would regard men of 80 as old men. The disease specific mortality rate only really starts climbing after age 70. PCa death under the age of 40 is statistically zero. Check out the SEER site for more detailed information.I say,Having a disease is not the same as dying from a disease. I went to the protonbob site where one can categorize the charts using different criteria. There are now over 4,000 prostate cancer patients who have joined. There is no requirement to join if one has been treated at Loma . I checked on the membership by age when treated.I estimated that there are 900 members who were treated, in the age group of 40-60. I stopped checking at age 60. Dan Fogleberg's widow would probably take exception to your statements about prostate cancer being an old mens disease. The well known singer died a short time ago at the age of 56.Laurel()-- Emersonwww.flhw.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 , I love that tee shirt. It is quite fitting and it says it all. I think I'll get my husband one. Thank you for the link. Sheila --------- Re: old mens disease Hi , (First a disclaimer the below is wrote by a guy 60 year young man on ADT3 whose side effects might be altering my thinking. me) Just needed to give another 2-cents worth. I am a member of CancerCare support group. In the two years of being a member , we have four sessions a year and have maybe 6 to 12 men in the group. I would have to say us prostate cancer guys usually outnumber the other cancers because they are open to all different cancers. Right now we have eight prostate cancers, two esophageal cancers, one rectal cancer, one pancreas cancer . I am the oldest at age 60. We have lost two members this year alone and they were 56 and 57 I believe. Another guy is 54 and his psa is now 1200 he has gone from germany, to mexico, to california, and now tulsa oklahoma for treatment which has failed again. He is currently pondering going to either back to germany , korea, or some other places. He went from stage 1 and they thought they got it all to stage 4. We have another member in the same boat and he says the bad news I am stage 4 the good news is I am stage 4 I did not h ave to go through all those other stages you guys are going through. Maybe we are just a minority of people but we are just as important. I never understand when people argue on these sites that " my opinion is better than yours " . Our members live life to it fullest and never and I mean never argue about treatments. We talk about cancer but mostly we talk about living and we tell jokes to each other. When one member is not participating for just a few days everyone is asking about him. My father just passed and they made a folder just for him and everyone felt he was a member because I talked about him so much. Anyway to get back on the subject, if all of us young members would have known more about aggressive cancers and if my doctor had not missed my diagnosis since my psa never went higher than 1.8 then maybe we could be like the old men and die of something else instead of prostate cancer. some of our slogans are enjoying life with a big cup of awe. and CCKMA ( cancer can kiss my ass ) I apologize for the profanity. Just my thoughts, Laurel <LaurelFaceaol (DOT) com> wrote: Hi Terry, I really don't want to quibble with you. I consider you a friend, and support your advocacy of active surveillance. You said,prostate cancer is an old mens disease, It is in fact - at least as far as killing men is concerned. The median age for death from the disease is still in the mid-80s as it was before the PSA era began. In other words more than half the men who die from PCa are over 80 years of age – and I think most people (other than men over 80) would regard men of 80 as old men. The disease specific mortality rate only really starts climbing after age 70. PCa death under the age of 40 is statistically zero. Check out the SEER site for more detailed information.I say,Having a disease is not the same as dying from a disease. I went to the protonbob site where one can categorize the charts using different criteria. There are now over 4,000 prostate cancer patients who have joined. There is no requirement to join if one has been treated at Loma . I checked on the membership by age when treated.I estimated that there are 900 members who were treated, in the age group of 40-60. I stopped checking at age 60. Dan Fogleberg's widow would probably take exception to your statements about prostate cancer being an old mens disease. The well known singer died a short time ago at the age of 56.Laurel()-- Emersonwww.flhw.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Specifically. PCCKMA Fuller Hi Terry, I really don't want to quibble with you. I consider you a friend, and support your advocacy of active surveillance. You said,prostate cancer is an old mens disease, It is in fact - at least as far as killing men is concerned. The median age for death from the disease is still in the mid-80s as it was before the PSA era began. In other words more than half the men who die from PCa are over 80 years of age – and I think most people (other than men over 80) would regard men of 80 as old men. The disease specific mortality rate only really starts climbing after age 70. PCa death under the age of 40 is statistically zero. Check out the SEER site for more detailed information.I say,Having a disease is not the same as dying from a disease. I went to the protonbob site where one can categorize the charts using different criteria. There are now over 4,000 prostate cancer patients who have joined. There is no requirement to join if one has been treated at Loma . I checked on the membership by age when treated.I estimated that there are 900 members who were treated, in the age group of 40-60. I stopped checking at age 60. Dan Fogleberg's widow would probably take exception to your statements about prostate cancer being an old mens disease. The well known singer died a short time ago at the age of 56.Laurel()-- Emersonwww.flhw.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2008 Report Share Posted August 3, 2008 Specifically. PCCKMA Fuller Hi Terry, I really don't want to quibble with you. I consider you a friend, and support your advocacy of active surveillance. You said,prostate cancer is an old mens disease, It is in fact - at least as far as killing men is concerned. The median age for death from the disease is still in the mid-80s as it was before the PSA era began. In other words more than half the men who die from PCa are over 80 years of age – and I think most people (other than men over 80) would regard men of 80 as old men. The disease specific mortality rate only really starts climbing after age 70. PCa death under the age of 40 is statistically zero. Check out the SEER site for more detailed information.I say,Having a disease is not the same as dying from a disease. I went to the protonbob site where one can categorize the charts using different criteria. There are now over 4,000 prostate cancer patients who have joined. There is no requirement to join if one has been treated at Loma . I checked on the membership by age when treated.I estimated that there are 900 members who were treated, in the age group of 40-60. I stopped checking at age 60. Dan Fogleberg's widow would probably take exception to your statements about prostate cancer being an old mens disease. The well known singer died a short time ago at the age of 56.Laurel()-- Emersonwww.flhw.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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