Guest guest Posted May 16, 2001 Report Share Posted May 16, 2001 FYI: I've tried the progesterone cream for 7 months now. I had an ultrasound 7 months ago, my fibroid was 11 cm. I had an ultrasound one month ago, the fibroid is still 11 cm. No change. The only thing the progesterone cream did for me was eliminate my blood clots and heavy bleeding during my period. The progesterone cream I got via prescription from my gyn at People's Pharmacy. It's 10% cream. - The first 3 months I hit the progesterone cream pretty hard, about 1/8 tsp. in the morn and at night everyday. - The next 3 months I did 1/8 tsp. in the morn and at night on days 10 -26 of my 28 day cycle. - Starting month 7 I cut back to 1/8 tsp. once a day on days 10 -26, this still eliminates the blood clotting and heavy period. - Month 8, this time I'm trying over-the-counter Progesterone cream to see if it works. The pharmacist at People's Pharmacy told me over-the-counter progesterone cream only contains 1.5 % to 3% progesterone. One last interesting fact - I'm reading " Hormonal Health " by Dr. Colgan right now. He claims over-the-counter progesterone cream is bogus. So I'll use it for the next couple of months to see if it controls my clots and bleeding. Dr. Lee in his book " What Your Doctor May Not Tell You About Premenapause " recommends over-the-counter progesterone cream. But I must tell you I've decided I don't trust Dr. Lee, because he also states in his book that over-the-counter progesterone cream will eliminate your fibroid. I've proven this wrong, no change in my fibroid after 6 months. Dr. Lee's book also claims over-the-counter progesterone cream builds bone density. A good friend of mine tried this for a year with bone density tests by a doctor at the beginning and end of the year, there was no change. - Hope this helps, Debbie Re: decision made > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Guys. Boy did this hit me hard. Three years ago > > > > when I leanred these things had grown to the 20 week > > > > stage, I did the research and learned that " it was > > > > best to keep my uterus " for a) structural b)hormonal > > > > and c)sexual health. Ok. According to the same > > > > sources, I could have a myo no matter what size my > > > > uterus, no matter how many fibroids... WITH a bikini > > > > incision and WITH very little blood loss. OK!!! Fast > > > > recovery time too!! > > > > > > > > Then I began having consultations and that is NOT what > > > > I was told. In fact I was accused of being irrational > > > > and unreasonable. I eventually learned that nobody in > > > > my area was DOING this " new, improved " surgery. > > > > WHY????? I couldn't get them to tell me. > > > > > > > > So I looked at traveling to have surgery. My > > > > insurance at the time, a govt HMO, would not allow me > > > > to travel, even tho the policy stated that " for > > > > medical specialty, or when care is not available " I > > > > could go out of state. I went thru over 18 months of > > > > appeals and all I won was the right to go out of > > > > network but within my county which did not help at > > > > all, since no doctor here did the surgery or had ever > > > > done a successful myo on a uterus my size with this > > > > many fibroids. > > > > > > > > During this time my symptoms were taking over my life. > > > > I had gushing to the point of being afraid I would > > > > bleed to death almost every month. I became anemic. > > > > I had pain and pulling thruout the month and not just > > > > during my period. I had episodes of bladder spasms > > > > which sent me to the ER, bowels spasms which ended up > > > > putting me on medication, and developed such a severe > > > > consipation problem that Senokot and fiber have > > > > logging this has become a way of life. > > > > > > > > I have been reinstated on a plan which will allow me > > > > to travel...as of nine months ago, but by that time I > > > > had to move due to landlord problems and I was so > > > > debilitated that it took me all this time to get > > > > unpacked and settled and to a point where I felt > > > > organized enough to have this surgery. I have become > > > > increasingly desparate. I have pain from degenration > > > > and calcification (it feels like there is a sack of > > > > rocks in there) and the strain getting up and down > > > > from a seated position, walking any distance, going up > > > > and down stairs, well I am darn near handicapped from > > > > this. > > > > > > > > I began having erratic periods,like this last week, > > > > within two weeks of the last one! > > > > > > > > I feel like I am caving under the pressure of all of > > > > this. I have been recommended for UAE, but I am too > > > > burnt out to do the research right now. I had ruled > > > > that out due to my size and # of fibroids and also > > > > Carla's experience (losing uterine contraction). I > > > > have a couple of docs I could see for myo but they are > > > > all the way across the country and right now I don't > > > > feel up to the trip. Also, a woman who had a myo with > > > > Levine right about the time I began this, three years > > > > ago, ALREADY has regrowth and is having another > > > > surgery! I am NOT having TWO surgeries... > > > > > > > > Lap s/c hyst is looking pretty good. I like the fast > > > > recovery time. I like knowing that I will never bleed > > > > again or have any future problems. But I keep > > > > thinking about my original research. I will be > > > > setting myself up for loss of structural support in > > > > the pelvic area and possibly a life with Depends in > > > > the future. I could be looking at HRT which will be > > > > another whole bag of worms. And I will definetely > > > > lose the uterine contraction during orgasm which I > > > > still remember describing to my best friend all those > > > > years ago as a clenching, a " loins thing " ... and > > > > pretty terrific. I mean, that's the " big ending " ... > > > > how will sex end now? > > > > > > > > Three years ago I felt it was imperitive to hold on, > > > > not to lose anything. Now I am actually coming to > > > > terms with the idea of " growing old " of inevitable > > > > changes " facts of life " stuff. I don't know if I am > > > > , as I said, caving under the pressure, or finding > > > > " acceptance " . > > > > > > > > So now I am finding myself stymied and immobilized > > > > AGAIN. I don't know about you guys, but my family, > > > > friends, and boyfriend are SO SICK of hearing about > > > > this. I am SICK of talking about it. I feel like one > > > > of those women I used to hate, who go around > > > > discussing their gyn problems to get attention or just > > > > in inappropriate situations. I knew a couple of women > > > > like this at work and church when I was younger and I > > > > thought they had to be nuts to constantly talk about > > > > this. > > > > > > > > I have a real sense of urgency. I do not want to have > > > > another period. I want to get on with my life. I > > > > want all the hassle to go away and I want my time back > > > > and my energy. I want a flat stomach again. I want > > > > everyone to see that I finally " dealt with this " . > > > > > > > > BUT WHAT THE HECK IS THE ANSWER? I know that only I > > > > can decide. For the first time in my life I honestly > > > > don't know what to do now. > > > > > > > > This is going to be a week of much prayer and > > > > meditation, and if I can summons the energy, a re-look > > > > at all my reams and reams of research. > > > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > --- Pam Ganser wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita: I can certainly relate to and > > > > > understand your situation. It seems that our timing > > > > > on this decision is synchronized. I work at a school > > > > > too and am on aygestin, loestrin, and now lupron > > > > > again and I have had it too. I used up all of my > > > > > sick leave and am planning to have an abdominal > > > > > hysterectomy the first week of June. I don't want to > > > > > see anymore blood, kotex-with or without wings, > > > > > clots, bathrooms every 10 minutes or my little red > > > > > backpack with my change of clothes and two pairs of > > > > > underwear. Everything I've tried has failed ,so > > > > > goodbye uterus. What are you going to do about your > > > > > ovaries? I am not afraid of this surgery, in fact I > > > > > am relieved to have finally made a decision in which > > > > > there will never be a possibility of me bleeding > > > > > again. I just wish there had been another solution > > > > > for us that was easier. Hopefully, in the future > > > > > there will be. Pam Ganser > > > > > > > > > > Ken Liggett wrote: > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > I guess the bleeding and clotting has finally worn > > > > > me down. Again at work yesterday I couldn't stay > > > > > out of the bathroom all morning. I got scared again > > > > > that this was it I was just going to hemorrage. I > > > > > called the Dr. and he wanted tosee me. I am off the > > > > > aygestin and now taking a higher BC pill > > > > > Two a day for now. I am going to get the Lupron > > > > > shot in a couple of days and I decided to have a > > > > > vaginal hysterectomy in July as soon as school is > > > > > out. I hope I last that long. I have only one > > > > > ovary that he will leave in place. Hopefully I > > > > > don't have adhesions and he can complete the > > > > > operation vaginally. I appreciate all the > > > > > information and concern I received from all of you > > > > > and will continue to monitor the e-mails. I'll let > > > > > you know my experiences on Lupron. Thank you > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2001 Report Share Posted May 16, 2001 Debbie, Thanks for your informative note. I will keep researching and also get my Doc's opinion when I see him next week. Re: decision made > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Guys. Boy did this hit me hard. Three years ago > > > > > when I leanred these things had grown to the 20 week > > > > > stage, I did the research and learned that " it was > > > > > best to keep my uterus " for a) structural b)hormonal > > > > > and c)sexual health. Ok. According to the same > > > > > sources, I could have a myo no matter what size my > > > > > uterus, no matter how many fibroids... WITH a bikini > > > > > incision and WITH very little blood loss. OK!!! Fast > > > > > recovery time too!! > > > > > > > > > > Then I began having consultations and that is NOT what > > > > > I was told. In fact I was accused of being irrational > > > > > and unreasonable. I eventually learned that nobody in > > > > > my area was DOING this " new, improved " surgery. > > > > > WHY????? I couldn't get them to tell me. > > > > > > > > > > So I looked at traveling to have surgery. My > > > > > insurance at the time, a govt HMO, would not allow me > > > > > to travel, even tho the policy stated that " for > > > > > medical specialty, or when care is not available " I > > > > > could go out of state. I went thru over 18 months of > > > > > appeals and all I won was the right to go out of > > > > > network but within my county which did not help at > > > > > all, since no doctor here did the surgery or had ever > > > > > done a successful myo on a uterus my size with this > > > > > many fibroids. > > > > > > > > > > During this time my symptoms were taking over my life. > > > > > I had gushing to the point of being afraid I would > > > > > bleed to death almost every month. I became anemic. > > > > > I had pain and pulling thruout the month and not just > > > > > during my period. I had episodes of bladder spasms > > > > > which sent me to the ER, bowels spasms which ended up > > > > > putting me on medication, and developed such a severe > > > > > consipation problem that Senokot and fiber have > > > > > logging this has become a way of life. > > > > > > > > > > I have been reinstated on a plan which will allow me > > > > > to travel...as of nine months ago, but by that time I > > > > > had to move due to landlord problems and I was so > > > > > debilitated that it took me all this time to get > > > > > unpacked and settled and to a point where I felt > > > > > organized enough to have this surgery. I have become > > > > > increasingly desparate. I have pain from degenration > > > > > and calcification (it feels like there is a sack of > > > > > rocks in there) and the strain getting up and down > > > > > from a seated position, walking any distance, going up > > > > > and down stairs, well I am darn near handicapped from > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > I began having erratic periods,like this last week, > > > > > within two weeks of the last one! > > > > > > > > > > I feel like I am caving under the pressure of all of > > > > > this. I have been recommended for UAE, but I am too > > > > > burnt out to do the research right now. I had ruled > > > > > that out due to my size and # of fibroids and also > > > > > Carla's experience (losing uterine contraction). I > > > > > have a couple of docs I could see for myo but they are > > > > > all the way across the country and right now I don't > > > > > feel up to the trip. Also, a woman who had a myo with > > > > > Levine right about the time I began this, three years > > > > > ago, ALREADY has regrowth and is having another > > > > > surgery! I am NOT having TWO surgeries... > > > > > > > > > > Lap s/c hyst is looking pretty good. I like the fast > > > > > recovery time. I like knowing that I will never bleed > > > > > again or have any future problems. But I keep > > > > > thinking about my original research. I will be > > > > > setting myself up for loss of structural support in > > > > > the pelvic area and possibly a life with Depends in > > > > > the future. I could be looking at HRT which will be > > > > > another whole bag of worms. And I will definetely > > > > > lose the uterine contraction during orgasm which I > > > > > still remember describing to my best friend all those > > > > > years ago as a clenching, a " loins thing " ... and > > > > > pretty terrific. I mean, that's the " big ending " ... > > > > > how will sex end now? > > > > > > > > > > Three years ago I felt it was imperitive to hold on, > > > > > not to lose anything. Now I am actually coming to > > > > > terms with the idea of " growing old " of inevitable > > > > > changes " facts of life " stuff. I don't know if I am > > > > > , as I said, caving under the pressure, or finding > > > > > " acceptance " . > > > > > > > > > > So now I am finding myself stymied and immobilized > > > > > AGAIN. I don't know about you guys, but my family, > > > > > friends, and boyfriend are SO SICK of hearing about > > > > > this. I am SICK of talking about it. I feel like one > > > > > of those women I used to hate, who go around > > > > > discussing their gyn problems to get attention or just > > > > > in inappropriate situations. I knew a couple of women > > > > > like this at work and church when I was younger and I > > > > > thought they had to be nuts to constantly talk about > > > > > this. > > > > > > > > > > I have a real sense of urgency. I do not want to have > > > > > another period. I want to get on with my life. I > > > > > want all the hassle to go away and I want my time back > > > > > and my energy. I want a flat stomach again. I want > > > > > everyone to see that I finally " dealt with this " . > > > > > > > > > > BUT WHAT THE HECK IS THE ANSWER? I know that only I > > > > > can decide. For the first time in my life I honestly > > > > > don't know what to do now. > > > > > > > > > > This is going to be a week of much prayer and > > > > > meditation, and if I can summons the energy, a re-look > > > > > at all my reams and reams of research. > > > > > > > > > > B > > > > > > > > > > --- Pam Ganser wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Dear Anita: I can certainly relate to and > > > > > > understand your situation. It seems that our timing > > > > > > on this decision is synchronized. I work at a school > > > > > > too and am on aygestin, loestrin, and now lupron > > > > > > again and I have had it too. I used up all of my > > > > > > sick leave and am planning to have an abdominal > > > > > > hysterectomy the first week of June. I don't want to > > > > > > see anymore blood, kotex-with or without wings, > > > > > > clots, bathrooms every 10 minutes or my little red > > > > > > backpack with my change of clothes and two pairs of > > > > > > underwear. Everything I've tried has failed ,so > > > > > > goodbye uterus. What are you going to do about your > > > > > > ovaries? I am not afraid of this surgery, in fact I > > > > > > am relieved to have finally made a decision in which > > > > > > there will never be a possibility of me bleeding > > > > > > again. I just wish there had been another solution > > > > > > for us that was easier. Hopefully, in the future > > > > > > there will be. Pam Ganser > > > > > > > > > > > > Ken Liggett wrote: > > > > > > Dear Friends, > > > > > > I guess the bleeding and clotting has finally worn > > > > > > me down. Again at work yesterday I couldn't stay > > > > > > out of the bathroom all morning. I got scared again > > > > > > that this was it I was just going to hemorrage. I > > > > > > called the Dr. and he wanted tosee me. I am off the > > > > > > aygestin and now taking a higher BC pill > > > > > > Two a day for now. I am going to get the Lupron > > > > > > shot in a couple of days and I decided to have a > > > > > > vaginal hysterectomy in July as soon as school is > > > > > > out. I hope I last that long. I have only one > > > > > > ovary that he will leave in place. Hopefully I > > > > > > don't have adhesions and he can complete the > > > > > > operation vaginally. I appreciate all the > > > > > > information and concern I received from all of you > > > > > > and will continue to monitor the e-mails. I'll let > > > > > > you know my experiences on Lupron. Thank you > > > > > > Anita > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > > > > > removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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