NATURAL THYROID 101

January 16, 2004

Topper or ,not sure who wrote it.

Must be extra dense this morning. I don't understand this.

Shirley

-- In NaturalThyroidHormones , topper2@j>

.

In the past, 98.0 meant VERY sick. So there was something else going

on with me...

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January 21, 2004

If you are treating by the clinical signs, what roll does basal temp

play? Do you up the meds if the temp is normal but your still haveing

other symptoms? I'm wondering because, if you do seems like your temp

may get above normal. Would that cause problems? Or do you just base

meds on basal temp?

Also, someone mentioned having trouble finding a glass thermometer. I

have a BD digital basal. I think it's used by women on the rythm method

of birth control to determine monthly ovulation. Is that not accurate

enough? I have troboule reading the glass ones.

Thanks

January 21, 2004

If your metabolism and body are out of whack due to insufficient meds

your body temp does not get up to normal because of that.... when the

meds are getting sufficient to get the body up to normal temps you have

addressed one of the symptoms of under medicating or unmedicated hypo

thyroid... once that symptom is taken care of and your body is able to

maintain a healthy, normal temp and you still have other symptoms that

are still in need of more hormone.. the addition will not cause the basal

temp to go above normal... you are simply suffering from additional

symptoms that still require additional hormone for your body to be able

to deal with that symptom...

A VERY good question!

I hope my answer was able to make that more understandable....

Oh.. one thing with basal temp.. it's also a good guideline for how your

metabolic rate is... if your metabolic rate is below normal.. that is

often reflected in a low basal temp... The higher your basal temp the

more calories your are burning.. which makes weight gains decrease and

make it easier to lose weight once you get all the other things

straightened out.

Topper ()

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 08:25:12 -0600 Debbie K

writes:

> If you are treating by the clinical signs, what roll does basal temp

> play? Do you up the meds if the temp is normal but your still

> haveing

> other symptoms? I'm wondering because, if you do seems like your

> temp

> may get above normal. Would that cause problems? Or do you just

> base

> meds on basal temp?

>

> Also, someone mentioned having trouble finding a glass thermometer.

> I

> have a BD digital basal. I think it's used by women on the rythm

> method

> of birth control to determine monthly ovulation. Is that not

> accurate

> enough? I have troboule reading the glass ones.

>

> Thanks

January 21, 2004

> If your metabolism and body are out of whack due to insufficient

meds

> your body temp does not get up to normal because of that.... when

the

> meds are getting sufficient to get the body up to normal temps you

have

> addressed one of the symptoms of under medicating or unmedicated

hypo

> thyroid... once that symptom is taken care of and your body is able

to

> maintain a healthy, normal temp and you still have other symptoms

that

> are still in need of more hormone.. the addition will not cause the

basal

> temp to go above normal... you are simply suffering from additional

> symptoms that still require additional hormone for your body to be

able

> to deal with that symptom...

My temp stayed stubbornly at 97.1 after about 8 years at 4 grains

Armour and about 9 years on Armour in all....just recently since I've

been using Cortef has my temp gone up to 98.2 or 98.3 consistently.

In the past, 98.0 meant VERY sick. So there was something else going

on with me...in addition to getting rid of my chronic fatigue which

has just recently been accomplished (19 years of it)...but I have to

say, I didn't, and people will not, feel totally optimal without

reaching that magic temp...I really believe so many of our

physiological systems are dependent upon that magic number for our

bodies to work properly (including proper metabolism, as Janie says)

and for homeostasis to be reached.

January 21, 2004

> Topper or ,not sure who wrote it.

> Must be extra dense this morning. I don't understand this.

> Shirley

>

> -- In NaturalThyroidHormones , topper2@j>

>

> .

> In the past, 98.0 meant VERY sick. So there was something else

going

> on with me...

Oh sorry in the past, when my temp would reach 98. it was

equal probably to at least 101 with a normal person...it only

happened when I was VERY sick!

January 21, 2004

> Hello. I'm new to the group and just read the post regarding ins

and outs. I have a question. What is a " grain " ? I take (2) 120 mg.

of Armour Thyroid Tabs daily. I have been taking both at the same

time. After reading the post, I'm going to start breaking the

doseage up to twice a day. We are in the process of getting my

levels up. I was at the physician yesterday, and she said they were

extremely low. I had a blood test and will be back to see her in

three weeks. I just want to make sure I'm taking the right stuff.

It took me years to get them to give me something other than

Synthroid! Thanks for any help! Lynn...

A grain is 60mg. - so 120 mg is 2 grains and you take 4 grains (like

me!) I take mine all at the same time in the AM upon rising.

January 21, 2004

Well, when you stop and think about it, what do our bodies do to fight

illness? They try to get our temps to a bit over 100 to kill the bugs...

when we can't produce those temps and it's a struggle for our body to get

a 'fever' up to 98.. think how much more difficult a time our bodies are

having to fight illness.... Bad immune systems to begin with and one of

the biggest combatants against illness, a fever, we can't even do!

And this bull tweat some docs give.. Oh, your body temp is normally that

low... Oh? We get different bugs then everyone else? Our bodies don't

have to fight the same cold or flu bugs that everyone else does?

I went my entire life with a temp that NEVER went over 97 unless I was

sick.. even when I was hyper.. I was pumping out enough heat that people

near me could feel the heat coming off of me.. yet my body temp stayed at

97.... If I hit a temp of 99 I was deathly ill.... My mom had been the

same way ALL of my life. Going to the doc with mom every week for years

after her brain surgery.. they would take her temp, it was between 96 and

97.. everyone made a joke of it.. 'she's a cool cookie' No one every

addressed it as being a problem.....

arrrrgggghh.... I'm thinking of all the misery my mom went through for

all of those years.. I honestly believe that she was undiagnosed hypo and

was never, ever medicated or tested (or if she was tested they did the

'oh, it's under 5.0, she's normal)....

See... my mom ended up a carb addict.. she lived on three things..

Peanuts. Donuts and coffee was mostly milk and sugar.... she didn't want

meat, she didnt' want anything that required chewing... she had skinny

chicken legs and arms and looked like she was in her 12th month of

carrying full size triplets... and all the docs said that it was because

she wasn't able to move around like she did before the brain surgery that

saved her life....

...... can you tell I'm not real fond of doctors?

Topper ()

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 16:10:31 -0000 " astrodiana "

writes:

>

> > If your metabolism and body are out of whack due to insufficient

> meds

> > your body temp does not get up to normal because of that.... when

> the

> > meds are getting sufficient to get the body up to normal temps you

> have

> > addressed one of the symptoms of under medicating or unmedicated

> hypo

> > thyroid... once that symptom is taken care of and your body is

> able to

> > maintain a healthy, normal temp and you still have other symptoms

> that are still in need of more hormone.. the addition will not cause

> the basal

> > temp to go above normal... you are simply suffering from additional

> > symptoms that still require additional hormone for your body to be

> able to deal with that symptom...

> My temp stayed stubbornly at 97.1 after about 8 years at 4 grains

> Armour and about 9 years on Armour in all....just recently since I've

> been using Cortef has my temp gone up to 98.2 or 98.3 consistently.

> In the past, 98.0 meant VERY sick. So there was something else

> going

> on with me...in addition to getting rid of my chronic fatigue which

> has just recently been accomplished (19 years of it)...but I have to

> say, I didn't, and people will not, feel totally optimal without

> reaching that magic temp...I really believe so many of our

> physiological systems are dependent upon that magic number for our

> bodies to work properly (including proper metabolism, as Janie says)

> and for homeostasis to be reached.

January 21, 2004

I have always been taught that once your basal temp hits 98.0 you are on enough

meds. If you are still having symptoms you may have a problem converting. If

you find that your basal temp is raising about 98.0 you most likely are on too

much and are slowly sending yourself into hyper. Your temperature plays a very

important role in all of this.

Broda calls for a glass thermometer. I didn't have a problem finding one

at all...maybe if you call around. Mine isn't mercury though.

When we bought this old house (115 years old) the entire estate was left

here...and you guessed it...a mercury thermometer in it's original case with

paper work and everything was here. I am going to compare the two and let you

know if there is any difference.

Hugs...PattiSue

RE: NATURAL THYROID 101

If you are treating by the clinical signs, what roll does basal temp

play? Do you up the meds if the temp is normal but your still haveing

other symptoms? I'm wondering because, if you do seems like your temp

may get above normal. Would that cause problems? Or do you just base

meds on basal temp?

Also, someone mentioned having trouble finding a glass thermometer. I

have a BD digital basal. I think it's used by women on the rythm method

of birth control to determine monthly ovulation. Is that not accurate

enough? I have troboule reading the glass ones.

Thanks

January 21, 2004

I started on 60mg Armour in late October, had another blood

test in November and then put on 90mg ARmour. The past few

days I have been feeling terrible having heart palps. Today

only took half of Armour and probable will skip the last

half. My heartbeat is shadow and fast. Last night I did not

sleep so in the morning I am calling my doctor hoping to get

in or at least hope I can talk to the doctor. Is this

telling me that I need something to go with the Armour maybe

to help adrenal support? Its taken about 2 months for me to

get to this point. Would like some suggestions on whats

happening and what I can do so I can sleep tonight.

thanks

/Wa

January 21, 2004

I started on 60mg Armour in late October, had another blood

test in November and then put on 90mg ARmour. The past few

days I have been feeling terrible having heart palps. Today

only took half of Armour and probable will skip the last

half. My heartbeat is shadow and fast. Last night I did not

sleep so in the morning I am calling my doctor hoping to get

in or at least hope I can talk to the doctor. Is this

telling me that I need something to go with the Armour maybe

to help adrenal support? Its taken about 2 months for me to

get to this point. Would like some suggestions on whats

happening and what I can do so I can sleep tonight.

thanks

/Wa

January 22, 2004

I went into hyper storm and my temp never went up over 98 point

something.... and went I recently went hyper when I upped my dose too

much I never went over 98.5....

Topper ()

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:02:53 -0500 " VITO LABELLARTE "

writes:

> I have always been taught that once your basal temp hits 98.0 you are

> on enough meds. If you are still having symptoms you may have a

> problem converting. If you find that your basal temp is raising

> about 98.0 you most likely are on too much and are slowly sending

> yourself into hyper. Your temperature plays a very important role

> in all of this.

> Broda calls for a glass thermometer. I didn't have a problem

> finding one at all...maybe if you call around. Mine isn't mercury

> though.

> When we bought this old house (115 years old) the entire estate was

> left here...and you guessed it...a mercury thermometer in it's

> original case with paper work and everything was here. I am going

> to compare the two and let you know if there is any difference.

> Hugs...PattiSue

January 22, 2004

I went into hyper storm and my temp never went up over 98 point

something.... and went I recently went hyper when I upped my dose too

much I never went over 98.5....

Topper ()

On Wed, 21 Jan 2004 22:02:53 -0500 " VITO LABELLARTE "

writes:

> I have always been taught that once your basal temp hits 98.0 you are

> on enough meds. If you are still having symptoms you may have a

> problem converting. If you find that your basal temp is raising

> about 98.0 you most likely are on too much and are slowly sending

> yourself into hyper. Your temperature plays a very important role

> in all of this.

> Broda calls for a glass thermometer. I didn't have a problem

> finding one at all...maybe if you call around. Mine isn't mercury

> though.

> When we bought this old house (115 years old) the entire estate was

> left here...and you guessed it...a mercury thermometer in it's

> original case with paper work and everything was here. I am going

> to compare the two and let you know if there is any difference.

> Hugs...PattiSue

January 22, 2004

>

> I started on 60mg Armour in late October, had another blood

> test in November and then put on 90mg ARmour. The past few

> days I have been feeling terrible having heart palps. Today

> only took half of Armour and probable will skip the last

> half. My heartbeat is shadow and fast. Last night I did not

> sleep so in the morning I am calling my doctor hoping to get

> in or at least hope I can talk to the doctor. Is this

> telling me that I need something to go with the Armour maybe

> to help adrenal support? Its taken about 2 months for me to

> get to this point. Would like some suggestions on whats

> happening and what I can do so I can sleep tonight.

>

> thanks

> /Wa

Absolutely you need adrenal support..this same thing happened when my

son went from 60mg Armour to 90 mg. it was no longer working well

for him and he became exhausted and had heart palps...the doctor

immediately suspectd adrenal fatigue, which often shows itslef when

you raise your Armour dose as a counter balance of sorts...he had an

adrenal fucntion test and sure enough his adrenals are not only

fatigued, but exhaustd. Dr. took him off Armour completely, put him

on Cortef and started him back on Armour at 1 grain a week

later....this was back in November...he stays with his Cortef and

Armour at 1 grain right now...will be reassessing in another month.

January 22, 2004

>

> I started on 60mg Armour in late October, had another blood

> test in November and then put on 90mg ARmour. The past few

> days I have been feeling terrible having heart palps. Today

> only took half of Armour and probable will skip the last

> half. My heartbeat is shadow and fast. Last night I did not

> sleep so in the morning I am calling my doctor hoping to get

> in or at least hope I can talk to the doctor. Is this

> telling me that I need something to go with the Armour maybe

> to help adrenal support? Its taken about 2 months for me to

> get to this point. Would like some suggestions on whats

> happening and what I can do so I can sleep tonight.

>

> thanks

> /Wa

Absolutely you need adrenal support..this same thing happened when my

son went from 60mg Armour to 90 mg. it was no longer working well

for him and he became exhausted and had heart palps...the doctor

immediately suspectd adrenal fatigue, which often shows itslef when

you raise your Armour dose as a counter balance of sorts...he had an

adrenal fucntion test and sure enough his adrenals are not only

fatigued, but exhaustd. Dr. took him off Armour completely, put him

on Cortef and started him back on Armour at 1 grain a week

later....this was back in November...he stays with his Cortef and

Armour at 1 grain right now...will be reassessing in another month.

January 22, 2004

Hi Diane,

Thanks for the help, now do I tell the doctor when I call

her this morning to give me something for the adrenals or

just see what she has to say about how I am feeling? Also

what do you think about me taking todays 1/2 dose of Armour

this morning or should I be skipping it until I talk to the

doctor?

Way back in October when I started going to this new doctor

I asked her to check my Adrenals but she wanted to wait. I

sure hope she will do it now. Do you think if I were to take

Selenium and/or L-Tyrosine would help?

Thanks again for your help

January 22, 2004

Hi Diane,

Thanks for the help, now do I tell the doctor when I call

her this morning to give me something for the adrenals or

just see what she has to say about how I am feeling? Also

what do you think about me taking todays 1/2 dose of Armour

this morning or should I be skipping it until I talk to the

doctor?

Way back in October when I started going to this new doctor

I asked her to check my Adrenals but she wanted to wait. I

sure hope she will do it now. Do you think if I were to take

Selenium and/or L-Tyrosine would help?

Thanks again for your help

January 22, 2004

, Sounds like your sons doc is really ontop of things. May I have his

name and info for my top doc files. This info is used on a daily basis to help

ladies.

Thanks Patti

Re: NATURAL THYROID 101

>

> I started on 60mg Armour in late October, had another blood

> test in November and then put on 90mg ARmour. The past few

> days I have been feeling terrible having heart palps. Today

> only took half of Armour and probable will skip the last

> half. My heartbeat is shadow and fast. Last night I did not

> sleep so in the morning I am calling my doctor hoping to get

> in or at least hope I can talk to the doctor. Is this

> telling me that I need something to go with the Armour maybe

> to help adrenal support? Its taken about 2 months for me to

> get to this point. Would like some suggestions on whats

> happening and what I can do so I can sleep tonight.

>

> thanks

> /Wa

Absolutely you need adrenal support..this same thing happened when my

son went from 60mg Armour to 90 mg. it was no longer working well

for him and he became exhausted and had heart palps...the doctor

immediately suspectd adrenal fatigue, which often shows itslef when

you raise your Armour dose as a counter balance of sorts...he had an

adrenal fucntion test and sure enough his adrenals are not only

fatigued, but exhaustd. Dr. took him off Armour completely, put him

on Cortef and started him back on Armour at 1 grain a week

later....this was back in November...he stays with his Cortef and

Armour at 1 grain right now...will be reassessing in another month.

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January 22, 2004

, Sounds like your sons doc is really ontop of things. May I have his

name and info for my top doc files. This info is used on a daily basis to help

ladies.

Thanks Patti

Re: NATURAL THYROID 101

>

> I started on 60mg Armour in late October, had another blood

> test in November and then put on 90mg ARmour. The past few

> days I have been feeling terrible having heart palps. Today

> only took half of Armour and probable will skip the last

> half. My heartbeat is shadow and fast. Last night I did not

> sleep so in the morning I am calling my doctor hoping to get

> in or at least hope I can talk to the doctor. Is this

> telling me that I need something to go with the Armour maybe

> to help adrenal support? Its taken about 2 months for me to

> get to this point. Would like some suggestions on whats

> happening and what I can do so I can sleep tonight.

>

> thanks

> /Wa

Absolutely you need adrenal support..this same thing happened when my

son went from 60mg Armour to 90 mg. it was no longer working well

for him and he became exhausted and had heart palps...the doctor

immediately suspectd adrenal fatigue, which often shows itslef when

you raise your Armour dose as a counter balance of sorts...he had an

adrenal fucntion test and sure enough his adrenals are not only

fatigued, but exhaustd. Dr. took him off Armour completely, put him

on Cortef and started him back on Armour at 1 grain a week

later....this was back in November...he stays with his Cortef and

Armour at 1 grain right now...will be reassessing in another month.

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January 22, 2004

>

> Hi Diane,

>

> Thanks for the help, now do I tell the doctor when I call

> her this morning to give me something for the adrenals or

> just see what she has to say about how I am feeling? Also

> what do you think about me taking todays 1/2 dose of Armour

> this morning or should I be skipping it until I talk to the

> doctor?

> Way back in October when I started going to this new doctor

> I asked her to check my Adrenals but she wanted to wait. I

> sure hope she will do it now. Do you think if I were to take

> Selenium and/or L-Tyrosine would help?

> Thanks again for your help

>

I would skip the AM dose of Armour, personally. I would ask again to

have adrenals tested and then write down and/or state your symptoms.

Myabe if you feel you can slip it in, metnion you have heard that

somtimes when you raise your thyroid dose, adreanl fatigue can show

itself. selenium is a great things to take to help the conversion

process from T4 to T3....make sure you take it apart by some hours

from your thyroid dose. L-tyrosine, being an amino acid, should

always be taken on an empty stomach to be effective. Take that

before, with or after your AM armour dose (depending if you swallow

or dissolve the Armour - if you dissolve, take it with water right

before the Armour) - 1000 mg is what my doc recommends, but you can

work up to that, and begin with 500mg. It optimizes your thryoid

function, helps the TSH stay a little higher (which my doctor has

told me) and has some natural anti-depressant qualities.

January 22, 2004