Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 And just to cover all bases, a low Ferritin level can also cause the extra palps and inability to raise the Armour. Check that, too. But it does sound like you need adrenal support. Also, make sure you are taking your Armour in divided doses, not all at once. And don't take the divided doses past mid-afternoon or so. See if that also helps. Janie > > I started on 60mg Armour in late October, had another blood > > test in November and then put on 90mg ARmour. The past few > > days I have been feeling terrible having heart palps. Today > > only took half of Armour and probable will skip the last > > half. My heartbeat is shadow and fast. Last night I did not > > sleep so in the morning I am calling my doctor hoping to get > > in or at least hope I can talk to the doctor. Is this > > telling me that I need something to go with the Armour maybe > > to help adrenal support? Its taken about 2 months for me to > > get to this point. Would like some suggestions on whats > > happening and what I can do so I can sleep tonight. > > > > thanks > > /Wa > > > Absolutely you need adrenal support..this same thing happened when my > son went from 60mg Armour to 90 mg. it was no longer working well > for him and he became exhausted and had heart palps...the doctor > immediately suspectd adrenal fatigue, which often shows itslef when > you raise your Armour dose as a counter balance of sorts...he had an > adrenal fucntion test and sure enough his adrenals are not only > fatigued, but exhaustd. Dr. took him off Armour completely, put him > on Cortef and started him back on Armour at 1 grain a week > later....this was back in November...he stays with his Cortef and > Armour at 1 grain right now...will be reassessing in another month. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 For those who are new to our list, and/or new to natural thyroid hormones: 1) Armour Natural Thyroid is the most well known and oldest on the market. There is also Westhroid, Naturethroid, Biothroid (when it ever comes back), and prescription generic Thyroid. All come from pigs. They contain the same hormones that your own thyroid would produce--T4, T3, T2, T1 and calcitonin. They meet the stringent guidelines of the US Pharmacopeia and are approved by the FDA. (Some folks wonder if the generic is less potent.) 2) There is also OTC natural thyroid, such as Nutri-Meds and others These are not regulated, and the potency may be less than Armour and others, so you may have to take more than the FDA-approved brands for the same effect. 3) The most effective and direct way to take Natural Thyroid is sublingually. i.e. you place the tablet between your gums and inner check, or where the least amount of saliva is in your mouth, and forget about it. Either way, it is absorbed by the millions of capillaries that line your inner mouth--taking the hormones straight to your blood, bypassing the stomach and liver. Armour has a touch of sucrose in it, making it more palatible. Natural Thyroid meds CAN be swallowed, of course, but it will be important to avoid iron and calcium supplements at the same time, since both bind the thyroid hormones to some degree. Estrogen also does the same. 4) Divide your optimal dose to at least twice a day, if not more. It contains T3, which is short-lived, and peaks about 2 hours after you take it. An example is taking 1/2 in the morning, and the other 1/2 in the early afternoon. Some folks dose 3-5 times a day. Experiment to find what is best for you. 5) Before labs were developed, doctors treated patients solely by symptoms....and successfully. The minimum optimal amount of Armour was 3 grains and more. This is still an ideal way to treat---by symptoms. But in today's world, labs play a huge role in treatment. Top docs in the thyroid field are recommending that your free T3 be in the upper part of the range, if not slightly above. But you have to figure out where it is great for you, based on symptoms. When you get your free T3 at the top, you will often have a TSH quite low. Many of us on an optimal dose (i.e. a dose which eliminates symptoms) have a TSH at one and LESS. The TSH is less important once you start treatment, and just because one's TSH can get lower than 1 while getting the free T3 up there, does NOT mean you have become hyper. Many docs are uninformed about this, so be prepared. 6) Armour et. al is bar-none superior to T4-only meds treatment (Synthroid, Levoxyl, etc) because it is natural (your body accepts most ALL of it), it contains T3 (the most active hormone and necessary for every cell in your body), and it also contains T2, T1 and calcitonin. T2 has some role in metabolism. Calcitonin keeps the calcium in your bones, and certain docs have noticed improvement in bone density with folks on natural thyroid. 7) Most docs are ignorant about the efficacy and safety of natural thyroid. If you want to find a smart doc, check out the Top Doc lists in the LINKS section of this site for your area, and read all entries. When one looks promising, CALL and make sure this doc prescribes Armour REGULARLY, checks the FREE's, and pays attention to SYMPTOMS over labs. Another option is to visit a large pharmacy in your area and ask the pharmacist if anyone prescribes Armour. And note that it is not uncommon to drive great distances to find a knowledgeable doc. 8) It is not uncommon to discover that you need more Armour than you realize. An amount that gives you excellent energy may not be quite enough to stop hair loss, etc. Or vice versa. 9) Often, there are other areas that need assistance when you are treating yourself with Armour. That may include adrenal support, DHEA, testosterone, iron supplementation, female hormones......you have to find out your own individual needs. 10) Take a Selenium tablet with your thyroid. Helps with the T4 to T3 conversion. L-Tyrosine helps, too. There are many other supplements we are all taking. Check out the supplement recommendations in the FILES section of this site. 11) If you are able to buy a large quantity of Armour, keep it the freezer or refrig to preserve it's potency, pouring out about 1-2 months at a time. 12) And finally, if you find you have to self-treat, be prudent and wise. Some start on one grain, and let that stand for a few weeks before raising. The T3 is potent. If you have any heart issues, the T3 can initially aggravate palps. Some folks also need to be on good adrenal support for a few weeks before they can even tolerate T3. Again, the bottom line is wisdom, being prudent, and patience. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 Wow..that is a lot to absorb...I am saving this to re-read. Thanks for posting! Loriann In a message dated 1/28/04 7:50:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, usns@... writes: > For those who are new to our list, and/or new to natural thyroid > hormones: > > 1) Armour Natural Thyroid is the most well known and oldest on the > market. There is also Westhroid, Naturethroid, Biothroid (when it > ever comes back), and prescription generic Thyroid. All come from > pigs. They contain the same hormones that your own thyroid would > produce--T4, T3, T2, T1 and calcitonin. They meet the stringent > guidelines of the US Pharmacopeia and are approved by the FDA. > > (Some folks wonder if the generic is less potent.) > > 2) There is also OTC natural thyroid, such as Nutri-Meds and others > These are not regulated, and the potency may be less than Armour and > others, so you may have to take more than the FDA-approved brands > for the same effect. > > 3) The most effective and direct way to take Natural Thyroid is > sublingually. i.e. you place the tablet between your gums and inner > check, or where the least amount of saliva is in your mouth, and > forget about it. Either way, it is absorbed by the millions of > capillaries that line your inner mouth--taking the hormones straight > to your blood, bypassing the stomach and liver. Armour has a touch > of sucrose in it, making it more palatible. > > Natural Thyroid meds CAN be swallowed, of course, but it will be > important to avoid iron and calcium supplements at the same time, > since both bind the thyroid hormones to some degree. Estrogen also > does the same. > > 4) Divide your optimal dose to at least twice a day, if not more. It > contains T3, which is short-lived, and peaks about 2 hours after you > take it. An example is taking 1/2 in the morning, and the other 1/2 > in the early afternoon. Some folks dose 3-5 times a day. Experiment > to find what is best for you. > > 5) Before labs were developed, doctors treated patients solely by > symptoms....and successfully. The minimum optimal amount of Armour > was 3 grains and more. This is still an ideal way to treat---by > symptoms. But in today's world, labs play a huge role in treatment. > Top docs in the thyroid field are recommending that your free T3 be > in the upper part of the range, if not slightly above. But you have > to figure out where it is great for you, based on symptoms. When you > get your free T3 at the top, you will often have a TSH quite low. > Many of us on an optimal dose (i.e. a dose which eliminates > symptoms) have a TSH at one and LESS. The TSH is less important once > you start treatment, and just because one's TSH can get lower than 1 > while getting the free T3 up there, does NOT mean you have become > hyper. Many docs are uninformed about this, so be prepared. > > 6) Armour et. al is bar-none superior to T4-only meds treatment > (Synthroid, Levoxyl, etc) because it is natural (your body accepts > most ALL of it), it contains T3 (the most active hormone and > necessary for every cell in your body), and it also contains T2, T1 > and calcitonin. T2 has some role in metabolism. Calcitonin keeps the > calcium in your bones, and certain docs have noticed improvement in > bone density with folks on natural thyroid. > > 7) Most docs are ignorant about the efficacy and safety of natural > thyroid. If you want to find a smart doc, check out the Top Doc > lists in the LINKS section of this site for your area, and read all > entries. When one looks promising, CALL and make sure this doc > prescribes Armour REGULARLY, checks the FREE's, and pays attention > to SYMPTOMS over labs. > > Another option is to visit a large pharmacy in your area and ask the > pharmacist if anyone prescribes Armour. And note that it is not > uncommon to drive great distances to find a knowledgeable doc. > > 8) It is not uncommon to discover that you need more Armour than you > realize. An amount that gives you excellent energy may not be quite > enough to stop hair loss, etc. Or vice versa. > > 9) Often, there are other areas that need assistance when you are > treating yourself with Armour. That may include adrenal support, > DHEA, testosterone, iron supplementation, female hormones......you > have to find out your own individual needs. > > 10) Take a Selenium tablet with your thyroid. Helps with the T4 to T3 > conversion. L-Tyrosine helps, too. There are many other supplements > we are all taking. Check out the supplement recommendations in the > FILES section of this site. > > 11) If you are able to buy a large quantity of Armour, keep it the > freezer or refrig to preserve it's potency, pouring out > about 1-2 months at a time. > > 12) And finally, if you find you have to self-treat, be prudent and > wise. Some start on one grain, and let that stand for a few weeks > before raising. The T3 is potent. If you have any heart issues, the > T3 can initially aggravate palps. Some folks also need to be on good > adrenal support for a few weeks before they can even tolerate T3. > Again, the bottom line is wisdom, being prudent, and patience. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 Wow..that is a lot to absorb...I am saving this to re-read. Thanks for posting! Loriann In a message dated 1/28/04 7:50:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, usns@... writes: > For those who are new to our list, and/or new to natural thyroid > hormones: > > 1) Armour Natural Thyroid is the most well known and oldest on the > market. There is also Westhroid, Naturethroid, Biothroid (when it > ever comes back), and prescription generic Thyroid. All come from > pigs. They contain the same hormones that your own thyroid would > produce--T4, T3, T2, T1 and calcitonin. They meet the stringent > guidelines of the US Pharmacopeia and are approved by the FDA. > > (Some folks wonder if the generic is less potent.) > > 2) There is also OTC natural thyroid, such as Nutri-Meds and others > These are not regulated, and the potency may be less than Armour and > others, so you may have to take more than the FDA-approved brands > for the same effect. > > 3) The most effective and direct way to take Natural Thyroid is > sublingually. i.e. you place the tablet between your gums and inner > check, or where the least amount of saliva is in your mouth, and > forget about it. Either way, it is absorbed by the millions of > capillaries that line your inner mouth--taking the hormones straight > to your blood, bypassing the stomach and liver. Armour has a touch > of sucrose in it, making it more palatible. > > Natural Thyroid meds CAN be swallowed, of course, but it will be > important to avoid iron and calcium supplements at the same time, > since both bind the thyroid hormones to some degree. Estrogen also > does the same. > > 4) Divide your optimal dose to at least twice a day, if not more. It > contains T3, which is short-lived, and peaks about 2 hours after you > take it. An example is taking 1/2 in the morning, and the other 1/2 > in the early afternoon. Some folks dose 3-5 times a day. Experiment > to find what is best for you. > > 5) Before labs were developed, doctors treated patients solely by > symptoms....and successfully. The minimum optimal amount of Armour > was 3 grains and more. This is still an ideal way to treat---by > symptoms. But in today's world, labs play a huge role in treatment. > Top docs in the thyroid field are recommending that your free T3 be > in the upper part of the range, if not slightly above. But you have > to figure out where it is great for you, based on symptoms. When you > get your free T3 at the top, you will often have a TSH quite low. > Many of us on an optimal dose (i.e. a dose which eliminates > symptoms) have a TSH at one and LESS. The TSH is less important once > you start treatment, and just because one's TSH can get lower than 1 > while getting the free T3 up there, does NOT mean you have become > hyper. Many docs are uninformed about this, so be prepared. > > 6) Armour et. al is bar-none superior to T4-only meds treatment > (Synthroid, Levoxyl, etc) because it is natural (your body accepts > most ALL of it), it contains T3 (the most active hormone and > necessary for every cell in your body), and it also contains T2, T1 > and calcitonin. T2 has some role in metabolism. Calcitonin keeps the > calcium in your bones, and certain docs have noticed improvement in > bone density with folks on natural thyroid. > > 7) Most docs are ignorant about the efficacy and safety of natural > thyroid. If you want to find a smart doc, check out the Top Doc > lists in the LINKS section of this site for your area, and read all > entries. When one looks promising, CALL and make sure this doc > prescribes Armour REGULARLY, checks the FREE's, and pays attention > to SYMPTOMS over labs. > > Another option is to visit a large pharmacy in your area and ask the > pharmacist if anyone prescribes Armour. And note that it is not > uncommon to drive great distances to find a knowledgeable doc. > > 8) It is not uncommon to discover that you need more Armour than you > realize. An amount that gives you excellent energy may not be quite > enough to stop hair loss, etc. Or vice versa. > > 9) Often, there are other areas that need assistance when you are > treating yourself with Armour. That may include adrenal support, > DHEA, testosterone, iron supplementation, female hormones......you > have to find out your own individual needs. > > 10) Take a Selenium tablet with your thyroid. Helps with the T4 to T3 > conversion. L-Tyrosine helps, too. There are many other supplements > we are all taking. Check out the supplement recommendations in the > FILES section of this site. > > 11) If you are able to buy a large quantity of Armour, keep it the > freezer or refrig to preserve it's potency, pouring out > about 1-2 months at a time. > > 12) And finally, if you find you have to self-treat, be prudent and > wise. Some start on one grain, and let that stand for a few weeks > before raising. The T3 is potent. If you have any heart issues, the > T3 can initially aggravate palps. Some folks also need to be on good > adrenal support for a few weeks before they can even tolerate T3. > Again, the bottom line is wisdom, being prudent, and patience. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 28, 2004 Report Share Posted January 28, 2004 Wow..that is a lot to absorb...I am saving this to re-read. Thanks for posting! Loriann In a message dated 1/28/04 7:50:38 PM Eastern Standard Time, usns@... writes: > For those who are new to our list, and/or new to natural thyroid > hormones: > > 1) Armour Natural Thyroid is the most well known and oldest on the > market. There is also Westhroid, Naturethroid, Biothroid (when it > ever comes back), and prescription generic Thyroid. All come from > pigs. They contain the same hormones that your own thyroid would > produce--T4, T3, T2, T1 and calcitonin. They meet the stringent > guidelines of the US Pharmacopeia and are approved by the FDA. > > (Some folks wonder if the generic is less potent.) > > 2) There is also OTC natural thyroid, such as Nutri-Meds and others > These are not regulated, and the potency may be less than Armour and > others, so you may have to take more than the FDA-approved brands > for the same effect. > > 3) The most effective and direct way to take Natural Thyroid is > sublingually. i.e. you place the tablet between your gums and inner > check, or where the least amount of saliva is in your mouth, and > forget about it. Either way, it is absorbed by the millions of > capillaries that line your inner mouth--taking the hormones straight > to your blood, bypassing the stomach and liver. Armour has a touch > of sucrose in it, making it more palatible. > > Natural Thyroid meds CAN be swallowed, of course, but it will be > important to avoid iron and calcium supplements at the same time, > since both bind the thyroid hormones to some degree. Estrogen also > does the same. > > 4) Divide your optimal dose to at least twice a day, if not more. It > contains T3, which is short-lived, and peaks about 2 hours after you > take it. An example is taking 1/2 in the morning, and the other 1/2 > in the early afternoon. Some folks dose 3-5 times a day. Experiment > to find what is best for you. > > 5) Before labs were developed, doctors treated patients solely by > symptoms....and successfully. The minimum optimal amount of Armour > was 3 grains and more. This is still an ideal way to treat---by > symptoms. But in today's world, labs play a huge role in treatment. > Top docs in the thyroid field are recommending that your free T3 be > in the upper part of the range, if not slightly above. But you have > to figure out where it is great for you, based on symptoms. When you > get your free T3 at the top, you will often have a TSH quite low. > Many of us on an optimal dose (i.e. a dose which eliminates > symptoms) have a TSH at one and LESS. The TSH is less important once > you start treatment, and just because one's TSH can get lower than 1 > while getting the free T3 up there, does NOT mean you have become > hyper. Many docs are uninformed about this, so be prepared. > > 6) Armour et. al is bar-none superior to T4-only meds treatment > (Synthroid, Levoxyl, etc) because it is natural (your body accepts > most ALL of it), it contains T3 (the most active hormone and > necessary for every cell in your body), and it also contains T2, T1 > and calcitonin. T2 has some role in metabolism. Calcitonin keeps the > calcium in your bones, and certain docs have noticed improvement in > bone density with folks on natural thyroid. > > 7) Most docs are ignorant about the efficacy and safety of natural > thyroid. If you want to find a smart doc, check out the Top Doc > lists in the LINKS section of this site for your area, and read all > entries. When one looks promising, CALL and make sure this doc > prescribes Armour REGULARLY, checks the FREE's, and pays attention > to SYMPTOMS over labs. > > Another option is to visit a large pharmacy in your area and ask the > pharmacist if anyone prescribes Armour. And note that it is not > uncommon to drive great distances to find a knowledgeable doc. > > 8) It is not uncommon to discover that you need more Armour than you > realize. An amount that gives you excellent energy may not be quite > enough to stop hair loss, etc. Or vice versa. > > 9) Often, there are other areas that need assistance when you are > treating yourself with Armour. That may include adrenal support, > DHEA, testosterone, iron supplementation, female hormones......you > have to find out your own individual needs. > > 10) Take a Selenium tablet with your thyroid. Helps with the T4 to T3 > conversion. L-Tyrosine helps, too. There are many other supplements > we are all taking. Check out the supplement recommendations in the > FILES section of this site. > > 11) If you are able to buy a large quantity of Armour, keep it the > freezer or refrig to preserve it's potency, pouring out > about 1-2 months at a time. > > 12) And finally, if you find you have to self-treat, be prudent and > wise. Some start on one grain, and let that stand for a few weeks > before raising. The T3 is potent. If you have any heart issues, the > T3 can initially aggravate palps. Some folks also need to be on good > adrenal support for a few weeks before they can even tolerate T3. > Again, the bottom line is wisdom, being prudent, and patience. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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