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HIya another Rich in Mexico

WHere in Mexico are you? I've been hoping to improve enough cognitively to

relocate either to Mexico or Costa Rica.

I know that being closer to the equator will help me. I have also a deep

interest in indigenous healing.

Yes, do get yourself tested for Lyme disease. A search of the archives will

yield you the best tests to determine Lyme.

BY, the way, you have a year and a few days on me. Mine was sudden onset on

April 22,1990 about 4 pm.

Muchas gracias

mjh

In a message dated 3/11/2006 3:51:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,

racr27@... writes:

I know

many of you for different reasons can not pick up and move to Mexico

but for some of you I think the move could help. I bought a nice home

for 60 thousand dollars, which is a pretty good deal for a place with

San Diego weather. I also live cheaply with low property taxs and

cheap utility bills. Being completely disabled it's nice to be able to

hire help for $20.00 a day. Also I know you have all heard stories

about

crime, home ownership, and many other problems in Mexico. In my 8

full years here I have far less problems than I had living in

California. Ok enough about Mexico but I will answer anyones questions

or fears about living here. I

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Hi Rich,

I'm in the UK, so our tests are way behind the US. However, my last

tick bite was 20 years ago and the organism has been identified via

blood microscopy. It doesn't just disappear, SADLY, and it would give

you one target to address.

>

> Hey you guys are good. I'm impressed with the wealth of knowledge

> I have recieved in my first day with this group. I haven't been in a

> cfids support group in ten years and was really missing hearing from

> informed people. Now I think I have found a home. I have sudden onset

> cfids, Apr.2,1989. I quit experimenting on my cfids in 1998 after

> seeing dozens of doctors and injesting dozens of experimental pills

> and potions. I was sicker every month not from cfids but from the new

> pill or injection of the month. The main things I have done during the

> last 7 years to help my self to feel better was to reduce my stress

> drastically and move to a home in Mexico near the ocean. My cfids is

> still with me daily but not like before. I suffer from multiple

> chemical sensitivities but a clean sea breeze really helps. I know

> many of you for different reasons can not pick up and move to Mexico

> but for some of you I think the move could help. I bought a nice home

> for 60 thousand dollars, which is a pretty good deal for a place with

> San Diego weather. I also live cheaply with low property taxs and

> cheap utility bills. Being completely disabled it's nice to be able to

> hire help for $20.00 a day. Also I know you have all heard stories

> about

> crime, home ownership, and many other problems in Mexico. In my 8

> full years here I have far less problems than I had living in

> California. Ok enough about Mexico but I will answer anyones questions

> or fears about living here. I have many cfids questions but I will

> only ask one. Approximately 5 months before my sudden onset with cfids

> I had a tick bite on my leg that I watched go from a red mark to a

> bulls eye that grew larger in diameter. At the time I didn't know what

> it was but I mentioned it to all the doctors I went to. Only one

> doctor thought it might be something and tested me for lymes. He said

> the test didn't show much so I forgot about it. Now I know that I had

> lymes disease just before I came down with cfids. My question is would

> it do any good to be tested again for lymes after 17 years? Ok I will

> look for the answer. You all take care.

> Besos & abrazos Rich

>

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In a message dated 3/11/2006 9:03:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jenbooks13@... writes:

My advice would be to go get a couple bottles of amoxicillin

and start with 500 mg 3x day and build up slowly, as you can tolerate

the die-off, to 2000 mg 3x day or better yet 1500 mg 4x day (to keep

high levels constant) and stay on that for a few years if you can

Gee whiz, Jill, I think I saw that in the feed and grain store the other day.

No prescription needed if you are a horse or a cow or a goat.

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Hi, Rich in Mexico.

I'm Rich in California. Welcome. Buenos dias!

I agree that it would be a good idea to be tested for Lyme disease.

Check out http://www.igenex.com or http://www.immuno-sci-com. You

would probably need to do an antibiotic provoked test to have the

best chance of detecting the Borrelia, but if you contact these

labs, they can advise you.

Rich

>

> Hey you guys are good. I'm impressed with the wealth of

knowledge

> I have recieved in my first day with this group. I haven't been in

a

> cfids support group in ten years and was really missing hearing

from

> informed people. Now I think I have found a home. I have sudden

onset

> cfids, Apr.2,1989. I quit experimenting on my cfids in 1998 after

> seeing dozens of doctors and injesting dozens of experimental

pills

> and potions. I was sicker every month not from cfids but from the

new

> pill or injection of the month. The main things I have done during

the

> last 7 years to help my self to feel better was to reduce my

stress

> drastically and move to a home in Mexico near the ocean. My cfids

is

> still with me daily but not like before. I suffer from multiple

> chemical sensitivities but a clean sea breeze really helps. I know

> many of you for different reasons can not pick up and move to

Mexico

> but for some of you I think the move could help. I bought a nice

home

> for 60 thousand dollars, which is a pretty good deal for a place

with

> San Diego weather. I also live cheaply with low property taxs and

> cheap utility bills. Being completely disabled it's nice to be

able to

> hire help for $20.00 a day. Also I know you have all heard stories

> about

> crime, home ownership, and many other problems in Mexico. In my 8

> full years here I have far less problems than I had living in

> California. Ok enough about Mexico but I will answer anyones

questions

> or fears about living here. I have many cfids questions but I will

> only ask one. Approximately 5 months before my sudden onset with

cfids

> I had a tick bite on my leg that I watched go from a red mark to a

> bulls eye that grew larger in diameter. At the time I didn't know

what

> it was but I mentioned it to all the doctors I went to. Only one

> doctor thought it might be something and tested me for lymes. He

said

> the test didn't show much so I forgot about it. Now I know that I

had

> lymes disease just before I came down with cfids. My question is

would

> it do any good to be tested again for lymes after 17 years? Ok I

will

> look for the answer. You all take care.

> Besos & abrazos Rich

>

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Hi Rich,

I was in a similar situation. I have had CFIDS for 14 years and tested

(supposedly) negative for Lymes at that time even though I had been

bitten many times by ticks. I was recently tested again at a reputable

lab (IgeneX) and tested positive immediately. It is a relief to know

for sure exactly what one has and Lyme has treatments specific to it.

All the best!

Ballady

>

> Hey you guys are good. I'm impressed with the wealth of knowledge

> I have recieved in my first day with this group. I haven't been in a

> cfids support group in ten years and was really missing hearing from

> informed people. Now I think I have found a home. I have sudden onset

> cfids, Apr.2,1989. I quit experimenting on my cfids in 1998 after

> seeing dozens of doctors and injesting dozens of experimental pills

> and potions. I was sicker every month not from cfids but from the new

> pill or injection of the month. The main things I have done during the

> last 7 years to help my self to feel better was to reduce my stress

> drastically and move to a home in Mexico near the ocean. My cfids is

> still with me daily but not like before. I suffer from multiple

> chemical sensitivities but a clean sea breeze really helps. I know

> many of you for different reasons can not pick up and move to Mexico

> but for some of you I think the move could help. I bought a nice home

> for 60 thousand dollars, which is a pretty good deal for a place with

> San Diego weather. I also live cheaply with low property taxs and

> cheap utility bills. Being completely disabled it's nice to be able to

> hire help for $20.00 a day. Also I know you have all heard stories

> about

> crime, home ownership, and many other problems in Mexico. In my 8

> full years here I have far less problems than I had living in

> California. Ok enough about Mexico but I will answer anyones questions

> or fears about living here. I have many cfids questions but I will

> only ask one. Approximately 5 months before my sudden onset with cfids

> I had a tick bite on my leg that I watched go from a red mark to a

> bulls eye that grew larger in diameter. At the time I didn't know what

> it was but I mentioned it to all the doctors I went to. Only one

> doctor thought it might be something and tested me for lymes. He said

> the test didn't show much so I forgot about it. Now I know that I had

> lymes disease just before I came down with cfids. My question is would

> it do any good to be tested again for lymes after 17 years? Ok I will

> look for the answer. You all take care.

> Besos & abrazos Rich

>

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In a message dated 3/11/2006 9:08:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jenbooks13@... writes:

YEah but in Mexico there are border towns with literally 95 pharmacies

in a few square blocks, and a bottle of 500 pills of amoxicillin is

about $5 or $10 or something ridiculously cheap.

This guy can get well! And for pennies!

At Medsmex.com it's considerably more expensive.

BUT via script at Drugstore.com, it's relatively cheap

_http://www.drugstore.com/pharmacy/prices/drugprice.asp?ndc=00781261305 & trx=1Z

5006_

(http://www.drugstore.com/pharmacy/prices/drugprice.asp?ndc=00781261305 & trx=1Z50\

06)

mjh

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http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

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In a message dated 3/11/2006 11:03:42 PM Eastern Standard Time,

foxhillers@... writes:

In a message dated 3/11/2006 9:08:03 PM Eastern Standard Time,

jenbooks13@... writes:

YEah but in Mexico there are border towns with literally 95 pharmacies

in a few square blocks, and a bottle of 500 pills of amoxicillin is

about $5 or $10 or something ridiculously cheap.

This guy can get well! And for pennies!

At Medsmex.com it's considerably more expensive.

BUT via script at Drugstore.com, it's relatively cheap

_http://www.drugstore.com/pharmacy/prices/drugprice.asp?ndc=00781261305 & trx=1Z

5006_

(http://www.drugstore.com/pharmacy/prices/drugprice.asp?ndc=00781261305 & trx=1Z

5006)

And, if something seems fishy, there's always ebay

_http://cgi.ebay.com/Aquafish-Amoxicillin-Antibiotic-250-mg-100-Capsules_W0QQi

temZ7750448913QQcategoryZ20751QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem_

(http://cgi.ebay.com/Aquafish-Amoxicillin-Antibiotic-250-mg-100-Capsules_W0QQite\

mZ77504

48913QQcategoryZ20751QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem)

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I doubt I would ever relocate to Mexico but I want to hear all about

it too. It seems like the medical care there is better and cheaper but

I doubt I could get my vitamin/mineral IV's and my IVIG down there.

>

>

>

> HIya another Rich in Mexico

>

> WHere in Mexico are you? I've been hoping to improve enough

cognitively to

> relocate either to Mexico or Costa Rica.

>

> I know that being closer to the equator will help me. I have also a

deep

> interest in indigenous healing.

>

> Yes, do get yourself tested for Lyme disease. A search of the

archives will

> yield you the best tests to determine Lyme.

>

> BY, the way, you have a year and a few days on me. Mine was sudden

onset on

> April 22,1990 about 4 pm.

>

> Muchas gracias

> mjh

>

> In a message dated 3/11/2006 3:51:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> racr27@... writes:

>

> I know

> many of you for different reasons can not pick up and move to Mexico

> but for some of you I think the move could help. I bought a nice home

> for 60 thousand dollars, which is a pretty good deal for a place with

> San Diego weather. I also live cheaply with low property taxs and

> cheap utility bills. Being completely disabled it's nice to be able to

> hire help for $20.00 a day. Also I know you have all heard stories

> about

> crime, home ownership, and many other problems in Mexico. In my 8

> full years here I have far less problems than I had living in

> California. Ok enough about Mexico but I will answer anyones questions

> or fears about living here. I

>

>

>

>

> mjh

> " The Basil Book "

> http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

>

>

>

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If this is genuinely the case, no need to test. Your sudden onset

CFIDS is and was lyme disease. The bullseye is diagnostic for lyme.

Antibiotics are very cheap in Mexico--I recall this from the border

towns. My advice would be to go get a couple bottles of amoxicillin

and start with 500 mg 3x day and build up slowly, as you can tolerate

the die-off, to 2000 mg 3x day or better yet 1500 mg 4x day (to keep

high levels constant) and stay on that for a few years if you can. I

can't do that because of severe fungal issues, but I know several

people who got completely well doing high dose amoxicillin. It is a

very nontoxic antibiotic and can be taken in extremely high doses,

and the higher doses that I am suggesting are for CNS penetration.

I have many cfids questions but I will

> only ask one. Approximately 5 months before my sudden onset with cfids

> I had a tick bite on my leg that I watched go from a red mark to a

> bulls eye that grew larger in diameter.

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P.S. The reasoning here, which has proved correct, is that syphilis, a

similar spirochete, never became resistant to penicillin.

This is a broad spectrum penicillin.

I noticed when taking it for my tooth troubles, I decided to take 3

grams a day, and almost immediately my lyme symptoms improved (stiff

neck eased and was mobile, neuropathic buzzing stopped, and I felt

stronger). But as I said, fungal issues for me are too severe so I

have to find other means or get rid of the fungus and I can't tolerate

diflucan .

>

> If this is genuinely the case, no need to test. Your sudden onset

> CFIDS is and was lyme disease. The bullseye is diagnostic for lyme.

> Antibiotics are very cheap in Mexico--I recall this from the border

> towns. My advice would be to go get a couple bottles of amoxicillin

> and start with 500 mg 3x day and build up slowly, as you can tolerate

> the die-off, to 2000 mg 3x day or better yet 1500 mg 4x day (to keep

> high levels constant) and stay on that for a few years if you can. I

> can't do that because of severe fungal issues, but I know several

> people who got completely well doing high dose amoxicillin. It is a

> very nontoxic antibiotic and can be taken in extremely high doses,

> and the higher doses that I am suggesting are for CNS penetration.

>

>

> I have many cfids questions but I will

> > only ask one. Approximately 5 months before my sudden onset with

cfids

> > I had a tick bite on my leg that I watched go from a red mark to a

> > bulls eye that grew larger in diameter.

>

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YEah but in Mexico there are border towns with literally 95 pharmacies

in a few square blocks, and a bottle of 500 pills of amoxicillin is

about $5 or $10 or something ridiculously cheap.

This guy can get well! And for pennies!

>

>

> In a message dated 3/11/2006 9:03:54 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> jenbooks13@... writes:

>

> My advice would be to go get a couple bottles of amoxicillin

> and start with 500 mg 3x day and build up slowly, as you can tolerate

> the die-off, to 2000 mg 3x day or better yet 1500 mg 4x day (to keep

> high levels constant) and stay on that for a few years if you can

>

>

> Gee whiz, Jill, I think I saw that in the feed and grain store the

other day.

>

> No prescription needed if you are a horse or a cow or a goat.

>

> mjh

> " The Basil Book "

> http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

>

>

>

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Yes, definately worth looking into!! I am currently being treated at the

FFC (fibro and fatigue center) for fibromyalgia and cfs. My first apt was

last Monday. When I told the doctor about a probable tick bite and

resulting lyme infection that occured 10 years ago, she felt confident it

was responsible for my illness. She ordered several blood tests and

believes that she will be able to treat me. So, definately look into into

it. I know that many others here have recently talked about some reputable

lab companies to do the correct testing. Just search the archives and you

will find a lot of helpful information!

-Dawn

>From: " racr27 " <racr27@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: new guy on the block

>Date: Sat, 11 Mar 2006 08:40:14 -0000

>

> Hey you guys are good. I'm impressed with the wealth of knowledge

>I have recieved in my first day with this group. I haven't been in a

>cfids support group in ten years and was really missing hearing from

>informed people. Now I think I have found a home. I have sudden onset

>cfids, Apr.2,1989. I quit experimenting on my cfids in 1998 after

>seeing dozens of doctors and injesting dozens of experimental pills

>and potions. I was sicker every month not from cfids but from the new

>pill or injection of the month. The main things I have done during the

>last 7 years to help my self to feel better was to reduce my stress

>drastically and move to a home in Mexico near the ocean. My cfids is

>still with me daily but not like before. I suffer from multiple

>chemical sensitivities but a clean sea breeze really helps. I know

>many of you for different reasons can not pick up and move to Mexico

>but for some of you I think the move could help. I bought a nice home

>for 60 thousand dollars, which is a pretty good deal for a place with

>San Diego weather. I also live cheaply with low property taxs and

>cheap utility bills. Being completely disabled it's nice to be able to

>hire help for $20.00 a day. Also I know you have all heard stories

>about

> crime, home ownership, and many other problems in Mexico. In my 8

>full years here I have far less problems than I had living in

>California. Ok enough about Mexico but I will answer anyones questions

>or fears about living here. I have many cfids questions but I will

>only ask one. Approximately 5 months before my sudden onset with cfids

>I had a tick bite on my leg that I watched go from a red mark to a

>bulls eye that grew larger in diameter. At the time I didn't know what

>it was but I mentioned it to all the doctors I went to. Only one

>doctor thought it might be something and tested me for lymes. He said

>the test didn't show much so I forgot about it. Now I know that I had

>lymes disease just before I came down with cfids. My question is would

>it do any good to be tested again for lymes after 17 years? Ok I will

>look for the answer. You all take care.

> Besos & abrazos Rich

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

>other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

>discussed here, please consult your doctor.

>

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Dawn

Which Fibro and Fatigue Center do you go to? Will you share the diagnoses,

test results and treatment protocol with us here?

In a message dated 3/11/2006 11:46:32 PM Eastern Standard Time,

dawnmunn@... writes:

Yes, definately worth looking into!! I am currently being treated at the

FFC (fibro and fatigue center) for fibromyalgia and cfs. My first apt was

last Monday. When I told the doctor about a probable tick bite and

resulting lyme infection that occured 10 years ago, she felt confident it

was responsible for my illness. She ordered several blood tests and

believes that she will be able to treat me. So, definately look into into

it. I know that many others here have recently talked about some reputable

lab companies to do the correct testing. Just search the archives and you

will find a lot of helpful information!

-Dawn

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Please be careful with this diagnosing and advice. Some of us cannot tolerate

mega-antibiotics, and I am allergic to Amoxicillin specifically (among others.)

I am not talking about die-off and herxing, but allergy and other serious

problems.

Even " die-off " or " herxing " needs to be handled cautiously.

There can be many chain reactions from things that we take, even those that are

helping something.

It is dangerous for some of us to throw ourselves onto drugs, even small doses,

and Rich has stated that his worst times were from reactions to drugs.

So, this may be a good idea, but the above are important, too.

Katrina

>

> If this is genuinely the case, no need to test. Your sudden onset

> CFIDS is and was lyme disease. The bullseye is diagnostic for lyme.

> Antibiotics are very cheap in Mexico--I recall this from the border

> towns. My advice would be to go get a couple bottles of amoxicillin

> and start with 500 mg 3x day and build up slowly, as you can tolerate

> the die-off, to 2000 mg 3x day or better yet 1500 mg 4x day (to keep

> high levels constant) and stay on that for a few years if you can. I

> can't do that because of severe fungal issues, but I know several

> people who got completely well doing high dose amoxicillin. It is a

> very nontoxic antibiotic and can be taken in extremely high doses,

> and the higher doses that I am suggesting are for CNS penetration.

>

>

> I have many cfids questions but I will

> > only ask one. Approximately 5 months before my sudden onset with cfids

> > I had a tick bite on my leg that I watched go from a red mark to a

> > bulls eye that grew larger in diameter.

>

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Another guy, Bob, who I believe is on this list, said that he felt

better in Mexico - and when he slept in a tent in the desert.

Did you ever think that there could just be less electrosmog down

there? (see my post on how microwaves weaknen the immune system.)

Though I am sure that is changing fast with the cell phone towers

popping up all over. The following maps are a bit behind but it will

give you an idea of where the masts were and were not. It would be

interesting to be able to correlate this with the amount of CFS in

different countries.

http://www.cellular-news.com/coverage/

paul d.

> >

> >

> >

> > HIya another Rich in Mexico

> >

> > WHere in Mexico are you? I've been hoping to improve enough

> cognitively to

> > relocate either to Mexico or Costa Rica.

> >

> > I know that being closer to the equator will help me. I have

also a

> deep

> > interest in indigenous healing.

> >

> > Yes, do get yourself tested for Lyme disease. A search of the

> archives will

> > yield you the best tests to determine Lyme.

> >

> > BY, the way, you have a year and a few days on me. Mine was

sudden

> onset on

> > April 22,1990 about 4 pm.

> >

> > Muchas gracias

> > mjh

> >

> > In a message dated 3/11/2006 3:51:15 PM Eastern Standard Time,

> > racr27@ writes:

> >

> > I know

> > many of you for different reasons can not pick up and move to

Mexico

> > but for some of you I think the move could help. I bought a nice

home

> > for 60 thousand dollars, which is a pretty good deal for a place

with

> > San Diego weather. I also live cheaply with low property taxs and

> > cheap utility bills. Being completely disabled it's nice to be

able to

> > hire help for $20.00 a day. Also I know you have all heard

stories

> > about

> > crime, home ownership, and many other problems in Mexico. In my 8

> > full years here I have far less problems than I had living in

> > California. Ok enough about Mexico but I will answer anyones

questions

> > or fears about living here. I

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > mjh

> > " The Basil Book "

> > http://foxhillfarm.us/FireBasil/

> >

> >

> >

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Right, all advice should be taken with caution.

This is my advice, pure and simple. I know amoxy is a great drug for

lyme and its nontoxic--unless as you note you have a rare penicillin

allergy. I was shocked at how quickly effective it was for my lyme,

and then I asked others and got the same answer, some who'd been

bedridden adn thought they would die. Since he's on a fixed income,

and he had a bullseye rash before getting sick, it's obvious its lyme.

Its classic lyme. And, recalling how unbelievably cheap antibiotics

were in those border towns, he could self treat. I do mean to

reiterate starting " slow " and monitoring herxheimers. Rich, as you

kill the bacteria, you may temporarily feel worse. Although frankly I

didn't get herxheimers from amoxy and neither have those i've talked

to. But the high doses and longterm are necessary for CNS penetration

and the lyme is in the CNS.

> >

> > If this is genuinely the case, no need to test. Your sudden onset

> > CFIDS is and was lyme disease. The bullseye is diagnostic for lyme.

> > Antibiotics are very cheap in Mexico--I recall this from the border

> > towns. My advice would be to go get a couple bottles of amoxicillin

> > and start with 500 mg 3x day and build up slowly, as you can tolerate

> > the die-off, to 2000 mg 3x day or better yet 1500 mg 4x day (to keep

> > high levels constant) and stay on that for a few years if you can. I

> > can't do that because of severe fungal issues, but I know several

> > people who got completely well doing high dose amoxicillin. It is a

> > very nontoxic antibiotic and can be taken in extremely high doses,

> > and the higher doses that I am suggesting are for CNS penetration.

> >

> >

> > I have many cfids questions but I will

> > > only ask one. Approximately 5 months before my sudden onset with

cfids

> > > I had a tick bite on my leg that I watched go from a red mark to a

> > > bulls eye that grew larger in diameter.

> >

>

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Rich,

I looked at Immunosciences' web site and it looks like their Western blot

test does not require antibiotic provocation. Does that make sense?

Thanks,

Ellen

>

> I agree that it would be a good idea to be tested for Lyme disease.

> Check out http://www.igenex.com or http://www.immuno-sci-com. You

> would probably need to do an antibiotic provoked test to have the

> best chance of detecting the Borrelia, but if you contact these

> labs, they can advise you.

>

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Hiya (aka Mexico Rich)

Such riches you have with your new lifestyle..... look below and I will try

to respond to some of your questions. By the way, we are of the same era.

In a message dated 3/12/2006 5:30:44 PM Eastern Standard Time,

racr27@... writes:

First I want to thank all the people who wrote to help me with my probable

Lyme problem. jill1313,Kattemayo,foxhillers,Dawn, and others. How about I go

by because I live in Mexico and because several people named Rich

wrote me. Trying a coarse with amoxicillin sounds like a good start. I have no

trouble with penicillin. Drugs are less expensive down here and you don't need

prescriptions for antibiotics. We have alot of drug stores down here. Someone

wrote me that they couldn't take amoxicillin because of fungal reasons. Does

the amoxicillin cause the fungas to get out of control?

>>> The way antibiotics work is to kill all bacteria... the good gut ones as

well as the bad guys. So, when the good gut bacteria are slaughtered, this

sets up an opportunity for the normal gut fungii and yeasts to go forth and

propogate, the result being diarrhea and/or chronic fungal infections in the

gut.

My antidote with my late son was to feed him lots of homemade yoghurt while

on antibiotics to keep the gut flora balanced. It worked for him and we

never needed to resort to drugs for fungal issues. We did this for decades.

...

Two quick questions. What is herxheimes?

....

>>> Sometimes when something new is added at too high of a dose, one can get

'sick' flu like illness, so go slowly to let your body adapt and avoid being

sicker than you already are.

..

..

And what is cns penetration?

>>> CNS is cerebral system including that difficult to penetrate blood/brain

barrier.

...

I hope those aren't stupid questions.

>>>> THere ain't no such thing as a stupid question. We all have different

levels of information on different subjects.... so, ask away.

I also read in a couple of letters about diflucan. After I had been sick

maybe 3 years my doctor prescribed diflucan and a very wonderful thing

happened.

The first three days I took the diflucan I felt normal, like before cfids. I

was in seventh heaven than it was gone. I never felt better from

diflucan again, even when I doubled the dose. Any one else have that happen?

>>>> So, Diflucan helped to bring the yeast and fungii in your gut under

control. If you really felt well and do not know, then I suggest you consider

another look at yeast issues.

..

..

Oh yes another quick question. A couple of you asked if we could talk back

channel. Does that mean directly email someone? I would be happy to email

anyone directly. Anything that will help I'm very happy to do.

..

..

>>>> Yes, that's what it means.... but it also deprives the rest of us from

a sharing of information of what might work and what might not work. We are

all here to share our experience and figure out how to live happily and

healthy ever after. But, of course, the choice is yours alone.

..

..

Also I saw a letter from Doyan about cell phones that was very

interesting. I don't have a cell phone but I believe what he has to say is

probably

correct. When I got sick I lived close to an Air America radio station outside

of Dixon, Ca. The output of this station was strong enoungh to set off

electrical blasting caps two miles away. I lived just over two miles away. I

bring

this up because when I became sick I always wore a battery powered watch. Ok

this might sound crazy but when I took the watch off I felt better, put it

back on I felt worse. I believe emf does affect alot of people, even at very

low amounts.

Last question for now. I said I had sudden onset cfids on April 2, 1989 and

I did but I had spells of cfids like sickness back to 21 years old. Just

months after returning from Viet Nam. I was dizzy and had unexplained vision

problems with 20/20 and 20/15 vision. It took me almost two years to feel

better.

Than I had a spell for maybe 5 months 10 years later. And my last spell that

lasted about two months maybe 6 years later. I believe these spells were

caused by chemicals. After my cfids onset I am terribly affected by chemicals.

MCS. I miss my weekly beer.

>>> Your weekly cervesa contains yeasts.... and since you probably have an

unidentified yest fungii issues, this is why the beer is off your current menu.

...

...

My question is to the other people with sudden onset cfids did you ever

experience cfids like spells that went away before you came down with cfids?

I live in El Suazal De , Baja California, Mex.. Just outside of

Ensenada and about 65 miles south of the border and San Diego. The doctors, in

general, seem to be as good as the ones north of the border. I get one hour

visits and the cost is generally $35.00. Lab test are inexpensive but I'm sure

they can't do some of the tests we need. According to what I read in an AARP

magizine foriegners can belong to Mexican Social Security medical insurance

for about $350.00 a year. Social Security in Mexico is mainly medical help and

not retirement pay. There are 5 Mex.SS hospitals in Ensenada. There are

several other hospitals in Ensenada. I have used the military hospital and

found

the service good and the hospital clean. I have Kaiser insurance so I haven't

tried to sign up for Mexican Social Security. I can highly recomend the

dentists in Ensenada. They're work is good and if you shop around the cost is

low

compared to America. And yes they have modern equipment. For me I

find the air cleaner and less daily stress. Also I get my mail delivered in

Ensenada daily, for a cost. Someone told me they are trying to choose between

Mexico and Costa Rica. Since cfids I can't handle much heat and I like being

close to the U.S. so I choose Mexico. My wife lived in Costa Rica and

prefers Mexico for weather and far less insects. Sorry this is so long winded.

I

guess I'm just excited to find this group.

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First I want to thank all the people who wrote to help me with my probable Lyme

problem. jill1313,Kattemayo,foxhillers,Dawn, and others. How about I go by

because I live in Mexico and because several people named Rich wrote me.

Trying a coarse with amoxicillin sounds like a good start. I have no trouble

with penicillin. Drugs are less expensive down here and you don't need

prescriptions for antibiotics. We have alot of drug stores down here. Someone

wrote me that they couldn't take amoxicillin because of fungal reasons. Does the

amoxicillin cause the fungas to get out of control? Two quick questions. What is

herxheimes? And what is cns penetration? I hope those aren't stupid questions. I

also read in a couple of letters about diflucan. After I had been sick maybe 3

years my doctor prescribed diflucan and a very wonderful thing happened. The

first three days I took the diflucan I felt normal, like before cfids. I was in

seventh heaven than it was gone. I never felt better from

diflucan again, even when I doubled the dose. Any one else have that happen? Oh

yes another quick question. A couple of you asked if we could talk back channel.

Does that mean directly email someone? I would be happy to email anyone

directly. Anything that will help I'm very happy to do.

Also I saw a letter from Doyan about cell phones that was very

interesting. I don't have a cell phone but I believe what he has to say is

probably correct. When I got sick I lived close to an Air America radio station

outside of Dixon, Ca. The output of this station was strong enoungh to set off

electrical blasting caps two miles away. I lived just over two miles away. I

bring this up because when I became sick I always wore a battery powered watch.

Ok this might sound crazy but when I took the watch off I felt better, put it

back on I felt worse. I believe emf does affect alot of people, even at very low

amounts.

Last question for now. I said I had sudden onset cfids on April 2, 1989

and I did but I had spells of cfids like sickness back to 21 years old. Just

months after returning from Viet Nam. I was dizzy and had unexplained vision

problems with 20/20 and 20/15 vision. It took me almost two years to feel

better. Than I had a spell for maybe 5 months 10 years later. And my last spell

that lasted about two months maybe 6 years later. I believe these spells were

caused by chemicals. After my cfids onset I am terribly affected by chemicals.

MCS. I miss my weekly beer. My question is to the other people with sudden onset

cfids did you ever experience cfids like spells that went away before you came

down with cfids?

I live in El Suazal De , Baja California, Mex.. Just outside of

Ensenada and about 65 miles south of the border and San Diego. The doctors, in

general, seem to be as good as the ones north of the border. I get one hour

visits and the cost is generally $35.00. Lab test are inexpensive but I'm sure

they can't do some of the tests we need. According to what I read in an AARP

magizine foriegners can belong to Mexican Social Security medical insurance for

about $350.00 a year. Social Security in Mexico is mainly medical help and not

retirement pay. There are 5 Mex.SS hospitals in Ensenada. There are several

other hospitals in Ensenada. I have used the military hospital and found the

service good and the hospital clean. I have Kaiser insurance so I haven't tried

to sign up for Mexican Social Security. I can highly recomend the dentists in

Ensenada. They're work is good and if you shop around the cost is low compared

to America. And yes they have modern equipment. For me I

find the air cleaner and less daily stress. Also I get my mail delivered in

Ensenada daily, for a cost. Someone told me they are trying to choose between

Mexico and Costa Rica. Since cfids I can't handle much heat and I like being

close to the U.S. so I choose Mexico. My wife lived in Costa Rica and prefers

Mexico for weather and far less insects. Sorry this is so long winded. I guess

I'm just excited to find this group.

Dawn Munn <dawnmunn@...> wrote:

Yes, definately worth looking into!! I am currently being treated at the

FFC (fibro and fatigue center) for fibromyalgia and cfs. My first apt was

last Monday. When I told the doctor about a probable tick bite and

resulting lyme infection that occured 10 years ago, she felt confident it

was responsible for my illness. She ordered several blood tests and

believes that she will be able to treat me. So, definately look into into

it. I know that many others here have recently talked about some reputable

lab companies to do the correct testing. Just search the archives and you

will find a lot of helpful information!

-Dawn

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Hi Rich/...

I wrote about the fungal problems. Yes, longterm antibiotics can cause

fungal problems if you are susceptible. The best you can do is limit

your sugar and carb intake, do lots of yogurt and probiotics (good

flora), and perhaps take antifungals if necessary.

I have heard the same about diflucan--temporary boost--then

relapse--and don't know why.

If you have lyme in your system, you often become chemically and

electrically sensitive. It makes you more vulnerable. Then the other

assaults are harder to handle.

Herxheimer--is named after the guy who figured out that when you kill

off certain pathogens, they give off toxins that make you feel worse,

partly by stimulating your own immune system to a highly inflammatory

state. As time passes, that passes. But you don't want to overdo the

killing of the pathogens and overwhelm your body with too many dead

pathogens releasing toxins, which is why you slowly increase the dose,

or even pulse it if necessary. Lyme is slow growing. Stopping for a

few days won't matter that much if you are feeling particularly lousy

and need a break.

CNS is central nervous system. This organism moves into the central

nervous system within 48 hours, and it is protected there. You need

high levels of oral amoxicillin to penetrate in there and kill it.

Good luck!!!

> Also I saw a letter from Doyan about cell phones

that was very interesting. I don't have a cell phone but I believe

what he has to say is probably correct. When I got sick I lived close

to an Air America radio station outside of Dixon, Ca. The output of

this station was strong enoungh to set off electrical blasting caps

two miles away. I lived just over two miles away. I bring this up

because when I became sick I always wore a battery powered watch. Ok

this might sound crazy but when I took the watch off I felt better,

put it back on I felt worse. I believe emf does affect alot of people,

even at very low amounts.

> Last question for now. I said I had sudden onset cfids on

April 2, 1989 and I did but I had spells of cfids like sickness back

to 21 years old. Just months after returning from Viet Nam. I was

dizzy and had unexplained vision problems with 20/20 and 20/15 vision.

It took me almost two years to feel better. Than I had a spell for

maybe 5 months 10 years later. And my last spell that lasted about two

months maybe 6 years later. I believe these spells were caused by

chemicals. After my cfids onset I am terribly affected by chemicals.

MCS. I miss my weekly beer. My question is to the other people with

sudden onset cfids did you ever experience cfids like spells that went

away before you came down with cfids?

> I live in El Suazal De , Baja California, Mex.. Just

outside of Ensenada and about 65 miles south of the border and San

Diego. The doctors, in general, seem to be as good as the ones north

of the border. I get one hour visits and the cost is generally $35.00.

Lab test are inexpensive but I'm sure they can't do some of the tests

we need. According to what I read in an AARP magizine foriegners can

belong to Mexican Social Security medical insurance for about $350.00

a year. Social Security in Mexico is mainly medical help and not

retirement pay. There are 5 Mex.SS hospitals in Ensenada. There are

several other hospitals in Ensenada. I have used the military hospital

and found the service good and the hospital clean. I have Kaiser

insurance so I haven't tried to sign up for Mexican Social Security. I

can highly recomend the dentists in Ensenada. They're work is good and

if you shop around the cost is low compared to America. And yes they

have modern equipment. For me I

> find the air cleaner and less daily stress. Also I get my mail

delivered in Ensenada daily, for a cost. Someone told me they are

trying to choose between Mexico and Costa Rica. Since cfids I can't

handle much heat and I like being close to the U.S. so I choose

Mexico. My wife lived in Costa Rica and prefers Mexico for weather and

far less insects. Sorry this is so long winded. I guess I'm just

excited to find this group.

>

>

> Dawn Munn <dawnmunn@...> wrote:

> Yes, definately worth looking into!! I am currently being treated

at the

> FFC (fibro and fatigue center) for fibromyalgia and cfs. My first

apt was

> last Monday. When I told the doctor about a probable tick bite and

> resulting lyme infection that occured 10 years ago, she felt

confident it

> was responsible for my illness. She ordered several blood tests and

> believes that she will be able to treat me. So, definately look

into into

> it. I know that many others here have recently talked about some

reputable

> lab companies to do the correct testing. Just search the archives

and you

> will find a lot of helpful information!

> -Dawn

>

>

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Hi, Ellen.

I think it does. As I recall, the abx provocation is used for the

types of tests that look for pieces of the bacteria (antigens), such

as the one Igenex uses.

Rich

>

> Rich,

>

> I looked at Immunosciences' web site and it looks like their

Western blot

> test does not require antibiotic provocation. Does that make sense?

>

> Thanks,

> Ellen

>

>

> >

> > I agree that it would be a good idea to be tested for Lyme

disease.

> > Check out http://www.igenex.com or http://www.immuno-sci-com.

You

> > would probably need to do an antibiotic provoked test to have the

> > best chance of detecting the Borrelia, but if you contact these

> > labs, they can advise you.

> >

>

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I do not mean to offend anyone, but I wholeheartedly agree with Katrina.

There is a reason that antibiotics are only available through prescription.

When abused, they can be quite dangerous. In addition to the dangers that

Katrina listed, there is also the risk of creating superinfections (bacteria

that are resistent to the antibiotics we currently have available). Also,

without government regulation, you really can't be sure that you are getting

the correct antibiotic, that it is the dosage they say it is, that it has

been stored properly, that it is not expired, ect. All I am saying is to

please be careful.

>From: " kattemayo " <kattemayo@...>

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: new guy on the block

>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 10:36:23 -0000

>

>

>

>Please be careful with this diagnosing and advice. Some of us cannot

>tolerate mega-antibiotics, and I am allergic to Amoxicillin specifically

>(among others.) I am not talking about die-off and herxing, but allergy and

>other serious problems.

>

>Even " die-off " or " herxing " needs to be handled cautiously.

>

>There can be many chain reactions from things that we take, even those that

>are helping something.

>

>It is dangerous for some of us to throw ourselves onto drugs, even small

>doses, and Rich has stated that his worst times were from reactions to

>drugs.

>

>So, this may be a good idea, but the above are important, too.

>

>Katrina

>

>

>

> >

> > If this is genuinely the case, no need to test. Your sudden onset

> > CFIDS is and was lyme disease. The bullseye is diagnostic for lyme.

> > Antibiotics are very cheap in Mexico--I recall this from the border

> > towns. My advice would be to go get a couple bottles of amoxicillin

> > and start with 500 mg 3x day and build up slowly, as you can tolerate

> > the die-off, to 2000 mg 3x day or better yet 1500 mg 4x day (to keep

> > high levels constant) and stay on that for a few years if you can. I

> > can't do that because of severe fungal issues, but I know several

> > people who got completely well doing high dose amoxicillin. It is a

> > very nontoxic antibiotic and can be taken in extremely high doses,

> > and the higher doses that I am suggesting are for CNS penetration.

> >

> >

> > I have many cfids questions but I will

> > > only ask one. Approximately 5 months before my sudden onset with cfids

> > > I had a tick bite on my leg that I watched go from a red mark to a

> > > bulls eye that grew larger in diameter.

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

>This list is intended for patients to share personal experiences with each

>other, not to give medical advice. If you are interested in any treatment

>discussed here, please consult your doctor.

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mjh,

I will definately share information with you as I recieve it.

Unfortunately, I have only had one apt so far, so I don't have too much to

share. I went to the Cleveland FFC. The doctor there was confident that

all of my illnesses and probably many of my food allergies/ intolerences

were related to Lyme disease infection. She also believes that I have low

thyroid and an estrogen imbalance (too much). She ordered 44 blood tests

and I have an apt in the beging of April to get my lab results. I will

update you then.

Dawn

>From: foxhillers@...

>Reply-

>

>Subject: Re: new guy on the block

>Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 07:51:50 EST

>

>

>

>Dawn

>

>Which Fibro and Fatigue Center do you go to? Will you share the

>diagnoses,

>test results and treatment protocol with us here?

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Regarding food allergies, chemical sensitivites, and

hpersensitivities in general:

I had a myriad of them - even had the substances pegged so I could

avoid them. And I never associated any of them with Lyme. And as a

matter of fact- some of my other symptoms - like Trigeminal nerve

pain, metal sensitivites (on my skin) and GI problems I never

associated with Lyme either.......

BUT....... ALL of those symptoms went away post Lyme therapy.. and I

mean all of them. Quite frankly, I had had many of those problems

for so long, I couldn't quite beleive it myself when they were gone.

I am totally convinced - at least in my case- that when the root

cause is removed (Lyme) hypersensitivites are releived.

Barb

>

> mjh,

> I will definately share information with you as I recieve it.

> Unfortunately, I have only had one apt so far, so I don't have too

much to

> share. I went to the Cleveland FFC. The doctor there was

confident that

> all of my illnesses and probably many of my food allergies/

intolerences

> were related to Lyme disease infection. She also believes that I

have low

> thyroid and an estrogen imbalance (too much). She ordered 44 blood

tests

> and I have an apt in the beging of April to get my lab results. I

will

> update you then.

> Dawn

>

>

> >From: foxhillers@...

> >Reply-

> >

> >Subject: Re: new guy on the block

> >Date: Sun, 12 Mar 2006 07:51:50 EST

> >

> >

> >

> >Dawn

> >

> >Which Fibro and Fatigue Center do you go to? Will you share the

> >diagnoses,

> >test results and treatment protocol with us here?

>

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