Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 If your doctor sees you as a nuisance instead as a source of revenue, then maybe you need another doctor. Re: crp test > > > Dave, > > When it comes to your health, even your doctor is not the sole expert. He > can recommend all he wants, but it's YOUR health at stake, not his. It's > up > to you how you want to manage your health, and if you feel comfortable > with > one method and he/she another, yes you have a political problem on your > hands, but again, do you win brownie points by doing it the doc's way > even > if it turns out wrong, or do you stick up for yourself if you feel > strongly > enough to do an alternative to his treatment? The choice is and should be > truly yours. > > One of the problems I see so often is that people are trying to please > their > doctors, who might be well intentioned but not necessarily accurate in > their > treatment. After all, doc knows best and we don't want to hurt his > feelings. > Worse, some people feel docs will make moral judgments on them if they > admit > to things like drinking or smoking, when in fact the truth sheds more > light > enabling more accurate treatment for some patients. If it is possible, > get a > second opinion on whatever matter you question, the doc can't deny you > that. > If you feel comfortable with a consensus of two doctors even if it's not > the > treatment you originally set out for, follow that if you wish. But don't > just go on one doctor's opinion in order to please him. It's your body > you > need to please, not the doctor. > > I'm not trying to give you a lecture here, I just want to help you see > the > big picture and help you as much as I can. You deserve that. > > Take care and best of luck to you!! > > Bill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 If your doctor sees you as a nuisance instead as a source of revenue, then maybe you need another doctor. Re: crp test > > > Dave, > > When it comes to your health, even your doctor is not the sole expert. He > can recommend all he wants, but it's YOUR health at stake, not his. It's > up > to you how you want to manage your health, and if you feel comfortable > with > one method and he/she another, yes you have a political problem on your > hands, but again, do you win brownie points by doing it the doc's way > even > if it turns out wrong, or do you stick up for yourself if you feel > strongly > enough to do an alternative to his treatment? The choice is and should be > truly yours. > > One of the problems I see so often is that people are trying to please > their > doctors, who might be well intentioned but not necessarily accurate in > their > treatment. After all, doc knows best and we don't want to hurt his > feelings. > Worse, some people feel docs will make moral judgments on them if they > admit > to things like drinking or smoking, when in fact the truth sheds more > light > enabling more accurate treatment for some patients. If it is possible, > get a > second opinion on whatever matter you question, the doc can't deny you > that. > If you feel comfortable with a consensus of two doctors even if it's not > the > treatment you originally set out for, follow that if you wish. But don't > just go on one doctor's opinion in order to please him. It's your body > you > need to please, not the doctor. > > I'm not trying to give you a lecture here, I just want to help you see > the > big picture and help you as much as I can. You deserve that. > > Take care and best of luck to you!! > > Bill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 If your doctor sees you as a nuisance instead as a source of revenue, then maybe you need another doctor. Re: crp test > > > Dave, > > When it comes to your health, even your doctor is not the sole expert. He > can recommend all he wants, but it's YOUR health at stake, not his. It's > up > to you how you want to manage your health, and if you feel comfortable > with > one method and he/she another, yes you have a political problem on your > hands, but again, do you win brownie points by doing it the doc's way > even > if it turns out wrong, or do you stick up for yourself if you feel > strongly > enough to do an alternative to his treatment? The choice is and should be > truly yours. > > One of the problems I see so often is that people are trying to please > their > doctors, who might be well intentioned but not necessarily accurate in > their > treatment. After all, doc knows best and we don't want to hurt his > feelings. > Worse, some people feel docs will make moral judgments on them if they > admit > to things like drinking or smoking, when in fact the truth sheds more > light > enabling more accurate treatment for some patients. If it is possible, > get a > second opinion on whatever matter you question, the doc can't deny you > that. > If you feel comfortable with a consensus of two doctors even if it's not > the > treatment you originally set out for, follow that if you wish. But don't > just go on one doctor's opinion in order to please him. It's your body > you > need to please, not the doctor. > > I'm not trying to give you a lecture here, I just want to help you see > the > big picture and help you as much as I can. You deserve that. > > Take care and best of luck to you!! > > Bill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 I think she sees me as a friend and a source of revenue, but not yet a nuisance. I requested the crp when I went in this morning, but the nurses were not authorized to put it back on. I will be seeing the doc in a couple of weeks as a follow up and will have blood drawn then to do the crp. Dave Re: crp test > > > Dave, > > When it comes to your health, even your doctor is not the sole expert. He > can recommend all he wants, but it's YOUR health at stake, not his. It's > up > to you how you want to manage your health, and if you feel comfortable > with > one method and he/she another, yes you have a political problem on your > hands, but again, do you win brownie points by doing it the doc's way > even > if it turns out wrong, or do you stick up for yourself if you feel > strongly > enough to do an alternative to his treatment? The choice is and should be > truly yours. > > One of the problems I see so often is that people are trying to please > their > doctors, who might be well intentioned but not necessarily accurate in > their > treatment. After all, doc knows best and we don't want to hurt his > feelings. > Worse, some people feel docs will make moral judgments on them if they > admit > to things like drinking or smoking, when in fact the truth sheds more > light > enabling more accurate treatment for some patients. If it is possible, > get a > second opinion on whatever matter you question, the doc can't deny you > that. > If you feel comfortable with a consensus of two doctors even if it's not > the > treatment you originally set out for, follow that if you wish. But don't > just go on one doctor's opinion in order to please him. It's your body > you > need to please, not the doctor. > > I'm not trying to give you a lecture here, I just want to help you see > the > big picture and help you as much as I can. You deserve that. > > Take care and best of luck to you!! > > Bill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 I think she sees me as a friend and a source of revenue, but not yet a nuisance. I requested the crp when I went in this morning, but the nurses were not authorized to put it back on. I will be seeing the doc in a couple of weeks as a follow up and will have blood drawn then to do the crp. Dave Re: crp test > > > Dave, > > When it comes to your health, even your doctor is not the sole expert. He > can recommend all he wants, but it's YOUR health at stake, not his. It's > up > to you how you want to manage your health, and if you feel comfortable > with > one method and he/she another, yes you have a political problem on your > hands, but again, do you win brownie points by doing it the doc's way > even > if it turns out wrong, or do you stick up for yourself if you feel > strongly > enough to do an alternative to his treatment? The choice is and should be > truly yours. > > One of the problems I see so often is that people are trying to please > their > doctors, who might be well intentioned but not necessarily accurate in > their > treatment. After all, doc knows best and we don't want to hurt his > feelings. > Worse, some people feel docs will make moral judgments on them if they > admit > to things like drinking or smoking, when in fact the truth sheds more > light > enabling more accurate treatment for some patients. If it is possible, > get a > second opinion on whatever matter you question, the doc can't deny you > that. > If you feel comfortable with a consensus of two doctors even if it's not > the > treatment you originally set out for, follow that if you wish. But don't > just go on one doctor's opinion in order to please him. It's your body > you > need to please, not the doctor. > > I'm not trying to give you a lecture here, I just want to help you see > the > big picture and help you as much as I can. You deserve that. > > Take care and best of luck to you!! > > Bill > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Did the nurses have the capability of making a telephone call to the prescribing doctor? If they did and did not, then the nurses are afraid of the doctor and do not wish to appear to be bucking the system. Verbal orders are just as valid as written orders, when they are charted, dated and signed by a nurse. Re: crp test > > > > > > Dave, > > > > When it comes to your health, even your doctor is not the sole expert. > He > > can recommend all he wants, but it's YOUR health at stake, not his. > It's > > up > > to you how you want to manage your health, and if you feel comfortable > > with > > one method and he/she another, yes you have a political problem on > your > > hands, but again, do you win brownie points by doing it the doc's way > > even > > if it turns out wrong, or do you stick up for yourself if you feel > > strongly > > enough to do an alternative to his treatment? The choice is and should > be > > truly yours. > > > > One of the problems I see so often is that people are trying to please > > their > > doctors, who might be well intentioned but not necessarily accurate in > > their > > treatment. After all, doc knows best and we don't want to hurt his > > feelings. > > Worse, some people feel docs will make moral judgments on them if they > > admit > > to things like drinking or smoking, when in fact the truth sheds more > > light > > enabling more accurate treatment for some patients. If it is possible, > > get a > > second opinion on whatever matter you question, the doc can't deny you > > that. > > If you feel comfortable with a consensus of two doctors even if it's > not > > the > > treatment you originally set out for, follow that if you wish. But > don't > > just go on one doctor's opinion in order to please him. It's your body > > you > > need to please, not the doctor. > > > > I'm not trying to give you a lecture here, I just want to help you see > > the > > big picture and help you as much as I can. You deserve that. > > > > Take care and best of luck to you!! > > > > Bill > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Well, it was quarter of eight and I know I could have had them contact the doctor, but I'll just have blood drawn in a week or two when I have my visit with the doc. Dave Re: crp test > > > > > > Dave, > > > > When it comes to your health, even your doctor is not the sole expert. > He > > can recommend all he wants, but it's YOUR health at stake, not his. > It's > > up > > to you how you want to manage your health, and if you feel comfortable > > with > > one method and he/she another, yes you have a political problem on > your > > hands, but again, do you win brownie points by doing it the doc's way > > even > > if it turns out wrong, or do you stick up for yourself if you feel > > strongly > > enough to do an alternative to his treatment? The choice is and should > be > > truly yours. > > > > One of the problems I see so often is that people are trying to please > > their > > doctors, who might be well intentioned but not necessarily accurate in > > their > > treatment. After all, doc knows best and we don't want to hurt his > > feelings. > > Worse, some people feel docs will make moral judgments on them if they > > admit > > to things like drinking or smoking, when in fact the truth sheds more > > light > > enabling more accurate treatment for some patients. If it is possible, > > get a > > second opinion on whatever matter you question, the doc can't deny you > > that. > > If you feel comfortable with a consensus of two doctors even if it's > not > > the > > treatment you originally set out for, follow that if you wish. But > don't > > just go on one doctor's opinion in order to please him. It's your body > > you > > need to please, not the doctor. > > > > I'm not trying to give you a lecture here, I just want to help you see > > the > > big picture and help you as much as I can. You deserve that. > > > > Take care and best of luck to you!! > > > > Bill > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Well, it was quarter of eight and I know I could have had them contact the doctor, but I'll just have blood drawn in a week or two when I have my visit with the doc. Dave Re: crp test > > > > > > Dave, > > > > When it comes to your health, even your doctor is not the sole expert. > He > > can recommend all he wants, but it's YOUR health at stake, not his. > It's > > up > > to you how you want to manage your health, and if you feel comfortable > > with > > one method and he/she another, yes you have a political problem on > your > > hands, but again, do you win brownie points by doing it the doc's way > > even > > if it turns out wrong, or do you stick up for yourself if you feel > > strongly > > enough to do an alternative to his treatment? The choice is and should > be > > truly yours. > > > > One of the problems I see so often is that people are trying to please > > their > > doctors, who might be well intentioned but not necessarily accurate in > > their > > treatment. After all, doc knows best and we don't want to hurt his > > feelings. > > Worse, some people feel docs will make moral judgments on them if they > > admit > > to things like drinking or smoking, when in fact the truth sheds more > > light > > enabling more accurate treatment for some patients. If it is possible, > > get a > > second opinion on whatever matter you question, the doc can't deny you > > that. > > If you feel comfortable with a consensus of two doctors even if it's > not > > the > > treatment you originally set out for, follow that if you wish. But > don't > > just go on one doctor's opinion in order to please him. It's your body > > you > > need to please, not the doctor. > > > > I'm not trying to give you a lecture here, I just want to help you see > > the > > big picture and help you as much as I can. You deserve that. > > > > Take care and best of luck to you!! > > > > Bill > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Well, it was quarter of eight and I know I could have had them contact the doctor, but I'll just have blood drawn in a week or two when I have my visit with the doc. Dave Re: crp test > > > > > > Dave, > > > > When it comes to your health, even your doctor is not the sole expert. > He > > can recommend all he wants, but it's YOUR health at stake, not his. > It's > > up > > to you how you want to manage your health, and if you feel comfortable > > with > > one method and he/she another, yes you have a political problem on > your > > hands, but again, do you win brownie points by doing it the doc's way > > even > > if it turns out wrong, or do you stick up for yourself if you feel > > strongly > > enough to do an alternative to his treatment? The choice is and should > be > > truly yours. > > > > One of the problems I see so often is that people are trying to please > > their > > doctors, who might be well intentioned but not necessarily accurate in > > their > > treatment. After all, doc knows best and we don't want to hurt his > > feelings. > > Worse, some people feel docs will make moral judgments on them if they > > admit > > to things like drinking or smoking, when in fact the truth sheds more > > light > > enabling more accurate treatment for some patients. If it is possible, > > get a > > second opinion on whatever matter you question, the doc can't deny you > > that. > > If you feel comfortable with a consensus of two doctors even if it's > not > > the > > treatment you originally set out for, follow that if you wish. But > don't > > just go on one doctor's opinion in order to please him. It's your body > > you > > need to please, not the doctor. > > > > I'm not trying to give you a lecture here, I just want to help you see > > the > > big picture and help you as much as I can. You deserve that. > > > > Take care and best of luck to you!! > > > > Bill > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Now here is a man who is tough. He doesn't mind getting stuck twice, when one stick would do. Re: crp test > > > > > > > > > Dave, > > > > > > When it comes to your health, even your doctor is not the sole > expert. > > He > > > can recommend all he wants, but it's YOUR health at stake, not his. > > It's > > > up > > > to you how you want to manage your health, and if you feel > comfortable > > > with > > > one method and he/she another, yes you have a political problem on > > your > > > hands, but again, do you win brownie points by doing it the doc's > way > > > even > > > if it turns out wrong, or do you stick up for yourself if you feel > > > strongly > > > enough to do an alternative to his treatment? The choice is and > should > > be > > > truly yours. > > > > > > One of the problems I see so often is that people are trying to > please > > > their > > > doctors, who might be well intentioned but not necessarily accurate > in > > > their > > > treatment. After all, doc knows best and we don't want to hurt his > > > feelings. > > > Worse, some people feel docs will make moral judgments on them if > they > > > admit > > > to things like drinking or smoking, when in fact the truth sheds > more > > > light > > > enabling more accurate treatment for some patients. If it is > possible, > > > get a > > > second opinion on whatever matter you question, the doc can't deny > you > > > that. > > > If you feel comfortable with a consensus of two doctors even if > it's > > not > > > the > > > treatment you originally set out for, follow that if you wish. But > > don't > > > just go on one doctor's opinion in order to please him. It's your > body > > > you > > > need to please, not the doctor. > > > > > > I'm not trying to give you a lecture here, I just want to help you > see > > > the > > > big picture and help you as much as I can. You deserve that. > > > > > > Take care and best of luck to you!! > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Harry: I asked my internist about the CRP test. He said that he did not prescribe it anymore and that it was out of favor in this area. He also said that I could have it if I really wanted it. He said that he did not prescribe the CRP test as he monitored other blood test data and aggressively treated possible conditions such as high blood pressure, high cholesterol, etc. Therefore, if he is already treating all treatable conditions, what is to be gained by incurring the cost of another test. I am insured and it will be paid for but that is not a reason to run up the bill. It sounded reasonable to me. Just another perspective. Marvin Re: crp test > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave, > > > > > > > > When it comes to your health, even your doctor is not the sole > > expert. > > > He > > > > can recommend all he wants, but it's YOUR health at stake, not his. > > > It's > > > > up > > > > to you how you want to manage your health, and if you feel > > comfortable > > > > with > > > > one method and he/she another, yes you have a political problem on > > > your > > > > hands, but again, do you win brownie points by doing it the doc's > > way > > > > even > > > > if it turns out wrong, or do you stick up for yourself if you feel > > > > strongly > > > > enough to do an alternative to his treatment? The choice is and > > should > > > be > > > > truly yours. > > > > > > > > One of the problems I see so often is that people are trying to > > please > > > > their > > > > doctors, who might be well intentioned but not necessarily accurate > > in > > > > their > > > > treatment. After all, doc knows best and we don't want to hurt his > > > > feelings. > > > > Worse, some people feel docs will make moral judgments on them if > > they > > > > admit > > > > to things like drinking or smoking, when in fact the truth sheds > > more > > > > light > > > > enabling more accurate treatment for some patients. If it is > > possible, > > > > get a > > > > second opinion on whatever matter you question, the doc can't deny > > you > > > > that. > > > > If you feel comfortable with a consensus of two doctors even if > > it's > > > not > > > > the > > > > treatment you originally set out for, follow that if you wish. But > > > don't > > > > just go on one doctor's opinion in order to please him. It's your > > body > > > > you > > > > need to please, not the doctor. > > > > > > > > I'm not trying to give you a lecture here, I just want to help you > > see > > > > the > > > > big picture and help you as much as I can. You deserve that. > > > > > > > > Take care and best of luck to you!! > > > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 Your doctor is pulling the wool over your eyes, by naming all those conditions that he is treating with the test results he gets and the CRP is unnecessary. He is giving you a great bs job. Ask him what is the most important test to predict inflamation and impending heart attacks, and note his answer. Of course he is going to say cholesterol or high blood pressure. He gets paid to prescribe drugs for these conditions. He can also get paid for prescribing medications for remedying high CRP conditions, but for heaven sakes let's not bucvk the fad in the local community. After all what would all those other doctors think of him. A good salesman, especially one in authority, can always explain why one should accept his pitch rather than something he knows little about. If you are a diabetic, get the CRP test done. If the results are under 3.0 be glad, and if the results are below 2.0 be ecstatic. If it is high, then you can do something about it to get tbetter and reduce your chances of having a heart attack. The most common complication of a diabetic is heart trouble. So get the information for yourself, if nothing else. Re: crp test >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Dave, >> > > > >> > > > When it comes to your health, even your doctor is not the sole >> > expert. >> > > He >> > > > can recommend all he wants, but it's YOUR health at stake, not > his. >> > > It's >> > > > up >> > > > to you how you want to manage your health, and if you feel >> > comfortable >> > > > with >> > > > one method and he/she another, yes you have a political problem > on >> > > your >> > > > hands, but again, do you win brownie points by doing it the >> > doc's >> > way >> > > > even >> > > > if it turns out wrong, or do you stick up for yourself if you > feel >> > > > strongly >> > > > enough to do an alternative to his treatment? The choice is and >> > should >> > > be >> > > > truly yours. >> > > > >> > > > One of the problems I see so often is that people are trying to >> > please >> > > > their >> > > > doctors, who might be well intentioned but not necessarily > accurate >> > in >> > > > their >> > > > treatment. After all, doc knows best and we don't want to hurt > his >> > > > feelings. >> > > > Worse, some people feel docs will make moral judgments on them >> > if >> > they >> > > > admit >> > > > to things like drinking or smoking, when in fact the truth sheds >> > more >> > > > light >> > > > enabling more accurate treatment for some patients. If it is >> > possible, >> > > > get a >> > > > second opinion on whatever matter you question, the doc can't > deny >> > you >> > > > that. >> > > > If you feel comfortable with a consensus of two doctors even if >> > it's >> > > not >> > > > the >> > > > treatment you originally set out for, follow that if you wish. > But >> > > don't >> > > > just go on one doctor's opinion in order to please him. It's >> > your >> > body >> > > > you >> > > > need to please, not the doctor. >> > > > >> > > > I'm not trying to give you a lecture here, I just want to help > you >> > see >> > > > the >> > > > big picture and help you as much as I can. You deserve that. >> > > > >> > > > Take care and best of luck to you!! >> > > > >> > > > Bill >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 Okay -- if a person is under treatment for high blood pressure and high triglycerides and has both down where they should be, what *additional* treatments would an excessive CRP reading indicate? Simply sniping about doctors won't cut it. Mike > Your doctor is pulling the wool over your eyes, by naming all those > conditions that he is treating with the test results he gets and the CRP is > unnecessary. He is giving you a great bs job. Ask him what is the most > important test to predict inflamation and impending heart attacks, and note > his answer. Of course he is going to say cholesterol or high blood > pressure. He gets paid to prescribe drugs for these conditions. He can > also get paid for prescribing medications for remedying high CRP conditions, > but for heaven sakes let's not bucvk the fad in the local community. After > all what would all those other doctors think of him. A good salesman, > especially one in authority, can always explain why one should accept his > pitch rather than something he knows little about. If you are a diabetic, > get the CRP test done. If the results are under 3.0 be glad, and if the > results are below 2.0 be ecstatic. If it is high, then you can do something > about it to get tbetter and reduce your chances of having a heart attack. > The most common complication of a diabetic is heart trouble. So get the > information for yourself, if nothing else. > Re: crp test >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > Dave, >>>> > > >>>> > > When it comes to your health, even your doctor is not the sole >>>> expert. >>>> > He >>>> > > can recommend all he wants, but it's YOUR health at stake, not >> his. >>>> > It's >>>> > > up >>>> > > to you how you want to manage your health, and if you feel >>>> comfortable >>>> > > with >>>> > > one method and he/she another, yes you have a political problem >> on >>>> > your >>>> > > hands, but again, do you win brownie points by doing it the >>>> doc's >>>> way >>>> > > even >>>> > > if it turns out wrong, or do you stick up for yourself if you >> feel >>>> > > strongly >>>> > > enough to do an alternative to his treatment? The choice is and >>>> should >>>> > be >>>> > > truly yours. >>>> > > >>>> > > One of the problems I see so often is that people are trying to >>>> please >>>> > > their >>>> > > doctors, who might be well intentioned but not necessarily >> accurate >>>> in >>>> > > their >>>> > > treatment. After all, doc knows best and we don't want to hurt >> his >>>> > > feelings. >>>> > > Worse, some people feel docs will make moral judgments on them >>>> if >>>> they >>>> > > admit >>>> > > to things like drinking or smoking, when in fact the truth sheds >>>> more >>>> > > light >>>> > > enabling more accurate treatment for some patients. If it is >>>> possible, >>>> > > get a >>>> > > second opinion on whatever matter you question, the doc can't >> deny >>>> you >>>> > > that. >>>> > > If you feel comfortable with a consensus of two doctors even if >>>> it's >>>> > not >>>> > > the >>>> > > treatment you originally set out for, follow that if you wish. >> But >>>> > don't >>>> > > just go on one doctor's opinion in order to please him. It's >>>> your >>>> body >>>> > > you >>>> > > need to please, not the doctor. >>>> > > >>>> > > I'm not trying to give you a lecture here, I just want to help >> you >>>> see >>>> > > the >>>> > > big picture and help you as much as I can. You deserve that. >>>> > > >>>> > > Take care and best of luck to you!! >>>> > > >>>> > > Bill >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 The CRP measures the inflamation level in the blood stream. Guess what is the most common cause of inflamation? If you guessed infection, you get a gold star. One of the most effective treatments for infections is an antibiotic, which only doctors can prescribe. Re: crp test >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Dave, >>>>> > > >>>>> > > When it comes to your health, even your doctor is not the sole >>>>> expert. >>>>> > He >>>>> > > can recommend all he wants, but it's YOUR health at stake, not >>> his. >>>>> > It's >>>>> > > up >>>>> > > to you how you want to manage your health, and if you feel >>>>> comfortable >>>>> > > with >>>>> > > one method and he/she another, yes you have a political problem >>> on >>>>> > your >>>>> > > hands, but again, do you win brownie points by doing it the >>>>> doc's >>>>> way >>>>> > > even >>>>> > > if it turns out wrong, or do you stick up for yourself if you >>> feel >>>>> > > strongly >>>>> > > enough to do an alternative to his treatment? The choice is and >>>>> should >>>>> > be >>>>> > > truly yours. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > One of the problems I see so often is that people are trying to >>>>> please >>>>> > > their >>>>> > > doctors, who might be well intentioned but not necessarily >>> accurate >>>>> in >>>>> > > their >>>>> > > treatment. After all, doc knows best and we don't want to hurt >>> his >>>>> > > feelings. >>>>> > > Worse, some people feel docs will make moral judgments on them >>>>> if >>>>> they >>>>> > > admit >>>>> > > to things like drinking or smoking, when in fact the truth sheds >>>>> more >>>>> > > light >>>>> > > enabling more accurate treatment for some patients. If it is >>>>> possible, >>>>> > > get a >>>>> > > second opinion on whatever matter you question, the doc can't >>> deny >>>>> you >>>>> > > that. >>>>> > > If you feel comfortable with a consensus of two doctors even if >>>>> it's >>>>> > not >>>>> > > the >>>>> > > treatment you originally set out for, follow that if you wish. >>> But >>>>> > don't >>>>> > > just go on one doctor's opinion in order to please him. It's >>>>> your >>>>> body >>>>> > > you >>>>> > > need to please, not the doctor. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > I'm not trying to give you a lecture here, I just want to help >>> you >>>>> see >>>>> > > the >>>>> > > big picture and help you as much as I can. You deserve that. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Take care and best of luck to you!! >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Bill >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 The CRP measures the inflamation level in the blood stream. Guess what is the most common cause of inflamation? If you guessed infection, you get a gold star. One of the most effective treatments for infections is an antibiotic, which only doctors can prescribe. Re: crp test >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Dave, >>>>> > > >>>>> > > When it comes to your health, even your doctor is not the sole >>>>> expert. >>>>> > He >>>>> > > can recommend all he wants, but it's YOUR health at stake, not >>> his. >>>>> > It's >>>>> > > up >>>>> > > to you how you want to manage your health, and if you feel >>>>> comfortable >>>>> > > with >>>>> > > one method and he/she another, yes you have a political problem >>> on >>>>> > your >>>>> > > hands, but again, do you win brownie points by doing it the >>>>> doc's >>>>> way >>>>> > > even >>>>> > > if it turns out wrong, or do you stick up for yourself if you >>> feel >>>>> > > strongly >>>>> > > enough to do an alternative to his treatment? The choice is and >>>>> should >>>>> > be >>>>> > > truly yours. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > One of the problems I see so often is that people are trying to >>>>> please >>>>> > > their >>>>> > > doctors, who might be well intentioned but not necessarily >>> accurate >>>>> in >>>>> > > their >>>>> > > treatment. After all, doc knows best and we don't want to hurt >>> his >>>>> > > feelings. >>>>> > > Worse, some people feel docs will make moral judgments on them >>>>> if >>>>> they >>>>> > > admit >>>>> > > to things like drinking or smoking, when in fact the truth sheds >>>>> more >>>>> > > light >>>>> > > enabling more accurate treatment for some patients. If it is >>>>> possible, >>>>> > > get a >>>>> > > second opinion on whatever matter you question, the doc can't >>> deny >>>>> you >>>>> > > that. >>>>> > > If you feel comfortable with a consensus of two doctors even if >>>>> it's >>>>> > not >>>>> > > the >>>>> > > treatment you originally set out for, follow that if you wish. >>> But >>>>> > don't >>>>> > > just go on one doctor's opinion in order to please him. It's >>>>> your >>>>> body >>>>> > > you >>>>> > > need to please, not the doctor. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > I'm not trying to give you a lecture here, I just want to help >>> you >>>>> see >>>>> > > the >>>>> > > big picture and help you as much as I can. You deserve that. >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Take care and best of luck to you!! >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Bill >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 The CRP will tell you if there is any inflammation in your vessels; this would increase your chance of heart attack. Your vessels can get " patthches: of inflammation and that spot can cause a clot to form which in turn can be carried into your heart, lungs or brain. Re: crp test Okay -- if a person is under treatment for high blood pressure and high triglycerides and has both down where they should be, what *additional* treatments would an excessive CRP reading indicate? Simply sniping about doctors won't cut it. Mike > Your doctor is pulling the wool over your eyes, by naming all those > conditions that he is treating with the test results he gets and the CRP is > unnecessary. He is giving you a great bs job. Ask him what is the most > important test to predict inflamation and impending heart attacks, and note > his answer. Of course he is going to say cholesterol or high blood > pressure. He gets paid to prescribe drugs for these conditions. He can > also get paid for prescribing medications for remedying high CRP conditions, > but for heaven sakes let's not bucvk the fad in the local community. After > all what would all those other doctors think of him. A good salesman, > especially one in authority, can always explain why one should accept his > pitch rather than something he knows little about. If you are a diabetic, > get the CRP test done. If the results are under 3.0 be glad, and if the > results are below 2.0 be ecstatic. If it is high, then you can do something > about it to get tbetter and reduce your chances of having a heart attack. > The most common complication of a diabetic is heart trouble. So get the > information for yourself, if nothing else. > Re: crp test >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > Dave, >>>> > > >>>> > > When it comes to your health, even your doctor is not the sole >>>> expert. >>>> > He >>>> > > can recommend all he wants, but it's YOUR health at stake, not >> his. >>>> > It's >>>> > > up >>>> > > to you how you want to manage your health, and if you feel >>>> comfortable >>>> > > with >>>> > > one method and he/she another, yes you have a political problem >> on >>>> > your >>>> > > hands, but again, do you win brownie points by doing it the >>>> doc's >>>> way >>>> > > even >>>> > > if it turns out wrong, or do you stick up for yourself if you >> feel >>>> > > strongly >>>> > > enough to do an alternative to his treatment? The choice is and >>>> should >>>> > be >>>> > > truly yours. >>>> > > >>>> > > One of the problems I see so often is that people are trying to >>>> please >>>> > > their >>>> > > doctors, who might be well intentioned but not necessarily >> accurate >>>> in >>>> > > their >>>> > > treatment. After all, doc knows best and we don't want to hurt >> his >>>> > > feelings. >>>> > > Worse, some people feel docs will make moral judgments on them >>>> if >>>> they >>>> > > admit >>>> > > to things like drinking or smoking, when in fact the truth sheds >>>> more >>>> > > light >>>> > > enabling more accurate treatment for some patients. If it is >>>> possible, >>>> > > get a >>>> > > second opinion on whatever matter you question, the doc can't >> deny >>>> you >>>> > > that. >>>> > > If you feel comfortable with a consensus of two doctors even if >>>> it's >>>> > not >>>> > > the >>>> > > treatment you originally set out for, follow that if you wish. >> But >>>> > don't >>>> > > just go on one doctor's opinion in order to please him. It's >>>> your >>>> body >>>> > > you >>>> > > need to please, not the doctor. >>>> > > >>>> > > I'm not trying to give you a lecture here, I just want to help >> you >>>> see >>>> > > the >>>> > > big picture and help you as much as I can. You deserve that. >>>> > > >>>> > > Take care and best of luck to you!! >>>> > > >>>> > > Bill >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 3, 2005 Report Share Posted June 3, 2005 The CRP will tell you if there is any inflammation in your vessels; this would increase your chance of heart attack. Your vessels can get " patthches: of inflammation and that spot can cause a clot to form which in turn can be carried into your heart, lungs or brain. Re: crp test Okay -- if a person is under treatment for high blood pressure and high triglycerides and has both down where they should be, what *additional* treatments would an excessive CRP reading indicate? Simply sniping about doctors won't cut it. Mike > Your doctor is pulling the wool over your eyes, by naming all those > conditions that he is treating with the test results he gets and the CRP is > unnecessary. He is giving you a great bs job. Ask him what is the most > important test to predict inflamation and impending heart attacks, and note > his answer. Of course he is going to say cholesterol or high blood > pressure. He gets paid to prescribe drugs for these conditions. He can > also get paid for prescribing medications for remedying high CRP conditions, > but for heaven sakes let's not bucvk the fad in the local community. After > all what would all those other doctors think of him. A good salesman, > especially one in authority, can always explain why one should accept his > pitch rather than something he knows little about. If you are a diabetic, > get the CRP test done. If the results are under 3.0 be glad, and if the > results are below 2.0 be ecstatic. If it is high, then you can do something > about it to get tbetter and reduce your chances of having a heart attack. > The most common complication of a diabetic is heart trouble. So get the > information for yourself, if nothing else. > Re: crp test >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > Dave, >>>> > > >>>> > > When it comes to your health, even your doctor is not the sole >>>> expert. >>>> > He >>>> > > can recommend all he wants, but it's YOUR health at stake, not >> his. >>>> > It's >>>> > > up >>>> > > to you how you want to manage your health, and if you feel >>>> comfortable >>>> > > with >>>> > > one method and he/she another, yes you have a political problem >> on >>>> > your >>>> > > hands, but again, do you win brownie points by doing it the >>>> doc's >>>> way >>>> > > even >>>> > > if it turns out wrong, or do you stick up for yourself if you >> feel >>>> > > strongly >>>> > > enough to do an alternative to his treatment? The choice is and >>>> should >>>> > be >>>> > > truly yours. >>>> > > >>>> > > One of the problems I see so often is that people are trying to >>>> please >>>> > > their >>>> > > doctors, who might be well intentioned but not necessarily >> accurate >>>> in >>>> > > their >>>> > > treatment. After all, doc knows best and we don't want to hurt >> his >>>> > > feelings. >>>> > > Worse, some people feel docs will make moral judgments on them >>>> if >>>> they >>>> > > admit >>>> > > to things like drinking or smoking, when in fact the truth sheds >>>> more >>>> > > light >>>> > > enabling more accurate treatment for some patients. If it is >>>> possible, >>>> > > get a >>>> > > second opinion on whatever matter you question, the doc can't >> deny >>>> you >>>> > > that. >>>> > > If you feel comfortable with a consensus of two doctors even if >>>> it's >>>> > not >>>> > > the >>>> > > treatment you originally set out for, follow that if you wish. >> But >>>> > don't >>>> > > just go on one doctor's opinion in order to please him. It's >>>> your >>>> body >>>> > > you >>>> > > need to please, not the doctor. >>>> > > >>>> > > I'm not trying to give you a lecture here, I just want to help >> you >>>> see >>>> > > the >>>> > > big picture and help you as much as I can. You deserve that. >>>> > > >>>> > > Take care and best of luck to you!! >>>> > > >>>> > > Bill >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 Hey, I've been sticking needles in my body, and having them stuck in my body by others, since I was eleven! No big deal! <smile> Dave Re: crp test > > > > > > > > > Dave, > > > > > > When it comes to your health, even your doctor is not the sole > expert. > > He > > > can recommend all he wants, but it's YOUR health at stake, not his. > > It's > > > up > > > to you how you want to manage your health, and if you feel > comfortable > > > with > > > one method and he/she another, yes you have a political problem on > > your > > > hands, but again, do you win brownie points by doing it the doc's > way > > > even > > > if it turns out wrong, or do you stick up for yourself if you feel > > > strongly > > > enough to do an alternative to his treatment? The choice is and > should > > be > > > truly yours. > > > > > > One of the problems I see so often is that people are trying to > please > > > their > > > doctors, who might be well intentioned but not necessarily accurate > in > > > their > > > treatment. After all, doc knows best and we don't want to hurt his > > > feelings. > > > Worse, some people feel docs will make moral judgments on them if > they > > > admit > > > to things like drinking or smoking, when in fact the truth sheds > more > > > light > > > enabling more accurate treatment for some patients. If it is > possible, > > > get a > > > second opinion on whatever matter you question, the doc can't deny > you > > > that. > > > If you feel comfortable with a consensus of two doctors even if > it's > > not > > > the > > > treatment you originally set out for, follow that if you wish. But > > don't > > > just go on one doctor's opinion in order to please him. It's your > body > > > you > > > need to please, not the doctor. > > > > > > I'm not trying to give you a lecture here, I just want to help you > see > > > the > > > big picture and help you as much as I can. You deserve that. > > > > > > Take care and best of luck to you!! > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 4, 2005 Report Share Posted June 4, 2005 Hey, I've been sticking needles in my body, and having them stuck in my body by others, since I was eleven! No big deal! <smile> Dave Re: crp test > > > > > > > > > Dave, > > > > > > When it comes to your health, even your doctor is not the sole > expert. > > He > > > can recommend all he wants, but it's YOUR health at stake, not his. > > It's > > > up > > > to you how you want to manage your health, and if you feel > comfortable > > > with > > > one method and he/she another, yes you have a political problem on > > your > > > hands, but again, do you win brownie points by doing it the doc's > way > > > even > > > if it turns out wrong, or do you stick up for yourself if you feel > > > strongly > > > enough to do an alternative to his treatment? The choice is and > should > > be > > > truly yours. > > > > > > One of the problems I see so often is that people are trying to > please > > > their > > > doctors, who might be well intentioned but not necessarily accurate > in > > > their > > > treatment. After all, doc knows best and we don't want to hurt his > > > feelings. > > > Worse, some people feel docs will make moral judgments on them if > they > > > admit > > > to things like drinking or smoking, when in fact the truth sheds > more > > > light > > > enabling more accurate treatment for some patients. If it is > possible, > > > get a > > > second opinion on whatever matter you question, the doc can't deny > you > > > that. > > > If you feel comfortable with a consensus of two doctors even if > it's > > not > > > the > > > treatment you originally set out for, follow that if you wish. But > > don't > > > just go on one doctor's opinion in order to please him. It's your > body > > > you > > > need to please, not the doctor. > > > > > > I'm not trying to give you a lecture here, I just want to help you > see > > > the > > > big picture and help you as much as I can. You deserve that. > > > > > > Take care and best of luck to you!! > > > > > > Bill > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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