Re: dietitians and weight bias

[Guest guest]

I think I understand the gist. D

Re: dietitians and weight bias

>>

>> I totally agree. None of us are perfect and we always have to check

>> ourselves to see if we are being biased one way or another. But the bottom

>> line is the relationship and rapport you build with people. Yes people

>> judge

>> books by the cover all the time, but it is those who read the books that

>> get

>> the real scoop. We need to see people as people, not products, not

>> projects,

>> not stereotypes.

>>

>> Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

>> http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

>> http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

>>

>> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Madalyn Friedberg

<mffrd10019@...<mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

>> >wrote:

>>

>> > I believe that a credible RD is one that looks healthy and can be

>> > compassionate with the clients. I received a call this morning from a

>> woman

>> > who remembered me from a few months ago when her husband died at my LTC

>> > facility. I barely remember her, but she remembered how supportive I was

>> at

>> > the end of his life. That is what is important to me.

>> >

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Ok, I'll try to explain the part that I cut out now because it's driving me

crazy :-)

Digna said:

Depending on what we do, we really need to at least look and act the part to

be credible. Getting past the appearances is the first step.

I agree with that part. But really, not everyone is trying to be skinny and

fit into clothes they wore in their early 20s, although that's what a lot of

advertisements would lead you to believe. So not everyone will be put off by

that. And there are people who are more comfortable trusting someone who

doesn't have it all together, but is a work in progress... just a bit

further down the road.

Honestly, I think the whole " role model " concept is very flawed. What we

have are unrealistic expectations on certain people to perform better than

we do so that maybe we can become a bit better ourselves. They are always

held to a higher standard than the rest of the human race wants to live at.

In my life, the best role models (and not just talking about nutrition here)

are those who have come to terms with their flaws and weaknesses, they

acknowledge it, and deal with it however long it takes to deal with it

(rather than waiting to be perfect to be the best example).

Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Digna Cassens

wrote:

>

>

> I think I understand the gist. D

>

> Re: dietitians and weight bias

> >>

> >> I totally agree. None of us are perfect and we always have to check

> >> ourselves to see if we are being biased one way or another. But the

> bottom

> >> line is the relationship and rapport you build with people. Yes people

> >> judge

> >> books by the cover all the time, but it is those who read the books that

> >> get

> >> the real scoop. We need to see people as people, not products, not

> >> projects,

> >> not stereotypes.

> >>

> >> Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

> >> http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

> >> http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

> >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

> >>

> >> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Madalyn Friedberg

<mffrd10019@...<mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

> <mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

> >> >wrote:

> >>

> >> > I believe that a credible RD is one that looks healthy and can be

> >> > compassionate with the clients. I received a call this morning from a

> >> woman

> >> > who remembered me from a few months ago when her husband died at my

> LTC

> >> > facility. I barely remember her, but she remembered how supportive I

> was

> >> at

> >> > the end of his life. That is what is important to me.

> >> >

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Ok, I'll try to explain the part that I cut out now because it's driving me

crazy :-)

Digna said:

Depending on what we do, we really need to at least look and act the part to

be credible. Getting past the appearances is the first step.

I agree with that part. But really, not everyone is trying to be skinny and

fit into clothes they wore in their early 20s, although that's what a lot of

advertisements would lead you to believe. So not everyone will be put off by

that. And there are people who are more comfortable trusting someone who

doesn't have it all together, but is a work in progress... just a bit

further down the road.

Honestly, I think the whole " role model " concept is very flawed. What we

have are unrealistic expectations on certain people to perform better than

we do so that maybe we can become a bit better ourselves. They are always

held to a higher standard than the rest of the human race wants to live at.

In my life, the best role models (and not just talking about nutrition here)

are those who have come to terms with their flaws and weaknesses, they

acknowledge it, and deal with it however long it takes to deal with it

(rather than waiting to be perfect to be the best example).

Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Digna Cassens

wrote:

>

>

> I think I understand the gist. D

>

> Re: dietitians and weight bias

> >>

> >> I totally agree. None of us are perfect and we always have to check

> >> ourselves to see if we are being biased one way or another. But the

> bottom

> >> line is the relationship and rapport you build with people. Yes people

> >> judge

> >> books by the cover all the time, but it is those who read the books that

> >> get

> >> the real scoop. We need to see people as people, not products, not

> >> projects,

> >> not stereotypes.

> >>

> >> Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

> >> http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

> >> http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

> >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

> >>

> >> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Madalyn Friedberg

<mffrd10019@...<mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

> <mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

> >> >wrote:

> >>

> >> > I believe that a credible RD is one that looks healthy and can be

> >> > compassionate with the clients. I received a call this morning from a

> >> woman

> >> > who remembered me from a few months ago when her husband died at my

> LTC

> >> > facility. I barely remember her, but she remembered how supportive I

> was

> >> at

> >> > the end of his life. That is what is important to me.

> >> >

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Ok, I'll try to explain the part that I cut out now because it's driving me

crazy :-)

Digna said:

Depending on what we do, we really need to at least look and act the part to

be credible. Getting past the appearances is the first step.

I agree with that part. But really, not everyone is trying to be skinny and

fit into clothes they wore in their early 20s, although that's what a lot of

advertisements would lead you to believe. So not everyone will be put off by

that. And there are people who are more comfortable trusting someone who

doesn't have it all together, but is a work in progress... just a bit

further down the road.

Honestly, I think the whole " role model " concept is very flawed. What we

have are unrealistic expectations on certain people to perform better than

we do so that maybe we can become a bit better ourselves. They are always

held to a higher standard than the rest of the human race wants to live at.

In my life, the best role models (and not just talking about nutrition here)

are those who have come to terms with their flaws and weaknesses, they

acknowledge it, and deal with it however long it takes to deal with it

(rather than waiting to be perfect to be the best example).

Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Digna Cassens

wrote:

>

>

> I think I understand the gist. D

>

> Re: dietitians and weight bias

> >>

> >> I totally agree. None of us are perfect and we always have to check

> >> ourselves to see if we are being biased one way or another. But the

> bottom

> >> line is the relationship and rapport you build with people. Yes people

> >> judge

> >> books by the cover all the time, but it is those who read the books that

> >> get

> >> the real scoop. We need to see people as people, not products, not

> >> projects,

> >> not stereotypes.

> >>

> >> Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

> >> http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

> >> http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

> >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

> >>

> >> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Madalyn Friedberg

<mffrd10019@...<mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

> <mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

> >> >wrote:

> >>

> >> > I believe that a credible RD is one that looks healthy and can be

> >> > compassionate with the clients. I received a call this morning from a

> >> woman

> >> > who remembered me from a few months ago when her husband died at my

> LTC

> >> > facility. I barely remember her, but she remembered how supportive I

> was

> >> at

> >> > the end of his life. That is what is important to me.

> >> >

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Renata's explanation clarifies something even further, and reminds me of the

understanding I gained leading support/recovery groups for food/body image

obsessions--there can be a difference between giving people hope (and people

respecting us as a " role model " ) and giving people someone to relate to (and

people respect us for being a " real model " ). There is value in both, and people

can respect both (even the overweight RD, as long as she is healthy and/or

perhaps in process with weight-loss herself). I always desired to co-facilitate

support/recovery groups though--I could give participants true hope though I was

removed from the struggle, and the co-facilitator could be someone still

overweight and in the throes of the struggle but taking steps to move through

it. I felt like that would give the group the best of both worlds. Having come

through my own body image/food obsessions to freedom years before, I was a

constant 112-115 lbs. without trying anymore, even after 3 babies. I never got

on scale anymore for years, only to calibrate for classes. I could tell by the

look in some of their eyes that they were not sure I really understood their

plight though. And it's true--I was now completely removed from the whole

bondage of bingeing 5x/night, weighing 3x/day, running 3 hours/day, and dieting

constantly that I had lived under for 2 decades. I could share my testimony,

and give them hope, but they had difficulty believing that I really did

understand their plight. The support/recovery group gave me the opportunity to

understand this because they could be honest with how they felt as we were in

deeper relationship than the usual counselor-to-counselee situation. For

participants in my classes (who were usually not as overwhelmed) I sensed that

most of them felt I COULD relate to them just by sharing my testimony, making

every effort to gain their respect professionally at the same time. There seems

to be different levels of " relating " and perhaps it comes down to individual

situations yet again.

Diane Preves, M.S., R.D.

N.E.W. LIFE (Nutrition, Exercise, Wellness for LIFE)

www.newlifeforhealth.com

Re: dietitians and weight bias

> >>

> >> I totally agree. None of us are perfect and we always have to check

> >> ourselves to see if we are being biased one way or another. But the

> bottom

> >> line is the relationship and rapport you build with people. Yes people

> >> judge

> >> books by the cover all the time, but it is those who read the books that

> >> get

> >> the real scoop. We need to see people as people, not products, not

> >> projects,

> >> not stereotypes.

> >>

> >> Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

> >> http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

> >> http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

> >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

> >>

> >> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Madalyn Friedberg

<mffrd10019@...<mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

> <mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

> >> >wrote:

> >>

> >> > I believe that a credible RD is one that looks healthy and can be

> >> > compassionate with the clients. I received a call this morning from a

> >> woman

> >> > who remembered me from a few months ago when her husband died at my

> LTC

> >> > facility. I barely remember her, but she remembered how supportive I

> was

> >> at

> >> > the end of his life. That is what is important to me.

> >> >

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Renata's explanation clarifies something even further, and reminds me of the

understanding I gained leading support/recovery groups for food/body image

obsessions--there can be a difference between giving people hope (and people

respecting us as a " role model " ) and giving people someone to relate to (and

people respect us for being a " real model " ). There is value in both, and people

can respect both (even the overweight RD, as long as she is healthy and/or

perhaps in process with weight-loss herself). I always desired to co-facilitate

support/recovery groups though--I could give participants true hope though I was

removed from the struggle, and the co-facilitator could be someone still

overweight and in the throes of the struggle but taking steps to move through

it. I felt like that would give the group the best of both worlds. Having come

through my own body image/food obsessions to freedom years before, I was a

constant 112-115 lbs. without trying anymore, even after 3 babies. I never got

on scale anymore for years, only to calibrate for classes. I could tell by the

look in some of their eyes that they were not sure I really understood their

plight though. And it's true--I was now completely removed from the whole

bondage of bingeing 5x/night, weighing 3x/day, running 3 hours/day, and dieting

constantly that I had lived under for 2 decades. I could share my testimony,

and give them hope, but they had difficulty believing that I really did

understand their plight. The support/recovery group gave me the opportunity to

understand this because they could be honest with how they felt as we were in

deeper relationship than the usual counselor-to-counselee situation. For

participants in my classes (who were usually not as overwhelmed) I sensed that

most of them felt I COULD relate to them just by sharing my testimony, making

every effort to gain their respect professionally at the same time. There seems

to be different levels of " relating " and perhaps it comes down to individual

situations yet again.

Diane Preves, M.S., R.D.

N.E.W. LIFE (Nutrition, Exercise, Wellness for LIFE)

www.newlifeforhealth.com

Re: dietitians and weight bias

> >>

> >> I totally agree. None of us are perfect and we always have to check

> >> ourselves to see if we are being biased one way or another. But the

> bottom

> >> line is the relationship and rapport you build with people. Yes people

> >> judge

> >> books by the cover all the time, but it is those who read the books that

> >> get

> >> the real scoop. We need to see people as people, not products, not

> >> projects,

> >> not stereotypes.

> >>

> >> Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

> >> http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

> >> http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

> >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

> >>

> >> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Madalyn Friedberg

<mffrd10019@...<mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

> <mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

> >> >wrote:

> >>

> >> > I believe that a credible RD is one that looks healthy and can be

> >> > compassionate with the clients. I received a call this morning from a

> >> woman

> >> > who remembered me from a few months ago when her husband died at my

> LTC

> >> > facility. I barely remember her, but she remembered how supportive I

> was

> >> at

> >> > the end of his life. That is what is important to me.

> >> >

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Both you and Renata have added even more depth and dimension to this discussion.

Thank you.

Digna

Re: dietitians and weight bias

> >>

> >> I totally agree. None of us are perfect and we always have to check

> >> ourselves to see if we are being biased one way or another. But the

> bottom

> >> line is the relationship and rapport you build with people. Yes people

> >> judge

> >> books by the cover all the time, but it is those who read the books that

> >> get

> >> the real scoop. We need to see people as people, not products, not

> >> projects,

> >> not stereotypes.

> >>

> >> Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

> >> http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

> >> http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

> >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

> >>

> >> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Madalyn Friedberg

<mffrd10019@...<mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

> <mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

> >> >wrote:

> >>

> >> > I believe that a credible RD is one that looks healthy and can be

> >> > compassionate with the clients. I received a call this morning from a

> >> woman

> >> > who remembered me from a few months ago when her husband died at my

> LTC

> >> > facility. I barely remember her, but she remembered how supportive I

> was

> >> at

> >> > the end of his life. That is what is important to me.

> >> >

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Both you and Renata have added even more depth and dimension to this discussion.

Thank you.

Digna

Re: dietitians and weight bias

> >>

> >> I totally agree. None of us are perfect and we always have to check

> >> ourselves to see if we are being biased one way or another. But the

> bottom

> >> line is the relationship and rapport you build with people. Yes people

> >> judge

> >> books by the cover all the time, but it is those who read the books that

> >> get

> >> the real scoop. We need to see people as people, not products, not

> >> projects,

> >> not stereotypes.

> >>

> >> Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

> >> http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

> >> http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

> >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

> >>

> >> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Madalyn Friedberg

<mffrd10019@...<mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

> <mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

> >> >wrote:

> >>

> >> > I believe that a credible RD is one that looks healthy and can be

> >> > compassionate with the clients. I received a call this morning from a

> >> woman

> >> > who remembered me from a few months ago when her husband died at my

> LTC

> >> > facility. I barely remember her, but she remembered how supportive I

> was

> >> at

> >> > the end of his life. That is what is important to me.

> >> >

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

You betcha--you have too Digna,

Diane

Re: dietitians and weight bias

> >>

> >> I totally agree. None of us are perfect and we always have to check

> >> ourselves to see if we are being biased one way or another. But the

> bottom

> >> line is the relationship and rapport you build with people. Yes people

> >> judge

> >> books by the cover all the time, but it is those who read the books that

> >> get

> >> the real scoop. We need to see people as people, not products, not

> >> projects,

> >> not stereotypes.

> >>

> >> Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

> >> http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

> >> http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

> >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

> >>

> >> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Madalyn Friedberg

<mffrd10019@...<mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

> <mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

> >> >wrote:

> >>

> >> > I believe that a credible RD is one that looks healthy and can be

> >> > compassionate with the clients. I received a call this morning from a

> >> woman

> >> > who remembered me from a few months ago when her husband died at my

> LTC

> >> > facility. I barely remember her, but she remembered how supportive I

> was

> >> at

> >> > the end of his life. That is what is important to me.

> >> >

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

You betcha--you have too Digna,

Diane

Re: dietitians and weight bias

> >>

> >> I totally agree. None of us are perfect and we always have to check

> >> ourselves to see if we are being biased one way or another. But the

> bottom

> >> line is the relationship and rapport you build with people. Yes people

> >> judge

> >> books by the cover all the time, but it is those who read the books that

> >> get

> >> the real scoop. We need to see people as people, not products, not

> >> projects,

> >> not stereotypes.

> >>

> >> Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

> >> http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

> >> http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

> >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

> >>

> >> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Madalyn Friedberg

<mffrd10019@...<mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

> <mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

> >> >wrote:

> >>

> >> > I believe that a credible RD is one that looks healthy and can be

> >> > compassionate with the clients. I received a call this morning from a

> >> woman

> >> > who remembered me from a few months ago when her husband died at my

> LTC

> >> > facility. I barely remember her, but she remembered how supportive I

> was

> >> at

> >> > the end of his life. That is what is important to me.

> >> >

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

You betcha--you have too Digna,

Diane

Re: dietitians and weight bias

> >>

> >> I totally agree. None of us are perfect and we always have to check

> >> ourselves to see if we are being biased one way or another. But the

> bottom

> >> line is the relationship and rapport you build with people. Yes people

> >> judge

> >> books by the cover all the time, but it is those who read the books that

> >> get

> >> the real scoop. We need to see people as people, not products, not

> >> projects,

> >> not stereotypes.

> >>

> >> Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

> >> http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

> >> http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

> >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

> >>

> >> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Madalyn Friedberg

<mffrd10019@...<mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

> <mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

> >> >wrote:

> >>

> >> > I believe that a credible RD is one that looks healthy and can be

> >> > compassionate with the clients. I received a call this morning from a

> >> woman

> >> > who remembered me from a few months ago when her husband died at my

> LTC

> >> > facility. I barely remember her, but she remembered how supportive I

> was

> >> at

> >> > the end of his life. That is what is important to me.

> >> >

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Well...what I teach people is not to be skinny but to be healthy. You

can weight more and still be healthy! I do, personally, have a GREAT

FEAR of becoming " fat " !! Went through the usual eating issues in

HS/college and it helped me learn a lot. I am nowhere NEAR

skinny...haven't been for years and years and years. I do, however, eat

healthy and feel that is the role model I'm trying to be.

Collier, RD/LD

Clinical Nutrition Manager

Midland Memorial Hospital

2200 West Illinois

Midland, TX 79701

leslie.collier@...

(fax)

(pager)

________________________________

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf

Of Renata Oliveira Mangrum

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 10:25 PM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: dietitians and weight bias

Ok, I'll try to explain the part that I cut out now because it's driving

me

crazy :-)

Digna said:

Depending on what we do, we really need to at least look and act the

part to

be credible. Getting past the appearances is the first step.

I agree with that part. But really, not everyone is trying to be skinny

and

fit into clothes they wore in their early 20s, although that's what a

lot of

advertisements would lead you to believe. So not everyone will be put

off by

that. And there are people who are more comfortable trusting someone who

doesn't have it all together, but is a work in progress... just a bit

further down the road.

Honestly, I think the whole " role model " concept is very flawed. What we

have are unrealistic expectations on certain people to perform better

than

we do so that maybe we can become a bit better ourselves. They are

always

held to a higher standard than the rest of the human race wants to live

at.

In my life, the best role models (and not just talking about nutrition

here)

are those who have come to terms with their flaws and weaknesses, they

acknowledge it, and deal with it however long it takes to deal with it

(rather than waiting to be perfect to be the best example).

Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

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On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 10:07 PM, Digna Cassens

<dignacassens@... <mailto:dignacassens%40roadrunner.com>

>wrote:

>

>

> I think I understand the gist. D

>

> Re: dietitians and weight bias

> >>

> >> I totally agree. None of us are perfect and we always have to check

> >> ourselves to see if we are being biased one way or another. But the

> bottom

> >> line is the relationship and rapport you build with people. Yes

people

> >> judge

> >> books by the cover all the time, but it is those who read the books

that

> >> get

> >> the real scoop. We need to see people as people, not products, not

> >> projects,

> >> not stereotypes.

> >>

> >> Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

> >> http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

<http://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?IcK8zC4S3qb9EVj73zhOOr01MrzdKcE4olDZe

87R8QmHfBPt-LtVVAQsIf8FCXCWv2sWBQrTpvvo75QnHKcBQkS4mbzDTC2V_QfB_mGuvbUDa

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KCCBQQg8i-sFOS53h1I43h0o-h4DcQg49rgTfM-u0USzsSOCrhs76zBBNAsrbeeV>

> >> http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

<http://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?b3by8VxdwSyOqekNMUQsICM0sEeX2rL-xa14D

aAWNbsgfGhEJmvbCXZuXPP9EVouhjdTdQ-4VRbETKO--MebELnspbEFI8In7fLc5P_Evb-Jk

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> >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

<http://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?m6n4hP2r1J5AQsFzxNEVpdw0zVga-xa7bVa6h

-6PRno4oJGCXZuXPP9EVouhjdTdQ-4VRbETKO--MebELnspbEFI8In7fLc5P_Evb-JkY-nNe

lAwvI42WLGRzbj-n1kvCT65e8NGSJjySAWRVsSOyYUYrhjohoKevud79JAQsCMnWhEwdbsk2

XtddbFEwgBYVjBIa6y3o86y0NYy9epEw8iSxKvxYY1NJ5cSOCrhs76zBBNAsrbeeV>

> >>

> >> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Madalyn Friedberg

<mffrd10019@... <mailto:mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

<mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

> <mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

> >> >wrote:

> >>

> >> > I believe that a credible RD is one that looks healthy and can be

> >> > compassionate with the clients. I received a call this morning

from a

> >> woman

> >> > who remembered me from a few months ago when her husband died at

my

> LTC

> >> > facility. I barely remember her, but she remembered how

supportive I

> was

> >> at

> >> > the end of his life. That is what is important to me.

> >> >

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

's name was clearly spelled out next to her email address. I wonder if thin

male dietitians receive the same suspicious judgments about being thin. I think

it's funny when people witness me choosing to avoid certain foods because I

don't want to put on weight. I often respond by saying, " How do you think I stay

thin? " And, " I don't want to carry even two extra pounds in the marathon I'm

training for. " That usually stops the snickering.

Dave

________________________________

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

sbsrd@...

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 10:24 AM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: dietitians and weight bias

Interesting that you did not sign your post....I'm sure it was an

oversight. I'd appreciate a name to go with your opinion.

So you, like so many others, think that Jillian and the trim dietitians you

see at meetings are eating a healthy diet and exercising while the fat

ones are gorging on Mc's while watching The Biggest Loser on their TVs.

Sorry if that sounds harsh. I mean it to!

Your statement about wanting to look like Jillian and other trainers....we

could exercise and eat like Jillian and few if any of us would end up

looking like she looks!

Perhaps instead of focusing on how we look, we should focus on our general

health. Because isn't that what we're all about? You cannot make a judgment

about someone's diet, exercise patterns or health just by looking at her

girth. Guess what. Lots of thin people die every year from the same diseases

that afflict heavier people.

The research substantiates that many dietitians choose the career because

they have " issues " (and we're not talking about healthy issues) with food.

So presuming that thin dietitians are the healthy ones (both physically and

emotionally) and the fat dietitians are the unhealthy ones is taking your

personal observation pretty far away from scientific evidence.

As usual, we could beat this into the ground and still not come up with a

consensus. I hope this discussion got some of you to face your biases,

question how you treat other people and try to do a better job.

Oh, BTW...as long as there is no approved BMI for registration as a

dietitian and no weight recommendations for Standards of Practice, I think the

issue of who represents our profession should not be a part of the discussion!

S

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

_http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon_'>http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon_

(http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon)

http://diaryofadietingdietitian.blogspot.com

In a message dated 5/3/2009 9:05:21 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

cubsfan_28512@...<mailto:cubsfan_28512%40yahoo.com> writes:

Why do you think so many people ask personal trainers for diet/nutrition

advice? Because they are fit/in shape! When you see someone like the trainer

Jillian on Biggest Loser, you are thinking - " What does she eat? How much

does she workout? " " I want to learn what she does so I can look like that! "

The last time I attended a state dietetic association conference, it was

embarrassing to our profession to see so many overweight/obese dietitians. I

sat in front of someone that could not even fit on one chair. We can't

keep telling the public that WE are the only ones that they should be getting

their nutrition advice from when we are not taking our own advice.

From: Dineright4aol (DOT) com <Dineright4aol (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: dietitians and weight bias - Yep, I'm biased

-discussion

To: rd-usayahoogroups (DOT) com

Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 10:26 AM

Thanks Sharon,

I think it's important to recognize that this study was of dietetic

students, not RDs.

Now, on a PERSONAL note.??

The article states: " More than 40 percent of students reported that they

believe obese individuals are lazy, lacking in willpower and are

self-indulgent. "

Well, I worked to keep my weight at around 120-125 pounds (I'm 5 " 4 " and

small boned) from 1984 to 1998. Making healthy choices, exercising 5 days a

week. Then I married my current husband in 1998 and am very happily married

and got fat and lazy!

I've also gained 25 pounds in those 10 years and frankly, the ONLY reason

I've gained them is because I've been " lazy, lacking in willpower ans

self-indulgent! " ? SERIOUSLY!? I've sat on my butt on the computer working all

day. Eating a lot more junk that my hubby brings home. (Even tho he's former

Marine and 6'6 " and 200# when we met? - He actually said I " was too

skinny " when we met (despite the fact that one of my jerk boyfriends prior to

him

thought I was out of shape!) and has never complained once about my wt

gain (I have).

So, I ADMIT! I'm biased -- based on my own personal experience of becoming

overweight, I don't think my personal experience is so unusual!? I have 3

sisters that also feel the same, personally, about their own weight ups and

downs.

To me, how can that be bias when it's my own personal truth?

Just some fodder for discussion.

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

PS. Thankfully, I'm back to swimming twice a week and inline skating 3-4

days a week the last month! No more lazy and back to halting further gain.

dietitians and weight bias

Please excuse the cross posting but I thought this was important enough to

fill up your mailboxes... .

_http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/

20090502dietetic050 2.html_

(http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/ 20090502dietetic 0502.html)

I haven't read the study but the article makes me very very sad. Of

course,

I know this is true. As a " fat " RD, I've experienced the bias myself from

others in my profession. That's what prompted me to write the " Fat

Dietitian " article for Today's Dietitian a few years ago.

I hope that the study results doesn't deter people from seeking help from

RDs and I also hope that the study helps dietitians to be a bit more

introspective about what their feelings really are about fat people.

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

_http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon_

(http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon)

http://diaryofadiet ingdietitian. blogspot. com

************ **Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on

the

web. Get the Radio Toolbar!

(http://toolbar. aol.com/aolradio /download. html?ncid= emlcntusdown0000

0003)

[Guest guest]

's name was clearly spelled out next to her email address. I wonder if thin

male dietitians receive the same suspicious judgments about being thin. I think

it's funny when people witness me choosing to avoid certain foods because I

don't want to put on weight. I often respond by saying, " How do you think I stay

thin? " And, " I don't want to carry even two extra pounds in the marathon I'm

training for. " That usually stops the snickering.

Dave

________________________________

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of

sbsrd@...

Sent: Sunday, May 03, 2009 10:24 AM

To: rd-usa

Subject: Re: dietitians and weight bias

Interesting that you did not sign your post....I'm sure it was an

oversight. I'd appreciate a name to go with your opinion.

So you, like so many others, think that Jillian and the trim dietitians you

see at meetings are eating a healthy diet and exercising while the fat

ones are gorging on Mc's while watching The Biggest Loser on their TVs.

Sorry if that sounds harsh. I mean it to!

Your statement about wanting to look like Jillian and other trainers....we

could exercise and eat like Jillian and few if any of us would end up

looking like she looks!

Perhaps instead of focusing on how we look, we should focus on our general

health. Because isn't that what we're all about? You cannot make a judgment

about someone's diet, exercise patterns or health just by looking at her

girth. Guess what. Lots of thin people die every year from the same diseases

that afflict heavier people.

The research substantiates that many dietitians choose the career because

they have " issues " (and we're not talking about healthy issues) with food.

So presuming that thin dietitians are the healthy ones (both physically and

emotionally) and the fat dietitians are the unhealthy ones is taking your

personal observation pretty far away from scientific evidence.

As usual, we could beat this into the ground and still not come up with a

consensus. I hope this discussion got some of you to face your biases,

question how you treat other people and try to do a better job.

Oh, BTW...as long as there is no approved BMI for registration as a

dietitian and no weight recommendations for Standards of Practice, I think the

issue of who represents our profession should not be a part of the discussion!

S

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

_http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon_'>http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon_

(http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon)

http://diaryofadietingdietitian.blogspot.com

In a message dated 5/3/2009 9:05:21 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

cubsfan_28512@...<mailto:cubsfan_28512%40yahoo.com> writes:

Why do you think so many people ask personal trainers for diet/nutrition

advice? Because they are fit/in shape! When you see someone like the trainer

Jillian on Biggest Loser, you are thinking - " What does she eat? How much

does she workout? " " I want to learn what she does so I can look like that! "

The last time I attended a state dietetic association conference, it was

embarrassing to our profession to see so many overweight/obese dietitians. I

sat in front of someone that could not even fit on one chair. We can't

keep telling the public that WE are the only ones that they should be getting

their nutrition advice from when we are not taking our own advice.

From: Dineright4aol (DOT) com <Dineright4aol (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: dietitians and weight bias - Yep, I'm biased

-discussion

To: rd-usayahoogroups (DOT) com

Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 10:26 AM

Thanks Sharon,

I think it's important to recognize that this study was of dietetic

students, not RDs.

Now, on a PERSONAL note.??

The article states: " More than 40 percent of students reported that they

believe obese individuals are lazy, lacking in willpower and are

self-indulgent. "

Well, I worked to keep my weight at around 120-125 pounds (I'm 5 " 4 " and

small boned) from 1984 to 1998. Making healthy choices, exercising 5 days a

week. Then I married my current husband in 1998 and am very happily married

and got fat and lazy!

I've also gained 25 pounds in those 10 years and frankly, the ONLY reason

I've gained them is because I've been " lazy, lacking in willpower ans

self-indulgent! " ? SERIOUSLY!? I've sat on my butt on the computer working all

day. Eating a lot more junk that my hubby brings home. (Even tho he's former

Marine and 6'6 " and 200# when we met? - He actually said I " was too

skinny " when we met (despite the fact that one of my jerk boyfriends prior to

him

thought I was out of shape!) and has never complained once about my wt

gain (I have).

So, I ADMIT! I'm biased -- based on my own personal experience of becoming

overweight, I don't think my personal experience is so unusual!? I have 3

sisters that also feel the same, personally, about their own weight ups and

downs.

To me, how can that be bias when it's my own personal truth?

Just some fodder for discussion.

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

PS. Thankfully, I'm back to swimming twice a week and inline skating 3-4

days a week the last month! No more lazy and back to halting further gain.

dietitians and weight bias

Please excuse the cross posting but I thought this was important enough to

fill up your mailboxes... .

_http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/

20090502dietetic050 2.html_

(http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/ 20090502dietetic 0502.html)

I haven't read the study but the article makes me very very sad. Of

course,

I know this is true. As a " fat " RD, I've experienced the bias myself from

others in my profession. That's what prompted me to write the " Fat

Dietitian " article for Today's Dietitian a few years ago.

I hope that the study results doesn't deter people from seeking help from

RDs and I also hope that the study helps dietitians to be a bit more

introspective about what their feelings really are about fat people.

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

_http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon_

(http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon)

http://diaryofadiet ingdietitian. blogspot. com

************ **Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on

the

web. Get the Radio Toolbar!

(http://toolbar. aol.com/aolradio /download. html?ncid= emlcntusdown0000

0003)

[Guest guest]

Digna,

No, DIL is not Vegan (my dtrs and sil's are). She weighs and measures all she

eats. I don't know the calories but with food and her protein shakes I am sure

it is high. She has now entered another figure contest for 2 weeks from now. The

competitions sponsors will not permit an entrant to be under 15% body fat.

I was always 'chubby' as a child. Got to 'normal' when I got married and have

stayed within 10 lbs of that for 46 years.  I also usually loose a few lbs when

on vacation. Not being near my nuts and chocolate can do that.

Madalyn

 

________________________________

To: rd-usa

Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2009 8:49:01 PM

Subject: Re: dietitians and weight bias

Madalyn, if your DIL is vegan, could that explain her low BMI? One of my vegan

RDs who's a body builder has to eat about 3500 to 4500 calories a day just to

stay fit and healthy.

I remember so well when I was very thin! That wasn't even too long ago. I

thought I looked like a refugee or at death's door. No matter how much I ate I

could not put on the weight. I'm the only person I know that loses weight on

vacation! maybe mostly bc I'm a picky eater and the increased activity and less

calories cause that, but I don't really know why that is. As I've stated before,

now I like my weight, but it was hard work getting it there.

Digna

dietitians and weight bias

Please excuse the cross posting but I thought this was important enough to

fill up your mailboxes... .

_http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/

20090502dietetic050 2.html_

(http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/ 20090502dietetic 0502.html)

I haven't read the study but the article makes me very very sad. Of

course,

I know this is true. As a " fat " RD, I've experienced the bias myself from

others in my profession. That's what prompted me to write the " Fat

Dietitian " article for Today's Dietitian a few years ago.

I hope that the study results doesn't deter people from seeking help from

RDs and I also hope that the study helps dietitians to be a bit more

introspective about what their feelings really are about fat people.

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

_http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon_

(http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon)

http://diaryofadiet ingdietitian. blogspot. com

************ **Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on

the

web. Get the Radio Toolbar!

(http://toolbar. aol.com/aolradio /download. html?ncid= emlcntusdown0000

0003)

[Guest guest]

Digna,

No, DIL is not Vegan (my dtrs and sil's are). She weighs and measures all she

eats. I don't know the calories but with food and her protein shakes I am sure

it is high. She has now entered another figure contest for 2 weeks from now. The

competitions sponsors will not permit an entrant to be under 15% body fat.

I was always 'chubby' as a child. Got to 'normal' when I got married and have

stayed within 10 lbs of that for 46 years.  I also usually loose a few lbs when

on vacation. Not being near my nuts and chocolate can do that.

Madalyn

 

________________________________

To: rd-usa

Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2009 8:49:01 PM

Subject: Re: dietitians and weight bias

Madalyn, if your DIL is vegan, could that explain her low BMI? One of my vegan

RDs who's a body builder has to eat about 3500 to 4500 calories a day just to

stay fit and healthy.

I remember so well when I was very thin! That wasn't even too long ago. I

thought I looked like a refugee or at death's door. No matter how much I ate I

could not put on the weight. I'm the only person I know that loses weight on

vacation! maybe mostly bc I'm a picky eater and the increased activity and less

calories cause that, but I don't really know why that is. As I've stated before,

now I like my weight, but it was hard work getting it there.

Digna

dietitians and weight bias

Please excuse the cross posting but I thought this was important enough to

fill up your mailboxes... .

_http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/

20090502dietetic050 2.html_

(http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/ 20090502dietetic 0502.html)

I haven't read the study but the article makes me very very sad. Of

course,

I know this is true. As a " fat " RD, I've experienced the bias myself from

others in my profession. That's what prompted me to write the " Fat

Dietitian " article for Today's Dietitian a few years ago.

I hope that the study results doesn't deter people from seeking help from

RDs and I also hope that the study helps dietitians to be a bit more

introspective about what their feelings really are about fat people.

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

_http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon_

(http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon)

http://diaryofadiet ingdietitian. blogspot. com

************ **Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on

the

web. Get the Radio Toolbar!

(http://toolbar. aol.com/aolradio /download. html?ncid= emlcntusdown0000

0003)

[Guest guest]

Digna,

No, DIL is not Vegan (my dtrs and sil's are). She weighs and measures all she

eats. I don't know the calories but with food and her protein shakes I am sure

it is high. She has now entered another figure contest for 2 weeks from now. The

competitions sponsors will not permit an entrant to be under 15% body fat.

I was always 'chubby' as a child. Got to 'normal' when I got married and have

stayed within 10 lbs of that for 46 years.  I also usually loose a few lbs when

on vacation. Not being near my nuts and chocolate can do that.

Madalyn

 

________________________________

To: rd-usa

Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2009 8:49:01 PM

Subject: Re: dietitians and weight bias

Madalyn, if your DIL is vegan, could that explain her low BMI? One of my vegan

RDs who's a body builder has to eat about 3500 to 4500 calories a day just to

stay fit and healthy.

I remember so well when I was very thin! That wasn't even too long ago. I

thought I looked like a refugee or at death's door. No matter how much I ate I

could not put on the weight. I'm the only person I know that loses weight on

vacation! maybe mostly bc I'm a picky eater and the increased activity and less

calories cause that, but I don't really know why that is. As I've stated before,

now I like my weight, but it was hard work getting it there.

Digna

dietitians and weight bias

Please excuse the cross posting but I thought this was important enough to

fill up your mailboxes... .

_http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/

20090502dietetic050 2.html_

(http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/ 20090502dietetic 0502.html)

I haven't read the study but the article makes me very very sad. Of

course,

I know this is true. As a " fat " RD, I've experienced the bias myself from

others in my profession. That's what prompted me to write the " Fat

Dietitian " article for Today's Dietitian a few years ago.

I hope that the study results doesn't deter people from seeking help from

RDs and I also hope that the study helps dietitians to be a bit more

introspective about what their feelings really are about fat people.

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

_http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon_

(http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon)

http://diaryofadiet ingdietitian. blogspot. com

************ **Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on

the

web. Get the Radio Toolbar!

(http://toolbar. aol.com/aolradio /download. html?ncid= emlcntusdown0000

0003)

[Guest guest]

Thank you all for this discussion. My overweight RD daughter struggles with her

food and is an excellent 'role model' for others engaged in similar struggles.

________________________________

To: rd-usa

Sent: Monday, May 4, 2009 2:21:23 AM

Subject: Re: dietitians and weight bias

You betcha--you have too Digna,

Diane

Re: dietitians and weight bias

> >>

> >> I totally agree. None of us are perfect and we always have to check

> >> ourselves to see if we are being biased one way or another. But the

> bottom

> >> line is the relationship and rapport you build with people. Yes people

> >> judge

> >> books by the cover all the time, but it is those who read the books that

> >> get

> >> the real scoop. We need to see people as people, not products, not

> >> projects,

> >> not stereotypes.

> >>

> >> Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

> >> http://nurturingnot es.blogspot. com

> >> http://infantfeedin ghistory. blogspot. com

> >> http://www.linkedin .com/in/renatama ngrum

> >>

> >> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Madalyn Friedberg <mffrd10019yahoo (DOT)

com<mffrd10019% 40yahoo.com>

> <mffrd10019% 40yahoo.com>

> >> >wrote:

> >>

> >> > I believe that a credible RD is one that looks healthy and can be

> >> > compassionate with the clients. I received a call this morning from a

> >> woman

> >> > who remembered me from a few months ago when her husband died at my

> LTC

> >> > facility. I barely remember her, but she remembered how supportive I

> was

> >> at

> >> > the end of his life. That is what is important to me.

> >> >

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Thank you all for this discussion. My overweight RD daughter struggles with her

food and is an excellent 'role model' for others engaged in similar struggles.

________________________________

To: rd-usa

Sent: Monday, May 4, 2009 2:21:23 AM

Subject: Re: dietitians and weight bias

You betcha--you have too Digna,

Diane

Re: dietitians and weight bias

> >>

> >> I totally agree. None of us are perfect and we always have to check

> >> ourselves to see if we are being biased one way or another. But the

> bottom

> >> line is the relationship and rapport you build with people. Yes people

> >> judge

> >> books by the cover all the time, but it is those who read the books that

> >> get

> >> the real scoop. We need to see people as people, not products, not

> >> projects,

> >> not stereotypes.

> >>

> >> Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

> >> http://nurturingnot es.blogspot. com

> >> http://infantfeedin ghistory. blogspot. com

> >> http://www.linkedin .com/in/renatama ngrum

> >>

> >> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Madalyn Friedberg <mffrd10019yahoo (DOT)

com<mffrd10019% 40yahoo.com>

> <mffrd10019% 40yahoo.com>

> >> >wrote:

> >>

> >> > I believe that a credible RD is one that looks healthy and can be

> >> > compassionate with the clients. I received a call this morning from a

> >> woman

> >> > who remembered me from a few months ago when her husband died at my

> LTC

> >> > facility. I barely remember her, but she remembered how supportive I

> was

> >> at

> >> > the end of his life. That is what is important to me.

> >> >

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Thank you all for this discussion. My overweight RD daughter struggles with her

food and is an excellent 'role model' for others engaged in similar struggles.

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To: rd-usa

Sent: Monday, May 4, 2009 2:21:23 AM

Subject: Re: dietitians and weight bias

You betcha--you have too Digna,

Diane

Re: dietitians and weight bias

> >>

> >> I totally agree. None of us are perfect and we always have to check

> >> ourselves to see if we are being biased one way or another. But the

> bottom

> >> line is the relationship and rapport you build with people. Yes people

> >> judge

> >> books by the cover all the time, but it is those who read the books that

> >> get

> >> the real scoop. We need to see people as people, not products, not

> >> projects,

> >> not stereotypes.

> >>

> >> Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

> >> http://nurturingnot es.blogspot. com

> >> http://infantfeedin ghistory. blogspot. com

> >> http://www.linkedin .com/in/renatama ngrum

> >>

> >> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Madalyn Friedberg <mffrd10019yahoo (DOT)

com<mffrd10019% 40yahoo.com>

> <mffrd10019% 40yahoo.com>

> >> >wrote:

> >>

> >> > I believe that a credible RD is one that looks healthy and can be

> >> > compassionate with the clients. I received a call this morning from a

> >> woman

> >> > who remembered me from a few months ago when her husband died at my

> LTC

> >> > facility. I barely remember her, but she remembered how supportive I

> was

> >> at

> >> > the end of his life. That is what is important to me.

> >> >

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

Here I go opinionated RD to the comment. First of I am qualified as obese, by

today's standards I was obese 20 years ago. By the way my fat is the only thing

I have bought, paid for and they can't repossess. I has a 32 " waist at 16 and

110# at 5' 4 " , that is the way I am built. I also have a large frame so at the

upper limits for my height I still looked thin. As for food issues I am

terrified of having an empty frig. from when I was a young student with a 2 year

old and no money for food, no food and the Food Stamp clerk telling to go back

from where I came, Florida didn't want my type. She would not even tell me where

a Food Bank was because I needed to leave Florida. It was horrible. No one

leaves my hospital hungry if they ask for help. I was out of work for several

months when a job came up. I was going to apply till a friend came back from her

interview crying because the first thing that happen was she was weigh and

because she was no at her IBW

that was the end of the interview. The Food Service Director did not care if

she was a qualified RD just what she weigh. A lot of my over weight patients

like me because I look at the little changes and small weight losses and

congratulate them on the success they have accomplished. The nurses can't

believe I am praising a fat pig because she lost 5 #. Our society is so focused

on weight and weighing less and less that we no longer look at the negative

aspects of low body weight. Mortality rates go up, infertility goes up, TB goes

up, nutritional deficiencies go up if you know what to look for, and the list

goes on but that is not the thing to say or look at at this time. We are so into

the problems of obesity that every bad outcome or increase in disease is obesity

related. I am will to bet if someone wanted to do a study on the affects of low

body weight on fertility they would be turned down as not relevant because

obesity is the THING to study. I

really defy any skinny person even a fit one to spend 8 hours picking 240 fish

out of a net with the average weight of 11# each. Been there done that and with

a 2 hour nap started cleaning them for another 8 hours. We have to start looking

at people and ourselves as just that people. We are not our weight, height,

color, shape or any other way of seeing a person. Yes, I am a short fat RD but I

am me and that is more important then anything else. Do I want to weigh less of

course but Mother Nature keeps putting up road blocks that I am dealing with,

with the help of modern meds. For the young skinny things Mother Nature, time

and kids will cure any weight problems you have. Enjoy the journey.

 

Jackie Chase RD

Dillingham AK  

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[Guest guest]

Here I go opinionated RD to the comment. First of I am qualified as obese, by

today's standards I was obese 20 years ago. By the way my fat is the only thing

I have bought, paid for and they can't repossess. I has a 32 " waist at 16 and

110# at 5' 4 " , that is the way I am built. I also have a large frame so at the

upper limits for my height I still looked thin. As for food issues I am

terrified of having an empty frig. from when I was a young student with a 2 year

old and no money for food, no food and the Food Stamp clerk telling to go back

from where I came, Florida didn't want my type. She would not even tell me where

a Food Bank was because I needed to leave Florida. It was horrible. No one

leaves my hospital hungry if they ask for help. I was out of work for several

months when a job came up. I was going to apply till a friend came back from her

interview crying because the first thing that happen was she was weigh and

because she was no at her IBW

that was the end of the interview. The Food Service Director did not care if

she was a qualified RD just what she weigh. A lot of my over weight patients

like me because I look at the little changes and small weight losses and

congratulate them on the success they have accomplished. The nurses can't

believe I am praising a fat pig because she lost 5 #. Our society is so focused

on weight and weighing less and less that we no longer look at the negative

aspects of low body weight. Mortality rates go up, infertility goes up, TB goes

up, nutritional deficiencies go up if you know what to look for, and the list

goes on but that is not the thing to say or look at at this time. We are so into

the problems of obesity that every bad outcome or increase in disease is obesity

related. I am will to bet if someone wanted to do a study on the affects of low

body weight on fertility they would be turned down as not relevant because

obesity is the THING to study. I

really defy any skinny person even a fit one to spend 8 hours picking 240 fish

out of a net with the average weight of 11# each. Been there done that and with

a 2 hour nap started cleaning them for another 8 hours. We have to start looking

at people and ourselves as just that people. We are not our weight, height,

color, shape or any other way of seeing a person. Yes, I am a short fat RD but I

am me and that is more important then anything else. Do I want to weigh less of

course but Mother Nature keeps putting up road blocks that I am dealing with,

with the help of modern meds. For the young skinny things Mother Nature, time

and kids will cure any weight problems you have. Enjoy the journey.

 

Jackie Chase RD

Dillingham AK  

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[Guest guest]

Prejudging people on their body size/weight status is dangerous and I try

very hard not to.

This is overly simplistic but consider 4 types . . .

1. Thin people that cannot gain weight if they try.

2. Thin people that are thin because they don't eat enough.

3. Overweight people that cannot lose weight no matter how hard they try.

4. Overweight people that are overweight because they eat too much.

What I find most rewarding is aiding success in people that change eating

habits (mostly types 2 & 4)

What I find most frustrating is the unexplained -- types 1 & 3.

Any comments?

Beth Triner, RD

Nutritional Analysis & Consulting

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Please excuse the cross posting but I thought this was important enough to

fill up your mailboxes....

_http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/arizonaliving/articles/2009/05/02/

20090502dietetic0502.html_

(http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/arizonaliving/articles/2009/05/02/

20090502dietetic0502.html)

I haven't read the study but the article makes me very very sad. Of

course,

I know this is true. As a " fat " RD, I've experienced the bias myself from

others in my profession. That's what prompted me to write the " Fat

Dietitian " article for Today's Dietitian a few years ago.

I hope that the study results doesn't deter people from seeking help from

RDs and I also hope that the study helps dietitians to be a bit more

introspective about what their feelings really are about fat people.

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

(602) 751-4119

_http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon_

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Good for you! It does take effort to stay healthy, fit and be athletic. Now, I'm

not willing to make that effort, but really admire those that do make it. I do

have several really bad food habits. Example: I just LOVE mayonnaise, especially

home made. I don't make it any more, except for holidays, but find myself

accidentally dropping extra in my food knowing that I can afford the calories

and need them, but also knowing full well I don't really need the fat.... My

younger RDs are admirable! Skim milk in their cereal and coffee, no mayo in

their salads, sandwiches, etc. Lemon or vinegar dressings. You name it, they do

it. They're healthy looking, not ematiated - several of them run a minimum of 5

miles a day, which allows them extra calories - lots and lots of extra calories

- and the source is never a low nutrient dense food, even though I know and they

say they like those too. They just measure them out at the right time. They also

enjoy eating as much as anyone else, and never act or feel deprived. More

importantly, they don't act as if they're so priviledged bc of the way they eat.

It's their habit to eat that way and it's a matter of course for them; not to be

admired, commented on, or made much out of. I've discussed the ability to

self-control w them, and they talk about habit. It's not their habit to reach

for anything else, so that's what they reach for first. I think it's a matter of

doing it that way. Maybe not for me (old dogs, you know?) but there's a lot of

hope for the new and young people and children coming up. That's where I'd like

to see our efforts directed.

Digna

dietitians and weight bias

Please excuse the cross posting but I thought this was important enough to

fill up your mailboxes... .

_http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/

20090502dietetic050 2.html_

(http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/ 20090502dietetic 0502.html)

I haven't read the study but the article makes me very very sad. Of

course,

I know this is true. As a " fat " RD, I've experienced the bias myself from

others in my profession. That's what prompted me to write the " Fat

Dietitian " article for Today's Dietitian a few years ago.

I hope that the study results doesn't deter people from seeking help from

RDs and I also hope that the study helps dietitians to be a bit more

introspective about what their feelings really are about fat people.

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

_http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon_

(http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon)

http://diaryofadiet ingdietitian. blogspot. com

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[Guest guest]

Good for you! It does take effort to stay healthy, fit and be athletic. Now, I'm

not willing to make that effort, but really admire those that do make it. I do

have several really bad food habits. Example: I just LOVE mayonnaise, especially

home made. I don't make it any more, except for holidays, but find myself

accidentally dropping extra in my food knowing that I can afford the calories

and need them, but also knowing full well I don't really need the fat.... My

younger RDs are admirable! Skim milk in their cereal and coffee, no mayo in

their salads, sandwiches, etc. Lemon or vinegar dressings. You name it, they do

it. They're healthy looking, not ematiated - several of them run a minimum of 5

miles a day, which allows them extra calories - lots and lots of extra calories

- and the source is never a low nutrient dense food, even though I know and they

say they like those too. They just measure them out at the right time. They also

enjoy eating as much as anyone else, and never act or feel deprived. More

importantly, they don't act as if they're so priviledged bc of the way they eat.

It's their habit to eat that way and it's a matter of course for them; not to be

admired, commented on, or made much out of. I've discussed the ability to

self-control w them, and they talk about habit. It's not their habit to reach

for anything else, so that's what they reach for first. I think it's a matter of

doing it that way. Maybe not for me (old dogs, you know?) but there's a lot of

hope for the new and young people and children coming up. That's where I'd like

to see our efforts directed.

Digna

dietitians and weight bias

Please excuse the cross posting but I thought this was important enough to

fill up your mailboxes... .

_http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/

20090502dietetic050 2.html_

(http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/ 20090502dietetic 0502.html)

I haven't read the study but the article makes me very very sad. Of

course,

I know this is true. As a " fat " RD, I've experienced the bias myself from

others in my profession. That's what prompted me to write the " Fat

Dietitian " article for Today's Dietitian a few years ago.

I hope that the study results doesn't deter people from seeking help from

RDs and I also hope that the study helps dietitians to be a bit more

introspective about what their feelings really are about fat people.

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

_http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon_

(http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon)

http://diaryofadiet ingdietitian. blogspot. com

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