Re: Topper Nutri-med natural thyroid versus Armour

[Guest guest]

P.S. Did I mention that I watched my mother die that slow, agonizing

death from undertreated hypo (actually untreated for decades)? Heart

attack was on the death certificate. But there is no doubt in my

mind what caused her to die 30 years younger than her own mother and

her own grandmother had. Hypothyroidism.

[Guest guest]

Bless your heart Gentle !!

Patti

Re: Topper Nutri-med natural thyroid versus

Armour

P.S. Did I mention that I watched my mother die that slow, agonizing

death from undertreated hypo (actually untreated for decades)? Heart

attack was on the death certificate. But there is no doubt in my

mind what caused her to die 30 years younger than her own mother and

her own grandmother had. Hypothyroidism.

[Guest guest]

Bless your heart Gentle !!

Patti

Re: Topper Nutri-med natural thyroid versus

Armour

P.S. Did I mention that I watched my mother die that slow, agonizing

death from undertreated hypo (actually untreated for decades)? Heart

attack was on the death certificate. But there is no doubt in my

mind what caused her to die 30 years younger than her own mother and

her own grandmother had. Hypothyroidism.

[Guest guest]

There are good ones out there... if you find one.. bring them cookies for

Christmas... but we all need to be aware that thyroid disorders can be

treated... not some of the diseases, actually.. but we have medications

available that allow us to compensate for malfunctioning, failing or dead

thyroids

EVERYONE needs to be aware of that and not just get pushed out the door

like I did... like so many others on this list!!!

Topper ()

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:25:15 -0000 " gentleone772002 "

writes:

> Topper, what a great eye-opener! I am starting to REALLY hate the

> majority of doctors out there. Really, really, really.

>

> Gentle

[Guest guest]

There are good ones out there... if you find one.. bring them cookies for

Christmas... but we all need to be aware that thyroid disorders can be

treated... not some of the diseases, actually.. but we have medications

available that allow us to compensate for malfunctioning, failing or dead

thyroids

EVERYONE needs to be aware of that and not just get pushed out the door

like I did... like so many others on this list!!!

Topper ()

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:25:15 -0000 " gentleone772002 "

writes:

> Topper, what a great eye-opener! I am starting to REALLY hate the

> majority of doctors out there. Really, really, really.

>

> Gentle

[Guest guest]

I believe that was the case for my mom.... but, again, no proof... I

don't know for sure if they'd even let me see her records, if she was

ever even tested.

Topper ()

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:26:46 -0000 " gentleone772002 "

writes:

> P.S. Did I mention that I watched my mother die that slow, agonizing

> death from undertreated hypo (actually untreated for decades)?

> Heart

> attack was on the death certificate. But there is no doubt in my

> mind what caused her to die 30 years younger than her own mother and

> her own grandmother had. Hypothyroidism.

[Guest guest]

I believe that was the case for my mom.... but, again, no proof... I

don't know for sure if they'd even let me see her records, if she was

ever even tested.

Topper ()

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 21:26:46 -0000 " gentleone772002 "

writes:

> P.S. Did I mention that I watched my mother die that slow, agonizing

> death from undertreated hypo (actually untreated for decades)?

> Heart

> attack was on the death certificate. But there is no doubt in my

> mind what caused her to die 30 years younger than her own mother and

> her own grandmother had. Hypothyroidism.

[Guest guest]

I have a question. Amitryptaline (Elavil), is a mood elevator for depression or

given 1x a day at night to help go to a deeper sleep for people with Chronic

pain. Why did they give you that for asthma? Also, I was told no branch of the

military medical staff can prescribe Armour? Yours does?

Gentle

Does anyone have any statistics?

> > It is a struggle. I don't want to do anything illegal.. doing

that

> brings

> > up the cause and justification to tighten things, increasing

> regulation

> > and changing stuff.. making it a possibility that they will no

> longer

> > allow importation... that is not something that I'd want to be

> cause of

> > .......

> >

> > Being back on meds.. becoming stronger and healthier everyday..

you

> can't

> > imagine... I was without any meds for 3 years!! I've not been

able

> to see

> > a doc since May of '97.. and he underdosed me.... Every doc I had

> for ten

> > years underdosed me....

> >

> > Now I self-medicate.. and learned how to care for my self.. with

> the help

> > of some VERY VERY special people.. I now have LIFE and no longer

> simply

> > exist... Now.. I hope that I am of help to others... my way of

> saying

> > thanks to all those that have helped me... Life.. it is a

wondrous

> thing

> > to have back!

> >

> > ... and I have these really pretty shinny leg hairs... the

prettiest

> > ever!!! heheheheehehh

> >

> > Topper ()

> >

> > On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 01:43:51 -0000 " astrodiana " <Astrodiana@c...>

> > writes:

> > > I am confident nothing (glandulars) is going to get

pulled....at

> > > least not all of it, even if some from certain sources would be

> and

> > > we need to keep the offshores purchases close to the vest (as

you

> > > know) and not come up with ideas to buy in bulk or do anything

> else

> > > illegal because that's when it could all fall apart for people.

> But

> > > there will always be ways...even whenever someone goes to

mexico

> to

> > > come back with as much as they can..you can walk in and buy

> > > OTC...then we just have to unite...although I get

> > > prescriptions...but - I have gotten pretty good at mailing

this

> > > stuff to people who need it..LOL at first, I was paranoid the

> cops

> > > would show up at my house...LOL My son is 37 and living at

> > > home...things are tough enough in this economy wihtout being

ill

> > > too. I know it wasn't a picnic for him being here either..he

> felt

> > > worthless, but at least now he's got a good doctor (who I no

> longer

> > > have to pay, because he has insurance) and a good job.

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

>

[Guest guest]

> I have a question. Amitryptaline (Elavil), is a mood elevator for

depression or given 1x a day at night to help go to a deeper sleep

for people with Chronic pain. Why did they give you that for asthma?

Also, I was told no branch of the military medical staff can

prescribe Armour? Yours does?

>

>

>Hi, Jamy, I didn't write it very well. What I meant to say is, the

medicine (don't know the name of it but it's the inhaler stuff) they

gave me for my occasional asthma made my heart rate soar and my heart

pound. I never have asthma except for when I have bad bronchitis, so

I don't have a day-to-day prescription for anything related to

asthma. But when I get bronchitis, I go into the ER, they do

that " blow into the tube " test on me and they get all freaked and

give me " the treatment. " Usually they give me two treatments before

they let me go home. It's some kind of stuff you breathe in and it

tastes kind of funny. Don't know what the name of it is but it made

my heart pound bad. It's not Elavil though - they gave me Elavil for

a totally separate condition called Interstitial Cystitis.

The Elavil I was given for a chronic pain condition called

Interstitial Cystitis. It is similar to the feeling of having a UTI

(bladder infection) 24 hours a day but they do not know what causes

it nor what cures it. (I can tell them - thyroid medicine - my

bladder has been getting better the whole time I've been on this

stuff.) Elavil is pretty standard therapy for IC - generally

the " big three " treatments they give are Elmiron (to rebuild the

bladder lining), Elavil (to reduce pain), and Atarax (to reduce mast

cell activity that might contribute to the pain of IC). Anyway, the

Elavil made my heart race and pound. So I am glad not to be taking

it anymore as it scared me that way.

I do not know if the Army or any military branch gives out

prescriptions for Armour because I am self-medicating. I TRIED to

get Army docs to give me ANYTHING for my hypothyroid symptoms -but

was told it was all in my head and was given a referal to a

psychiatrist. For all I know, maybe the Army docs don't give

anything for ANY cases of hypothyroidism - maybe they just give

referals to shrinks and wait for the patient to die. Wouldn't

surprise me any.

My TSH of 2.6 to 2.9 and rock bottom free T-4 readings and multiple

symptoms of hypothyroidism were not enough to convince the Army docs

to prescribe me ANYTHING. So therefore I do not know WHAT they

prescribe or don't prescribe for Hypo condition.

The only reason I'm on Armour is because I took a chance and put

MYSELF sans prescription on Armour. Or actually Nutri-meds at this

point. Have ordered Armour and am waiting for it.

I guess that kills my plan of hoping I can take an empty bottle into

the Army doc and ask for more....I guess I won't bother. I'll just

keep self-medicating.

I'm sure the Army docs would rather me stay sick but I think I will

be a bad girl and get well instead.

LOL!

Gentle

[Guest guest]

> I have a question. Amitryptaline (Elavil), is a mood elevator for

depression or given 1x a day at night to help go to a deeper sleep

for people with Chronic pain. Why did they give you that for asthma?

Also, I was told no branch of the military medical staff can

prescribe Armour? Yours does?

>

>Hi, Jamy, you got me curious about whether or not the Army

prescribes Armour...

I found it in the formulary for the Ft. Knox MEDDAC. Please see this

link and look under " thyroid preparations " towards the bottom of the

page. http://216.239.39.104/search?

q=cache:YfFtn_ZfydwJ:wwwiach.knox.amedd.army.mil/iach/pharmacy/formula

ry%2520reference%25208-

19.doc+Armour+thyroid+Army+formulary & hl=en & lr=lang_en & ie=UTF-8

Since the Army formulary is standard from post to post, it means

Armour thyroid is available on every Army post hospital. If an item

is in the formulary, it means it is prescribed frequently enough by

Army doctors to warrant being carried as part of the formulary and

immediately available to patients.

If an item is needed but not often prescribed (such as Elmiron) the

doc has to make a special request and the drug has to be special-

ordered because it's not in the formulary because there is not enough

demand for it.

I do not know about the rest of the branches of service, but the Army

does appear to prescribe Armour.

Does that mean every doc will? NO way.

Gentle

[Guest guest]

> I have a question. Amitryptaline (Elavil), is a mood elevator for

depression or given 1x a day at night to help go to a deeper sleep

for people with Chronic pain. Why did they give you that for asthma?

Also, I was told no branch of the military medical staff can

prescribe Armour? Yours does?

>

>Hi, Jamy, you got me curious about whether or not the Army

prescribes Armour...

I found it in the formulary for the Ft. Knox MEDDAC. Please see this

link and look under " thyroid preparations " towards the bottom of the

page. http://216.239.39.104/search?

q=cache:YfFtn_ZfydwJ:wwwiach.knox.amedd.army.mil/iach/pharmacy/formula

ry%2520reference%25208-

19.doc+Armour+thyroid+Army+formulary & hl=en & lr=lang_en & ie=UTF-8

Since the Army formulary is standard from post to post, it means

Armour thyroid is available on every Army post hospital. If an item

is in the formulary, it means it is prescribed frequently enough by

Army doctors to warrant being carried as part of the formulary and

immediately available to patients.

If an item is needed but not often prescribed (such as Elmiron) the

doc has to make a special request and the drug has to be special-

ordered because it's not in the formulary because there is not enough

demand for it.

I do not know about the rest of the branches of service, but the Army

does appear to prescribe Armour.

Does that mean every doc will? NO way.

Gentle

[Guest guest]

Have you had your antibodies tested? I doubt they will treat you at 2 .something

unless you could show a goiter or something. That is my TSH was when I was first

feeling bad, but they never tested my antibodies. Now I tell people test those.

Re: Topper Nutri-med natural thyroid versus

Armour

> I have a question. Amitryptaline (Elavil), is a mood elevator for

depression or given 1x a day at night to help go to a deeper sleep

for people with Chronic pain. Why did they give you that for asthma?

Also, I was told no branch of the military medical staff can

prescribe Armour? Yours does?

>

>

>Hi, Jamy, I didn't write it very well. What I meant to say is, the

medicine (don't know the name of it but it's the inhaler stuff) they

gave me for my occasional asthma made my heart rate soar and my heart

pound

[Guest guest]

Have you had your antibodies tested? I doubt they will treat you at 2 .something

unless you could show a goiter or something. That is my TSH was when I was first

feeling bad, but they never tested my antibodies. Now I tell people test those.

Re: Topper Nutri-med natural thyroid versus

Armour

> I have a question. Amitryptaline (Elavil), is a mood elevator for

depression or given 1x a day at night to help go to a deeper sleep

for people with Chronic pain. Why did they give you that for asthma?

Also, I was told no branch of the military medical staff can

prescribe Armour? Yours does?

>

>

>Hi, Jamy, I didn't write it very well. What I meant to say is, the

medicine (don't know the name of it but it's the inhaler stuff) they

gave me for my occasional asthma made my heart rate soar and my heart

pound

[Guest guest]

I will be curious to see, because it is the Army that I know refused for several

people. Synthroid only

Re: Topper Nutri-med natural thyroid versus

Armour

> I have a question. Amitryptaline (Elavil), is a mood elevator for

depression or given 1x a day at night to help go to a deeper sleep

for people with Chronic pain. Why did they give you that for asthma?

Also, I was told no branch of the military medical staff can

prescribe Armour? Yours does?

>

>Hi, Jamy, you got me curious about whether or not the Army

prescribes Armour...

I found it in the formulary for the Ft. Knox MEDDAC. Please see this

link and look under " thyroid preparations " towards the bottom of the

page. http://216.239.39.104/search?

q=cache:YfFtn_ZfydwJ:wwwiach.knox.amedd.army.mil/iach/pharmacy/formula

ry%2520reference%25208-

19.doc+Armour+thyroid+Army+formulary & hl=en & lr=lang_en & ie=UTF-8

Since the Army formulary is standard from post to post, it means

Armour thyroid is available on every Army post hospital. If an item

is in the formulary, it means it is prescribed frequently enough by

Army doctors to warrant being carried as part of the formulary and

immediately available to patients.

If an item is needed but not often prescribed (such as Elmiron) the

doc has to make a special request and the drug has to be special-

ordered because it's not in the formulary because there is not enough

demand for it.

I do not know about the rest of the branches of service, but the Army

does appear to prescribe Armour.

Does that mean every doc will? NO way.

Gentle

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

I will be curious to see, because it is the Army that I know refused for several

people. Synthroid only

Re: Topper Nutri-med natural thyroid versus

Armour

> I have a question. Amitryptaline (Elavil), is a mood elevator for

depression or given 1x a day at night to help go to a deeper sleep

for people with Chronic pain. Why did they give you that for asthma?

Also, I was told no branch of the military medical staff can

prescribe Armour? Yours does?

>

>Hi, Jamy, you got me curious about whether or not the Army

prescribes Armour...

I found it in the formulary for the Ft. Knox MEDDAC. Please see this

link and look under " thyroid preparations " towards the bottom of the

page. http://216.239.39.104/search?

q=cache:YfFtn_ZfydwJ:wwwiach.knox.amedd.army.mil/iach/pharmacy/formula

ry%2520reference%25208-

19.doc+Armour+thyroid+Army+formulary & hl=en & lr=lang_en & ie=UTF-8

Since the Army formulary is standard from post to post, it means

Armour thyroid is available on every Army post hospital. If an item

is in the formulary, it means it is prescribed frequently enough by

Army doctors to warrant being carried as part of the formulary and

immediately available to patients.

If an item is needed but not often prescribed (such as Elmiron) the

doc has to make a special request and the drug has to be special-

ordered because it's not in the formulary because there is not enough

demand for it.

I do not know about the rest of the branches of service, but the Army

does appear to prescribe Armour.

Does that mean every doc will? NO way.

Gentle

------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

> I will be curious to see, because it is the Army that I know

refused for several people. Synthroid only

Hi, Jamy, you've probably been to that site by now and have seen that

Armour is indeed part of Meddac's formulary (try it for ANY post -

you will see.)

Since it's part of the formulary, it's being prescribed.

This reminds me of an experience I had a couple years ago with an

Army doctor (Lieutenant Colonel in fact - fairly high ranking.)

I went in for my annual pap smear. Requested a certain type of birth

control pill that I had been prescribed by a different doc the year

before at the same Army hospital.

The Army doc told me " No. " He said, " I prescribe XXX instead for ALL

my patients. You will get XXX. "

I said, " But I tried XXX birth control pills and they gave me

horrible spotting all month long, I had terrible problems so the

doctor switched me to YYY birth control pills which are working well

for me with no spotting. "

Doctor's face turns red and it is obvious he is very angry.

" We do NOT have YYY birth control pills in the formulary. "

" But doctor, I GOT these pills from this pharmacy, so I KNOW they DO

carry them in the formulary. "

Now the doctor is really in a huff, I think he's going to hit me in

fact he is so mad.

" Fine " Acid dripping in his voice. " You'll get your pills. "

Anything ELSE you want?

He then transferred me to a different doctor, saying that I was a

problem patient. AT NO TIME was I rude or in any way impolite to the

doctor. But I didn't go along with his XXX birth control pills for

ALL patients so he was pissed. It was extra work for him to type in

(look up on the computer) the other brand I wanted because they

worked best for me.

Army doctors LIE. All the time in fact.

Apparently a few Army docs felt like lying to a few patients that you

know. Wouldn't be the first nor last time an Army doc has lied

because they were lazy or whatever.

Gentle

P.S. Want a good way to get around a doc like that? Ask the

pharmacy, before you go in to the doctor, for a printout of the

formulary. Or at least a printout containing the particlular

medicine you want (page 90 of 120 or something, you know). So then

when the doc says " we can't prescribe it, don't carry it... " you can

whip that right out and prove to them they CAN prescribe it. Then

they will probably get mad and transfer you to a different doc for

being a problem patient, but you'll get your med.

Plus there is always the patient advocate if it comes to that, if you

want to make a fuss over a stubborn doc.

[Guest guest]

> I will be curious to see, because it is the Army that I know

refused for several people. Synthroid only

Hi, Jamy, you've probably been to that site by now and have seen that

Armour is indeed part of Meddac's formulary (try it for ANY post -

you will see.)

Since it's part of the formulary, it's being prescribed.

This reminds me of an experience I had a couple years ago with an

Army doctor (Lieutenant Colonel in fact - fairly high ranking.)

I went in for my annual pap smear. Requested a certain type of birth

control pill that I had been prescribed by a different doc the year

before at the same Army hospital.

The Army doc told me " No. " He said, " I prescribe XXX instead for ALL

my patients. You will get XXX. "

I said, " But I tried XXX birth control pills and they gave me

horrible spotting all month long, I had terrible problems so the

doctor switched me to YYY birth control pills which are working well

for me with no spotting. "

Doctor's face turns red and it is obvious he is very angry.

" We do NOT have YYY birth control pills in the formulary. "

" But doctor, I GOT these pills from this pharmacy, so I KNOW they DO

carry them in the formulary. "

Now the doctor is really in a huff, I think he's going to hit me in

fact he is so mad.

" Fine " Acid dripping in his voice. " You'll get your pills. "

Anything ELSE you want?

He then transferred me to a different doctor, saying that I was a

problem patient. AT NO TIME was I rude or in any way impolite to the

doctor. But I didn't go along with his XXX birth control pills for

ALL patients so he was pissed. It was extra work for him to type in

(look up on the computer) the other brand I wanted because they

worked best for me.

Army doctors LIE. All the time in fact.

Apparently a few Army docs felt like lying to a few patients that you

know. Wouldn't be the first nor last time an Army doc has lied

because they were lazy or whatever.

Gentle

P.S. Want a good way to get around a doc like that? Ask the

pharmacy, before you go in to the doctor, for a printout of the

formulary. Or at least a printout containing the particlular

medicine you want (page 90 of 120 or something, you know). So then

when the doc says " we can't prescribe it, don't carry it... " you can

whip that right out and prove to them they CAN prescribe it. Then

they will probably get mad and transfer you to a different doc for

being a problem patient, but you'll get your med.

Plus there is always the patient advocate if it comes to that, if you

want to make a fuss over a stubborn doc.