Re: Nutri-med natural thyroid versus Armour

[Guest guest]

TMI, no..

I've read up a wee bit on the chemicals that are used in commercial

female product.. they may have been prejudice reports... but after

learning how docs treat hypos I'm not totally discounting them.... It has

to do with the beaching and scenting agents in the products known to be

producers and contributors to cramping, headaches, bloating, etc and than

PMS products work because they counter act the effects of the chemical

toxins...

Then there is the other aspect... the uterus goes through a normal rhythm

as it cleanses itself after each cycle.. It seems to be quite logical

that if a hypothyroid condition can alter the normal contraction rhythm

of both the stomach, causing it to not properly break down food in the

process of digestion.. and the same thing with the intestines, throwing

off the natural rhythm of the bowel and how it processes food and waste,

would it not make sense that the uterus, when thrown off rhythm would

create problems in it's own way? If our hormones are off, due to hypo

imbalances or chemical toxins.. and the uterine muscles are getting

signals that are out of sync, would that not cause cramping and pain??

Same for the other symptoms.. if it's out of natural rhythm and muscles

and tissue are no longer synchronized to preform their functions in

tandem.. and start working against each other.. the pain lets us know

that something is wrong by telling us the only way that it can, Pain.

Something to consider.. I did.. long enough to find the materials that I

needed to make a few pads and try... and that was that... I have two

emergency pads and one tampon.. just incase I have to scoot out the door

in a hurry and want something to grab in a hurry.. but I've had them now

since December of 2002.. and have no desire to ever use them again.

Topper ()

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:08:04 -0000 " gentleone772002 "

writes:

>

> LOL! Oh gosh I'm learning so much! So my horrible, long, frequent,

> disabling crampy type periods were because I have been hypo all my

> life!

>

> (Seriously I had soy formula as an infant and then had all the

> symptoms of hypo - late teething, late talking, late walking,

> sleeping all the time, etc.)

>

> And I even have TWO uterii and TWO cervixes and two vaginas so I get

> double the fun. HOrrible, horrible periods. Oh yeah my Mom was

> basically hypo all her life too - so that's probalby how I ended up

> with the birth defect of duplicate reproductive systems (called

> mullerian tube defect). TMI, sorry, I know.

>

> Gentle

[Guest guest]

TMI, no..

I've read up a wee bit on the chemicals that are used in commercial

female product.. they may have been prejudice reports... but after

learning how docs treat hypos I'm not totally discounting them.... It has

to do with the beaching and scenting agents in the products known to be

producers and contributors to cramping, headaches, bloating, etc and than

PMS products work because they counter act the effects of the chemical

toxins...

Then there is the other aspect... the uterus goes through a normal rhythm

as it cleanses itself after each cycle.. It seems to be quite logical

that if a hypothyroid condition can alter the normal contraction rhythm

of both the stomach, causing it to not properly break down food in the

process of digestion.. and the same thing with the intestines, throwing

off the natural rhythm of the bowel and how it processes food and waste,

would it not make sense that the uterus, when thrown off rhythm would

create problems in it's own way? If our hormones are off, due to hypo

imbalances or chemical toxins.. and the uterine muscles are getting

signals that are out of sync, would that not cause cramping and pain??

Same for the other symptoms.. if it's out of natural rhythm and muscles

and tissue are no longer synchronized to preform their functions in

tandem.. and start working against each other.. the pain lets us know

that something is wrong by telling us the only way that it can, Pain.

Something to consider.. I did.. long enough to find the materials that I

needed to make a few pads and try... and that was that... I have two

emergency pads and one tampon.. just incase I have to scoot out the door

in a hurry and want something to grab in a hurry.. but I've had them now

since December of 2002.. and have no desire to ever use them again.

Topper ()

On Thu, 29 Jan 2004 17:08:04 -0000 " gentleone772002 "

writes:

>

> LOL! Oh gosh I'm learning so much! So my horrible, long, frequent,

> disabling crampy type periods were because I have been hypo all my

> life!

>

> (Seriously I had soy formula as an infant and then had all the

> symptoms of hypo - late teething, late talking, late walking,

> sleeping all the time, etc.)

>

> And I even have TWO uterii and TWO cervixes and two vaginas so I get

> double the fun. HOrrible, horrible periods. Oh yeah my Mom was

> basically hypo all her life too - so that's probalby how I ended up

> with the birth defect of duplicate reproductive systems (called

> mullerian tube defect). TMI, sorry, I know.

>

> Gentle

[Guest guest]

Hi, Topper,

You are right. No single doctor could deal with the input from 20

patients. In the days before all of the sophisticated testing, the doctors

used their instincts and from the reports of symptom improvement from their

patients determined if a " bit more " or a " bit less " of something would turn

the situation around. Amazing! Those doctors were true " healers " in my

book. Maybe they could not cure everybody, but their instincts certainly

worked better than lab reports! They at least gave adequate attention to

find relief for their patients pain and discomfort.

Today's doctors rely too much on lab results -- numbers. They are in too

big a hurry. While they may have a gut instinct that tells them what is

wrong and what to do about it, some drug company rep gets into his head

with some new way to get $$ from patients with some new

medications.... Poof! The doctor forgets about his instincts, follows

the lab study numbers, and does an inadequate job of treating the

patient. The patient is returning time and time again for relief of the

symptoms that could have been dealt with much easier and less

expensively. It starts in medical school and it never ends. Talk about

brain washing!

My doctor won't let the drug reps talk to him anymore because they are not

treating professionals, only sales staff. He tells them to leave their

brochures at the front desk and he will call them if he needs

anything. One rep tried to push his way ahead of me because he had another

call to make and was running late. I asked him if he was willing to

compensate me for the time I was going to have to wait while he talked

about drugs for a commission? He just smiled and said, " I don't think so,

lady. " At that point, the office nurse told him exactly what to do about

seeing the doctor, " just leave your information with me and if the doctor

wants to contact you, he will call you. Our patients take priority over

sales staff. Come right in, Dianne. "

Sheeesh! I don't seem to be able to get down off of the soapbox...

Dianne

[Guest guest]

Hi, Topper,

You are right. No single doctor could deal with the input from 20

patients. In the days before all of the sophisticated testing, the doctors

used their instincts and from the reports of symptom improvement from their

patients determined if a " bit more " or a " bit less " of something would turn

the situation around. Amazing! Those doctors were true " healers " in my

book. Maybe they could not cure everybody, but their instincts certainly

worked better than lab reports! They at least gave adequate attention to

find relief for their patients pain and discomfort.

Today's doctors rely too much on lab results -- numbers. They are in too

big a hurry. While they may have a gut instinct that tells them what is

wrong and what to do about it, some drug company rep gets into his head

with some new way to get $$ from patients with some new

medications.... Poof! The doctor forgets about his instincts, follows

the lab study numbers, and does an inadequate job of treating the

patient. The patient is returning time and time again for relief of the

symptoms that could have been dealt with much easier and less

expensively. It starts in medical school and it never ends. Talk about

brain washing!

My doctor won't let the drug reps talk to him anymore because they are not

treating professionals, only sales staff. He tells them to leave their

brochures at the front desk and he will call them if he needs

anything. One rep tried to push his way ahead of me because he had another

call to make and was running late. I asked him if he was willing to

compensate me for the time I was going to have to wait while he talked

about drugs for a commission? He just smiled and said, " I don't think so,

lady. " At that point, the office nurse told him exactly what to do about

seeing the doctor, " just leave your information with me and if the doctor

wants to contact you, he will call you. Our patients take priority over

sales staff. Come right in, Dianne. "

Sheeesh! I don't seem to be able to get down off of the soapbox...

Dianne

[Guest guest]

Good for both of you! AND your doc!!!

Topper ()

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:09:19 -0700 Dianne writes:

> anything. One rep tried to push his way ahead of me because he had

> another

> call to make and was running late. I asked him if he was willing to

> compensate me for the time I was going to have to wait while he

> talked

> about drugs for a commission? He just smiled and said, " I don't

> think so,

> lady. " At that point, the office nurse told him exactly what to do

> about

> seeing the doctor, " just leave your information with me and if the

> doctor

> wants to contact you, he will call you. Our patients take priority

> over

> sales staff. Come right in, Dianne. "

>

> Sheeesh! I don't seem to be able to get down off of the

> soapbox...

>

> Dianne

[Guest guest]

Good for both of you! AND your doc!!!

Topper ()

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 16:09:19 -0700 Dianne writes:

> anything. One rep tried to push his way ahead of me because he had

> another

> call to make and was running late. I asked him if he was willing to

> compensate me for the time I was going to have to wait while he

> talked

> about drugs for a commission? He just smiled and said, " I don't

> think so,

> lady. " At that point, the office nurse told him exactly what to do

> about

> seeing the doctor, " just leave your information with me and if the

> doctor

> wants to contact you, he will call you. Our patients take priority

> over

> sales staff. Come right in, Dianne. "

>

> Sheeesh! I don't seem to be able to get down off of the

> soapbox...

>

> Dianne

[Guest guest]

> > Sheeesh! I don't seem to be able to get down off of the

> > soapbox...

> >

> > Dianne

Dianne - see about having that soap box permanently attached...mine

is...I hardly even notice it there anymore...LOL

[Guest guest]

> > Sheeesh! I don't seem to be able to get down off of the

> > soapbox...

> >

> > Dianne

Dianne - see about having that soap box permanently attached...mine

is...I hardly even notice it there anymore...LOL

[Guest guest]

Oh yeah - I am getting over a head cold (cool - the physicians

assistant prescribed something for the congestion and she told me -

we don't want you to take it for more than 6 days cos it can affect

your thyroid and we don't want that to happen. That just blew me

away.)

BUT while I was leaving I saw a drug rep loading bags with samples

AND she also brought in cups of starbucks coffee. Reeks of bribery

you know.

Louise

> Hi, Topper,

>

> You are right. No single doctor could deal with the input

from 20

> patients. In the days before all of the sophisticated testing, the

doctors

> used their instincts and from the reports of symptom improvement

from their

> patients determined if a " bit more " or a " bit less " of something

would turn

> the situation around. Amazing! Those doctors were true " healers "

in my

> book. Maybe they could not cure everybody, but their instincts

certainly

> worked better than lab reports! They at least gave adequate

attention to

> find relief for their patients pain and discomfort.

>

> Today's doctors rely too much on lab results -- numbers.

They are in too

> big a hurry. While they may have a gut instinct that tells them

what is

> wrong and what to do about it, some drug company rep gets into his

head

> with some new way to get $$ from patients with some new

> medications.... Poof! The doctor forgets about his instincts,

follows

> the lab study numbers, and does an inadequate job of treating the

> patient. The patient is returning time and time again for relief

of the

> symptoms that could have been dealt with much easier and less

> expensively. It starts in medical school and it never ends. Talk

about

> brain washing!

>

> My doctor won't let the drug reps talk to him anymore because

they are not

> treating professionals, only sales staff. He tells them to leave

their

> brochures at the front desk and he will call them if he needs

> anything. One rep tried to push his way ahead of me because he had

another

> call to make and was running late. I asked him if he was willing

to

> compensate me for the time I was going to have to wait while he

talked

> about drugs for a commission? He just smiled and said, " I don't

think so,

> lady. " At that point, the office nurse told him exactly what to do

about

> seeing the doctor, " just leave your information with me and if the

doctor

> wants to contact you, he will call you. Our patients take priority

over

> sales staff. Come right in, Dianne. "

>

> Sheeesh! I don't seem to be able to get down off of the

soapbox...

>

> Dianne

[Guest guest]

Oh yeah - I am getting over a head cold (cool - the physicians

assistant prescribed something for the congestion and she told me -

we don't want you to take it for more than 6 days cos it can affect

your thyroid and we don't want that to happen. That just blew me

away.)

BUT while I was leaving I saw a drug rep loading bags with samples

AND she also brought in cups of starbucks coffee. Reeks of bribery

you know.

Louise

> Hi, Topper,

>

> You are right. No single doctor could deal with the input

from 20

> patients. In the days before all of the sophisticated testing, the

doctors

> used their instincts and from the reports of symptom improvement

from their

> patients determined if a " bit more " or a " bit less " of something

would turn

> the situation around. Amazing! Those doctors were true " healers "

in my

> book. Maybe they could not cure everybody, but their instincts

certainly

> worked better than lab reports! They at least gave adequate

attention to

> find relief for their patients pain and discomfort.

>

> Today's doctors rely too much on lab results -- numbers.

They are in too

> big a hurry. While they may have a gut instinct that tells them

what is

> wrong and what to do about it, some drug company rep gets into his

head

> with some new way to get $$ from patients with some new

> medications.... Poof! The doctor forgets about his instincts,

follows

> the lab study numbers, and does an inadequate job of treating the

> patient. The patient is returning time and time again for relief

of the

> symptoms that could have been dealt with much easier and less

> expensively. It starts in medical school and it never ends. Talk

about

> brain washing!

>

> My doctor won't let the drug reps talk to him anymore because

they are not

> treating professionals, only sales staff. He tells them to leave

their

> brochures at the front desk and he will call them if he needs

> anything. One rep tried to push his way ahead of me because he had

another

> call to make and was running late. I asked him if he was willing

to

> compensate me for the time I was going to have to wait while he

talked

> about drugs for a commission? He just smiled and said, " I don't

think so,

> lady. " At that point, the office nurse told him exactly what to do

about

> seeing the doctor, " just leave your information with me and if the

doctor

> wants to contact you, he will call you. Our patients take priority

over

> sales staff. Come right in, Dianne. "

>

> Sheeesh! I don't seem to be able to get down off of the

soapbox...

>

> Dianne