Guest guest Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Harry, IMHO, you didn't fail , rather, the failure is on her. You did your part to give her very good information and you put your heart into trying to give her the best help possible, but it's up to her whether to follow that advice or go it her own way. Ditto for Wayne. I've beat my heat against the wall so many times trying to help people with even the simplest of concepts on diabetes to no avail but I know I did what I could, and that I didn't fail, it's just that my efforts fell on deaf ears. We can't do magic here, we can't just " make it happen " and " fix it " for those who ask and then don't follow what info we give them. No Harry, you didn't fail, and don't stop trying to help those in the future who just might listen. If it were not for this board, and if all I did was to follow my doctor's advice, I doubt I would have ever had consistently good Hemoglobin A1C's in the low 5's. We both know many doctors are way behind in diabetic education, it's not their primary concern, and they are for the most part treating diabetes in terms of treating an illness rather than being proactive and doing something to prevent or minimize diabetic effects. In their view, if they can stave off the worst of it and keep sugars " below 200 " they figure they're doing their job. Not! While I can sympathize with 's situation, it's up to her whether to follow outdated doctor advice or whether to follow the things suggested on this list for her. And she will have to decide what she can live with. For me, it was no-brainer: Follow the good advice here and be as healthy as I can be, or follow what the doctor says and just pop one pill after another and feel lousy most of the time from too high a sugar level, just to please the doctor. You know which way I decided to go. So if someone like wants our help, we're open 24/7 and are eager to help in any way we can, but sadly, we won't be able to help everyone who starts out asking for it, because too many will simply believe their doctor knows how to treat diabetes already. I'm not trying to be hard on or people in her position, but please understand each day we all make a decision on how we will treat our bodies, and we cannot avoid it no matter how uncomfortable we are with making those decisions. We can sweep it under the carpet but doing so will just prolong and aggravate the problem, it won't just go away. It's vitally important to do something proactive for yourself. Finally, one last thought concerning following conventional doctor's medical advice concerning diabetes. If most of the doctors in this country are so well versed in the area of diabetes, (and by that I mean its early detection and associated treatment), then how come diabetes is now the #1 epidemic in the United States? Do we follow the same tired old data that has contributed to this epidemic or do we think outside the box more along along the Bernstein line and start to get better? Food for thought. Bill Powers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Harry, IMHO, you didn't fail , rather, the failure is on her. You did your part to give her very good information and you put your heart into trying to give her the best help possible, but it's up to her whether to follow that advice or go it her own way. Ditto for Wayne. I've beat my heat against the wall so many times trying to help people with even the simplest of concepts on diabetes to no avail but I know I did what I could, and that I didn't fail, it's just that my efforts fell on deaf ears. We can't do magic here, we can't just " make it happen " and " fix it " for those who ask and then don't follow what info we give them. No Harry, you didn't fail, and don't stop trying to help those in the future who just might listen. If it were not for this board, and if all I did was to follow my doctor's advice, I doubt I would have ever had consistently good Hemoglobin A1C's in the low 5's. We both know many doctors are way behind in diabetic education, it's not their primary concern, and they are for the most part treating diabetes in terms of treating an illness rather than being proactive and doing something to prevent or minimize diabetic effects. In their view, if they can stave off the worst of it and keep sugars " below 200 " they figure they're doing their job. Not! While I can sympathize with 's situation, it's up to her whether to follow outdated doctor advice or whether to follow the things suggested on this list for her. And she will have to decide what she can live with. For me, it was no-brainer: Follow the good advice here and be as healthy as I can be, or follow what the doctor says and just pop one pill after another and feel lousy most of the time from too high a sugar level, just to please the doctor. You know which way I decided to go. So if someone like wants our help, we're open 24/7 and are eager to help in any way we can, but sadly, we won't be able to help everyone who starts out asking for it, because too many will simply believe their doctor knows how to treat diabetes already. I'm not trying to be hard on or people in her position, but please understand each day we all make a decision on how we will treat our bodies, and we cannot avoid it no matter how uncomfortable we are with making those decisions. We can sweep it under the carpet but doing so will just prolong and aggravate the problem, it won't just go away. It's vitally important to do something proactive for yourself. Finally, one last thought concerning following conventional doctor's medical advice concerning diabetes. If most of the doctors in this country are so well versed in the area of diabetes, (and by that I mean its early detection and associated treatment), then how come diabetes is now the #1 epidemic in the United States? Do we follow the same tired old data that has contributed to this epidemic or do we think outside the box more along along the Bernstein line and start to get better? Food for thought. Bill Powers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Harry I too have felt like I have failed. I took your emails to the doctor yesterday and with that I took the nurses report on my blood pressure readings which have been dangerously low. it took his own reading before lunch and it was fine so refuses to listen. there is one good thing and that is I fought to get lantus insulin and I have been able to accomplish that. but not get the applicator for it. he says that the company is useless he has others he he has fought for and the company does nothing. a doctor does not have the energy nor the time to chase down a supplier. yes, I have failed. but I have a friend helping me do a log book on a spreadsheet. but I get this help once a week for about one and half hours to two hours. that is it. she thinks she has it in a workable order to give me the final draft this Friday. I have found this trial period long and exhausting and I understand you have too. you are going away for June and perhaps this will be a good rest for both of us. blindness and diabetes have not been my only challenges. you do not live in my body nor can see the whole picture. a break is in order for both of us. have a great holiday, I failed >I freely admit that I have failed in her attempts to master blood >glucose level control. I have failed her in several respects. First of >all I have failed to gain her trust. In this same respect I have failed to >gain the trust of her husband. It has been evident for several weeks to >anyone who cares to make simple observations. When a person can make >simple experimental recommendations, which are in themselves perfectly safe >for another to perform, and yet these simple recommendations are never >carried out is a definite sign that I am not trusted. I failed to convince > that she is the primary person that all of her helpers, including her >doctor, nurse and husband, should listen to her wishes. They should >accommodate her and not her who accommodate them. I failed to show how to >do this. I failed to get to share with her doctors and nurse my >recommendations I have urged her to do. I failed to have her understand >that doing experiments in a fish bowl, where every one can see what is >happening is the safest way to conduct life experimentation. Keeping no >secrets amongst all those willing to help is the best way to make sure that >one will be safe, and I don't think knows this. While I know >can count, I still failed to have her count a specific number of grams of >carbs of her own choosing and have her stick to it for at least two days in >a row. I failed to convince her importance of this simple procedure. I >failed to get to believe that she alone is the most important >authority over her body. I am not her authority. Presently, it appears >that her doctor, nurse and husband are her authorities, not . I >failed to demonstrate to that I am truly a master of my blood glucose >control, and maybe the fact of over a year of A1C's being at or below 5.5 >does not impress her, even though most of my past year and a half A1C's >were 5.3 and lower. I have failed others here, too. Long before Wayne had >the first amputation several others and I tried to get him to listen to us, >but we all failed him, and I am sure we regret that he is no longer with >us. He steadfastly believed that only his doctor was right, and he >insisted on doing what his doctor recommended and no others. I failed to >have him chart his progress or lack of progress where what was happening >could clearly be seen by him and all others who cared to look. Apparently, >I have failed in the same way. By doing this charting the evidence >is clearly visible to all, and any experiments in mastery of blood glucose >control can be shown to the diabetic, the doctor, the nurse, the spouse, >and any others who care to see. Through this method the individual >diabetic learns who is the real authority over one's own body, and it >usually comes down to be the responsibility of a single individual, and you >know who that would be. It would be you. > > > > I not only admit that I have failed , but I also admit I am helpless > to make her follow my instructions. When is willing to trust me, I > am willing to try again and again. Until that time comes I do not see any > way I can be of service to her and any further recommendations on my part > are futile. I do recommend trust the people on this list serve, for > after all it is the folks on this list serve and not my doctors who taught > me mastery of blood glucose level control. So in the future I wish > you good luck and hopefully you will make good choices. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Harry I too have felt like I have failed. I took your emails to the doctor yesterday and with that I took the nurses report on my blood pressure readings which have been dangerously low. it took his own reading before lunch and it was fine so refuses to listen. there is one good thing and that is I fought to get lantus insulin and I have been able to accomplish that. but not get the applicator for it. he says that the company is useless he has others he he has fought for and the company does nothing. a doctor does not have the energy nor the time to chase down a supplier. yes, I have failed. but I have a friend helping me do a log book on a spreadsheet. but I get this help once a week for about one and half hours to two hours. that is it. she thinks she has it in a workable order to give me the final draft this Friday. I have found this trial period long and exhausting and I understand you have too. you are going away for June and perhaps this will be a good rest for both of us. blindness and diabetes have not been my only challenges. you do not live in my body nor can see the whole picture. a break is in order for both of us. have a great holiday, I failed >I freely admit that I have failed in her attempts to master blood >glucose level control. I have failed her in several respects. First of >all I have failed to gain her trust. In this same respect I have failed to >gain the trust of her husband. It has been evident for several weeks to >anyone who cares to make simple observations. When a person can make >simple experimental recommendations, which are in themselves perfectly safe >for another to perform, and yet these simple recommendations are never >carried out is a definite sign that I am not trusted. I failed to convince > that she is the primary person that all of her helpers, including her >doctor, nurse and husband, should listen to her wishes. They should >accommodate her and not her who accommodate them. I failed to show how to >do this. I failed to get to share with her doctors and nurse my >recommendations I have urged her to do. I failed to have her understand >that doing experiments in a fish bowl, where every one can see what is >happening is the safest way to conduct life experimentation. Keeping no >secrets amongst all those willing to help is the best way to make sure that >one will be safe, and I don't think knows this. While I know >can count, I still failed to have her count a specific number of grams of >carbs of her own choosing and have her stick to it for at least two days in >a row. I failed to convince her importance of this simple procedure. I >failed to get to believe that she alone is the most important >authority over her body. I am not her authority. Presently, it appears >that her doctor, nurse and husband are her authorities, not . I >failed to demonstrate to that I am truly a master of my blood glucose >control, and maybe the fact of over a year of A1C's being at or below 5.5 >does not impress her, even though most of my past year and a half A1C's >were 5.3 and lower. I have failed others here, too. Long before Wayne had >the first amputation several others and I tried to get him to listen to us, >but we all failed him, and I am sure we regret that he is no longer with >us. He steadfastly believed that only his doctor was right, and he >insisted on doing what his doctor recommended and no others. I failed to >have him chart his progress or lack of progress where what was happening >could clearly be seen by him and all others who cared to look. Apparently, >I have failed in the same way. By doing this charting the evidence >is clearly visible to all, and any experiments in mastery of blood glucose >control can be shown to the diabetic, the doctor, the nurse, the spouse, >and any others who care to see. Through this method the individual >diabetic learns who is the real authority over one's own body, and it >usually comes down to be the responsibility of a single individual, and you >know who that would be. It would be you. > > > > I not only admit that I have failed , but I also admit I am helpless > to make her follow my instructions. When is willing to trust me, I > am willing to try again and again. Until that time comes I do not see any > way I can be of service to her and any further recommendations on my part > are futile. I do recommend trust the people on this list serve, for > after all it is the folks on this list serve and not my doctors who taught > me mastery of blood glucose level control. So in the future I wish > you good luck and hopefully you will make good choices. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 Harry I too have felt like I have failed. I took your emails to the doctor yesterday and with that I took the nurses report on my blood pressure readings which have been dangerously low. it took his own reading before lunch and it was fine so refuses to listen. there is one good thing and that is I fought to get lantus insulin and I have been able to accomplish that. but not get the applicator for it. he says that the company is useless he has others he he has fought for and the company does nothing. a doctor does not have the energy nor the time to chase down a supplier. yes, I have failed. but I have a friend helping me do a log book on a spreadsheet. but I get this help once a week for about one and half hours to two hours. that is it. she thinks she has it in a workable order to give me the final draft this Friday. I have found this trial period long and exhausting and I understand you have too. you are going away for June and perhaps this will be a good rest for both of us. blindness and diabetes have not been my only challenges. you do not live in my body nor can see the whole picture. a break is in order for both of us. have a great holiday, I failed >I freely admit that I have failed in her attempts to master blood >glucose level control. I have failed her in several respects. First of >all I have failed to gain her trust. In this same respect I have failed to >gain the trust of her husband. It has been evident for several weeks to >anyone who cares to make simple observations. When a person can make >simple experimental recommendations, which are in themselves perfectly safe >for another to perform, and yet these simple recommendations are never >carried out is a definite sign that I am not trusted. I failed to convince > that she is the primary person that all of her helpers, including her >doctor, nurse and husband, should listen to her wishes. They should >accommodate her and not her who accommodate them. I failed to show how to >do this. I failed to get to share with her doctors and nurse my >recommendations I have urged her to do. I failed to have her understand >that doing experiments in a fish bowl, where every one can see what is >happening is the safest way to conduct life experimentation. Keeping no >secrets amongst all those willing to help is the best way to make sure that >one will be safe, and I don't think knows this. While I know >can count, I still failed to have her count a specific number of grams of >carbs of her own choosing and have her stick to it for at least two days in >a row. I failed to convince her importance of this simple procedure. I >failed to get to believe that she alone is the most important >authority over her body. I am not her authority. Presently, it appears >that her doctor, nurse and husband are her authorities, not . I >failed to demonstrate to that I am truly a master of my blood glucose >control, and maybe the fact of over a year of A1C's being at or below 5.5 >does not impress her, even though most of my past year and a half A1C's >were 5.3 and lower. I have failed others here, too. Long before Wayne had >the first amputation several others and I tried to get him to listen to us, >but we all failed him, and I am sure we regret that he is no longer with >us. He steadfastly believed that only his doctor was right, and he >insisted on doing what his doctor recommended and no others. I failed to >have him chart his progress or lack of progress where what was happening >could clearly be seen by him and all others who cared to look. Apparently, >I have failed in the same way. By doing this charting the evidence >is clearly visible to all, and any experiments in mastery of blood glucose >control can be shown to the diabetic, the doctor, the nurse, the spouse, >and any others who care to see. Through this method the individual >diabetic learns who is the real authority over one's own body, and it >usually comes down to be the responsibility of a single individual, and you >know who that would be. It would be you. > > > > I not only admit that I have failed , but I also admit I am helpless > to make her follow my instructions. When is willing to trust me, I > am willing to try again and again. Until that time comes I do not see any > way I can be of service to her and any further recommendations on my part > are futile. I do recommend trust the people on this list serve, for > after all it is the folks on this list serve and not my doctors who taught > me mastery of blood glucose level control. So in the future I wish > you good luck and hopefully you will make good choices. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 , No doctor is an absolute voice of authority of " voice of God. " If he or she refuses to listen to you, find another doctor who will. Practice the same thing you would with your favorite brand of any product; if it doesn't work for you, you find another one that does. Bill Powers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 , No doctor is an absolute voice of authority of " voice of God. " If he or she refuses to listen to you, find another doctor who will. Practice the same thing you would with your favorite brand of any product; if it doesn't work for you, you find another one that does. Bill Powers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 , No doctor is an absolute voice of authority of " voice of God. " If he or she refuses to listen to you, find another doctor who will. Practice the same thing you would with your favorite brand of any product; if it doesn't work for you, you find another one that does. Bill Powers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 bill, if i walk away from the doctor and i do have some faith that this will turn around, but not over night. i will only join the group that have no doctor. our area are in desperate need of doctors and no good news is coming soon. it is on the t v and radio all the time. this is a real problem area. i have learned more from this group than anywhere else since i have been blind. i know diabetes is on the rise and so is blindness. the president was on t v talking about it today. karen Re: I failed > , > > No doctor is an absolute voice of authority of " voice of God. " If he or > she > refuses to listen to you, find another doctor who will. Practice the same > thing you would with your favorite brand of any product; if it doesn't > work > for you, you find another one that does. > > Bill Powers > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2005 Report Share Posted May 31, 2005 , That is ashame that there is such a shortage of doctors in your area. Unfortunately, HMOs and PPOs are driving many out of the medical industry because it just doesn't pay them back for all their years of schooling, and those that do come out of the schools and get their degrees want the bigger cities where they can at least start to pay back their huge educational debt. You've gotta work with what you have but you have the power to take the upper hand and be the boss,because it is YOUR body. My mom is one of those timid people who follows what the doc says despite what I have tried to tell her, yet she remains sickly because the advice she gets is confusing and overwhelming and, because it's the wrong advice. So she remains trapped in that " doctor knows best but I'm not getting any better " routine. " So I guess I just have to suffer then " must be her mental mode. Unless she decides to get proactive and take some responsibility, she just isn't going to get any better, and I can't do it for her. I think she is hoping that the doctor will say or do some magic thing that will suddenly turn things around and make it all better without her having to do anything, but it just doesn't work that way. I have remained in better health because I have the good fortune of having a doctor who listens to me and knows I'm a well-educated patient, and he says he learns from me, which in turn will help others. So my doctor knows that I take charge of and take responsibility for my success of failure. And believe me, with all the great information I've gotten from this group that has proven to work, I'm merely running with that while the doctor makes sure I'm staying the course, and so I have stayed rather healthy. Not that he would, but I think my doctor knows that if he tried to lead me astray, I would find another physician attuned to my needs. I hope that in your area you will get more physicians so you can find an enlightened one who can help you better treat your diabetes and not resist your efforts. Take care , and good luck in your battle. We're all in this together, each of us in our own body, but we all share a common spirit and strive to be as healthy as possible. Bill Powers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 Harry, seems torn between all the differing views she is getting and apparently does not have enough belief in herself to do what she needs to do when listening to you. I seems seems pretty apparent to me that she needs to take 2 units of insulin for every 15 grams and for every point over her goal point of 6 she needs to take another unit to lower it. If one cannot trust oneself, then one does not trust anyone. It also doesn't help that her doctor is too overwhelmed with too many patients to pay much attention to her. It's too baad she can't move into an area where there are more anbetter doctors. I failed I freely admit that I have failed in her attempts to master blood glucose level control. I have failed her in several respects. First of all I have failed to gain her trust. In this same respect I have failed to gain the trust of her husband. It has been evident for several weeks to anyone who cares to make simple observations. When a person can make simple experimental recommendations, which are in themselves perfectly safe for another to perform, and yet these simple recommendations are never carried out is a definite sign that I am not trusted. I failed to convince that she is the primary person that all of her helpers, including her doctor, nurse and husband, should listen to her wishes. They should accommodate her and not her who accommodate them. I failed to show how to do this. I failed to get to share with her doctors and nurse my recommendations I have urged her to do. I failed to have her understand that doing experiments in a fish bowl, where every one can see what is happening is the safest way to conduct life experimentation. Keeping no secrets amongst all those willing to help is the best way to make sure that one will be safe, and I don't think knows this. While I know can count, I still failed to have her count a specific number of grams of carbs of her own choosing and have her stick to it for at least two days in a row. I failed to convince her importance of this simple procedure. I failed to get to believe that she alone is the most important authority over her body. I am not her authority. Presently, it appears that her doctor, nurse and husband are her authorities, not . I failed to demonstrate to that I am truly a master of my blood glucose control, and maybe the fact of over a year of A1C's being at or below 5.5 does not impress her, even though most of my past year and a half A1C's were 5.3 and lower. I have failed others here, too. Long before Wayne had the first amputation several others and I tried to get him to listen to us, but we all failed him, and I am sure we regret that he is no longer with us. He steadfastly believed that only his doctor was right, and he insisted on doing what his doctor recommended and no others. I failed to have him chart his progress or lack of progress where what was happening could clearly be seen by him and all others who cared to look. Apparently, I have failed in the same way. By doing this charting the evidence is clearly visible to all, and any experiments in mastery of blood glucose control can be shown to the diabetic, the doctor, the nurse, the spouse, and any others who care to see. Through this method the individual diabetic learns who is the real authority over one's own body, and it usually comes down to be the responsibility of a single individual, and you know who that would be. It would be you. I not only admit that I have failed , but I also admit I am helpless to make her follow my instructions. When is willing to trust me, I am willing to try again and again. Until that time comes I do not see any way I can be of service to her and any further recommendations on my part are futile. I do recommend trust the people on this list serve, for after all it is the folks on this list serve and not my doctors who taught me mastery of blood glucose level control. So in the future I wish you good luck and hopefully you will make good choices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2005 Report Share Posted June 1, 2005 I don't agree with all you say, but I definitely believe can do it if she wishes. She has proven to me time after time that she is able to count grams of carbs and she also is responsible for dosing her very own Humalog insulin. I agree she needs to take at least two units of insulin for every 15 grams of carbs consumed, maybe even 3, but only time will tell. Since she has a U factor around 2.0 mole points I believe she should dose 1 estra unit of Humalog for every 2 points she is above 6.0 moles. I also believe she should at least reduce her Lantus from 8 units to 7 units at night, but she will not listen to me, and her husband will not listen to me either. Since Lantus reduces her bs around 2.6 mole points during the night, I would recommend she always push her bs at bedtime to between 7.0 moles and 8.0 moles to avoid those devilish rebound effects caused by too much Lantus at night. Reducing the Lantus from 8 to 7 might require fewer units of Lantus at bedtime, but who knows. Only charting will tell the story. In this day and time there is no sense in being a brittle diabetic, if one only manages their own blood sugar control. Unfortunately will not listen to me and do as I recommend for even two days consecutively, so I am totally helpless in being able in my efforts to help her. I failed > > I freely admit that I have failed in her attempts to master blood > glucose level control. I have failed her in several respects. First of > all > > I have failed to gain her trust. In this same respect I have failed to > gain > > the trust of her husband. It has been evident for several weeks to anyone > who cares to make simple observations. When a person can make simple > experimental recommendations, which are in themselves perfectly safe for > another to perform, and yet these simple recommendations are never carried > out is a definite sign that I am not trusted. I failed to convince > that she is the primary person that all of her helpers, including her > doctor, nurse and husband, should listen to her wishes. They should > accommodate her and not her who accommodate them. I failed to show how to > do this. I failed to get to share with her doctors and nurse my > recommendations I have urged her to do. I failed to have her understand > that doing experiments in a fish bowl, where every one can see what is > happening is the safest way to conduct life experimentation. Keeping no > secrets amongst all those willing to help is the best way to make sure > that > one will be safe, and I don't think knows this. While I know > can count, I still failed to have her count a specific number of grams of > carbs of her own choosing and have her stick to it for at least two days > in > a row. I failed to convince her importance of this simple procedure. I > failed to get to believe that she alone is the most important > authority over her body. I am not her authority. Presently, it appears > that her doctor, nurse and husband are her authorities, not . I > failed > > to demonstrate to that I am truly a master of my blood glucose > control, and maybe the fact of over a year of A1C's being at or below 5.5 > does not impress her, even though most of my past year and a half A1C's > were > > 5.3 and lower. I have failed others here, too. Long before Wayne had the > first amputation several others and I tried to get him to listen to us, > but > we all failed him, and I am sure we regret that he is no longer with us. > He > > steadfastly believed that only his doctor was right, and he insisted on > doing what his doctor recommended and no others. I failed to have him > chart > > his progress or lack of progress where what was happening could clearly be > seen by him and all others who cared to look. Apparently, I have failed > in the same way. By doing this charting the evidence is clearly > visible to all, and any experiments in mastery of blood glucose control > can > be shown to the diabetic, the doctor, the nurse, the spouse, and any > others > who care to see. Through this method the individual diabetic learns who > is > the real authority over one's own body, and it usually comes down to be > the > responsibility of a single individual, and you know who that would be. It > would be you. > > > > I not only admit that I have failed , but I also admit I am helpless > to > > make her follow my instructions. When is willing to trust me, I am > willing to try again and again. Until that time comes I do not see any > way > I can be of service to her and any further recommendations on my part are > futile. I do recommend trust the people on this list serve, for > after > > all it is the folks on this list serve and not my doctors who taught me > mastery of blood glucose level control. So in the future I wish you > good luck and hopefully you will make good choices. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 That is the way it is, Harry. People either listen or don't--and no one has any control over that. We have all seen the poor control people do despite learning otherwise. Re: I failed I don't agree with all you say, but I definitely believe can do it if she wishes. She has proven to me time after time that she is able to count grams of carbs and she also is responsible for dosing her very own Humalog insulin. I agree she needs to take at least two units of insulin for every 15 grams of carbs consumed, maybe even 3, but only time will tell. Since she has a U factor around 2.0 mole points I believe she should dose 1 estra unit of Humalog for every 2 points she is above 6.0 moles. I also believe she should at least reduce her Lantus from 8 units to 7 units at night, but she will not listen to me, and her husband will not listen to me either. Since Lantus reduces her bs around 2.6 mole points during the night, I would recommend she always push her bs at bedtime to between 7.0 moles and 8.0 moles to avoid those devilish rebound effects caused by too much Lantus at night. Reducing the Lantus from 8 to 7 might require fewer units of Lantus at bedtime, but who knows. Only charting will tell the story. In this day and time there is no sense in being a brittle diabetic, if one only manages their own blood sugar control. Unfortunately will not listen to me and do as I recommend for even two days consecutively, so I am totally helpless in being able in my efforts to help her. I failed > > I freely admit that I have failed in her attempts to master blood > glucose level control. I have failed her in several respects. First of > all > > I have failed to gain her trust. In this same respect I have failed to > gain > > the trust of her husband. It has been evident for several weeks to anyone > who cares to make simple observations. When a person can make simple > experimental recommendations, which are in themselves perfectly safe for > another to perform, and yet these simple recommendations are never carried > out is a definite sign that I am not trusted. I failed to convince > that she is the primary person that all of her helpers, including her > doctor, nurse and husband, should listen to her wishes. They should > accommodate her and not her who accommodate them. I failed to show how to > do this. I failed to get to share with her doctors and nurse my > recommendations I have urged her to do. I failed to have her understand > that doing experiments in a fish bowl, where every one can see what is > happening is the safest way to conduct life experimentation. Keeping no > secrets amongst all those willing to help is the best way to make sure > that > one will be safe, and I don't think knows this. While I know > can count, I still failed to have her count a specific number of grams of > carbs of her own choosing and have her stick to it for at least two days > in > a row. I failed to convince her importance of this simple procedure. I > failed to get to believe that she alone is the most important > authority over her body. I am not her authority. Presently, it appears > that her doctor, nurse and husband are her authorities, not . I > failed > > to demonstrate to that I am truly a master of my blood glucose > control, and maybe the fact of over a year of A1C's being at or below 5.5 > does not impress her, even though most of my past year and a half A1C's > were > > 5.3 and lower. I have failed others here, too. Long before Wayne had the > first amputation several others and I tried to get him to listen to us, > but > we all failed him, and I am sure we regret that he is no longer with us. > He > > steadfastly believed that only his doctor was right, and he insisted on > doing what his doctor recommended and no others. I failed to have him > chart > > his progress or lack of progress where what was happening could clearly be > seen by him and all others who cared to look. Apparently, I have failed > in the same way. By doing this charting the evidence is clearly > visible to all, and any experiments in mastery of blood glucose control > can > be shown to the diabetic, the doctor, the nurse, the spouse, and any > others > who care to see. Through this method the individual diabetic learns who > is > the real authority over one's own body, and it usually comes down to be > the > responsibility of a single individual, and you know who that would be. It > would be you. > > > > I not only admit that I have failed , but I also admit I am helpless > to > > make her follow my instructions. When is willing to trust me, I am > willing to try again and again. Until that time comes I do not see any > way > I can be of service to her and any further recommendations on my part are > futile. I do recommend trust the people on this list serve, for > after > > all it is the folks on this list serve and not my doctors who taught me > mastery of blood glucose level control. So in the future I wish you > good luck and hopefully you will make good choices. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 That is the way it is, Harry. People either listen or don't--and no one has any control over that. We have all seen the poor control people do despite learning otherwise. Re: I failed I don't agree with all you say, but I definitely believe can do it if she wishes. She has proven to me time after time that she is able to count grams of carbs and she also is responsible for dosing her very own Humalog insulin. I agree she needs to take at least two units of insulin for every 15 grams of carbs consumed, maybe even 3, but only time will tell. Since she has a U factor around 2.0 mole points I believe she should dose 1 estra unit of Humalog for every 2 points she is above 6.0 moles. I also believe she should at least reduce her Lantus from 8 units to 7 units at night, but she will not listen to me, and her husband will not listen to me either. Since Lantus reduces her bs around 2.6 mole points during the night, I would recommend she always push her bs at bedtime to between 7.0 moles and 8.0 moles to avoid those devilish rebound effects caused by too much Lantus at night. Reducing the Lantus from 8 to 7 might require fewer units of Lantus at bedtime, but who knows. Only charting will tell the story. In this day and time there is no sense in being a brittle diabetic, if one only manages their own blood sugar control. Unfortunately will not listen to me and do as I recommend for even two days consecutively, so I am totally helpless in being able in my efforts to help her. I failed > > I freely admit that I have failed in her attempts to master blood > glucose level control. I have failed her in several respects. First of > all > > I have failed to gain her trust. In this same respect I have failed to > gain > > the trust of her husband. It has been evident for several weeks to anyone > who cares to make simple observations. When a person can make simple > experimental recommendations, which are in themselves perfectly safe for > another to perform, and yet these simple recommendations are never carried > out is a definite sign that I am not trusted. I failed to convince > that she is the primary person that all of her helpers, including her > doctor, nurse and husband, should listen to her wishes. They should > accommodate her and not her who accommodate them. I failed to show how to > do this. I failed to get to share with her doctors and nurse my > recommendations I have urged her to do. I failed to have her understand > that doing experiments in a fish bowl, where every one can see what is > happening is the safest way to conduct life experimentation. Keeping no > secrets amongst all those willing to help is the best way to make sure > that > one will be safe, and I don't think knows this. While I know > can count, I still failed to have her count a specific number of grams of > carbs of her own choosing and have her stick to it for at least two days > in > a row. I failed to convince her importance of this simple procedure. I > failed to get to believe that she alone is the most important > authority over her body. I am not her authority. Presently, it appears > that her doctor, nurse and husband are her authorities, not . I > failed > > to demonstrate to that I am truly a master of my blood glucose > control, and maybe the fact of over a year of A1C's being at or below 5.5 > does not impress her, even though most of my past year and a half A1C's > were > > 5.3 and lower. I have failed others here, too. Long before Wayne had the > first amputation several others and I tried to get him to listen to us, > but > we all failed him, and I am sure we regret that he is no longer with us. > He > > steadfastly believed that only his doctor was right, and he insisted on > doing what his doctor recommended and no others. I failed to have him > chart > > his progress or lack of progress where what was happening could clearly be > seen by him and all others who cared to look. Apparently, I have failed > in the same way. By doing this charting the evidence is clearly > visible to all, and any experiments in mastery of blood glucose control > can > be shown to the diabetic, the doctor, the nurse, the spouse, and any > others > who care to see. Through this method the individual diabetic learns who > is > the real authority over one's own body, and it usually comes down to be > the > responsibility of a single individual, and you know who that would be. It > would be you. > > > > I not only admit that I have failed , but I also admit I am helpless > to > > make her follow my instructions. When is willing to trust me, I am > willing to try again and again. Until that time comes I do not see any > way > I can be of service to her and any further recommendations on my part are > futile. I do recommend trust the people on this list serve, for > after > > all it is the folks on this list serve and not my doctors who taught me > mastery of blood glucose level control. So in the future I wish you > good luck and hopefully you will make good choices. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 That is the way it is, Harry. People either listen or don't--and no one has any control over that. We have all seen the poor control people do despite learning otherwise. Re: I failed I don't agree with all you say, but I definitely believe can do it if she wishes. She has proven to me time after time that she is able to count grams of carbs and she also is responsible for dosing her very own Humalog insulin. I agree she needs to take at least two units of insulin for every 15 grams of carbs consumed, maybe even 3, but only time will tell. Since she has a U factor around 2.0 mole points I believe she should dose 1 estra unit of Humalog for every 2 points she is above 6.0 moles. I also believe she should at least reduce her Lantus from 8 units to 7 units at night, but she will not listen to me, and her husband will not listen to me either. Since Lantus reduces her bs around 2.6 mole points during the night, I would recommend she always push her bs at bedtime to between 7.0 moles and 8.0 moles to avoid those devilish rebound effects caused by too much Lantus at night. Reducing the Lantus from 8 to 7 might require fewer units of Lantus at bedtime, but who knows. Only charting will tell the story. In this day and time there is no sense in being a brittle diabetic, if one only manages their own blood sugar control. Unfortunately will not listen to me and do as I recommend for even two days consecutively, so I am totally helpless in being able in my efforts to help her. I failed > > I freely admit that I have failed in her attempts to master blood > glucose level control. I have failed her in several respects. First of > all > > I have failed to gain her trust. In this same respect I have failed to > gain > > the trust of her husband. It has been evident for several weeks to anyone > who cares to make simple observations. When a person can make simple > experimental recommendations, which are in themselves perfectly safe for > another to perform, and yet these simple recommendations are never carried > out is a definite sign that I am not trusted. I failed to convince > that she is the primary person that all of her helpers, including her > doctor, nurse and husband, should listen to her wishes. They should > accommodate her and not her who accommodate them. I failed to show how to > do this. I failed to get to share with her doctors and nurse my > recommendations I have urged her to do. I failed to have her understand > that doing experiments in a fish bowl, where every one can see what is > happening is the safest way to conduct life experimentation. Keeping no > secrets amongst all those willing to help is the best way to make sure > that > one will be safe, and I don't think knows this. While I know > can count, I still failed to have her count a specific number of grams of > carbs of her own choosing and have her stick to it for at least two days > in > a row. I failed to convince her importance of this simple procedure. I > failed to get to believe that she alone is the most important > authority over her body. I am not her authority. Presently, it appears > that her doctor, nurse and husband are her authorities, not . I > failed > > to demonstrate to that I am truly a master of my blood glucose > control, and maybe the fact of over a year of A1C's being at or below 5.5 > does not impress her, even though most of my past year and a half A1C's > were > > 5.3 and lower. I have failed others here, too. Long before Wayne had the > first amputation several others and I tried to get him to listen to us, > but > we all failed him, and I am sure we regret that he is no longer with us. > He > > steadfastly believed that only his doctor was right, and he insisted on > doing what his doctor recommended and no others. I failed to have him > chart > > his progress or lack of progress where what was happening could clearly be > seen by him and all others who cared to look. Apparently, I have failed > in the same way. By doing this charting the evidence is clearly > visible to all, and any experiments in mastery of blood glucose control > can > be shown to the diabetic, the doctor, the nurse, the spouse, and any > others > who care to see. Through this method the individual diabetic learns who > is > the real authority over one's own body, and it usually comes down to be > the > responsibility of a single individual, and you know who that would be. It > would be you. > > > > I not only admit that I have failed , but I also admit I am helpless > to > > make her follow my instructions. When is willing to trust me, I am > willing to try again and again. Until that time comes I do not see any > way > I can be of service to her and any further recommendations on my part are > futile. I do recommend trust the people on this list serve, for > after > > all it is the folks on this list serve and not my doctors who taught me > mastery of blood glucose level control. So in the future I wish you > good luck and hopefully you will make good choices. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Yes, I understand about those poor control people. It is still tragic to watch their decline due to diabetic complications due to obstinacy. I failed >> >> I freely admit that I have failed in her attempts to master blood >> glucose level control. I have failed her in several respects. First of >> all >> >> I have failed to gain her trust. In this same respect I have failed to >> gain >> >> the trust of her husband. It has been evident for several weeks to >> anyone >> who cares to make simple observations. When a person can make simple >> experimental recommendations, which are in themselves perfectly safe for >> another to perform, and yet these simple recommendations are never >> carried >> out is a definite sign that I am not trusted. I failed to convince >> that she is the primary person that all of her helpers, including her >> doctor, nurse and husband, should listen to her wishes. They should >> accommodate her and not her who accommodate them. I failed to show how >> to >> do this. I failed to get to share with her doctors and nurse my >> recommendations I have urged her to do. I failed to have her understand >> that doing experiments in a fish bowl, where every one can see what is >> happening is the safest way to conduct life experimentation. Keeping no >> secrets amongst all those willing to help is the best way to make sure >> that >> one will be safe, and I don't think knows this. While I know >> can count, I still failed to have her count a specific number of grams of >> carbs of her own choosing and have her stick to it for at least two days >> in >> a row. I failed to convince her importance of this simple procedure. I >> failed to get to believe that she alone is the most important >> authority over her body. I am not her authority. Presently, it appears >> that her doctor, nurse and husband are her authorities, not . I >> failed >> >> to demonstrate to that I am truly a master of my blood glucose >> control, and maybe the fact of over a year of A1C's being at or below 5.5 >> does not impress her, even though most of my past year and a half A1C's >> were >> >> 5.3 and lower. I have failed others here, too. Long before Wayne had >> the >> first amputation several others and I tried to get him to listen to us, >> but >> we all failed him, and I am sure we regret that he is no longer with us. >> He >> >> steadfastly believed that only his doctor was right, and he insisted on >> doing what his doctor recommended and no others. I failed to have him >> chart >> >> his progress or lack of progress where what was happening could clearly >> be >> seen by him and all others who cared to look. Apparently, I have failed >> in the same way. By doing this charting the evidence is clearly >> visible to all, and any experiments in mastery of blood glucose control >> can >> be shown to the diabetic, the doctor, the nurse, the spouse, and any >> others >> who care to see. Through this method the individual diabetic learns who >> is >> the real authority over one's own body, and it usually comes down to be >> the >> responsibility of a single individual, and you know who that would be. >> It >> would be you. >> >> >> >> I not only admit that I have failed , but I also admit I am helpless >> to >> >> make her follow my instructions. When is willing to trust me, I am >> willing to try again and again. Until that time comes I do not see any >> way >> I can be of service to her and any further recommendations on my part are >> futile. I do recommend trust the people on this list serve, for >> after >> >> all it is the folks on this list serve and not my doctors who taught me >> mastery of blood glucose level control. So in the future I wish >> you >> good luck and hopefully you will make good choices. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Yes, I understand about those poor control people. It is still tragic to watch their decline due to diabetic complications due to obstinacy. I failed >> >> I freely admit that I have failed in her attempts to master blood >> glucose level control. I have failed her in several respects. First of >> all >> >> I have failed to gain her trust. In this same respect I have failed to >> gain >> >> the trust of her husband. It has been evident for several weeks to >> anyone >> who cares to make simple observations. When a person can make simple >> experimental recommendations, which are in themselves perfectly safe for >> another to perform, and yet these simple recommendations are never >> carried >> out is a definite sign that I am not trusted. I failed to convince >> that she is the primary person that all of her helpers, including her >> doctor, nurse and husband, should listen to her wishes. They should >> accommodate her and not her who accommodate them. I failed to show how >> to >> do this. I failed to get to share with her doctors and nurse my >> recommendations I have urged her to do. I failed to have her understand >> that doing experiments in a fish bowl, where every one can see what is >> happening is the safest way to conduct life experimentation. Keeping no >> secrets amongst all those willing to help is the best way to make sure >> that >> one will be safe, and I don't think knows this. While I know >> can count, I still failed to have her count a specific number of grams of >> carbs of her own choosing and have her stick to it for at least two days >> in >> a row. I failed to convince her importance of this simple procedure. I >> failed to get to believe that she alone is the most important >> authority over her body. I am not her authority. Presently, it appears >> that her doctor, nurse and husband are her authorities, not . I >> failed >> >> to demonstrate to that I am truly a master of my blood glucose >> control, and maybe the fact of over a year of A1C's being at or below 5.5 >> does not impress her, even though most of my past year and a half A1C's >> were >> >> 5.3 and lower. I have failed others here, too. Long before Wayne had >> the >> first amputation several others and I tried to get him to listen to us, >> but >> we all failed him, and I am sure we regret that he is no longer with us. >> He >> >> steadfastly believed that only his doctor was right, and he insisted on >> doing what his doctor recommended and no others. I failed to have him >> chart >> >> his progress or lack of progress where what was happening could clearly >> be >> seen by him and all others who cared to look. Apparently, I have failed >> in the same way. By doing this charting the evidence is clearly >> visible to all, and any experiments in mastery of blood glucose control >> can >> be shown to the diabetic, the doctor, the nurse, the spouse, and any >> others >> who care to see. Through this method the individual diabetic learns who >> is >> the real authority over one's own body, and it usually comes down to be >> the >> responsibility of a single individual, and you know who that would be. >> It >> would be you. >> >> >> >> I not only admit that I have failed , but I also admit I am helpless >> to >> >> make her follow my instructions. When is willing to trust me, I am >> willing to try again and again. Until that time comes I do not see any >> way >> I can be of service to her and any further recommendations on my part are >> futile. I do recommend trust the people on this list serve, for >> after >> >> all it is the folks on this list serve and not my doctors who taught me >> mastery of blood glucose level control. So in the future I wish >> you >> good luck and hopefully you will make good choices. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Yes, I understand about those poor control people. It is still tragic to watch their decline due to diabetic complications due to obstinacy. I failed >> >> I freely admit that I have failed in her attempts to master blood >> glucose level control. I have failed her in several respects. First of >> all >> >> I have failed to gain her trust. In this same respect I have failed to >> gain >> >> the trust of her husband. It has been evident for several weeks to >> anyone >> who cares to make simple observations. When a person can make simple >> experimental recommendations, which are in themselves perfectly safe for >> another to perform, and yet these simple recommendations are never >> carried >> out is a definite sign that I am not trusted. I failed to convince >> that she is the primary person that all of her helpers, including her >> doctor, nurse and husband, should listen to her wishes. They should >> accommodate her and not her who accommodate them. I failed to show how >> to >> do this. I failed to get to share with her doctors and nurse my >> recommendations I have urged her to do. I failed to have her understand >> that doing experiments in a fish bowl, where every one can see what is >> happening is the safest way to conduct life experimentation. Keeping no >> secrets amongst all those willing to help is the best way to make sure >> that >> one will be safe, and I don't think knows this. While I know >> can count, I still failed to have her count a specific number of grams of >> carbs of her own choosing and have her stick to it for at least two days >> in >> a row. I failed to convince her importance of this simple procedure. I >> failed to get to believe that she alone is the most important >> authority over her body. I am not her authority. Presently, it appears >> that her doctor, nurse and husband are her authorities, not . I >> failed >> >> to demonstrate to that I am truly a master of my blood glucose >> control, and maybe the fact of over a year of A1C's being at or below 5.5 >> does not impress her, even though most of my past year and a half A1C's >> were >> >> 5.3 and lower. I have failed others here, too. Long before Wayne had >> the >> first amputation several others and I tried to get him to listen to us, >> but >> we all failed him, and I am sure we regret that he is no longer with us. >> He >> >> steadfastly believed that only his doctor was right, and he insisted on >> doing what his doctor recommended and no others. I failed to have him >> chart >> >> his progress or lack of progress where what was happening could clearly >> be >> seen by him and all others who cared to look. Apparently, I have failed >> in the same way. By doing this charting the evidence is clearly >> visible to all, and any experiments in mastery of blood glucose control >> can >> be shown to the diabetic, the doctor, the nurse, the spouse, and any >> others >> who care to see. Through this method the individual diabetic learns who >> is >> the real authority over one's own body, and it usually comes down to be >> the >> responsibility of a single individual, and you know who that would be. >> It >> would be you. >> >> >> >> I not only admit that I have failed , but I also admit I am helpless >> to >> >> make her follow my instructions. When is willing to trust me, I am >> willing to try again and again. Until that time comes I do not see any >> way >> I can be of service to her and any further recommendations on my part are >> futile. I do recommend trust the people on this list serve, for >> after >> >> all it is the folks on this list serve and not my doctors who taught me >> mastery of blood glucose level control. So in the future I wish >> you >> good luck and hopefully you will make good choices. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Yes, it is. I see it much too much. Re: I failed Yes, I understand about those poor control people. It is still tragic to watch their decline due to diabetic complications due to obstinacy. I failed >> >> I freely admit that I have failed in her attempts to master blood >> glucose level control. I have failed her in several respects. First of >> all >> >> I have failed to gain her trust. In this same respect I have failed to >> gain >> >> the trust of her husband. It has been evident for several weeks to >> anyone >> who cares to make simple observations. When a person can make simple >> experimental recommendations, which are in themselves perfectly safe for >> another to perform, and yet these simple recommendations are never >> carried >> out is a definite sign that I am not trusted. I failed to convince >> that she is the primary person that all of her helpers, including her >> doctor, nurse and husband, should listen to her wishes. They should >> accommodate her and not her who accommodate them. I failed to show how >> to >> do this. I failed to get to share with her doctors and nurse my >> recommendations I have urged her to do. I failed to have her understand >> that doing experiments in a fish bowl, where every one can see what is >> happening is the safest way to conduct life experimentation. Keeping no >> secrets amongst all those willing to help is the best way to make sure >> that >> one will be safe, and I don't think knows this. While I know >> can count, I still failed to have her count a specific number of grams of >> carbs of her own choosing and have her stick to it for at least two days >> in >> a row. I failed to convince her importance of this simple procedure. I >> failed to get to believe that she alone is the most important >> authority over her body. I am not her authority. Presently, it appears >> that her doctor, nurse and husband are her authorities, not . I >> failed >> >> to demonstrate to that I am truly a master of my blood glucose >> control, and maybe the fact of over a year of A1C's being at or below 5.5 >> does not impress her, even though most of my past year and a half A1C's >> were >> >> 5.3 and lower. I have failed others here, too. Long before Wayne had >> the >> first amputation several others and I tried to get him to listen to us, >> but >> we all failed him, and I am sure we regret that he is no longer with us. >> He >> >> steadfastly believed that only his doctor was right, and he insisted on >> doing what his doctor recommended and no others. I failed to have him >> chart >> >> his progress or lack of progress where what was happening could clearly >> be >> seen by him and all others who cared to look. Apparently, I have failed >> in the same way. By doing this charting the evidence is clearly >> visible to all, and any experiments in mastery of blood glucose control >> can >> be shown to the diabetic, the doctor, the nurse, the spouse, and any >> others >> who care to see. Through this method the individual diabetic learns who >> is >> the real authority over one's own body, and it usually comes down to be >> the >> responsibility of a single individual, and you know who that would be. >> It >> would be you. >> >> >> >> I not only admit that I have failed , but I also admit I am helpless >> to >> >> make her follow my instructions. When is willing to trust me, I am >> willing to try again and again. Until that time comes I do not see any >> way >> I can be of service to her and any further recommendations on my part are >> futile. I do recommend trust the people on this list serve, for >> after >> >> all it is the folks on this list serve and not my doctors who taught me >> mastery of blood glucose level control. So in the future I wish >> you >> good luck and hopefully you will make good choices. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Yes, it is. I see it much too much. Re: I failed Yes, I understand about those poor control people. It is still tragic to watch their decline due to diabetic complications due to obstinacy. I failed >> >> I freely admit that I have failed in her attempts to master blood >> glucose level control. I have failed her in several respects. First of >> all >> >> I have failed to gain her trust. In this same respect I have failed to >> gain >> >> the trust of her husband. It has been evident for several weeks to >> anyone >> who cares to make simple observations. When a person can make simple >> experimental recommendations, which are in themselves perfectly safe for >> another to perform, and yet these simple recommendations are never >> carried >> out is a definite sign that I am not trusted. I failed to convince >> that she is the primary person that all of her helpers, including her >> doctor, nurse and husband, should listen to her wishes. They should >> accommodate her and not her who accommodate them. I failed to show how >> to >> do this. I failed to get to share with her doctors and nurse my >> recommendations I have urged her to do. I failed to have her understand >> that doing experiments in a fish bowl, where every one can see what is >> happening is the safest way to conduct life experimentation. Keeping no >> secrets amongst all those willing to help is the best way to make sure >> that >> one will be safe, and I don't think knows this. While I know >> can count, I still failed to have her count a specific number of grams of >> carbs of her own choosing and have her stick to it for at least two days >> in >> a row. I failed to convince her importance of this simple procedure. I >> failed to get to believe that she alone is the most important >> authority over her body. I am not her authority. Presently, it appears >> that her doctor, nurse and husband are her authorities, not . I >> failed >> >> to demonstrate to that I am truly a master of my blood glucose >> control, and maybe the fact of over a year of A1C's being at or below 5.5 >> does not impress her, even though most of my past year and a half A1C's >> were >> >> 5.3 and lower. I have failed others here, too. Long before Wayne had >> the >> first amputation several others and I tried to get him to listen to us, >> but >> we all failed him, and I am sure we regret that he is no longer with us. >> He >> >> steadfastly believed that only his doctor was right, and he insisted on >> doing what his doctor recommended and no others. I failed to have him >> chart >> >> his progress or lack of progress where what was happening could clearly >> be >> seen by him and all others who cared to look. Apparently, I have failed >> in the same way. By doing this charting the evidence is clearly >> visible to all, and any experiments in mastery of blood glucose control >> can >> be shown to the diabetic, the doctor, the nurse, the spouse, and any >> others >> who care to see. Through this method the individual diabetic learns who >> is >> the real authority over one's own body, and it usually comes down to be >> the >> responsibility of a single individual, and you know who that would be. >> It >> would be you. >> >> >> >> I not only admit that I have failed , but I also admit I am helpless >> to >> >> make her follow my instructions. When is willing to trust me, I am >> willing to try again and again. Until that time comes I do not see any >> way >> I can be of service to her and any further recommendations on my part are >> futile. I do recommend trust the people on this list serve, for >> after >> >> all it is the folks on this list serve and not my doctors who taught me >> mastery of blood glucose level control. So in the future I wish >> you >> good luck and hopefully you will make good choices. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Yes, it is. I see it much too much. Re: I failed Yes, I understand about those poor control people. It is still tragic to watch their decline due to diabetic complications due to obstinacy. I failed >> >> I freely admit that I have failed in her attempts to master blood >> glucose level control. I have failed her in several respects. First of >> all >> >> I have failed to gain her trust. In this same respect I have failed to >> gain >> >> the trust of her husband. It has been evident for several weeks to >> anyone >> who cares to make simple observations. When a person can make simple >> experimental recommendations, which are in themselves perfectly safe for >> another to perform, and yet these simple recommendations are never >> carried >> out is a definite sign that I am not trusted. I failed to convince >> that she is the primary person that all of her helpers, including her >> doctor, nurse and husband, should listen to her wishes. They should >> accommodate her and not her who accommodate them. I failed to show how >> to >> do this. I failed to get to share with her doctors and nurse my >> recommendations I have urged her to do. I failed to have her understand >> that doing experiments in a fish bowl, where every one can see what is >> happening is the safest way to conduct life experimentation. Keeping no >> secrets amongst all those willing to help is the best way to make sure >> that >> one will be safe, and I don't think knows this. While I know >> can count, I still failed to have her count a specific number of grams of >> carbs of her own choosing and have her stick to it for at least two days >> in >> a row. I failed to convince her importance of this simple procedure. I >> failed to get to believe that she alone is the most important >> authority over her body. I am not her authority. Presently, it appears >> that her doctor, nurse and husband are her authorities, not . I >> failed >> >> to demonstrate to that I am truly a master of my blood glucose >> control, and maybe the fact of over a year of A1C's being at or below 5.5 >> does not impress her, even though most of my past year and a half A1C's >> were >> >> 5.3 and lower. I have failed others here, too. Long before Wayne had >> the >> first amputation several others and I tried to get him to listen to us, >> but >> we all failed him, and I am sure we regret that he is no longer with us. >> He >> >> steadfastly believed that only his doctor was right, and he insisted on >> doing what his doctor recommended and no others. I failed to have him >> chart >> >> his progress or lack of progress where what was happening could clearly >> be >> seen by him and all others who cared to look. Apparently, I have failed >> in the same way. By doing this charting the evidence is clearly >> visible to all, and any experiments in mastery of blood glucose control >> can >> be shown to the diabetic, the doctor, the nurse, the spouse, and any >> others >> who care to see. Through this method the individual diabetic learns who >> is >> the real authority over one's own body, and it usually comes down to be >> the >> responsibility of a single individual, and you know who that would be. >> It >> would be you. >> >> >> >> I not only admit that I have failed , but I also admit I am helpless >> to >> >> make her follow my instructions. When is willing to trust me, I am >> willing to try again and again. Until that time comes I do not see any >> way >> I can be of service to her and any further recommendations on my part are >> futile. I do recommend trust the people on this list serve, for >> after >> >> all it is the folks on this list serve and not my doctors who taught me >> mastery of blood glucose level control. So in the future I wish >> you >> good luck and hopefully you will make good choices. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Harry: Nobody failed. This was not a test. You provided information to and, indirectly, to everyone else on the list. Everyone learns from your lessons. They take away bits and pieces and incorporate them into their diabetes management program. has learned. She has chosen, at the present time, for reasons of her choosing to follow the dictates of her doctor and the wishes of her husband. It would be difficult for most of us to stand up against those forces if they were aligned in unison. Expecting to follow the dictates of a written voice of someone that she does not know in defiance of those close to her is, perhaps, a little unrealistic. Even though you may not have succeeded in achieving your goals of blood sugar management for , all is not lost. You have planted seeds of knowledge. She will learn more and the fruit that you have planted will bloom. It is just going to take a little longer than you first planned. Have faith! In a worst case scenario, even if you did not help , you helped many others - like me. Marvin I failed > >> > >> I freely admit that I have failed in her attempts to master blood > >> glucose level control. I have failed her in several respects. First of > >> all > >> > >> I have failed to gain her trust. In this same respect I have failed to > >> gain > >> > >> the trust of her husband. It has been evident for several weeks to > >> anyone > >> who cares to make simple observations. When a person can make simple > >> experimental recommendations, which are in themselves perfectly safe for > >> another to perform, and yet these simple recommendations are never > >> carried > >> out is a definite sign that I am not trusted. I failed to convince > >> that she is the primary person that all of her helpers, including her > >> doctor, nurse and husband, should listen to her wishes. They should > >> accommodate her and not her who accommodate them. I failed to show how > >> to > >> do this. I failed to get to share with her doctors and nurse my > >> recommendations I have urged her to do. I failed to have her understand > >> that doing experiments in a fish bowl, where every one can see what is > >> happening is the safest way to conduct life experimentation. Keeping no > >> secrets amongst all those willing to help is the best way to make sure > >> that > >> one will be safe, and I don't think knows this. While I know > >> can count, I still failed to have her count a specific number of grams of > >> carbs of her own choosing and have her stick to it for at least two days > >> in > >> a row. I failed to convince her importance of this simple procedure. I > >> failed to get to believe that she alone is the most important > >> authority over her body. I am not her authority. Presently, it appears > >> that her doctor, nurse and husband are her authorities, not . I > >> failed > >> > >> to demonstrate to that I am truly a master of my blood glucose > >> control, and maybe the fact of over a year of A1C's being at or below 5.5 > >> does not impress her, even though most of my past year and a half A1C's > >> were > >> > >> 5.3 and lower. I have failed others here, too. Long before Wayne had > >> the > >> first amputation several others and I tried to get him to listen to us, > >> but > >> we all failed him, and I am sure we regret that he is no longer with us. > >> He > >> > >> steadfastly believed that only his doctor was right, and he insisted on > >> doing what his doctor recommended and no others. I failed to have him > >> chart > >> > >> his progress or lack of progress where what was happening could clearly > >> be > >> seen by him and all others who cared to look. Apparently, I have failed > >> in the same way. By doing this charting the evidence is clearly > >> visible to all, and any experiments in mastery of blood glucose control > >> can > >> be shown to the diabetic, the doctor, the nurse, the spouse, and any > >> others > >> who care to see. Through this method the individual diabetic learns who > >> is > >> the real authority over one's own body, and it usually comes down to be > >> the > >> responsibility of a single individual, and you know who that would be. > >> It > >> would be you. > >> > >> > >> > >> I not only admit that I have failed , but I also admit I am helpless > >> to > >> > >> make her follow my instructions. When is willing to trust me, I am > >> willing to try again and again. Until that time comes I do not see any > >> way > >> I can be of service to her and any further recommendations on my part are > >> futile. I do recommend trust the people on this list serve, for > >> after > >> > >> all it is the folks on this list serve and not my doctors who taught me > >> mastery of blood glucose level control. So in the future I wish > >> you > >> good luck and hopefully you will make good choices. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Harry: Nobody failed. This was not a test. You provided information to and, indirectly, to everyone else on the list. Everyone learns from your lessons. They take away bits and pieces and incorporate them into their diabetes management program. has learned. She has chosen, at the present time, for reasons of her choosing to follow the dictates of her doctor and the wishes of her husband. It would be difficult for most of us to stand up against those forces if they were aligned in unison. Expecting to follow the dictates of a written voice of someone that she does not know in defiance of those close to her is, perhaps, a little unrealistic. Even though you may not have succeeded in achieving your goals of blood sugar management for , all is not lost. You have planted seeds of knowledge. She will learn more and the fruit that you have planted will bloom. It is just going to take a little longer than you first planned. Have faith! In a worst case scenario, even if you did not help , you helped many others - like me. Marvin I failed > >> > >> I freely admit that I have failed in her attempts to master blood > >> glucose level control. I have failed her in several respects. First of > >> all > >> > >> I have failed to gain her trust. In this same respect I have failed to > >> gain > >> > >> the trust of her husband. It has been evident for several weeks to > >> anyone > >> who cares to make simple observations. When a person can make simple > >> experimental recommendations, which are in themselves perfectly safe for > >> another to perform, and yet these simple recommendations are never > >> carried > >> out is a definite sign that I am not trusted. I failed to convince > >> that she is the primary person that all of her helpers, including her > >> doctor, nurse and husband, should listen to her wishes. They should > >> accommodate her and not her who accommodate them. I failed to show how > >> to > >> do this. I failed to get to share with her doctors and nurse my > >> recommendations I have urged her to do. I failed to have her understand > >> that doing experiments in a fish bowl, where every one can see what is > >> happening is the safest way to conduct life experimentation. Keeping no > >> secrets amongst all those willing to help is the best way to make sure > >> that > >> one will be safe, and I don't think knows this. While I know > >> can count, I still failed to have her count a specific number of grams of > >> carbs of her own choosing and have her stick to it for at least two days > >> in > >> a row. I failed to convince her importance of this simple procedure. I > >> failed to get to believe that she alone is the most important > >> authority over her body. I am not her authority. Presently, it appears > >> that her doctor, nurse and husband are her authorities, not . I > >> failed > >> > >> to demonstrate to that I am truly a master of my blood glucose > >> control, and maybe the fact of over a year of A1C's being at or below 5.5 > >> does not impress her, even though most of my past year and a half A1C's > >> were > >> > >> 5.3 and lower. I have failed others here, too. Long before Wayne had > >> the > >> first amputation several others and I tried to get him to listen to us, > >> but > >> we all failed him, and I am sure we regret that he is no longer with us. > >> He > >> > >> steadfastly believed that only his doctor was right, and he insisted on > >> doing what his doctor recommended and no others. I failed to have him > >> chart > >> > >> his progress or lack of progress where what was happening could clearly > >> be > >> seen by him and all others who cared to look. Apparently, I have failed > >> in the same way. By doing this charting the evidence is clearly > >> visible to all, and any experiments in mastery of blood glucose control > >> can > >> be shown to the diabetic, the doctor, the nurse, the spouse, and any > >> others > >> who care to see. Through this method the individual diabetic learns who > >> is > >> the real authority over one's own body, and it usually comes down to be > >> the > >> responsibility of a single individual, and you know who that would be. > >> It > >> would be you. > >> > >> > >> > >> I not only admit that I have failed , but I also admit I am helpless > >> to > >> > >> make her follow my instructions. When is willing to trust me, I am > >> willing to try again and again. Until that time comes I do not see any > >> way > >> I can be of service to her and any further recommendations on my part are > >> futile. I do recommend trust the people on this list serve, for > >> after > >> > >> all it is the folks on this list serve and not my doctors who taught me > >> mastery of blood glucose level control. So in the future I wish > >> you > >> good luck and hopefully you will make good choices. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Harry: Nobody failed. This was not a test. You provided information to and, indirectly, to everyone else on the list. Everyone learns from your lessons. They take away bits and pieces and incorporate them into their diabetes management program. has learned. She has chosen, at the present time, for reasons of her choosing to follow the dictates of her doctor and the wishes of her husband. It would be difficult for most of us to stand up against those forces if they were aligned in unison. Expecting to follow the dictates of a written voice of someone that she does not know in defiance of those close to her is, perhaps, a little unrealistic. Even though you may not have succeeded in achieving your goals of blood sugar management for , all is not lost. You have planted seeds of knowledge. She will learn more and the fruit that you have planted will bloom. It is just going to take a little longer than you first planned. Have faith! In a worst case scenario, even if you did not help , you helped many others - like me. Marvin I failed > >> > >> I freely admit that I have failed in her attempts to master blood > >> glucose level control. I have failed her in several respects. First of > >> all > >> > >> I have failed to gain her trust. In this same respect I have failed to > >> gain > >> > >> the trust of her husband. It has been evident for several weeks to > >> anyone > >> who cares to make simple observations. When a person can make simple > >> experimental recommendations, which are in themselves perfectly safe for > >> another to perform, and yet these simple recommendations are never > >> carried > >> out is a definite sign that I am not trusted. I failed to convince > >> that she is the primary person that all of her helpers, including her > >> doctor, nurse and husband, should listen to her wishes. They should > >> accommodate her and not her who accommodate them. I failed to show how > >> to > >> do this. I failed to get to share with her doctors and nurse my > >> recommendations I have urged her to do. I failed to have her understand > >> that doing experiments in a fish bowl, where every one can see what is > >> happening is the safest way to conduct life experimentation. Keeping no > >> secrets amongst all those willing to help is the best way to make sure > >> that > >> one will be safe, and I don't think knows this. While I know > >> can count, I still failed to have her count a specific number of grams of > >> carbs of her own choosing and have her stick to it for at least two days > >> in > >> a row. I failed to convince her importance of this simple procedure. I > >> failed to get to believe that she alone is the most important > >> authority over her body. I am not her authority. Presently, it appears > >> that her doctor, nurse and husband are her authorities, not . I > >> failed > >> > >> to demonstrate to that I am truly a master of my blood glucose > >> control, and maybe the fact of over a year of A1C's being at or below 5.5 > >> does not impress her, even though most of my past year and a half A1C's > >> were > >> > >> 5.3 and lower. I have failed others here, too. Long before Wayne had > >> the > >> first amputation several others and I tried to get him to listen to us, > >> but > >> we all failed him, and I am sure we regret that he is no longer with us. > >> He > >> > >> steadfastly believed that only his doctor was right, and he insisted on > >> doing what his doctor recommended and no others. I failed to have him > >> chart > >> > >> his progress or lack of progress where what was happening could clearly > >> be > >> seen by him and all others who cared to look. Apparently, I have failed > >> in the same way. By doing this charting the evidence is clearly > >> visible to all, and any experiments in mastery of blood glucose control > >> can > >> be shown to the diabetic, the doctor, the nurse, the spouse, and any > >> others > >> who care to see. Through this method the individual diabetic learns who > >> is > >> the real authority over one's own body, and it usually comes down to be > >> the > >> responsibility of a single individual, and you know who that would be. > >> It > >> would be you. > >> > >> > >> > >> I not only admit that I have failed , but I also admit I am helpless > >> to > >> > >> make her follow my instructions. When is willing to trust me, I am > >> willing to try again and again. Until that time comes I do not see any > >> way > >> I can be of service to her and any further recommendations on my part are > >> futile. I do recommend trust the people on this list serve, for > >> after > >> > >> all it is the folks on this list serve and not my doctors who taught me > >> mastery of blood glucose level control. So in the future I wish > >> you > >> good luck and hopefully you will make good choices. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2005 Report Share Posted June 2, 2005 Marvin, I have kept silent long enough. you are correct in saying noone failed and this was not a test. patience is a virtue . my nurse came yesterday for her weekly visit and I had the report from the doctor saying I was to take the lantus eight. because he would not listen to me. she prefilled my weekly supply of needles of the lantus reluctantly with the seven units in each needle as I requested. but she called the doctor and told them she could not find the paper work. she did not like to follow the order with out it. I cant believe I had to lie to her with the paper work in my housecoat pocket at this very moment to change it to lantus seven at night. but like a kid, a blind kid. I had to resort to this to get my way. I told her I wanted lantus seven and I do my humalog four times a day and make the changes as I see them so what is the difference. . she said she was waiting for the busy doctor to call her back during the day yesterday. well I was counting on her forgetfulness. she was having a bad day yesterday and I was only her second patient and she was frustrated. I will likely catch hell after I am found out. but I cant believe I had to go to such drastic methods to get the lantus reduced by one stinking unit each naught. I trust the shit will hit the fan when I am found out. I failed >> >> >> >> I freely admit that I have failed in her attempts to master >> >> blood >> >> glucose level control. I have failed her in several respects. First > of >> >> all >> >> >> >> I have failed to gain her trust. In this same respect I have failed >> >> to >> >> gain >> >> >> >> the trust of her husband. It has been evident for several weeks to >> >> anyone >> >> who cares to make simple observations. When a person can make simple >> >> experimental recommendations, which are in themselves perfectly safe > for >> >> another to perform, and yet these simple recommendations are never >> >> carried >> >> out is a definite sign that I am not trusted. I failed to convince > >> >> that she is the primary person that all of her helpers, including her >> >> doctor, nurse and husband, should listen to her wishes. They should >> >> accommodate her and not her who accommodate them. I failed to show >> >> how >> >> to >> >> do this. I failed to get to share with her doctors and nurse my >> >> recommendations I have urged her to do. I failed to have her > understand >> >> that doing experiments in a fish bowl, where every one can see what is >> >> happening is the safest way to conduct life experimentation. Keeping > no >> >> secrets amongst all those willing to help is the best way to make sure >> >> that >> >> one will be safe, and I don't think knows this. While I know > >> >> can count, I still failed to have her count a specific number of grams > of >> >> carbs of her own choosing and have her stick to it for at least two > days >> >> in >> >> a row. I failed to convince her importance of this simple procedure. > I >> >> failed to get to believe that she alone is the most important >> >> authority over her body. I am not her authority. Presently, it > appears >> >> that her doctor, nurse and husband are her authorities, not . I >> >> failed >> >> >> >> to demonstrate to that I am truly a master of my blood glucose >> >> control, and maybe the fact of over a year of A1C's being at or below > 5.5 >> >> does not impress her, even though most of my past year and a half >> >> A1C's >> >> were >> >> >> >> 5.3 and lower. I have failed others here, too. Long before Wayne had >> >> the >> >> first amputation several others and I tried to get him to listen to >> >> us, >> >> but >> >> we all failed him, and I am sure we regret that he is no longer with > us. >> >> He >> >> >> >> steadfastly believed that only his doctor was right, and he insisted >> >> on >> >> doing what his doctor recommended and no others. I failed to have him >> >> chart >> >> >> >> his progress or lack of progress where what was happening could >> >> clearly >> >> be >> >> seen by him and all others who cared to look. Apparently, I have > failed >> >> in the same way. By doing this charting the evidence is clearly >> >> visible to all, and any experiments in mastery of blood glucose >> >> control >> >> can >> >> be shown to the diabetic, the doctor, the nurse, the spouse, and any >> >> others >> >> who care to see. Through this method the individual diabetic learns > who >> >> is >> >> the real authority over one's own body, and it usually comes down to >> >> be >> >> the >> >> responsibility of a single individual, and you know who that would be. >> >> It >> >> would be you. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> I not only admit that I have failed , but I also admit I am > helpless >> >> to >> >> >> >> make her follow my instructions. When is willing to trust me, I > am >> >> willing to try again and again. Until that time comes I do not see >> >> any >> >> way >> >> I can be of service to her and any further recommendations on my part > are >> >> futile. I do recommend trust the people on this list serve, for >> >> after >> >> >> >> all it is the folks on this list serve and not my doctors who taught >> >> me >> >> mastery of blood glucose level control. So in the future I wish >> >> you >> >> good luck and hopefully you will make good choices. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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