Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Let's all calm down a bit. There are probably many reasons that we have health care vacationers. Remember that there are also many, many Americans who go abroad for health care. To delve into the reasons for doing so is far beyond the scope of this discussion. To believe that simply because someone speaks a different language means one does not deserve to be in the United States is incorrect. Lois, perhaps some of those who speak other languages are residents. Should we decide who gets care based on a language test? Please start by reviewing this information: http://www.prevent.org/content/view/195 We will never have a meaningful discussion if we cannot leave the rhetoric behind. Pam Charney pcharney@... " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get is all you ever got " - Anonymous Pam Charney pcharney@... " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get is all you ever got " - Anonymous > I rarely chime in on this list, but this is one topic that needs > discussion at every level -- personal /*and*/ professional. > > As a dietitian at Dana Farber Cancer Center way back in the 1970's, I > would estimate that approximately 1/2 of all patients being treated > were > residents of countries /other/ than the United States. > > When my daughter was a student at Rice University, from 2000-2004, in > Houston (which is directly across from the HUGE Texas Medical Center), > most of the people staying in the hotels when we visited were from > Saudi > Arabia--every single one of them was either a patient or relative of a > patient in one of the 40+ medical institutions in that complex. They > were all obviously very wealthy--they could have spent their oil > billions anywhere in the world. Why did they choose the USA if our > care > is so bad? > > As a resident of Massachusetts, I have had the 'pleasure' of being a > patient at Mass General, Tufts Medical Center, Boston Medical Center > and > Lahey Clinic. I hear a LOT of foreign languages being spoken in > waiting > rooms--and most of it ISN'T Spanish. Mass General's entrance lists > instructions in about 20 different languages. We have a few people > left > in Massachusetts that DO speak English, so why so many languages? Gee, > I wonder if it's for the people coming from other countries for care? > > Please, someone tell me, from PERSONAL experience -- just exactly > which > country has BETTER medical care than we do?! > > Many insurance regulations stink, are unreasonable and exist solely to > help the insurance industry 'flourish', but why doesn't Congress start > there, rather than dismantling a system that really does work better > than anywhere else? > > Lois Black > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Let's all calm down a bit. There are probably many reasons that we have health care vacationers. Remember that there are also many, many Americans who go abroad for health care. To delve into the reasons for doing so is far beyond the scope of this discussion. To believe that simply because someone speaks a different language means one does not deserve to be in the United States is incorrect. Lois, perhaps some of those who speak other languages are residents. Should we decide who gets care based on a language test? Please start by reviewing this information: http://www.prevent.org/content/view/195 We will never have a meaningful discussion if we cannot leave the rhetoric behind. Pam Charney pcharney@... " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get is all you ever got " - Anonymous Pam Charney pcharney@... " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get is all you ever got " - Anonymous > I rarely chime in on this list, but this is one topic that needs > discussion at every level -- personal /*and*/ professional. > > As a dietitian at Dana Farber Cancer Center way back in the 1970's, I > would estimate that approximately 1/2 of all patients being treated > were > residents of countries /other/ than the United States. > > When my daughter was a student at Rice University, from 2000-2004, in > Houston (which is directly across from the HUGE Texas Medical Center), > most of the people staying in the hotels when we visited were from > Saudi > Arabia--every single one of them was either a patient or relative of a > patient in one of the 40+ medical institutions in that complex. They > were all obviously very wealthy--they could have spent their oil > billions anywhere in the world. Why did they choose the USA if our > care > is so bad? > > As a resident of Massachusetts, I have had the 'pleasure' of being a > patient at Mass General, Tufts Medical Center, Boston Medical Center > and > Lahey Clinic. I hear a LOT of foreign languages being spoken in > waiting > rooms--and most of it ISN'T Spanish. Mass General's entrance lists > instructions in about 20 different languages. We have a few people > left > in Massachusetts that DO speak English, so why so many languages? Gee, > I wonder if it's for the people coming from other countries for care? > > Please, someone tell me, from PERSONAL experience -- just exactly > which > country has BETTER medical care than we do?! > > Many insurance regulations stink, are unreasonable and exist solely to > help the insurance industry 'flourish', but why doesn't Congress start > there, rather than dismantling a system that really does work better > than anywhere else? > > Lois Black > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Let's all calm down a bit. There are probably many reasons that we have health care vacationers. Remember that there are also many, many Americans who go abroad for health care. To delve into the reasons for doing so is far beyond the scope of this discussion. To believe that simply because someone speaks a different language means one does not deserve to be in the United States is incorrect. Lois, perhaps some of those who speak other languages are residents. Should we decide who gets care based on a language test? Please start by reviewing this information: http://www.prevent.org/content/view/195 We will never have a meaningful discussion if we cannot leave the rhetoric behind. Pam Charney pcharney@... " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get is all you ever got " - Anonymous Pam Charney pcharney@... " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get is all you ever got " - Anonymous > I rarely chime in on this list, but this is one topic that needs > discussion at every level -- personal /*and*/ professional. > > As a dietitian at Dana Farber Cancer Center way back in the 1970's, I > would estimate that approximately 1/2 of all patients being treated > were > residents of countries /other/ than the United States. > > When my daughter was a student at Rice University, from 2000-2004, in > Houston (which is directly across from the HUGE Texas Medical Center), > most of the people staying in the hotels when we visited were from > Saudi > Arabia--every single one of them was either a patient or relative of a > patient in one of the 40+ medical institutions in that complex. They > were all obviously very wealthy--they could have spent their oil > billions anywhere in the world. Why did they choose the USA if our > care > is so bad? > > As a resident of Massachusetts, I have had the 'pleasure' of being a > patient at Mass General, Tufts Medical Center, Boston Medical Center > and > Lahey Clinic. I hear a LOT of foreign languages being spoken in > waiting > rooms--and most of it ISN'T Spanish. Mass General's entrance lists > instructions in about 20 different languages. We have a few people > left > in Massachusetts that DO speak English, so why so many languages? Gee, > I wonder if it's for the people coming from other countries for care? > > Please, someone tell me, from PERSONAL experience -- just exactly > which > country has BETTER medical care than we do?! > > Many insurance regulations stink, are unreasonable and exist solely to > help the insurance industry 'flourish', but why doesn't Congress start > there, rather than dismantling a system that really does work better > than anywhere else? > > Lois Black > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 I work with many illegals at WIC and love them as people but they are still here illegally (almost all from Mexico). We also get legal refugees, lately quite a few from Afghanistan and Iraq but many also from African nations, Russia, etc. The second group is here legally. When the pregnant illegals come here they automatically get healthcare for their pregnancy and then their children, born here, are natural born citizens so they get Medicaid. They are all eligible to get WIC. So lots of your tax dollars are going for health care and social services already for illegals. > > > Let's all calm down a bit. There are probably many reasons that we > have health care vacationers. Remember that there are also many, many > Americans who go abroad for health care. To delve into the reasons for > doing so is far beyond the scope of this discussion. > > To believe that simply because someone speaks a different language > means one does not deserve to be in the United States is incorrect. > Lois, perhaps some of those who speak other languages are residents. > Should we decide who gets care based on a language test? > > Please start by reviewing this information: > http://www.prevent.org/content/view/195 > > We will never have a meaningful discussion if we cannot leave the > rhetoric behind. > > Pam Charney > pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com> > > " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get > is all you ever got " - Anonymous > > Pam Charney > pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com> > > " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get > is all you ever got " - Anonymous > > > > > I rarely chime in on this list, but this is one topic that needs > > discussion at every level -- personal /*and*/ professional. > > > > As a dietitian at Dana Farber Cancer Center way back in the 1970's, I > > would estimate that approximately 1/2 of all patients being treated > > were > > residents of countries /other/ than the United States. > > > > When my daughter was a student at Rice University, from 2000-2004, in > > Houston (which is directly across from the HUGE Texas Medical Center), > > most of the people staying in the hotels when we visited were from > > Saudi > > Arabia--every single one of them was either a patient or relative of a > > patient in one of the 40+ medical institutions in that complex. They > > were all obviously very wealthy--they could have spent their oil > > billions anywhere in the world. Why did they choose the USA if our > > care > > is so bad? > > > > As a resident of Massachusetts, I have had the 'pleasure' of being a > > patient at Mass General, Tufts Medical Center, Boston Medical Center > > and > > Lahey Clinic. I hear a LOT of foreign languages being spoken in > > waiting > > rooms--and most of it ISN'T Spanish. Mass General's entrance lists > > instructions in about 20 different languages. We have a few people > > left > > in Massachusetts that DO speak English, so why so many languages? Gee, > > I wonder if it's for the people coming from other countries for care? > > > > Please, someone tell me, from PERSONAL experience -- just exactly > > which > > country has BETTER medical care than we do?! > > > > Many insurance regulations stink, are unreasonable and exist solely to > > help the insurance industry 'flourish', but why doesn't Congress start > > there, rather than dismantling a system that really does work better > > than anywhere else? > > > > Lois Black > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 I work with many illegals at WIC and love them as people but they are still here illegally (almost all from Mexico). We also get legal refugees, lately quite a few from Afghanistan and Iraq but many also from African nations, Russia, etc. The second group is here legally. When the pregnant illegals come here they automatically get healthcare for their pregnancy and then their children, born here, are natural born citizens so they get Medicaid. They are all eligible to get WIC. So lots of your tax dollars are going for health care and social services already for illegals. > > > Let's all calm down a bit. There are probably many reasons that we > have health care vacationers. Remember that there are also many, many > Americans who go abroad for health care. To delve into the reasons for > doing so is far beyond the scope of this discussion. > > To believe that simply because someone speaks a different language > means one does not deserve to be in the United States is incorrect. > Lois, perhaps some of those who speak other languages are residents. > Should we decide who gets care based on a language test? > > Please start by reviewing this information: > http://www.prevent.org/content/view/195 > > We will never have a meaningful discussion if we cannot leave the > rhetoric behind. > > Pam Charney > pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com> > > " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get > is all you ever got " - Anonymous > > Pam Charney > pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com> > > " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get > is all you ever got " - Anonymous > > > > > I rarely chime in on this list, but this is one topic that needs > > discussion at every level -- personal /*and*/ professional. > > > > As a dietitian at Dana Farber Cancer Center way back in the 1970's, I > > would estimate that approximately 1/2 of all patients being treated > > were > > residents of countries /other/ than the United States. > > > > When my daughter was a student at Rice University, from 2000-2004, in > > Houston (which is directly across from the HUGE Texas Medical Center), > > most of the people staying in the hotels when we visited were from > > Saudi > > Arabia--every single one of them was either a patient or relative of a > > patient in one of the 40+ medical institutions in that complex. They > > were all obviously very wealthy--they could have spent their oil > > billions anywhere in the world. Why did they choose the USA if our > > care > > is so bad? > > > > As a resident of Massachusetts, I have had the 'pleasure' of being a > > patient at Mass General, Tufts Medical Center, Boston Medical Center > > and > > Lahey Clinic. I hear a LOT of foreign languages being spoken in > > waiting > > rooms--and most of it ISN'T Spanish. Mass General's entrance lists > > instructions in about 20 different languages. We have a few people > > left > > in Massachusetts that DO speak English, so why so many languages? Gee, > > I wonder if it's for the people coming from other countries for care? > > > > Please, someone tell me, from PERSONAL experience -- just exactly > > which > > country has BETTER medical care than we do?! > > > > Many insurance regulations stink, are unreasonable and exist solely to > > help the insurance industry 'flourish', but why doesn't Congress start > > there, rather than dismantling a system that really does work better > > than anywhere else? > > > > Lois Black > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Lois by no means said that because someone speaks a different language they do not deserve to be in the US. However, anyone receiving health care should be a US citizen or legal resident. The point is many foreigners are coming here for health care. They have a great deal of disposable income and could go anywhere else in the world. I am not aware of many, many Americans going to other countries for health care - except for treatments and procedures not approved by the FDA, etc. Kathy Kathy C. Fielding, RD, LD Registered/Licensed Dietitian Nutritionist Natural Health Concepts Preventive Health Strategies & Wellness, Complementary & Alternative Medicine Bios Life Slim Lose Body Fat & Inches Naturally! Lower Cholesterol Naturally! www.bioslifeslim/kayceefielding _____ From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Pam Charney Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 5:54 PM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Re:Healthcare Reform Let's all calm down a bit. There are probably many reasons that we have health care vacationers. Remember that there are also many, many Americans who go abroad for health care. To delve into the reasons for doing so is far beyond the scope of this discussion. To believe that simply because someone speaks a different language means one does not deserve to be in the United States is incorrect. Lois, perhaps some of those who speak other languages are residents. Should we decide who gets care based on a language test? Please start by reviewing this information: http://www.prevent. <http://www.prevent.org/content/view/195> org/content/view/195 We will never have a meaningful discussion if we cannot leave the rhetoric behind. Pam Charney pcharneymac (DOT) <mailto:pcharney%40mac.com> com " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get is all you ever got " - Anonymous Pam Charney pcharneymac (DOT) <mailto:pcharney%40mac.com> com " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get is all you ever got " - Anonymous > I rarely chime in on this list, but this is one topic that needs > discussion at every level -- personal /*and*/ professional. > > As a dietitian at Dana Farber Cancer Center way back in the 1970's, I > would estimate that approximately 1/2 of all patients being treated > were > residents of countries /other/ than the United States. > > When my daughter was a student at Rice University, from 2000-2004, in > Houston (which is directly across from the HUGE Texas Medical Center), > most of the people staying in the hotels when we visited were from > Saudi > Arabia--every single one of them was either a patient or relative of a > patient in one of the 40+ medical institutions in that complex. They > were all obviously very wealthy--they could have spent their oil > billions anywhere in the world. Why did they choose the USA if our > care > is so bad? > > As a resident of Massachusetts, I have had the 'pleasure' of being a > patient at Mass General, Tufts Medical Center, Boston Medical Center > and > Lahey Clinic. I hear a LOT of foreign languages being spoken in > waiting > rooms--and most of it ISN'T Spanish. Mass General's entrance lists > instructions in about 20 different languages. We have a few people > left > in Massachusetts that DO speak English, so why so many languages? Gee, > I wonder if it's for the people coming from other countries for care? > > Please, someone tell me, from PERSONAL experience -- just exactly > which > country has BETTER medical care than we do?! > > Many insurance regulations stink, are unreasonable and exist solely to > help the insurance industry 'flourish', but why doesn't Congress start > there, rather than dismantling a system that really does work better > than anywhere else? > > Lois Black > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 Granted, people here illegally shouldn't be privvy to all the benefits. But what would you have happen, let the babies suffer by not having proper care? Just wondering what the alternative is... > > > I work with many illegals at WIC and love them as people but they are still > here illegally (almost all from Mexico). We also get legal refugees, lately > quite a few from Afghanistan and Iraq but many also from African nations, > Russia, etc. The second group is here legally. > > When the pregnant illegals come here they automatically get healthcare for > their pregnancy and then their children, born here, are natural born > citizens so they get Medicaid. They are all eligible to get WIC. So lots of > your tax dollars are going for health care and social services already for > illegals. > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Pam Charney <pcharney@...<pcharney%40mac.com>> > wrote: > > > > > > > Let's all calm down a bit. There are probably many reasons that we > > have health care vacationers. Remember that there are also many, many > > Americans who go abroad for health care. To delve into the reasons for > > doing so is far beyond the scope of this discussion. > > > > To believe that simply because someone speaks a different language > > means one does not deserve to be in the United States is incorrect. > > Lois, perhaps some of those who speak other languages are residents. > > Should we decide who gets care based on a language test? > > > > Please start by reviewing this information: > > http://www.prevent.org/content/view/195 > > > > We will never have a meaningful discussion if we cannot leave the > > rhetoric behind. > > > > Pam Charney > > pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com> <pcharney%40mac.com> > > > > " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get > > is all you ever got " - Anonymous > > > > Pam Charney > > pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com> <pcharney%40mac.com> > > > > > " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get > > is all you ever got " - Anonymous > > > > > > > > > I rarely chime in on this list, but this is one topic that needs > > > discussion at every level -- personal /*and*/ professional. > > > > > > As a dietitian at Dana Farber Cancer Center way back in the 1970's, I > > > would estimate that approximately 1/2 of all patients being treated > > > were > > > residents of countries /other/ than the United States. > > > > > > When my daughter was a student at Rice University, from 2000-2004, in > > > Houston (which is directly across from the HUGE Texas Medical Center), > > > most of the people staying in the hotels when we visited were from > > > Saudi > > > Arabia--every single one of them was either a patient or relative of a > > > patient in one of the 40+ medical institutions in that complex. They > > > were all obviously very wealthy--they could have spent their oil > > > billions anywhere in the world. Why did they choose the USA if our > > > care > > > is so bad? > > > > > > As a resident of Massachusetts, I have had the 'pleasure' of being a > > > patient at Mass General, Tufts Medical Center, Boston Medical Center > > > and > > > Lahey Clinic. I hear a LOT of foreign languages being spoken in > > > waiting > > > rooms--and most of it ISN'T Spanish. Mass General's entrance lists > > > instructions in about 20 different languages. We have a few people > > > left > > > in Massachusetts that DO speak English, so why so many languages? Gee, > > > I wonder if it's for the people coming from other countries for care? > > > > > > Please, someone tell me, from PERSONAL experience -- just exactly > > > which > > > country has BETTER medical care than we do?! > > > > > > Many insurance regulations stink, are unreasonable and exist solely to > > > help the insurance industry 'flourish', but why doesn't Congress start > > > there, rather than dismantling a system that really does work better > > > than anywhere else? > > > > > > Lois Black > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 That is the reason they are allowed benefits....it is ironic we have one gov't service that is trying to " find them " and send them back while there is another that has their address and phone number and thus " hiding " them and giving them care. > > > Granted, people here illegally shouldn't be privvy to all the benefits. > But what would you have happen, let the babies suffer by not having proper > care? > Just wondering what the alternative is... > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Ortiz <nrord1@...<nrord1%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > > > > > I work with many illegals at WIC and love them as people but they are > still > > here illegally (almost all from Mexico). We also get legal refugees, > lately > > quite a few from Afghanistan and Iraq but many also from African nations, > > Russia, etc. The second group is here legally. > > > > When the pregnant illegals come here they automatically get healthcare > for > > their pregnancy and then their children, born here, are natural born > > citizens so they get Medicaid. They are all eligible to get WIC. So lots > of > > your tax dollars are going for health care and social services already > for > > illegals. > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Pam Charney <pcharney@...<pcharney%40mac.com> > <pcharney%40mac.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Let's all calm down a bit. There are probably many reasons that we > > > have health care vacationers. Remember that there are also many, many > > > Americans who go abroad for health care. To delve into the reasons for > > > doing so is far beyond the scope of this discussion. > > > > > > To believe that simply because someone speaks a different language > > > means one does not deserve to be in the United States is incorrect. > > > Lois, perhaps some of those who speak other languages are residents. > > > Should we decide who gets care based on a language test? > > > > > > Please start by reviewing this information: > > > http://www.prevent.org/content/view/195 > > > > > > We will never have a meaningful discussion if we cannot leave the > > > rhetoric behind. > > > > > > Pam Charney > > > pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com> <pcharney%40mac.com> <pcharney% > 40mac.com> > > > > > > " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get > > > is all you ever got " - Anonymous > > > > > > Pam Charney > > > pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com> <pcharney%40mac.com> <pcharney% > 40mac.com> > > > > > > > > > " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get > > > is all you ever got " - Anonymous > > > > > > > > > > > > > I rarely chime in on this list, but this is one topic that needs > > > > discussion at every level -- personal /*and*/ professional. > > > > > > > > As a dietitian at Dana Farber Cancer Center way back in the 1970's, I > > > > would estimate that approximately 1/2 of all patients being treated > > > > were > > > > residents of countries /other/ than the United States. > > > > > > > > When my daughter was a student at Rice University, from 2000-2004, in > > > > Houston (which is directly across from the HUGE Texas Medical > Center), > > > > most of the people staying in the hotels when we visited were from > > > > Saudi > > > > Arabia--every single one of them was either a patient or relative of > a > > > > patient in one of the 40+ medical institutions in that complex. They > > > > were all obviously very wealthy--they could have spent their oil > > > > billions anywhere in the world. Why did they choose the USA if our > > > > care > > > > is so bad? > > > > > > > > As a resident of Massachusetts, I have had the 'pleasure' of being a > > > > patient at Mass General, Tufts Medical Center, Boston Medical Center > > > > and > > > > Lahey Clinic. I hear a LOT of foreign languages being spoken in > > > > waiting > > > > rooms--and most of it ISN'T Spanish. Mass General's entrance lists > > > > instructions in about 20 different languages. We have a few people > > > > left > > > > in Massachusetts that DO speak English, so why so many languages? > Gee, > > > > I wonder if it's for the people coming from other countries for care? > > > > > > > > Please, someone tell me, from PERSONAL experience -- just exactly > > > > which > > > > country has BETTER medical care than we do?! > > > > > > > > Many insurance regulations stink, are unreasonable and exist solely > to > > > > help the insurance industry 'flourish', but why doesn't Congress > start > > > > there, rather than dismantling a system that really does work better > > > > than anywhere else? > > > > > > > > Lois Black > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 That is the reason they are allowed benefits....it is ironic we have one gov't service that is trying to " find them " and send them back while there is another that has their address and phone number and thus " hiding " them and giving them care. > > > Granted, people here illegally shouldn't be privvy to all the benefits. > But what would you have happen, let the babies suffer by not having proper > care? > Just wondering what the alternative is... > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Ortiz <nrord1@...<nrord1%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > > > > > I work with many illegals at WIC and love them as people but they are > still > > here illegally (almost all from Mexico). We also get legal refugees, > lately > > quite a few from Afghanistan and Iraq but many also from African nations, > > Russia, etc. The second group is here legally. > > > > When the pregnant illegals come here they automatically get healthcare > for > > their pregnancy and then their children, born here, are natural born > > citizens so they get Medicaid. They are all eligible to get WIC. So lots > of > > your tax dollars are going for health care and social services already > for > > illegals. > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Pam Charney <pcharney@...<pcharney%40mac.com> > <pcharney%40mac.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Let's all calm down a bit. There are probably many reasons that we > > > have health care vacationers. Remember that there are also many, many > > > Americans who go abroad for health care. To delve into the reasons for > > > doing so is far beyond the scope of this discussion. > > > > > > To believe that simply because someone speaks a different language > > > means one does not deserve to be in the United States is incorrect. > > > Lois, perhaps some of those who speak other languages are residents. > > > Should we decide who gets care based on a language test? > > > > > > Please start by reviewing this information: > > > http://www.prevent.org/content/view/195 > > > > > > We will never have a meaningful discussion if we cannot leave the > > > rhetoric behind. > > > > > > Pam Charney > > > pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com> <pcharney%40mac.com> <pcharney% > 40mac.com> > > > > > > " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get > > > is all you ever got " - Anonymous > > > > > > Pam Charney > > > pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com> <pcharney%40mac.com> <pcharney% > 40mac.com> > > > > > > > > > " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get > > > is all you ever got " - Anonymous > > > > > > > > > > > > > I rarely chime in on this list, but this is one topic that needs > > > > discussion at every level -- personal /*and*/ professional. > > > > > > > > As a dietitian at Dana Farber Cancer Center way back in the 1970's, I > > > > would estimate that approximately 1/2 of all patients being treated > > > > were > > > > residents of countries /other/ than the United States. > > > > > > > > When my daughter was a student at Rice University, from 2000-2004, in > > > > Houston (which is directly across from the HUGE Texas Medical > Center), > > > > most of the people staying in the hotels when we visited were from > > > > Saudi > > > > Arabia--every single one of them was either a patient or relative of > a > > > > patient in one of the 40+ medical institutions in that complex. They > > > > were all obviously very wealthy--they could have spent their oil > > > > billions anywhere in the world. Why did they choose the USA if our > > > > care > > > > is so bad? > > > > > > > > As a resident of Massachusetts, I have had the 'pleasure' of being a > > > > patient at Mass General, Tufts Medical Center, Boston Medical Center > > > > and > > > > Lahey Clinic. I hear a LOT of foreign languages being spoken in > > > > waiting > > > > rooms--and most of it ISN'T Spanish. Mass General's entrance lists > > > > instructions in about 20 different languages. We have a few people > > > > left > > > > in Massachusetts that DO speak English, so why so many languages? > Gee, > > > > I wonder if it's for the people coming from other countries for care? > > > > > > > > Please, someone tell me, from PERSONAL experience -- just exactly > > > > which > > > > country has BETTER medical care than we do?! > > > > > > > > Many insurance regulations stink, are unreasonable and exist solely > to > > > > help the insurance industry 'flourish', but why doesn't Congress > start > > > > there, rather than dismantling a system that really does work better > > > > than anywhere else? > > > > > > > > Lois Black > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 That is the reason they are allowed benefits....it is ironic we have one gov't service that is trying to " find them " and send them back while there is another that has their address and phone number and thus " hiding " them and giving them care. > > > Granted, people here illegally shouldn't be privvy to all the benefits. > But what would you have happen, let the babies suffer by not having proper > care? > Just wondering what the alternative is... > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Ortiz <nrord1@...<nrord1%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > > > > > I work with many illegals at WIC and love them as people but they are > still > > here illegally (almost all from Mexico). We also get legal refugees, > lately > > quite a few from Afghanistan and Iraq but many also from African nations, > > Russia, etc. The second group is here legally. > > > > When the pregnant illegals come here they automatically get healthcare > for > > their pregnancy and then their children, born here, are natural born > > citizens so they get Medicaid. They are all eligible to get WIC. So lots > of > > your tax dollars are going for health care and social services already > for > > illegals. > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Pam Charney <pcharney@...<pcharney%40mac.com> > <pcharney%40mac.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Let's all calm down a bit. There are probably many reasons that we > > > have health care vacationers. Remember that there are also many, many > > > Americans who go abroad for health care. To delve into the reasons for > > > doing so is far beyond the scope of this discussion. > > > > > > To believe that simply because someone speaks a different language > > > means one does not deserve to be in the United States is incorrect. > > > Lois, perhaps some of those who speak other languages are residents. > > > Should we decide who gets care based on a language test? > > > > > > Please start by reviewing this information: > > > http://www.prevent.org/content/view/195 > > > > > > We will never have a meaningful discussion if we cannot leave the > > > rhetoric behind. > > > > > > Pam Charney > > > pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com> <pcharney%40mac.com> <pcharney% > 40mac.com> > > > > > > " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get > > > is all you ever got " - Anonymous > > > > > > Pam Charney > > > pcharney@... <pcharney%40mac.com> <pcharney%40mac.com> <pcharney% > 40mac.com> > > > > > > > > > " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get > > > is all you ever got " - Anonymous > > > > > > > > > > > > > I rarely chime in on this list, but this is one topic that needs > > > > discussion at every level -- personal /*and*/ professional. > > > > > > > > As a dietitian at Dana Farber Cancer Center way back in the 1970's, I > > > > would estimate that approximately 1/2 of all patients being treated > > > > were > > > > residents of countries /other/ than the United States. > > > > > > > > When my daughter was a student at Rice University, from 2000-2004, in > > > > Houston (which is directly across from the HUGE Texas Medical > Center), > > > > most of the people staying in the hotels when we visited were from > > > > Saudi > > > > Arabia--every single one of them was either a patient or relative of > a > > > > patient in one of the 40+ medical institutions in that complex. They > > > > were all obviously very wealthy--they could have spent their oil > > > > billions anywhere in the world. Why did they choose the USA if our > > > > care > > > > is so bad? > > > > > > > > As a resident of Massachusetts, I have had the 'pleasure' of being a > > > > patient at Mass General, Tufts Medical Center, Boston Medical Center > > > > and > > > > Lahey Clinic. I hear a LOT of foreign languages being spoken in > > > > waiting > > > > rooms--and most of it ISN'T Spanish. Mass General's entrance lists > > > > instructions in about 20 different languages. We have a few people > > > > left > > > > in Massachusetts that DO speak English, so why so many languages? > Gee, > > > > I wonder if it's for the people coming from other countries for care? > > > > > > > > Please, someone tell me, from PERSONAL experience -- just exactly > > > > which > > > > country has BETTER medical care than we do?! > > > > > > > > Many insurance regulations stink, are unreasonable and exist solely > to > > > > help the insurance industry 'flourish', but why doesn't Congress > start > > > > there, rather than dismantling a system that really does work better > > > > than anywhere else? > > > > > > > > Lois Black > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 my feelings exactly - well put! ________________________________ To: rd-usa Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:07:20 PM Subject: Re:Healthcare Reform  What a lively interesting discussion on healthcare reform! Of course, I must get my two cents in as well. 1.) We have wonderful healthcare for those who have access and/or can afford it. 2.)Our pitiful outcomes related to other countries are because not everyone has access. 3.) I read an interesting article recently about people going to Costa Rica and India for healthcare because it was cheaper and just as good. 4.) Yes, there is a lot of waste and expense in healthcare because of lawsuits and government intervention. 5.) There are some great provisions in the bill about accountablity for individuals as well as healthcare providers as well as prevention. 6.) If people were a little more realistic about what " end of life means " and didn't expect doctors to be able to fix anything and everything perhaps we wouldn't be wasting money on giving treatments and tests that have no benefit just because we can and the doctor doesn't want a lawsuit. 7.) If healthcare providers would accept cash payments that are equivalent to what the insurance company pays for care perhaps more people could afford to self insure or avoid bankruptcy. I asked a hospital financial officer about this and was told that in our state it wasn't legal, because of laws pushed through by insurance companies. 8.) The wasting of unopened unused medications that occurs in healthcare facilities every month as required by law is obscene. 9.) It doesn't really matter what the numbers are; 36 million or 47 million uninsured, it is still too many. 10.) I know I pay for free healthcare for illegal aliens now and I think it should stop, not continue. Where else in the world can you just show up and receive care? We can't care for everyone and we need to take care of our citiziens first. 10.) My biggest concern about the proposed bill is that the government isn't even doing Medicare or Medicaid or VA medical benefits right now without access issues, waste and fraud. Why should I think that they can manage a newer bigger program when they can't even fix what we currently have? 11.) Why have the Democrats repeatedly said that there isn't a " grassroot " concern about the healthcare reform bill and that it is being created by the Republicans. I think there is a lot of " grass roots " concern and the bill should be about people not politics. Mavis , RDLD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 my feelings exactly - well put! ________________________________ To: rd-usa Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:07:20 PM Subject: Re:Healthcare Reform  What a lively interesting discussion on healthcare reform! Of course, I must get my two cents in as well. 1.) We have wonderful healthcare for those who have access and/or can afford it. 2.)Our pitiful outcomes related to other countries are because not everyone has access. 3.) I read an interesting article recently about people going to Costa Rica and India for healthcare because it was cheaper and just as good. 4.) Yes, there is a lot of waste and expense in healthcare because of lawsuits and government intervention. 5.) There are some great provisions in the bill about accountablity for individuals as well as healthcare providers as well as prevention. 6.) If people were a little more realistic about what " end of life means " and didn't expect doctors to be able to fix anything and everything perhaps we wouldn't be wasting money on giving treatments and tests that have no benefit just because we can and the doctor doesn't want a lawsuit. 7.) If healthcare providers would accept cash payments that are equivalent to what the insurance company pays for care perhaps more people could afford to self insure or avoid bankruptcy. I asked a hospital financial officer about this and was told that in our state it wasn't legal, because of laws pushed through by insurance companies. 8.) The wasting of unopened unused medications that occurs in healthcare facilities every month as required by law is obscene. 9.) It doesn't really matter what the numbers are; 36 million or 47 million uninsured, it is still too many. 10.) I know I pay for free healthcare for illegal aliens now and I think it should stop, not continue. Where else in the world can you just show up and receive care? We can't care for everyone and we need to take care of our citiziens first. 10.) My biggest concern about the proposed bill is that the government isn't even doing Medicare or Medicaid or VA medical benefits right now without access issues, waste and fraud. Why should I think that they can manage a newer bigger program when they can't even fix what we currently have? 11.) Why have the Democrats repeatedly said that there isn't a " grassroot " concern about the healthcare reform bill and that it is being created by the Republicans. I think there is a lot of " grass roots " concern and the bill should be about people not politics. Mavis , RDLD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2009 Report Share Posted August 13, 2009 my feelings exactly - well put! ________________________________ To: rd-usa Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 9:07:20 PM Subject: Re:Healthcare Reform  What a lively interesting discussion on healthcare reform! Of course, I must get my two cents in as well. 1.) We have wonderful healthcare for those who have access and/or can afford it. 2.)Our pitiful outcomes related to other countries are because not everyone has access. 3.) I read an interesting article recently about people going to Costa Rica and India for healthcare because it was cheaper and just as good. 4.) Yes, there is a lot of waste and expense in healthcare because of lawsuits and government intervention. 5.) There are some great provisions in the bill about accountablity for individuals as well as healthcare providers as well as prevention. 6.) If people were a little more realistic about what " end of life means " and didn't expect doctors to be able to fix anything and everything perhaps we wouldn't be wasting money on giving treatments and tests that have no benefit just because we can and the doctor doesn't want a lawsuit. 7.) If healthcare providers would accept cash payments that are equivalent to what the insurance company pays for care perhaps more people could afford to self insure or avoid bankruptcy. I asked a hospital financial officer about this and was told that in our state it wasn't legal, because of laws pushed through by insurance companies. 8.) The wasting of unopened unused medications that occurs in healthcare facilities every month as required by law is obscene. 9.) It doesn't really matter what the numbers are; 36 million or 47 million uninsured, it is still too many. 10.) I know I pay for free healthcare for illegal aliens now and I think it should stop, not continue. Where else in the world can you just show up and receive care? We can't care for everyone and we need to take care of our citiziens first. 10.) My biggest concern about the proposed bill is that the government isn't even doing Medicare or Medicaid or VA medical benefits right now without access issues, waste and fraud. Why should I think that they can manage a newer bigger program when they can't even fix what we currently have? 11.) Why have the Democrats repeatedly said that there isn't a " grassroot " concern about the healthcare reform bill and that it is being created by the Republicans. I think there is a lot of " grass roots " concern and the bill should be about people not politics. Mavis , RDLD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I believe with all of my heart that illegal immigrants (or any non-citizens) should get any gov't benefits! I consider myself fairly liberal but don't agree with my tax dollars going to people who are not citizens!! Not cool. Especially since I didn't qualify for any benefits when I was pregnant with my son years ago. I've worked in one way or another since I was 11 yrs old! Collier, RD/LD Clinical Nutrition Manager Midland Memorial Hospital 2200 West Illinois Midland, TX 79701 leslie.collier@... (fax) (pager) From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Ortiz Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:05 PM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Re:Healthcare Reform I work with many illegals at WIC and love them as people but they are still here illegally (almost all from Mexico). We also get legal refugees, lately quite a few from Afghanistan and Iraq but many also from African nations, Russia, etc. The second group is here legally. When the pregnant illegals come here they automatically get healthcare for their pregnancy and then their children, born here, are natural born citizens so they get Medicaid. They are all eligible to get WIC. So lots of your tax dollars are going for health care and social services already for illegals. On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Pam Charney <pcharney@... <mailto:pcharney%40mac.com> > wrote: > > > Let's all calm down a bit. There are probably many reasons that we > have health care vacationers. Remember that there are also many, many > Americans who go abroad for health care. To delve into the reasons for > doing so is far beyond the scope of this discussion. > > To believe that simply because someone speaks a different language > means one does not deserve to be in the United States is incorrect. > Lois, perhaps some of those who speak other languages are residents. > Should we decide who gets care based on a language test? > > Please start by reviewing this information: > http://www.prevent.org/content/view/195 <http://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?5xBN4sMCMrhpd7aoUsqemjo09qfCvxfw0emH2 vMDxCnCchd7bVK_nKehjusvhvdTdQ-4VRbETKO--MebECzBdUsnhjvKDtwsehbD_g-nZqFVY LysH90_o85RvlH6mDYK2E_dKcashzlJqD5J9RHOVJdYs_sSyC_teX0UsMrppdwLQzh0qmUE5 SWqqnjh02_i2_WvcDro-q80nXJoGCV-7PM76Qjqq9J5Msqemn6hNKP0IHjSRHJI9> > > We will never have a meaningful discussion if we cannot leave the > rhetoric behind. > > Pam Charney > pcharney@... <mailto:pcharney%40mac.com> <pcharney%40mac.com> > > " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get > is all you ever got " - Anonymous > > Pam Charney > pcharney@... <mailto:pcharney%40mac.com> <pcharney%40mac.com> > > " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get > is all you ever got " - Anonymous > > > > > I rarely chime in on this list, but this is one topic that needs > > discussion at every level -- personal /*and*/ professional. > > > > As a dietitian at Dana Farber Cancer Center way back in the 1970's, I > > would estimate that approximately 1/2 of all patients being treated > > were > > residents of countries /other/ than the United States. > > > > When my daughter was a student at Rice University, from 2000-2004, in > > Houston (which is directly across from the HUGE Texas Medical Center), > > most of the people staying in the hotels when we visited were from > > Saudi > > Arabia--every single one of them was either a patient or relative of a > > patient in one of the 40+ medical institutions in that complex. They > > were all obviously very wealthy--they could have spent their oil > > billions anywhere in the world. Why did they choose the USA if our > > care > > is so bad? > > > > As a resident of Massachusetts, I have had the 'pleasure' of being a > > patient at Mass General, Tufts Medical Center, Boston Medical Center > > and > > Lahey Clinic. I hear a LOT of foreign languages being spoken in > > waiting > > rooms--and most of it ISN'T Spanish. Mass General's entrance lists > > instructions in about 20 different languages. We have a few people > > left > > in Massachusetts that DO speak English, so why so many languages? Gee, > > I wonder if it's for the people coming from other countries for care? > > > > Please, someone tell me, from PERSONAL experience -- just exactly > > which > > country has BETTER medical care than we do?! > > > > Many insurance regulations stink, are unreasonable and exist solely to > > help the insurance industry 'flourish', but why doesn't Congress start > > there, rather than dismantling a system that really does work better > > than anywhere else? > > > > Lois Black > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I believe with all of my heart that illegal immigrants (or any non-citizens) should get any gov't benefits! I consider myself fairly liberal but don't agree with my tax dollars going to people who are not citizens!! Not cool. Especially since I didn't qualify for any benefits when I was pregnant with my son years ago. I've worked in one way or another since I was 11 yrs old! Collier, RD/LD Clinical Nutrition Manager Midland Memorial Hospital 2200 West Illinois Midland, TX 79701 leslie.collier@... (fax) (pager) From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Ortiz Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:05 PM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Re:Healthcare Reform I work with many illegals at WIC and love them as people but they are still here illegally (almost all from Mexico). We also get legal refugees, lately quite a few from Afghanistan and Iraq but many also from African nations, Russia, etc. The second group is here legally. When the pregnant illegals come here they automatically get healthcare for their pregnancy and then their children, born here, are natural born citizens so they get Medicaid. They are all eligible to get WIC. So lots of your tax dollars are going for health care and social services already for illegals. On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Pam Charney <pcharney@... <mailto:pcharney%40mac.com> > wrote: > > > Let's all calm down a bit. There are probably many reasons that we > have health care vacationers. Remember that there are also many, many > Americans who go abroad for health care. To delve into the reasons for > doing so is far beyond the scope of this discussion. > > To believe that simply because someone speaks a different language > means one does not deserve to be in the United States is incorrect. > Lois, perhaps some of those who speak other languages are residents. > Should we decide who gets care based on a language test? > > Please start by reviewing this information: > http://www.prevent.org/content/view/195 <http://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?5xBN4sMCMrhpd7aoUsqemjo09qfCvxfw0emH2 vMDxCnCchd7bVK_nKehjusvhvdTdQ-4VRbETKO--MebECzBdUsnhjvKDtwsehbD_g-nZqFVY LysH90_o85RvlH6mDYK2E_dKcashzlJqD5J9RHOVJdYs_sSyC_teX0UsMrppdwLQzh0qmUE5 SWqqnjh02_i2_WvcDro-q80nXJoGCV-7PM76Qjqq9J5Msqemn6hNKP0IHjSRHJI9> > > We will never have a meaningful discussion if we cannot leave the > rhetoric behind. > > Pam Charney > pcharney@... <mailto:pcharney%40mac.com> <pcharney%40mac.com> > > " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get > is all you ever got " - Anonymous > > Pam Charney > pcharney@... <mailto:pcharney%40mac.com> <pcharney%40mac.com> > > " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get > is all you ever got " - Anonymous > > > > > I rarely chime in on this list, but this is one topic that needs > > discussion at every level -- personal /*and*/ professional. > > > > As a dietitian at Dana Farber Cancer Center way back in the 1970's, I > > would estimate that approximately 1/2 of all patients being treated > > were > > residents of countries /other/ than the United States. > > > > When my daughter was a student at Rice University, from 2000-2004, in > > Houston (which is directly across from the HUGE Texas Medical Center), > > most of the people staying in the hotels when we visited were from > > Saudi > > Arabia--every single one of them was either a patient or relative of a > > patient in one of the 40+ medical institutions in that complex. They > > were all obviously very wealthy--they could have spent their oil > > billions anywhere in the world. Why did they choose the USA if our > > care > > is so bad? > > > > As a resident of Massachusetts, I have had the 'pleasure' of being a > > patient at Mass General, Tufts Medical Center, Boston Medical Center > > and > > Lahey Clinic. I hear a LOT of foreign languages being spoken in > > waiting > > rooms--and most of it ISN'T Spanish. Mass General's entrance lists > > instructions in about 20 different languages. We have a few people > > left > > in Massachusetts that DO speak English, so why so many languages? Gee, > > I wonder if it's for the people coming from other countries for care? > > > > Please, someone tell me, from PERSONAL experience -- just exactly > > which > > country has BETTER medical care than we do?! > > > > Many insurance regulations stink, are unreasonable and exist solely to > > help the insurance industry 'flourish', but why doesn't Congress start > > there, rather than dismantling a system that really does work better > > than anywhere else? > > > > Lois Black > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I believe with all of my heart that illegal immigrants (or any non-citizens) should get any gov't benefits! I consider myself fairly liberal but don't agree with my tax dollars going to people who are not citizens!! Not cool. Especially since I didn't qualify for any benefits when I was pregnant with my son years ago. I've worked in one way or another since I was 11 yrs old! Collier, RD/LD Clinical Nutrition Manager Midland Memorial Hospital 2200 West Illinois Midland, TX 79701 leslie.collier@... (fax) (pager) From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Ortiz Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 6:05 PM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Re:Healthcare Reform I work with many illegals at WIC and love them as people but they are still here illegally (almost all from Mexico). We also get legal refugees, lately quite a few from Afghanistan and Iraq but many also from African nations, Russia, etc. The second group is here legally. When the pregnant illegals come here they automatically get healthcare for their pregnancy and then their children, born here, are natural born citizens so they get Medicaid. They are all eligible to get WIC. So lots of your tax dollars are going for health care and social services already for illegals. On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Pam Charney <pcharney@... <mailto:pcharney%40mac.com> > wrote: > > > Let's all calm down a bit. There are probably many reasons that we > have health care vacationers. Remember that there are also many, many > Americans who go abroad for health care. To delve into the reasons for > doing so is far beyond the scope of this discussion. > > To believe that simply because someone speaks a different language > means one does not deserve to be in the United States is incorrect. > Lois, perhaps some of those who speak other languages are residents. > Should we decide who gets care based on a language test? > > Please start by reviewing this information: > http://www.prevent.org/content/view/195 <http://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?5xBN4sMCMrhpd7aoUsqemjo09qfCvxfw0emH2 vMDxCnCchd7bVK_nKehjusvhvdTdQ-4VRbETKO--MebECzBdUsnhjvKDtwsehbD_g-nZqFVY LysH90_o85RvlH6mDYK2E_dKcashzlJqD5J9RHOVJdYs_sSyC_teX0UsMrppdwLQzh0qmUE5 SWqqnjh02_i2_WvcDro-q80nXJoGCV-7PM76Qjqq9J5Msqemn6hNKP0IHjSRHJI9> > > We will never have a meaningful discussion if we cannot leave the > rhetoric behind. > > Pam Charney > pcharney@... <mailto:pcharney%40mac.com> <pcharney%40mac.com> > > " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get > is all you ever got " - Anonymous > > Pam Charney > pcharney@... <mailto:pcharney%40mac.com> <pcharney%40mac.com> > > " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get > is all you ever got " - Anonymous > > > > > I rarely chime in on this list, but this is one topic that needs > > discussion at every level -- personal /*and*/ professional. > > > > As a dietitian at Dana Farber Cancer Center way back in the 1970's, I > > would estimate that approximately 1/2 of all patients being treated > > were > > residents of countries /other/ than the United States. > > > > When my daughter was a student at Rice University, from 2000-2004, in > > Houston (which is directly across from the HUGE Texas Medical Center), > > most of the people staying in the hotels when we visited were from > > Saudi > > Arabia--every single one of them was either a patient or relative of a > > patient in one of the 40+ medical institutions in that complex. They > > were all obviously very wealthy--they could have spent their oil > > billions anywhere in the world. Why did they choose the USA if our > > care > > is so bad? > > > > As a resident of Massachusetts, I have had the 'pleasure' of being a > > patient at Mass General, Tufts Medical Center, Boston Medical Center > > and > > Lahey Clinic. I hear a LOT of foreign languages being spoken in > > waiting > > rooms--and most of it ISN'T Spanish. Mass General's entrance lists > > instructions in about 20 different languages. We have a few people > > left > > in Massachusetts that DO speak English, so why so many languages? Gee, > > I wonder if it's for the people coming from other countries for care? > > > > Please, someone tell me, from PERSONAL experience -- just exactly > > which > > country has BETTER medical care than we do?! > > > > Many insurance regulations stink, are unreasonable and exist solely to > > help the insurance industry 'flourish', but why doesn't Congress start > > there, rather than dismantling a system that really does work better > > than anywhere else? > > > > Lois Black > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 Here we go again, with our ethnocentric " no body does it better than we do " rhetoric. There is good and bad in every system and we should acknowledge that and find ways to accentuate the good. Did anybody ever watch the " 60 Minutes " segment sometime ago about Americans going abroad to India and Thailand for healthcare because they were not only comparable to services in the US but a lot cheaper. I cannot vouch for services in India but I have experienced services at the Bumrungrad Hospital in Thailand and believe me when I say that as far as services for price go there is no comparison to any hospital in the US. They not only offer comparable services and in some cases better service but the price is about half or in some cases one-third of what is charged in the US. Like someone mentioned earlier, if you have insurance, someone already decides what type of care you get. Insurance companies decide what services they can or cannot pay for so they automatically decide what services you get. Forget about specialist services, I pay out of pocket for my blood pressure medication because my insurance company decided at some point to drop the medication that finally worked for me (after trying a few with side effects) from their formulary and gave me alternatives of medications that I had already tried but could not stay on because of side effects. So even though I am fully insured, I still pay out of pocket for my own comfort and sanity. Imagine if I was not in a position to pay for my own medication, I would have been forced to not only take medications with side effects but would have been prescribed more medication to counteract those side effects. I was listening to a program on NPR the other day and someone was talking about trying to address waste in the Medicare system and another person talked about the monumental task it would be because of the lobbyist and special interest groups. She cited an example of the motorized chairs people use to move around their homes or do chores, that it is much cheaper for people to buy them directly themselves instead of through medicare but when that issue was brought up, all hell broke loose and medicare providers and their lobbyists squashed that issue in the bud without an option. One thing I know for sure is that the current system needs to be overhauled but how to do it is the 64 million dollar question. Oh, by the way, I speak a different language and came here legally and have never been on public assistance. I like to travel and chose to live here just like a whole lot of Americans choose to live and work in other countries. Ann Marie Dawson, MS, RD, CDE Monroe Clinic Hospital Monroe, WI 53566 Tel: ________________________________ To: rd-usa Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:20:57 PM Subject: Re: Re:Healthcare Reform  That is the reason they are allowed benefits.... it is ironic we have one gov't service that is trying to " find them " and send them back while there is another that has their address and phone number and thus " hiding " them and giving them care. On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Jen Zingaro <jenzingarogmail (DOT) com> wrote: > > > Granted, people here illegally shouldn't be privvy to all the benefits. > But what would you have happen, let the babies suffer by not having proper > care? > Just wondering what the alternative is... > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Ortiz <nrord1gmail (DOT) com<nrord1%40gmail. com>> > wrote: > > > > > > > I work with many illegals at WIC and love them as people but they are > still > > here illegally (almost all from Mexico). We also get legal refugees, > lately > > quite a few from Afghanistan and Iraq but many also from African nations, > > Russia, etc. The second group is here legally. > > > > When the pregnant illegals come here they automatically get healthcare > for > > their pregnancy and then their children, born here, are natural born > > citizens so they get Medicaid. They are all eligible to get WIC. So lots > of > > your tax dollars are going for health care and social services already > for > > illegals. > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Pam Charney <pcharneymac (DOT) com<pcharney%40mac. com> > <pcharney%40mac. com>> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Let's all calm down a bit. There are probably many reasons that we > > > have health care vacationers. Remember that there are also many, many > > > Americans who go abroad for health care. To delve into the reasons for > > > doing so is far beyond the scope of this discussion. > > > > > > To believe that simply because someone speaks a different language > > > means one does not deserve to be in the United States is incorrect. > > > Lois, perhaps some of those who speak other languages are residents. > > > Should we decide who gets care based on a language test? > > > > > > Please start by reviewing this information: > > > http://www.prevent. org/content/ view/195 > > > > > > We will never have a meaningful discussion if we cannot leave the > > > rhetoric behind. > > > > > > Pam Charney > > > pcharneymac (DOT) com <pcharney%40mac. com> <pcharney%40mac. com> <pcharney% > 40mac.com> > > > > > > " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get > > > is all you ever got " - Anonymous > > > > > > Pam Charney > > > pcharneymac (DOT) com <pcharney%40mac. com> <pcharney%40mac. com> <pcharney% > 40mac.com> > > > > > > > > > " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get > > > is all you ever got " - Anonymous > > > > > > > > > > > > > I rarely chime in on this list, but this is one topic that needs > > > > discussion at every level -- personal /*and*/ professional. > > > > > > > > As a dietitian at Dana Farber Cancer Center way back in the 1970's, I > > > > would estimate that approximately 1/2 of all patients being treated > > > > were > > > > residents of countries /other/ than the United States. > > > > > > > > When my daughter was a student at Rice University, from 2000-2004, in > > > > Houston (which is directly across from the HUGE Texas Medical > Center), > > > > most of the people staying in the hotels when we visited were from > > > > Saudi > > > > Arabia--every single one of them was either a patient or relative of > a > > > > patient in one of the 40+ medical institutions in that complex. They > > > > were all obviously very wealthy--they could have spent their oil > > > > billions anywhere in the world. Why did they choose the USA if our > > > > care > > > > is so bad? > > > > > > > > As a resident of Massachusetts, I have had the 'pleasure' of being a > > > > patient at Mass General, Tufts Medical Center, Boston Medical Center > > > > and > > > > Lahey Clinic. I hear a LOT of foreign languages being spoken in > > > > waiting > > > > rooms--and most of it ISN'T Spanish. Mass General's entrance lists > > > > instructions in about 20 different languages. We have a few people > > > > left > > > > in Massachusetts that DO speak English, so why so many languages? > Gee, > > > > I wonder if it's for the people coming from other countries for care? > > > > > > > > Please, someone tell me, from PERSONAL experience -- just exactly > > > > which > > > > country has BETTER medical care than we do?! > > > > > > > > Many insurance regulations stink, are unreasonable and exist solely > to > > > > help the insurance industry 'flourish', but why doesn't Congress > start > > > > there, rather than dismantling a system that really does work better > > > > than anywhere else? > > > > > > > > Lois Black > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 But my understanding is that the regular citizen in those countries do NOT get those services - they are for the rich and comfortable (local or foreigners) and yes they are cheaper then we can give them. On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Ann Marie Dawson < nutritionbangla@...> wrote: > > > Here we go again, with our ethnocentric " no body does it better than we do " > rhetoric. There is good and bad in every system and we should acknowledge > that and find ways to accentuate the good. Did anybody ever watch the " 60 > Minutes " segment sometime ago about Americans going abroad to India and > Thailand for healthcare because they were not only comparable to services in > the US but a lot cheaper. I cannot vouch for services in India but I have > experienced services at the Bumrungrad Hospital in Thailand and believe me > when I say that as far as services for price go there is no comparison to > any hospital in the US. They not only offer comparable services and in some > cases better service but the price is about half or in some cases one-third > of what is charged in the US. > > Like someone mentioned earlier, if you have insurance, someone already > decides what type of care you get. Insurance companies decide what services > they can or cannot pay for so they automatically decide what services you > get. Forget about specialist services, I pay out of pocket for my blood > pressure medication because my insurance company decided at some point to > drop the medication that finally worked for me (after trying a few with side > effects) from their formulary and gave me alternatives of medications that I > had already tried but could not stay on because of side effects. So even > though I am fully insured, I still pay out of pocket for my own comfort and > sanity. Imagine if I was not in a position to pay for my own medication, I > would have been forced to not only take medications with side effects but > would have been prescribed more medication to counteract those side > effects. > > I was listening to a program on NPR the other day and someone was talking > about trying to address waste in the Medicare system and another > person talked about the monumental task it would be because of the lobbyist > and special interest groups. She cited an example of the motorized chairs > people use to move around their homes or do chores, that it is much cheaper > for people to buy them directly themselves instead of through medicare but > when that issue was brought up, all hell broke loose and medicare providers > and their lobbyists squashed that issue in the bud without an option. One > thing I know for sure is that the current system needs to be overhauled but > how to do it is the 64 million dollar question. > > Oh, by the way, I speak a different language and came here legally and have > never been on public assistance. I like to travel and chose to live here > just like a whole lot of Americans choose to live and work in other > countries. > > Ann Marie Dawson, MS, RD, CDE > Monroe Clinic Hospital > Monroe, WI 53566 > Tel: > > ________________________________ > From: Ortiz <nrord1@... <nrord1%40gmail.com>> > > To: rd-usa <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:20:57 PM > Subject: Re: Re:Healthcare Reform > > > That is the reason they are allowed benefits.... it is ironic we have one > gov't service that is trying to " find them " and send them back while there > is another that has their address and phone number and thus " hiding " them > and giving them care. > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Jen Zingaro <jenzingarogmail (DOT) com> > wrote: > > > > > > > Granted, people here illegally shouldn't be privvy to all the benefits. > > But what would you have happen, let the babies suffer by not having > proper > > care? > > Just wondering what the alternative is... > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Ortiz <nrord1@...<nrord1%40gmail. com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I work with many illegals at WIC and love them as people but they are > > still > > > here illegally (almost all from Mexico). We also get legal refugees, > > lately > > > quite a few from Afghanistan and Iraq but many also from African > nations, > > > Russia, etc. The second group is here legally. > > > > > > When the pregnant illegals come here they automatically get healthcare > > for > > > their pregnancy and then their children, born here, are natural born > > > citizens so they get Medicaid. They are all eligible to get WIC. So > lots > > of > > > your tax dollars are going for health care and social services already > > for > > > illegals. > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Pam Charney <pcharney@...<pcharney%40mac. com> > > <pcharney%40mac. com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's all calm down a bit. There are probably many reasons that we > > > > have health care vacationers. Remember that there are also many, many > > > > Americans who go abroad for health care. To delve into the reasons > for > > > > doing so is far beyond the scope of this discussion. > > > > > > > > To believe that simply because someone speaks a different language > > > > means one does not deserve to be in the United States is incorrect. > > > > Lois, perhaps some of those who speak other languages are residents. > > > > Should we decide who gets care based on a language test? > > > > > > > > Please start by reviewing this information: > > > > http://www.prevent. org/content/ view/195 > > > > > > > > We will never have a meaningful discussion if we cannot leave the > > > > rhetoric behind. > > > > > > > > Pam Charney > > > > pcharneymac (DOT) com <pcharney%40mac. com> <pcharney%40mac. com> > <pcharney% > > 40mac.com> > > > > > > > > " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get > > > > is all you ever got " - Anonymous > > > > > > > > Pam Charney > > > > pcharneymac (DOT) com <pcharney%40mac. com> <pcharney%40mac. com> > <pcharney% > > > 40mac.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get > > > > is all you ever got " - Anonymous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I rarely chime in on this list, but this is one topic that needs > > > > > discussion at every level -- personal /*and*/ professional. > > > > > > > > > > As a dietitian at Dana Farber Cancer Center way back in the 1970's, > I > > > > > would estimate that approximately 1/2 of all patients being treated > > > > > were > > > > > residents of countries /other/ than the United States. > > > > > > > > > > When my daughter was a student at Rice University, from 2000-2004, > in > > > > > Houston (which is directly across from the HUGE Texas Medical > > Center), > > > > > most of the people staying in the hotels when we visited were from > > > > > Saudi > > > > > Arabia--every single one of them was either a patient or relative > of > > a > > > > > patient in one of the 40+ medical institutions in that complex. > They > > > > > were all obviously very wealthy--they could have spent their oil > > > > > billions anywhere in the world. Why did they choose the USA if our > > > > > care > > > > > is so bad? > > > > > > > > > > As a resident of Massachusetts, I have had the 'pleasure' of being > a > > > > > patient at Mass General, Tufts Medical Center, Boston Medical > Center > > > > > and > > > > > Lahey Clinic. I hear a LOT of foreign languages being spoken in > > > > > waiting > > > > > rooms--and most of it ISN'T Spanish. Mass General's entrance lists > > > > > instructions in about 20 different languages. We have a few people > > > > > left > > > > > in Massachusetts that DO speak English, so why so many languages? > > Gee, > > > > > I wonder if it's for the people coming from other countries for > care? > > > > > > > > > > Please, someone tell me, from PERSONAL experience -- just exactly > > > > > which > > > > > country has BETTER medical care than we do?! > > > > > > > > > > Many insurance regulations stink, are unreasonable and exist solely > > to > > > > > help the insurance industry 'flourish', but why doesn't Congress > > start > > > > > there, rather than dismantling a system that really does work > better > > > > > than anywhere else? > > > > > > > > > > Lois Black > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2009 Report Share Posted August 14, 2009 I would also love to know one other country in the world that not only looks the other way on the illegal issue but incentivizes breaking the law by providing welfare services. I also do not know of any other country with the illegal problem -don't see anyone trying to sneak into other countries. The other issue here is - does everyone believe we should get ALL services related to health care free if we are insured? That is simply not feasible. We should be willing to pay something for our healthcare. I personally would have no problem paying for routine procedures. It is catastrophic illness that is the real issue. The health savings accounts and flexible spending accounts could be very effectively used if the government was not controlling them. These programs are currently controlled by the IRS. It is your money in these accounts, but the government dictates how you can use it. And in their infinite wisdom they do not allow weight loss programs, supplements for prevention and wellness, and many natural and integrative alternatives. This is the same government that is going to dictate our entire health care system. No Thank You!!! Kathy C. Fielding, RD, LD Registered/Licensed Dietitian Nutritionist Natural Health Concepts Preventive Health Strategies & Wellness, Complementary & Alternative Medicine Bios Life Slim Lose Body Fat & Inches Naturally! Lower Cholesterol Naturally! www.bioslifeslim/kayceefielding _____ From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Ortiz Sent: Friday, August 14, 2009 10:37 AM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Re:Healthcare Reform But my understanding is that the regular citizen in those countries do NOT get those services - they are for the rich and comfortable (local or foreigners) and yes they are cheaper then we can give them. On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:23 AM, Ann Marie Dawson < nutritionbangla@ <mailto:nutritionbangla%40yahoo.com> yahoo.com> wrote: > > > Here we go again, with our ethnocentric " no body does it better than we do " > rhetoric. There is good and bad in every system and we should acknowledge > that and find ways to accentuate the good. Did anybody ever watch the " 60 > Minutes " segment sometime ago about Americans going abroad to India and > Thailand for healthcare because they were not only comparable to services in > the US but a lot cheaper. I cannot vouch for services in India but I have > experienced services at the Bumrungrad Hospital in Thailand and believe me > when I say that as far as services for price go there is no comparison to > any hospital in the US. They not only offer comparable services and in some > cases better service but the price is about half or in some cases one-third > of what is charged in the US. > > Like someone mentioned earlier, if you have insurance, someone already > decides what type of care you get. Insurance companies decide what services > they can or cannot pay for so they automatically decide what services you > get. Forget about specialist services, I pay out of pocket for my blood > pressure medication because my insurance company decided at some point to > drop the medication that finally worked for me (after trying a few with side > effects) from their formulary and gave me alternatives of medications that I > had already tried but could not stay on because of side effects. So even > though I am fully insured, I still pay out of pocket for my own comfort and > sanity. Imagine if I was not in a position to pay for my own medication, I > would have been forced to not only take medications with side effects but > would have been prescribed more medication to counteract those side > effects. > > I was listening to a program on NPR the other day and someone was talking > about trying to address waste in the Medicare system and another > person talked about the monumental task it would be because of the lobbyist > and special interest groups. She cited an example of the motorized chairs > people use to move around their homes or do chores, that it is much cheaper > for people to buy them directly themselves instead of through medicare but > when that issue was brought up, all hell broke loose and medicare providers > and their lobbyists squashed that issue in the bud without an option. One > thing I know for sure is that the current system needs to be overhauled but > how to do it is the 64 million dollar question. > > Oh, by the way, I speak a different language and came here legally and have > never been on public assistance. I like to travel and chose to live here > just like a whole lot of Americans choose to live and work in other > countries. > > Ann Marie Dawson, MS, RD, CDE > Monroe Clinic Hospital > Monroe, WI 53566 > Tel: > > ________________________________ > From: Ortiz <nrord1gmail (DOT) <mailto:nrord1%40gmail.com> com <nrord1%40gmail.com>> > > To: rd-usayahoogroups (DOT) <mailto:rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> com <rd-usa%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:20:57 PM > Subject: Re: Re:Healthcare Reform > > > That is the reason they are allowed benefits.... it is ironic we have one > gov't service that is trying to " find them " and send them back while there > is another that has their address and phone number and thus " hiding " them > and giving them care. > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 8:15 PM, Jen Zingaro <jenzingarogmail (DOT) com> > wrote: > > > > > > > Granted, people here illegally shouldn't be privvy to all the benefits. > > But what would you have happen, let the babies suffer by not having > proper > > care? > > Just wondering what the alternative is... > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 7:05 PM, Ortiz <nrord1gmail (DOT) <mailto:nrord1%40gmail.com> com<nrord1%40gmail. com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I work with many illegals at WIC and love them as people but they are > > still > > > here illegally (almost all from Mexico). We also get legal refugees, > > lately > > > quite a few from Afghanistan and Iraq but many also from African > nations, > > > Russia, etc. The second group is here legally. > > > > > > When the pregnant illegals come here they automatically get healthcare > > for > > > their pregnancy and then their children, born here, are natural born > > > citizens so they get Medicaid. They are all eligible to get WIC. So > lots > > of > > > your tax dollars are going for health care and social services already > > for > > > illegals. > > > > > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 6:53 PM, Pam Charney <pcharneymac (DOT) <mailto:pcharney%40mac.com> com<pcharney%40mac. com> > > <pcharney%40mac. com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's all calm down a bit. There are probably many reasons that we > > > > have health care vacationers. Remember that there are also many, many > > > > Americans who go abroad for health care. To delve into the reasons > for > > > > doing so is far beyond the scope of this discussion. > > > > > > > > To believe that simply because someone speaks a different language > > > > means one does not deserve to be in the United States is incorrect. > > > > Lois, perhaps some of those who speak other languages are residents. > > > > Should we decide who gets care based on a language test? > > > > > > > > Please start by reviewing this information: > > > > http://www.prevent. org/content/ view/195 > > > > > > > > We will never have a meaningful discussion if we cannot leave the > > > > rhetoric behind. > > > > > > > > Pam Charney > > > > pcharneymac (DOT) com <pcharney%40mac. com> <pcharney%40mac. com> > <pcharney% > > 40mac.com> > > > > > > > > " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get > > > > is all you ever got " - Anonymous > > > > > > > > Pam Charney > > > > pcharneymac (DOT) com <pcharney%40mac. com> <pcharney%40mac. com> > <pcharney% > > > 40mac.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get > > > > is all you ever got " - Anonymous > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I rarely chime in on this list, but this is one topic that needs > > > > > discussion at every level -- personal /*and*/ professional. > > > > > > > > > > As a dietitian at Dana Farber Cancer Center way back in the 1970's, > I > > > > > would estimate that approximately 1/2 of all patients being treated > > > > > were > > > > > residents of countries /other/ than the United States. > > > > > > > > > > When my daughter was a student at Rice University, from 2000-2004, > in > > > > > Houston (which is directly across from the HUGE Texas Medical > > Center), > > > > > most of the people staying in the hotels when we visited were from > > > > > Saudi > > > > > Arabia--every single one of them was either a patient or relative > of > > a > > > > > patient in one of the 40+ medical institutions in that complex. > They > > > > > were all obviously very wealthy--they could have spent their oil > > > > > billions anywhere in the world. Why did they choose the USA if our > > > > > care > > > > > is so bad? > > > > > > > > > > As a resident of Massachusetts, I have had the 'pleasure' of being > a > > > > > patient at Mass General, Tufts Medical Center, Boston Medical > Center > > > > > and > > > > > Lahey Clinic. I hear a LOT of foreign languages being spoken in > > > > > waiting > > > > > rooms--and most of it ISN'T Spanish. Mass General's entrance lists > > > > > instructions in about 20 different languages. We have a few people > > > > > left > > > > > in Massachusetts that DO speak English, so why so many languages? > > Gee, > > > > > I wonder if it's for the people coming from other countries for > care? > > > > > > > > > > Please, someone tell me, from PERSONAL experience -- just exactly > > > > > which > > > > > country has BETTER medical care than we do?! > > > > > > > > > > Many insurance regulations stink, are unreasonable and exist solely > > to > > > > > help the insurance industry 'flourish', but why doesn't Congress > > start > > > > > there, rather than dismantling a system that really does work > better > > > > > than anywhere else? > > > > > > > > > > Lois Black > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Talk about illegal, I had a patient in last week who told me his bro-in-law sold part of his food stamps to get cash. he would sell about $100 of food stamps for $50-75. Both he and his wife were on food stamps and were not working so probably medicaid as he is " disabled " plus they had kids. Anyhow, I heard that numerous times legislation has been rejected which wanted to put photos on the cards. They know this is going on, but refuse to do anything about it. > > > > > > > > > I rarely chime in on this list, but this is one topic that needs > > > > > discussion at every level -- personal /*and*/ professional. > > > > > > > > > > As a dietitian at Dana Farber Cancer Center way back in the 1970's, > I > > > > > would estimate that approximately 1/2 of all patients being treated > > > > > were > > > > > residents of countries /other/ than the United States. > > > > > > > > > > When my daughter was a student at Rice University, from 2000-2004, > in > > > > > Houston (which is directly across from the HUGE Texas Medical > > Center), > > > > > most of the people staying in the hotels when we visited were from > > > > > Saudi > > > > > Arabia--every single one of them was either a patient or relative > of > > a > > > > > patient in one of the 40+ medical institutions in that complex. > They > > > > > were all obviously very wealthy--they could have spent their oil > > > > > billions anywhere in the world. Why did they choose the USA if our > > > > > care > > > > > is so bad? > > > > > > > > > > As a resident of Massachusetts, I have had the 'pleasure' of being > a > > > > > patient at Mass General, Tufts Medical Center, Boston Medical > Center > > > > > and > > > > > Lahey Clinic. I hear a LOT of foreign languages being spoken in > > > > > waiting > > > > > rooms--and most of it ISN'T Spanish. Mass General's entrance lists > > > > > instructions in about 20 different languages. We have a few people > > > > > left > > > > > in Massachusetts that DO speak English, so why so many languages? > > Gee, > > > > > I wonder if it's for the people coming from other countries for > care? > > > > > > > > > > Please, someone tell me, from PERSONAL experience -- just exactly > > > > > which > > > > > country has BETTER medical care than we do?! > > > > > > > > > > Many insurance regulations stink, are unreasonable and exist solely > > to > > > > > help the insurance industry 'flourish', but why doesn't Congress > > start > > > > > there, rather than dismantling a system that really does work > better > > > > > than anywhere else? > > > > > > > > > > Lois Black > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 16, 2009 Report Share Posted August 16, 2009 Talk about illegal, I had a patient in last week who told me his bro-in-law sold part of his food stamps to get cash. he would sell about $100 of food stamps for $50-75. Both he and his wife were on food stamps and were not working so probably medicaid as he is " disabled " plus they had kids. Anyhow, I heard that numerous times legislation has been rejected which wanted to put photos on the cards. They know this is going on, but refuse to do anything about it. > > > > > > > > > I rarely chime in on this list, but this is one topic that needs > > > > > discussion at every level -- personal /*and*/ professional. > > > > > > > > > > As a dietitian at Dana Farber Cancer Center way back in the 1970's, > I > > > > > would estimate that approximately 1/2 of all patients being treated > > > > > were > > > > > residents of countries /other/ than the United States. > > > > > > > > > > When my daughter was a student at Rice University, from 2000-2004, > in > > > > > Houston (which is directly across from the HUGE Texas Medical > > Center), > > > > > most of the people staying in the hotels when we visited were from > > > > > Saudi > > > > > Arabia--every single one of them was either a patient or relative > of > > a > > > > > patient in one of the 40+ medical institutions in that complex. > They > > > > > were all obviously very wealthy--they could have spent their oil > > > > > billions anywhere in the world. Why did they choose the USA if our > > > > > care > > > > > is so bad? > > > > > > > > > > As a resident of Massachusetts, I have had the 'pleasure' of being > a > > > > > patient at Mass General, Tufts Medical Center, Boston Medical > Center > > > > > and > > > > > Lahey Clinic. I hear a LOT of foreign languages being spoken in > > > > > waiting > > > > > rooms--and most of it ISN'T Spanish. Mass General's entrance lists > > > > > instructions in about 20 different languages. We have a few people > > > > > left > > > > > in Massachusetts that DO speak English, so why so many languages? > > Gee, > > > > > I wonder if it's for the people coming from other countries for > care? > > > > > > > > > > Please, someone tell me, from PERSONAL experience -- just exactly > > > > > which > > > > > country has BETTER medical care than we do?! > > > > > > > > > > Many insurance regulations stink, are unreasonable and exist solely > > to > > > > > help the insurance industry 'flourish', but why doesn't Congress > > start > > > > > there, rather than dismantling a system that really does work > better > > > > > than anywhere else? > > > > > > > > > > Lois Black > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 I read Lois's post word for word and I don't see anything in it or anyone else's post that needs to be calmed down. Is it that you really mean, " please stop disagreeing with me " ? I also didn't see anything in Lois's message about not treating people who don't speak English. Her point is clear, " Gee, I wonder if it's for the people coming from other countries for care? " W. Rowell, RD, LN Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care Certified LEAP Therapist " If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free. " --P.J. O'Rourke ________________________________ From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Pam Charney Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:54 PM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Re:Healthcare Reform Let's all calm down a bit. There are probably many reasons that we have health care vacationers. Remember that there are also many, many Americans who go abroad for health care. To delve into the reasons for doing so is far beyond the scope of this discussion. To believe that simply because someone speaks a different language means one does not deserve to be in the United States is incorrect. Lois, perhaps some of those who speak other languages are residents. Should we decide who gets care based on a language test? Please start by reviewing this information: http://www.prevent.org/content/view/195 We will never have a meaningful discussion if we cannot leave the rhetoric behind. Pam Charney pcharney@...<mailto:pcharney%40mac.com> " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get is all you ever got " - Anonymous Pam Charney pcharney@...<mailto:pcharney%40mac.com> " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get is all you ever got " - Anonymous > I rarely chime in on this list, but this is one topic that needs > discussion at every level -- personal /*and*/ professional. > > As a dietitian at Dana Farber Cancer Center way back in the 1970's, I > would estimate that approximately 1/2 of all patients being treated > were > residents of countries /other/ than the United States. > > When my daughter was a student at Rice University, from 2000-2004, in > Houston (which is directly across from the HUGE Texas Medical Center), > most of the people staying in the hotels when we visited were from > Saudi > Arabia--every single one of them was either a patient or relative of a > patient in one of the 40+ medical institutions in that complex. They > were all obviously very wealthy--they could have spent their oil > billions anywhere in the world. Why did they choose the USA if our > care > is so bad? > > As a resident of Massachusetts, I have had the 'pleasure' of being a > patient at Mass General, Tufts Medical Center, Boston Medical Center > and > Lahey Clinic. I hear a LOT of foreign languages being spoken in > waiting > rooms--and most of it ISN'T Spanish. Mass General's entrance lists > instructions in about 20 different languages. We have a few people > left > in Massachusetts that DO speak English, so why so many languages? Gee, > I wonder if it's for the people coming from other countries for care? > > Please, someone tell me, from PERSONAL experience -- just exactly > which > country has BETTER medical care than we do?! > > Many insurance regulations stink, are unreasonable and exist solely to > help the insurance industry 'flourish', but why doesn't Congress start > there, rather than dismantling a system that really does work better > than anywhere else? > > Lois Black > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 I read Lois's post word for word and I don't see anything in it or anyone else's post that needs to be calmed down. Is it that you really mean, " please stop disagreeing with me " ? I also didn't see anything in Lois's message about not treating people who don't speak English. Her point is clear, " Gee, I wonder if it's for the people coming from other countries for care? " W. Rowell, RD, LN Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care Certified LEAP Therapist " If you think health care is expensive now, wait until you see what it costs when it's free. " --P.J. O'Rourke ________________________________ From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Pam Charney Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 4:54 PM To: rd-usa Subject: Re: Re:Healthcare Reform Let's all calm down a bit. There are probably many reasons that we have health care vacationers. Remember that there are also many, many Americans who go abroad for health care. To delve into the reasons for doing so is far beyond the scope of this discussion. To believe that simply because someone speaks a different language means one does not deserve to be in the United States is incorrect. Lois, perhaps some of those who speak other languages are residents. Should we decide who gets care based on a language test? Please start by reviewing this information: http://www.prevent.org/content/view/195 We will never have a meaningful discussion if we cannot leave the rhetoric behind. Pam Charney pcharney@...<mailto:pcharney%40mac.com> " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get is all you ever got " - Anonymous Pam Charney pcharney@...<mailto:pcharney%40mac.com> " If all you ever do is all you've ever done, then all you'll ever get is all you ever got " - Anonymous > I rarely chime in on this list, but this is one topic that needs > discussion at every level -- personal /*and*/ professional. > > As a dietitian at Dana Farber Cancer Center way back in the 1970's, I > would estimate that approximately 1/2 of all patients being treated > were > residents of countries /other/ than the United States. > > When my daughter was a student at Rice University, from 2000-2004, in > Houston (which is directly across from the HUGE Texas Medical Center), > most of the people staying in the hotels when we visited were from > Saudi > Arabia--every single one of them was either a patient or relative of a > patient in one of the 40+ medical institutions in that complex. They > were all obviously very wealthy--they could have spent their oil > billions anywhere in the world. Why did they choose the USA if our > care > is so bad? > > As a resident of Massachusetts, I have had the 'pleasure' of being a > patient at Mass General, Tufts Medical Center, Boston Medical Center > and > Lahey Clinic. I hear a LOT of foreign languages being spoken in > waiting > rooms--and most of it ISN'T Spanish. Mass General's entrance lists > instructions in about 20 different languages. We have a few people > left > in Massachusetts that DO speak English, so why so many languages? Gee, > I wonder if it's for the people coming from other countries for care? > > Please, someone tell me, from PERSONAL experience -- just exactly > which > country has BETTER medical care than we do?! > > Many insurance regulations stink, are unreasonable and exist solely to > help the insurance industry 'flourish', but why doesn't Congress start > there, rather than dismantling a system that really does work better > than anywhere else? > > Lois Black > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Mavis said, " I think there is a lot of " grass roots " concern. " Here's the data: " ...a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that most voters (54%) say no health care reform passed by Congress this year would be the better option. " " One surprising by-product of the debate over changing the system is that confidence in the U.S. health care system has grown<http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/hea\ lthcare/august_2009/confidence_in_u_s_health_care_system_has_grown_in_recent_mon\ ths> over the past few months. That may be because when it comes to health care decisions, 51% fear the government more than they fear private insurance companies.<http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_event\ s/healthcare/august_2009/on_health_care_51_fear_government_more_than_insurance_c\ ompanies> " Cost, not universal coverage, is the top priority for most voters<http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/he\ althcare/july_2009/cost_not_universal_coverage_is_top_health_care_concern_for_vo\ ters> and 54% favor middle class tax cuts over new spending on health care.<http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/business/taxes/august_2009/\ 54_favor_middle_class_tax_cuts_over_new_health_care_spending> 32% favor Single-Payer health care while 57% are opposed.<http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/current_events/\ healthcare/august_2009/32_favor_single_payer_health_care_57_oppose> (Underlines not mine.) Naah, that's not " grassroots " . Those folks at the town hall meetings are sent there by the evil insurance companies. See all at http://www.rasmussenreports.com/ W. Rowell, RD, LN Montana State Hospital, Warm Spring, MT Consultant Dietitian, Long Term Care Certified LEAP Therapist ________________________________ From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Mavis Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2009 7:07 PM To: rd-usa Subject: Re:Healthcare Reform What a lively interesting discussion on healthcare reform! Of course, I must get my two cents in as well. 1.) We have wonderful healthcare for those who have access and/or can afford it. 2.)Our pitiful outcomes related to other countries are because not everyone has access. 3.) I read an interesting article recently about people going to Costa Rica and India for healthcare because it was cheaper and just as good. 4.) Yes, there is a lot of waste and expense in healthcare because of lawsuits and government intervention. 5.) There are some great provisions in the bill about accountablity for individuals as well as healthcare providers as well as prevention. 6.) If people were a little more realistic about what " end of life means " and didn't expect doctors to be able to fix anything and everything perhaps we wouldn't be wasting money on giving treatments and tests that have no benefit just because we can and the doctor doesn't want a lawsuit. 7 .) If healthcare providers would accept cash payments that are equivalent to what the insurance company pays for care perhaps more people could afford to self insure or avoid bankruptcy. I asked a hospital financial officer about this and was told that in our state it wasn't legal, because of laws pushed through by insurance companies. 8.) The wasting of unopened unused medications that occurs in healthcare facilities every month as required by law is obscene. 9.) It doesn't really matter what the numbers are; 36 million or 47 million uninsured, it is still too many. 10.) I know I pay for free healthcare for illegal aliens now and I think it should stop, not continue. Where else in the world can you just show up and receive care? We can't care for everyone and we need to take care of our citiziens first. 10.) My biggest concern about the proposed bill is that the government isn't even doing Medicare or Medicaid or VA medical benefits right now without access issues, wast e and fraud. Why should I think that they can manage a newer bigger program when they can't even fix what we currently have? 11.) Why have the Democrats repeatedly said that there isn't a " grassroot " concern about the healthcare reform bill and that it is being created by the Republicans. I think there is a lot of " grass roots " concern and the bill should be about people not politics. Mavis , RDLD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2009 Report Share Posted August 17, 2009 Believe me when I say it is a lot cheaper to buy some medicines and medical supplies with out insurance. I always ask the pharmacist the cost with out insurance on older drugs or medications that I am only get a small limited amount less then a weeks worth. As for medical supplies DME wants us to get new CPAP masks twice a year at $450 each to the insurance co. If i go on line I can get the same mask for ~ $150. The thing is that the plastic mask does not wear out it is the silicon pad/gasket that goes and they cost $28 each. I buy on line and get what I really need for the cost of my copay. Jackie Chase RD Dillingham AK > Here we go again, with our ethnocentric " no body does it better than > we do " rhetoric. There is good and bad in every system and we > should acknowledge that and find ways to accentuate the good. Did > anybody ever watch the " 60 Minutes " segment sometime ago about > Americans going abroad to India and Thailand for healthcare because > they were not only comparable to services in the US but a lot > cheaper. I cannot vouch for services in India but I have > experienced services at the Bumrungrad Hospital in Thailand and > believe me when I say that as far as services for price go there is > no comparison to any hospital in the US. They not only offer > comparable services and in some cases better service but the price > is about half or in some cases one-third of what is charged in the US. > > Like someone mentioned earlier, if you have insurance, someone > already decides what type of care you get. Insurance companies > decide what services they can or cannot pay for so they > automatically decide what services you get. Forget about specialist > services, I pay out of pocket for my blood pressure medication > because my insurance company decided at some point to drop the > medication that finally worked for me (after trying a few with side > effects) from their formulary and gave me alternatives of > medications that I had already tried but could not stay on because > of side effects. So even though I am fully insured, I still pay out > of pocket for my own comfort and sanity. Imagine if I was not in a > position to pay for my own medication, I would have been forced to > not only take medications with side effects but would have been > prescribed more medication to counteract those side effects. > > I was listening to a program on NPR the other day and someone was > talking about trying to address waste in the Medicare system and > another person talked about the monumental task it would be because > of the lobbyist and special interest groups. She cited an example > of the motorized chairs people use to move around their homes or do > chores, that it is much cheaper for people to buy them directly > themselves instead of through medicare but when that issue was > brought up, all hell broke loose and medicare providers and their > lobbyists squashed that issue in the bud without an option. One > thing I know for sure is that the current system needs to be > overhauled but how to do it is the 64 million dollar question. > > Oh, by the way, I speak a different language and came here legally > and have never been on public assistance. I like to travel and > chose to live here just like a whole lot of Americans choose to live > and work in other countries. > > Ann Marie Dawson, MS, RD, CDE > Monroe Clinic Hospital > Monroe, WI 53566 > Tel: > uired) > > Change settings via email: Switch delivery to Daily Digest | Switch > format to Traditional > Visit Your Group | Yahoo! Groups Terms of Use | Unsubscribe > RECENT ACTIVITY > 2 > New Members > Visit Your Group > Sitebuilder > Build a web site > quickly & easily > with Sitebuilder. > Yahoo! Groups > Mental Health Zone > Schizophrenia groups > Find support > Dog Groups > on Yahoo! Groups > discuss everything > related to dogs. > . > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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