Re: dietitians and weight bias

[Guest guest]

Interesting that you did not sign your post....I'm sure it was an

oversight. I'd appreciate a name to go with your opinion.

So you, like so many others, think that Jillian and the trim dietitians you

see at meetings are eating a healthy diet and exercising while the fat

ones are gorging on Mc's while watching The Biggest Loser on their TVs.

Sorry if that sounds harsh. I mean it to!

Your statement about wanting to look like Jillian and other trainers....we

could exercise and eat like Jillian and few if any of us would end up

looking like she looks!

Perhaps instead of focusing on how we look, we should focus on our general

health. Because isn't that what we're all about? You cannot make a judgment

about someone's diet, exercise patterns or health just by looking at her

girth. Guess what. Lots of thin people die every year from the same diseases

that afflict heavier people.

The research substantiates that many dietitians choose the career because

they have " issues " (and we're not talking about healthy issues) with food.

So presuming that thin dietitians are the healthy ones (both physically and

emotionally) and the fat dietitians are the unhealthy ones is taking your

personal observation pretty far away from scientific evidence.

As usual, we could beat this into the ground and still not come up with a

consensus. I hope this discussion got some of you to face your biases,

question how you treat other people and try to do a better job.

Oh, BTW...as long as there is no approved BMI for registration as a

dietitian and no weight recommendations for Standards of Practice, I think the

issue of who represents our profession should not be a part of the discussion!

S

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

(602) 751-4119

_http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon_'>http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon_

(http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon)

http://diaryofadietingdietitian.blogspot.com

In a message dated 5/3/2009 9:05:21 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

cubsfan_28512@... writes:

Why do you think so many people ask personal trainers for diet/nutrition

advice? Because they are fit/in shape! When you see someone like the trainer

Jillian on Biggest Loser, you are thinking - " What does she eat? How much

does she workout? " " I want to learn what she does so I can look like that! "

The last time I attended a state dietetic association conference, it was

embarrassing to our profession to see so many overweight/obese dietitians. I

sat in front of someone that could not even fit on one chair. We can't

keep telling the public that WE are the only ones that they should be getting

their nutrition advice from when we are not taking our own advice.

From: Dineright4aol (DOT) com <Dineright4aol (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: dietitians and weight bias - Yep, I'm biased

-discussion

To: rd-usayahoogroups (DOT) com

Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 10:26 AM

Thanks Sharon,

I think it's important to recognize that this study was of dietetic

students, not RDs.

Now, on a PERSONAL note.??

The article states: " More than 40 percent of students reported that they

believe obese individuals are lazy, lacking in willpower and are

self-indulgent. "

Well, I worked to keep my weight at around 120-125 pounds (I'm 5 " 4 " and

small boned) from 1984 to 1998. Making healthy choices, exercising 5 days a

week. Then I married my current husband in 1998 and am very happily married

and got fat and lazy!

I've also gained 25 pounds in those 10 years and frankly, the ONLY reason

I've gained them is because I've been " lazy, lacking in willpower ans

self-indulgent! " ? SERIOUSLY!? I've sat on my butt on the computer working all

day. Eating a lot more junk that my hubby brings home. (Even tho he's former

Marine and 6'6 " and 200# when we met? - He actually said I " was too

skinny " when we met (despite the fact that one of my jerk boyfriends prior to

him

thought I was out of shape!) and has never complained once about my wt

gain (I have).

So, I ADMIT! I'm biased -- based on my own personal experience of becoming

overweight, I don't think my personal experience is so unusual!? I have 3

sisters that also feel the same, personally, about their own weight ups and

downs.

To me, how can that be bias when it's my own personal truth?

Just some fodder for discussion.

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

PS. Thankfully, I'm back to swimming twice a week and inline skating 3-4

days a week the last month! No more lazy and back to halting further gain.

dietitians and weight bias

Please excuse the cross posting but I thought this was important enough to

fill up your mailboxes... .

_http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/

20090502dietetic050 2.html_

(http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/ 20090502dietetic 0502.html)

I haven't read the study but the article makes me very very sad. Of

course,

I know this is true. As a " fat " RD, I've experienced the bias myself from

others in my profession. That's what prompted me to write the " Fat

Dietitian " article for Today's Dietitian a few years ago.

I hope that the study results doesn't deter people from seeking help from

RDs and I also hope that the study helps dietitians to be a bit more

introspective about what their feelings really are about fat people.

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

_http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon_

(http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon)

http://diaryofadiet ingdietitian. blogspot. com

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Interesting that you did not sign your post....I'm sure it was an

oversight. I'd appreciate a name to go with your opinion.

So you, like so many others, think that Jillian and the trim dietitians you

see at meetings are eating a healthy diet and exercising while the fat

ones are gorging on Mc's while watching The Biggest Loser on their TVs.

Sorry if that sounds harsh. I mean it to!

Your statement about wanting to look like Jillian and other trainers....we

could exercise and eat like Jillian and few if any of us would end up

looking like she looks!

Perhaps instead of focusing on how we look, we should focus on our general

health. Because isn't that what we're all about? You cannot make a judgment

about someone's diet, exercise patterns or health just by looking at her

girth. Guess what. Lots of thin people die every year from the same diseases

that afflict heavier people.

The research substantiates that many dietitians choose the career because

they have " issues " (and we're not talking about healthy issues) with food.

So presuming that thin dietitians are the healthy ones (both physically and

emotionally) and the fat dietitians are the unhealthy ones is taking your

personal observation pretty far away from scientific evidence.

As usual, we could beat this into the ground and still not come up with a

consensus. I hope this discussion got some of you to face your biases,

question how you treat other people and try to do a better job.

Oh, BTW...as long as there is no approved BMI for registration as a

dietitian and no weight recommendations for Standards of Practice, I think the

issue of who represents our profession should not be a part of the discussion!

S

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

(602) 751-4119

_http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon_'>http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon_

(http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon)

http://diaryofadietingdietitian.blogspot.com

In a message dated 5/3/2009 9:05:21 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

cubsfan_28512@... writes:

Why do you think so many people ask personal trainers for diet/nutrition

advice? Because they are fit/in shape! When you see someone like the trainer

Jillian on Biggest Loser, you are thinking - " What does she eat? How much

does she workout? " " I want to learn what she does so I can look like that! "

The last time I attended a state dietetic association conference, it was

embarrassing to our profession to see so many overweight/obese dietitians. I

sat in front of someone that could not even fit on one chair. We can't

keep telling the public that WE are the only ones that they should be getting

their nutrition advice from when we are not taking our own advice.

From: Dineright4aol (DOT) com <Dineright4aol (DOT) com>

Subject: Re: dietitians and weight bias - Yep, I'm biased

-discussion

To: rd-usayahoogroups (DOT) com

Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 10:26 AM

Thanks Sharon,

I think it's important to recognize that this study was of dietetic

students, not RDs.

Now, on a PERSONAL note.??

The article states: " More than 40 percent of students reported that they

believe obese individuals are lazy, lacking in willpower and are

self-indulgent. "

Well, I worked to keep my weight at around 120-125 pounds (I'm 5 " 4 " and

small boned) from 1984 to 1998. Making healthy choices, exercising 5 days a

week. Then I married my current husband in 1998 and am very happily married

and got fat and lazy!

I've also gained 25 pounds in those 10 years and frankly, the ONLY reason

I've gained them is because I've been " lazy, lacking in willpower ans

self-indulgent! " ? SERIOUSLY!? I've sat on my butt on the computer working all

day. Eating a lot more junk that my hubby brings home. (Even tho he's former

Marine and 6'6 " and 200# when we met? - He actually said I " was too

skinny " when we met (despite the fact that one of my jerk boyfriends prior to

him

thought I was out of shape!) and has never complained once about my wt

gain (I have).

So, I ADMIT! I'm biased -- based on my own personal experience of becoming

overweight, I don't think my personal experience is so unusual!? I have 3

sisters that also feel the same, personally, about their own weight ups and

downs.

To me, how can that be bias when it's my own personal truth?

Just some fodder for discussion.

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

PS. Thankfully, I'm back to swimming twice a week and inline skating 3-4

days a week the last month! No more lazy and back to halting further gain.

dietitians and weight bias

Please excuse the cross posting but I thought this was important enough to

fill up your mailboxes... .

_http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/

20090502dietetic050 2.html_

(http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/ 20090502dietetic 0502.html)

I haven't read the study but the article makes me very very sad. Of

course,

I know this is true. As a " fat " RD, I've experienced the bias myself from

others in my profession. That's what prompted me to write the " Fat

Dietitian " article for Today's Dietitian a few years ago.

I hope that the study results doesn't deter people from seeking help from

RDs and I also hope that the study helps dietitians to be a bit more

introspective about what their feelings really are about fat people.

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

_http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon_

(http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon)

http://diaryofadiet ingdietitian. blogspot. com

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[Guest guest]

Ladies (because only the ladies have commented thus far!),

Since the last 2 comments were bold and admittedly " harsh " , a discussion of this

topic may at times become passionate or personal (either from our own true

experiences or passionate-for-our-clients' plight). I think this very

discussion proves what most of us probably realize--the reasons for people being

overweight are varied, and we need to be careful to, as much as is possible, not

project our own experiences (professional or personal) onto everyone that we

meet or treat! Granted, our own personal (or professional) experiences will

very likely help certain (perhaps many) people as we may truly identify with

what is going on for them--I have had so many people " click " with me and be

successful because they felt I really and truly understood what they were

facing, but while there are generalities, there are also differences.

Don't get me wrong--I really appreciate hearing from everyone who has

contributed thus far--THIS is a great place to do this. Hopefully we all come

away learning more, not being angry or upset at someone else's contribution.

It's been good to hear from you gals on this,

Diane Preves, M.S., R.D.

N.E.W. LIFE (Nutrition, Exercise, Wellness for LIFE)

www.newlifeforhealth.com

dietitians and weight bias

Please excuse the cross posting but I thought this was important enough to

fill up your mailboxes... .

_http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/

20090502dietetic050 2.html_

(http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/ 20090502dietetic 0502.html)

I haven't read the study but the article makes me very very sad. Of

course,

I know this is true. As a " fat " RD, I've experienced the bias myself from

others in my profession. That's what prompted me to write the " Fat

Dietitian " article for Today's Dietitian a few years ago.

I hope that the study results doesn't deter people from seeking help from

RDs and I also hope that the study helps dietitians to be a bit more

introspective about what their feelings really are about fat people.

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

_http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon_

(http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon)

http://diaryofadiet ingdietitian. blogspot. com

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[Guest guest]

Ladies (because only the ladies have commented thus far!),

Since the last 2 comments were bold and admittedly " harsh " , a discussion of this

topic may at times become passionate or personal (either from our own true

experiences or passionate-for-our-clients' plight). I think this very

discussion proves what most of us probably realize--the reasons for people being

overweight are varied, and we need to be careful to, as much as is possible, not

project our own experiences (professional or personal) onto everyone that we

meet or treat! Granted, our own personal (or professional) experiences will

very likely help certain (perhaps many) people as we may truly identify with

what is going on for them--I have had so many people " click " with me and be

successful because they felt I really and truly understood what they were

facing, but while there are generalities, there are also differences.

Don't get me wrong--I really appreciate hearing from everyone who has

contributed thus far--THIS is a great place to do this. Hopefully we all come

away learning more, not being angry or upset at someone else's contribution.

It's been good to hear from you gals on this,

Diane Preves, M.S., R.D.

N.E.W. LIFE (Nutrition, Exercise, Wellness for LIFE)

www.newlifeforhealth.com

dietitians and weight bias

Please excuse the cross posting but I thought this was important enough to

fill up your mailboxes... .

_http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/

20090502dietetic050 2.html_

(http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/ 20090502dietetic 0502.html)

I haven't read the study but the article makes me very very sad. Of

course,

I know this is true. As a " fat " RD, I've experienced the bias myself from

others in my profession. That's what prompted me to write the " Fat

Dietitian " article for Today's Dietitian a few years ago.

I hope that the study results doesn't deter people from seeking help from

RDs and I also hope that the study helps dietitians to be a bit more

introspective about what their feelings really are about fat people.

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

_http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon_

(http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon)

http://diaryofadiet ingdietitian. blogspot. com

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the

web. Get the Radio Toolbar!

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Hi Sharon -

I do not " assume " anything about what someone puts in their mouth based on their

body type. I am well educated on the multifaceted causes of obesity and no, I do

not think that everyone gets fat by shoving Mcs in their mouth. I am just

saying that it is natural for a person who is trying to lose weight to look at

someone who is thin or has lost weight and want to do what they did. This is why

the public is looking to celebrities, personal trainers, etc to give them

nutrition advice instead of the RD. I never mentioned anything about who is

healthy and who is not and yes, I realize people of all sizes can have " issues "

with food. Just as people have a bias against fat, there is also a bias against

thin. When I lost my pregnancy weight, I heard comments from many people - even

RDs - that I must have an eating disorder since I was able to lose the weight so

quickly (I don't! And for the record it was 6 months of hard work!). It is sad

to me that the

thin dietitians are so often thought of as having food " issues " or eating

disorders, mostly by other dietitians. I think you need to look at your own

biases as well and where that is coming from. My point is that RDs should stop

whining and complaining that we are not the ones on Oprah when we are not

willing to do the hard work ourselves and set the example.

 

Olson, RD

From: Dineright4aol (DOT) com <Dineright4@ aol. com>

Subject: Re: dietitians and weight bias - Yep, I'm biased

-discussion

To: rd-usayahoogroups (DOT) com

Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 10:26 AM

Thanks Sharon,

I think it's important to recognize that this study was of dietetic

students, not RDs.

Now, on a PERSONAL note.??

The article states: " More than 40 percent of students reported that they

believe obese individuals are lazy, lacking in willpower and are

self-indulgent. "

Well, I worked to keep my weight at around 120-125 pounds (I'm 5 " 4 " and

small boned) from 1984 to 1998. Making healthy choices, exercising 5 days a

week. Then I married my current husband in 1998 and am very happily married

and got fat and lazy!

I've also gained 25 pounds in those 10 years and frankly, the ONLY reason

I've gained them is because I've been " lazy, lacking in willpower ans

self-indulgent! " ? SERIOUSLY!? I've sat on my butt on the computer working all

day. Eating a lot more junk that my hubby brings home. (Even tho he's former

Marine and 6'6 " and 200# when we met? - He actually said I " was too

skinny " when we met (despite the fact that one of my jerk boyfriends prior to

him

thought I was out of shape!) and has never complained once about my wt

gain (I have).

So, I ADMIT! I'm biased -- based on my own personal experience of becoming

overweight, I don't think my personal experience is so unusual!? I have 3

sisters that also feel the same, personally, about their own weight ups and

downs.

To me, how can that be bias when it's my own personal truth?

Just some fodder for discussion.

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

PS. Thankfully, I'm back to swimming twice a week and inline skating 3-4

days a week the last month! No more lazy and back to halting further gain.

dietitians and weight bias

Please excuse the cross posting but I thought this was important enough to

fill up your mailboxes... .

_http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/

20090502dietetic050 2.html_

(http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/ 20090502dietetic 0502.html)

I haven't read the study but the article makes me very very sad. Of

course,

I know this is true. As a " fat " RD, I've experienced the bias myself from

others in my profession. That's what prompted me to write the " Fat

Dietitian " article for Today's Dietitian a few years ago.

I hope that the study results doesn't deter people from seeking help from

RDs and I also hope that the study helps dietitians to be a bit more

introspective about what their feelings really are about fat people.

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

_http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon_

(http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon)

http://diaryofadiet ingdietitian. blogspot. com

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the

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Hi Sharon -

I do not " assume " anything about what someone puts in their mouth based on their

body type. I am well educated on the multifaceted causes of obesity and no, I do

not think that everyone gets fat by shoving Mcs in their mouth. I am just

saying that it is natural for a person who is trying to lose weight to look at

someone who is thin or has lost weight and want to do what they did. This is why

the public is looking to celebrities, personal trainers, etc to give them

nutrition advice instead of the RD. I never mentioned anything about who is

healthy and who is not and yes, I realize people of all sizes can have " issues "

with food. Just as people have a bias against fat, there is also a bias against

thin. When I lost my pregnancy weight, I heard comments from many people - even

RDs - that I must have an eating disorder since I was able to lose the weight so

quickly (I don't! And for the record it was 6 months of hard work!). It is sad

to me that the

thin dietitians are so often thought of as having food " issues " or eating

disorders, mostly by other dietitians. I think you need to look at your own

biases as well and where that is coming from. My point is that RDs should stop

whining and complaining that we are not the ones on Oprah when we are not

willing to do the hard work ourselves and set the example.

 

Olson, RD

From: Dineright4aol (DOT) com <Dineright4@ aol. com>

Subject: Re: dietitians and weight bias - Yep, I'm biased

-discussion

To: rd-usayahoogroups (DOT) com

Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 10:26 AM

Thanks Sharon,

I think it's important to recognize that this study was of dietetic

students, not RDs.

Now, on a PERSONAL note.??

The article states: " More than 40 percent of students reported that they

believe obese individuals are lazy, lacking in willpower and are

self-indulgent. "

Well, I worked to keep my weight at around 120-125 pounds (I'm 5 " 4 " and

small boned) from 1984 to 1998. Making healthy choices, exercising 5 days a

week. Then I married my current husband in 1998 and am very happily married

and got fat and lazy!

I've also gained 25 pounds in those 10 years and frankly, the ONLY reason

I've gained them is because I've been " lazy, lacking in willpower ans

self-indulgent! " ? SERIOUSLY!? I've sat on my butt on the computer working all

day. Eating a lot more junk that my hubby brings home. (Even tho he's former

Marine and 6'6 " and 200# when we met? - He actually said I " was too

skinny " when we met (despite the fact that one of my jerk boyfriends prior to

him

thought I was out of shape!) and has never complained once about my wt

gain (I have).

So, I ADMIT! I'm biased -- based on my own personal experience of becoming

overweight, I don't think my personal experience is so unusual!? I have 3

sisters that also feel the same, personally, about their own weight ups and

downs.

To me, how can that be bias when it's my own personal truth?

Just some fodder for discussion.

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

PS. Thankfully, I'm back to swimming twice a week and inline skating 3-4

days a week the last month! No more lazy and back to halting further gain.

dietitians and weight bias

Please excuse the cross posting but I thought this was important enough to

fill up your mailboxes... .

_http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/

20090502dietetic050 2.html_

(http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/ 20090502dietetic 0502.html)

I haven't read the study but the article makes me very very sad. Of

course,

I know this is true. As a " fat " RD, I've experienced the bias myself from

others in my profession. That's what prompted me to write the " Fat

Dietitian " article for Today's Dietitian a few years ago.

I hope that the study results doesn't deter people from seeking help from

RDs and I also hope that the study helps dietitians to be a bit more

introspective about what their feelings really are about fat people.

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

_http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon_

(http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon)

http://diaryofadiet ingdietitian. blogspot. com

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[Guest guest]

Olson's name appeared on the email she sent. It wasn't hidden. She

displayed courage by stating her views. It's not judgement; it's her opinion of

what the public sees when they look for nutrition counseling, health and fitness

advice.

Psychiatrists have to undergo psychotherapy, and I believe if dietitians, the

Nutrition Experts, have eating issues, maybe it wouldn't be such a bad thing if

we were required to receive counseling for those issues also. I think it would

be very helpful. Instead of so much CPU and Portfolio, perhaps our $$s would be

better spent handling our own issues, then actually looking like we are

nutrition experts.

Anyway, we're all entitled to having and expressing an opinion. Nobody is

entitled to being judged and ridiculed, and that is not the purpose of these

posts. I do believe that the profession as a whole has issues. Are we different

from other professions? No! we're not. However, unfortunately for us, we ARE the

food and nutrition experts, so what can we expect except to be judged by what is

perceived as being attractive in the society we live in, and what is known to

being healthy vs unhealthy?

And BTW - by the same token, don't assume that all thin people purge. I keep my

food down after eating, eat what I want mostly, in quantities and frequencyb

stisfying to me, am blessed with no weight problems, and cursed w elevated

cholesterol and HTN.

And yes, among my 30 plus RD and DTR staff, we're of all sizes and dimensions,

and very very accepting of those differences in each other.

Digna

dietitians and weight bias

Please excuse the cross posting but I thought this was important enough to

fill up your mailboxes... .

_http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/

20090502dietetic050 2.html_

(http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/ 20090502dietetic 0502.html)

I haven't read the study but the article makes me very very sad. Of

course,

I know this is true. As a " fat " RD, I've experienced the bias myself from

others in my profession. That's what prompted me to write the " Fat

Dietitian " article for Today's Dietitian a few years ago.

I hope that the study results doesn't deter people from seeking help from

RDs and I also hope that the study helps dietitians to be a bit more

introspective about what their feelings really are about fat people.

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

_http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon_

(http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon)

http://diaryofadiet ingdietitian. blogspot. com

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[Guest guest]

Olson's name appeared on the email she sent. It wasn't hidden. She

displayed courage by stating her views. It's not judgement; it's her opinion of

what the public sees when they look for nutrition counseling, health and fitness

advice.

Psychiatrists have to undergo psychotherapy, and I believe if dietitians, the

Nutrition Experts, have eating issues, maybe it wouldn't be such a bad thing if

we were required to receive counseling for those issues also. I think it would

be very helpful. Instead of so much CPU and Portfolio, perhaps our $$s would be

better spent handling our own issues, then actually looking like we are

nutrition experts.

Anyway, we're all entitled to having and expressing an opinion. Nobody is

entitled to being judged and ridiculed, and that is not the purpose of these

posts. I do believe that the profession as a whole has issues. Are we different

from other professions? No! we're not. However, unfortunately for us, we ARE the

food and nutrition experts, so what can we expect except to be judged by what is

perceived as being attractive in the society we live in, and what is known to

being healthy vs unhealthy?

And BTW - by the same token, don't assume that all thin people purge. I keep my

food down after eating, eat what I want mostly, in quantities and frequencyb

stisfying to me, am blessed with no weight problems, and cursed w elevated

cholesterol and HTN.

And yes, among my 30 plus RD and DTR staff, we're of all sizes and dimensions,

and very very accepting of those differences in each other.

Digna

dietitians and weight bias

Please excuse the cross posting but I thought this was important enough to

fill up your mailboxes... .

_http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/

20090502dietetic050 2.html_

(http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/ 20090502dietetic 0502.html)

I haven't read the study but the article makes me very very sad. Of

course,

I know this is true. As a " fat " RD, I've experienced the bias myself from

others in my profession. That's what prompted me to write the " Fat

Dietitian " article for Today's Dietitian a few years ago.

I hope that the study results doesn't deter people from seeking help from

RDs and I also hope that the study helps dietitians to be a bit more

introspective about what their feelings really are about fat people.

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

_http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon_

(http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon)

http://diaryofadiet ingdietitian. blogspot. com

************ **Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on

the

web. Get the Radio Toolbar!

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0003)

[Guest guest]

I just spoke with my daughter in law, she entered a figure contest yesterday and

won 3 trophies. Her BMI is about 16. IMHO she looks dreadful. She is thrilled at

her hard work with restricted diet and exercise.

 I  believe that a credible RD is one that looks healthy and can be

compassionate with the clients. I received a  call this morning from a woman who

remembered me from a few months ago when her husband died at my  LTC facility. I

barely remember her, but she remembered how supportive I was at the end of his

life.  That is what is important to me.

Madalyn Friedberg, RD CDN

________________________________

To: rd-usa

Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2009 12:23:33 PM

Subject: Re: dietitians and weight bias

Interesting that you did not sign your post....I'm sure it was an

oversight. I'd appreciate a name to go with your opinion.

So you, like so many others, think that Jillian and the trim dietitians you

see at meetings are eating a healthy diet and exercising while the fat

ones are gorging on Mc's while watching The Biggest Loser on their TVs.

Sorry if that sounds harsh. I mean it to!

Your statement about wanting to look like Jillian and other trainers.... we

could exercise and eat like Jillian and few if any of us would end up

looking like she looks!

Perhaps instead of focusing on how we look, we should focus on our general

health. Because isn't that what we're all about? You cannot make a judgment

about someone's diet, exercise patterns or health just by looking at her

girth. Guess what. Lots of thin people die every year from the same diseases

that afflict heavier people.

The research substantiates that many dietitians choose the career because

they have " issues " (and we're not talking about healthy issues) with food.

So presuming that thin dietitians are the healthy ones (both physically and

emotionally) and the fat dietitians are the unhealthy ones is taking your

personal observation pretty far away from scientific evidence.

As usual, we could beat this into the ground and still not come up with a

consensus. I hope this discussion got some of you to face your biases,

question how you treat other people and try to do a better job.

Oh, BTW...as long as there is no approved BMI for registration as a

dietitian and no weight recommendations for Standards of Practice, I think the

issue of who represents our profession should not be a part of the discussion!

S

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

_http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon_'>http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon_

(http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon)

http://diaryofadiet ingdietitian. blogspot. com

In a message dated 5/3/2009 9:05:21 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

cubsfan_28512@ yahoo.com writes:

Why do you think so many people ask personal trainers for diet/nutrition

advice? Because they are fit/in shape! When you see someone like the trainer

Jillian on Biggest Loser, you are thinking - " What does she eat? How much

does she workout? " " I want to learn what she does so I can look like that! "

The last time I attended a state dietetic association conference, it was

embarrassing to our profession to see so many overweight/obese dietitians. I

sat in front of someone that could not even fit on one chair. We can't

keep telling the public that WE are the only ones that they should be getting

their nutrition advice from when we are not taking our own advice.

From: Dineright4aol (DOT) com <Dineright4@ aol. com>

Subject: Re: dietitians and weight bias - Yep, I'm biased

-discussion

To: rd-usayahoogroups (DOT) com

Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 10:26 AM

Thanks Sharon,

I think it's important to recognize that this study was of dietetic

students, not RDs.

Now, on a PERSONAL note.??

The article states: " More than 40 percent of students reported that they

believe obese individuals are lazy, lacking in willpower and are

self-indulgent. "

Well, I worked to keep my weight at around 120-125 pounds (I'm 5 " 4 " and

small boned) from 1984 to 1998. Making healthy choices, exercising 5 days a

week. Then I married my current husband in 1998 and am very happily married

and got fat and lazy!

I've also gained 25 pounds in those 10 years and frankly, the ONLY reason

I've gained them is because I've been " lazy, lacking in willpower ans

self-indulgent! " ? SERIOUSLY!? I've sat on my butt on the computer working all

day. Eating a lot more junk that my hubby brings home. (Even tho he's former

Marine and 6'6 " and 200# when we met? - He actually said I " was too

skinny " when we met (despite the fact that one of my jerk boyfriends prior to

him

thought I was out of shape!) and has never complained once about my wt

gain (I have).

So, I ADMIT! I'm biased -- based on my own personal experience of becoming

overweight, I don't think my personal experience is so unusual!? I have 3

sisters that also feel the same, personally, about their own weight ups and

downs.

To me, how can that be bias when it's my own personal truth?

Just some fodder for discussion.

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

PS. Thankfully, I'm back to swimming twice a week and inline skating 3-4

days a week the last month! No more lazy and back to halting further gain.

dietitians and weight bias

Please excuse the cross posting but I thought this was important enough to

fill up your mailboxes... .

_http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/

20090502dietetic050 2.html_

(http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/ 20090502dietetic 0502.html)

I haven't read the study but the article makes me very very sad. Of

course,

I know this is true. As a " fat " RD, I've experienced the bias myself from

others in my profession. That's what prompted me to write the " Fat

Dietitian " article for Today's Dietitian a few years ago.

I hope that the study results doesn't deter people from seeking help from

RDs and I also hope that the study helps dietitians to be a bit more

introspective about what their feelings really are about fat people.

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

_http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon_

(http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon)

http://diaryofadiet ingdietitian. blogspot. com

************ **Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on

the

web. Get the Radio Toolbar!

(http://toolbar. aol.com/aolradio /download. html?ncid= emlcntusdown0000

0003)

[Guest guest]

I just spoke with my daughter in law, she entered a figure contest yesterday and

won 3 trophies. Her BMI is about 16. IMHO she looks dreadful. She is thrilled at

her hard work with restricted diet and exercise.

 I  believe that a credible RD is one that looks healthy and can be

compassionate with the clients. I received a  call this morning from a woman who

remembered me from a few months ago when her husband died at my  LTC facility. I

barely remember her, but she remembered how supportive I was at the end of his

life.  That is what is important to me.

Madalyn Friedberg, RD CDN

________________________________

To: rd-usa

Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2009 12:23:33 PM

Subject: Re: dietitians and weight bias

Interesting that you did not sign your post....I'm sure it was an

oversight. I'd appreciate a name to go with your opinion.

So you, like so many others, think that Jillian and the trim dietitians you

see at meetings are eating a healthy diet and exercising while the fat

ones are gorging on Mc's while watching The Biggest Loser on their TVs.

Sorry if that sounds harsh. I mean it to!

Your statement about wanting to look like Jillian and other trainers.... we

could exercise and eat like Jillian and few if any of us would end up

looking like she looks!

Perhaps instead of focusing on how we look, we should focus on our general

health. Because isn't that what we're all about? You cannot make a judgment

about someone's diet, exercise patterns or health just by looking at her

girth. Guess what. Lots of thin people die every year from the same diseases

that afflict heavier people.

The research substantiates that many dietitians choose the career because

they have " issues " (and we're not talking about healthy issues) with food.

So presuming that thin dietitians are the healthy ones (both physically and

emotionally) and the fat dietitians are the unhealthy ones is taking your

personal observation pretty far away from scientific evidence.

As usual, we could beat this into the ground and still not come up with a

consensus. I hope this discussion got some of you to face your biases,

question how you treat other people and try to do a better job.

Oh, BTW...as long as there is no approved BMI for registration as a

dietitian and no weight recommendations for Standards of Practice, I think the

issue of who represents our profession should not be a part of the discussion!

S

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

_http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon_'>http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon_

(http://www.linkedin.com/in/sharonsalomon)

http://diaryofadiet ingdietitian. blogspot. com

In a message dated 5/3/2009 9:05:21 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time,

cubsfan_28512@ yahoo.com writes:

Why do you think so many people ask personal trainers for diet/nutrition

advice? Because they are fit/in shape! When you see someone like the trainer

Jillian on Biggest Loser, you are thinking - " What does she eat? How much

does she workout? " " I want to learn what she does so I can look like that! "

The last time I attended a state dietetic association conference, it was

embarrassing to our profession to see so many overweight/obese dietitians. I

sat in front of someone that could not even fit on one chair. We can't

keep telling the public that WE are the only ones that they should be getting

their nutrition advice from when we are not taking our own advice.

From: Dineright4aol (DOT) com <Dineright4@ aol. com>

Subject: Re: dietitians and weight bias - Yep, I'm biased

-discussion

To: rd-usayahoogroups (DOT) com

Date: Saturday, May 2, 2009, 10:26 AM

Thanks Sharon,

I think it's important to recognize that this study was of dietetic

students, not RDs.

Now, on a PERSONAL note.??

The article states: " More than 40 percent of students reported that they

believe obese individuals are lazy, lacking in willpower and are

self-indulgent. "

Well, I worked to keep my weight at around 120-125 pounds (I'm 5 " 4 " and

small boned) from 1984 to 1998. Making healthy choices, exercising 5 days a

week. Then I married my current husband in 1998 and am very happily married

and got fat and lazy!

I've also gained 25 pounds in those 10 years and frankly, the ONLY reason

I've gained them is because I've been " lazy, lacking in willpower ans

self-indulgent! " ? SERIOUSLY!? I've sat on my butt on the computer working all

day. Eating a lot more junk that my hubby brings home. (Even tho he's former

Marine and 6'6 " and 200# when we met? - He actually said I " was too

skinny " when we met (despite the fact that one of my jerk boyfriends prior to

him

thought I was out of shape!) and has never complained once about my wt

gain (I have).

So, I ADMIT! I'm biased -- based on my own personal experience of becoming

overweight, I don't think my personal experience is so unusual!? I have 3

sisters that also feel the same, personally, about their own weight ups and

downs.

To me, how can that be bias when it's my own personal truth?

Just some fodder for discussion.

Jan Patenaude, RD, CLT

PS. Thankfully, I'm back to swimming twice a week and inline skating 3-4

days a week the last month! No more lazy and back to halting further gain.

dietitians and weight bias

Please excuse the cross posting but I thought this was important enough to

fill up your mailboxes... .

_http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/

20090502dietetic050 2.html_

(http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/ 20090502dietetic 0502.html)

I haven't read the study but the article makes me very very sad. Of

course,

I know this is true. As a " fat " RD, I've experienced the bias myself from

others in my profession. That's what prompted me to write the " Fat

Dietitian " article for Today's Dietitian a few years ago.

I hope that the study results doesn't deter people from seeking help from

RDs and I also hope that the study helps dietitians to be a bit more

introspective about what their feelings really are about fat people.

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

_http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon_

(http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon)

http://diaryofadiet ingdietitian. blogspot. com

************ **Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on

the

web. Get the Radio Toolbar!

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0003)

[Guest guest]

Digna,

How right you are. My SIL is a psychotherapist. She has so many psych issues

that get in the way of her relationships, parenting etc. So, it is not suprising

that RD's have food issues.

Madalyn

________________________________

To: rd-usa

Sent: Sunday, May 3, 2009 1:53:57 PM

Subject: Re: dietitians and weight bias

Olson's name appeared on the email she sent. It wasn't hidden. She

displayed courage by stating her views. It's not judgement; it's her opinion of

what the public sees when they look for nutrition counseling, health and fitness

advice.

Psychiatrists have to undergo psychotherapy, and I believe if dietitians, the

Nutrition Experts, have eating issues, maybe it wouldn't be such a bad thing if

we were required to receive counseling for those issues also. I think it would

be very helpful. Instead of so much CPU and Portfolio, perhaps our $$s would be

better spent handling our own issues, then actually looking like we are

nutrition experts.

Anyway, we're all entitled to having and expressing an opinion. Nobody is

entitled to being judged and ridiculed, and that is not the purpose of these

posts. I do believe that the profession as a whole has issues. Are we different

from other professions? No! we're not. However, unfortunately for us, we ARE the

food and nutrition experts, so what can we expect except to be judged by what is

perceived as being attractive in the society we live in, and what is known to

being healthy vs unhealthy?

And BTW - by the same token, don't assume that all thin people purge. I keep my

food down after eating, eat what I want mostly, in quantities and frequencyb

stisfying to me, am blessed with no weight problems, and cursed w elevated

cholesterol and HTN.

And yes, among my 30 plus RD and DTR staff, we're of all sizes and dimensions,

and very very accepting of those differences in each other.

Digna

dietitians and weight bias

Please excuse the cross posting but I thought this was important enough to

fill up your mailboxes... .

_http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/

20090502dietetic050 2.html_

(http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/ 20090502dietetic 0502.html)

I haven't read the study but the article makes me very very sad. Of

course,

I know this is true. As a " fat " RD, I've experienced the bias myself from

others in my profession. That's what prompted me to write the " Fat

Dietitian " article for Today's Dietitian a few years ago.

I hope that the study results doesn't deter people from seeking help from

RDs and I also hope that the study helps dietitians to be a bit more

introspective about what their feelings really are about fat people.

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

_http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon_

(http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon)

http://diaryofadiet ingdietitian. blogspot. com

************ **Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on

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[Guest guest]

I totally agree. None of us are perfect and we always have to check

ourselves to see if we are being biased one way or another. But the bottom

line is the relationship and rapport you build with people. Yes people judge

books by the cover all the time, but it is those who read the books that get

the real scoop. We need to see people as people, not products, not projects,

not stereotypes.

Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Madalyn Friedberg wrote:

> I believe that a credible RD is one that looks healthy and can be

> compassionate with the clients. I received a call this morning from a woman

> who remembered me from a few months ago when her husband died at my LTC

> facility. I barely remember her, but she remembered how supportive I was at

> the end of his life. That is what is important to me.

>

[Guest guest]

I totally agree. None of us are perfect and we always have to check

ourselves to see if we are being biased one way or another. But the bottom

line is the relationship and rapport you build with people. Yes people judge

books by the cover all the time, but it is those who read the books that get

the real scoop. We need to see people as people, not products, not projects,

not stereotypes.

Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Madalyn Friedberg wrote:

> I believe that a credible RD is one that looks healthy and can be

> compassionate with the clients. I received a call this morning from a woman

> who remembered me from a few months ago when her husband died at my LTC

> facility. I barely remember her, but she remembered how supportive I was at

> the end of his life. That is what is important to me.

>

[Guest guest]

Madalyn, if your DIL is vegan, could that explain her low BMI? One of my vegan

RDs who's a body builder has to eat about 3500 to 4500 calories a day just to

stay fit and healthy.

I remember so well when I was very thin! That wasn't even too long ago. I

thought I looked like a refugee or at death's door. No matter how much I ate I

could not put on the weight. I'm the only person I know that loses weight on

vacation! maybe mostly bc I'm a picky eater and the increased activity and less

calories cause that, but I don't really know why that is. As I've stated

before, now I like my weight, but it was hard work getting it there.

Digna

dietitians and weight bias

Please excuse the cross posting but I thought this was important enough to

fill up your mailboxes... .

_http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/

20090502dietetic050 2.html_

(http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/ 20090502dietetic 0502.html)

I haven't read the study but the article makes me very very sad. Of

course,

I know this is true. As a " fat " RD, I've experienced the bias myself from

others in my profession. That's what prompted me to write the " Fat

Dietitian " article for Today's Dietitian a few years ago.

I hope that the study results doesn't deter people from seeking help from

RDs and I also hope that the study helps dietitians to be a bit more

introspective about what their feelings really are about fat people.

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

_http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon_

(http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon)

http://diaryofadiet ingdietitian. blogspot. com

************ **Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on

the

web. Get the Radio Toolbar!

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0003)

[Guest guest]

Madalyn, if your DIL is vegan, could that explain her low BMI? One of my vegan

RDs who's a body builder has to eat about 3500 to 4500 calories a day just to

stay fit and healthy.

I remember so well when I was very thin! That wasn't even too long ago. I

thought I looked like a refugee or at death's door. No matter how much I ate I

could not put on the weight. I'm the only person I know that loses weight on

vacation! maybe mostly bc I'm a picky eater and the increased activity and less

calories cause that, but I don't really know why that is. As I've stated

before, now I like my weight, but it was hard work getting it there.

Digna

dietitians and weight bias

Please excuse the cross posting but I thought this was important enough to

fill up your mailboxes... .

_http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/

20090502dietetic050 2.html_

(http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/ 20090502dietetic 0502.html)

I haven't read the study but the article makes me very very sad. Of

course,

I know this is true. As a " fat " RD, I've experienced the bias myself from

others in my profession. That's what prompted me to write the " Fat

Dietitian " article for Today's Dietitian a few years ago.

I hope that the study results doesn't deter people from seeking help from

RDs and I also hope that the study helps dietitians to be a bit more

introspective about what their feelings really are about fat people.

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

_http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon_

(http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon)

http://diaryofadiet ingdietitian. blogspot. com

************ **Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on

the

web. Get the Radio Toolbar!

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0003)

[Guest guest]

That's right, Madalyn, and I believe it's really necessary to face those issues

and talk about them openly instead of pretending they're not there.

Unfortunately the weight issue is painful for so many people bc of all the

reasons we know already, so it's difficult to discuss them. Digna

dietitians and weight bias

Please excuse the cross posting but I thought this was important enough to

fill up your mailboxes... .

_http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/

20090502dietetic050 2.html_

(http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/ 20090502dietetic 0502.html)

I haven't read the study but the article makes me very very sad. Of

course,

I know this is true. As a " fat " RD, I've experienced the bias myself from

others in my profession. That's what prompted me to write the " Fat

Dietitian " article for Today's Dietitian a few years ago.

I hope that the study results doesn't deter people from seeking help from

RDs and I also hope that the study helps dietitians to be a bit more

introspective about what their feelings really are about fat people.

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

_http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon_

(http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon)

http://diaryofadiet ingdietitian. blogspot. com

************ **Access 350+ FREE radio stations anytime from anywhere on

the

web. Get the Radio Toolbar!

(http://toolbar. aol.com/aolradio /download. html?ncid= emlcntusdown0000

0003)

[Guest guest]

That's right, Madalyn, and I believe it's really necessary to face those issues

and talk about them openly instead of pretending they're not there.

Unfortunately the weight issue is painful for so many people bc of all the

reasons we know already, so it's difficult to discuss them. Digna

dietitians and weight bias

Please excuse the cross posting but I thought this was important enough to

fill up your mailboxes... .

_http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/

20090502dietetic050 2.html_

(http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/ 20090502dietetic 0502.html)

I haven't read the study but the article makes me very very sad. Of

course,

I know this is true. As a " fat " RD, I've experienced the bias myself from

others in my profession. That's what prompted me to write the " Fat

Dietitian " article for Today's Dietitian a few years ago.

I hope that the study results doesn't deter people from seeking help from

RDs and I also hope that the study helps dietitians to be a bit more

introspective about what their feelings really are about fat people.

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

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That's right, Madalyn, and I believe it's really necessary to face those issues

and talk about them openly instead of pretending they're not there.

Unfortunately the weight issue is painful for so many people bc of all the

reasons we know already, so it's difficult to discuss them. Digna

dietitians and weight bias

Please excuse the cross posting but I thought this was important enough to

fill up your mailboxes... .

_http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/

20090502dietetic050 2.html_

(http://www.azcentra l.com/arizonarep ublic/arizonaliv ing/articles/

2009/05/02/ 20090502dietetic 0502.html)

I haven't read the study but the article makes me very very sad. Of

course,

I know this is true. As a " fat " RD, I've experienced the bias myself from

others in my profession. That's what prompted me to write the " Fat

Dietitian " article for Today's Dietitian a few years ago.

I hope that the study results doesn't deter people from seeking help from

RDs and I also hope that the study helps dietitians to be a bit more

introspective about what their feelings really are about fat people.

Sharon Salomon, M.S., R.D.

1924 East Flynn Lane

Phoenix, AZ

_http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon_

(http://www.linkedin .com/in/sharonsa lomon)

http://diaryofadiet ingdietitian. blogspot. com

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[Guest guest]

To take this one step further. If we were in the movies or TV, we'd be expected

to look a certain way when we step out doing business. If we were models, we'd

be expected to fit the image of a model that the public has. Business people are

expected to wear business clothes and " look professional " , meaning a suit, ties

for men, groomed hair, etc. If we were surfers we'd be expected to have long

hair, a deep tan, a fine physique and wear flip-flops and swim suits. Rapport or

not, if I am advising someone on how to be fit, healthy, and lose weight, I'd

better not be overweight or they won't have any faith in me or want to pay for

my advise. I think it's stands to reason. Depending on what we do, we really

need to at least look and act the part to be credible. Getting past the

appearances is the first step.

Not many people have the opportunity to work with real disfigurement. I have, in

the past, when working with the DD population. Loving a deformend or malformed

person is difficult for most people, but it's a sign of true love. What does it

take to stop looking at the appearance and start looking into that person's

soul?

Some things just are the way they are, it's up to us to try and change them and

make them better.

Digna

Re: dietitians and weight bias

I totally agree. None of us are perfect and we always have to check

ourselves to see if we are being biased one way or another. But the bottom

line is the relationship and rapport you build with people. Yes people judge

books by the cover all the time, but it is those who read the books that get

the real scoop. We need to see people as people, not products, not projects,

not stereotypes.

Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Madalyn Friedberg wrote:

> I believe that a credible RD is one that looks healthy and can be

> compassionate with the clients. I received a call this morning from a woman

> who remembered me from a few months ago when her husband died at my LTC

> facility. I barely remember her, but she remembered how supportive I was at

> the end of his life. That is what is important to me.

>

[Guest guest]

To take this one step further. If we were in the movies or TV, we'd be expected

to look a certain way when we step out doing business. If we were models, we'd

be expected to fit the image of a model that the public has. Business people are

expected to wear business clothes and " look professional " , meaning a suit, ties

for men, groomed hair, etc. If we were surfers we'd be expected to have long

hair, a deep tan, a fine physique and wear flip-flops and swim suits. Rapport or

not, if I am advising someone on how to be fit, healthy, and lose weight, I'd

better not be overweight or they won't have any faith in me or want to pay for

my advise. I think it's stands to reason. Depending on what we do, we really

need to at least look and act the part to be credible. Getting past the

appearances is the first step.

Not many people have the opportunity to work with real disfigurement. I have, in

the past, when working with the DD population. Loving a deformend or malformed

person is difficult for most people, but it's a sign of true love. What does it

take to stop looking at the appearance and start looking into that person's

soul?

Some things just are the way they are, it's up to us to try and change them and

make them better.

Digna

Re: dietitians and weight bias

I totally agree. None of us are perfect and we always have to check

ourselves to see if we are being biased one way or another. But the bottom

line is the relationship and rapport you build with people. Yes people judge

books by the cover all the time, but it is those who read the books that get

the real scoop. We need to see people as people, not products, not projects,

not stereotypes.

Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Madalyn Friedberg wrote:

> I believe that a credible RD is one that looks healthy and can be

> compassionate with the clients. I received a call this morning from a woman

> who remembered me from a few months ago when her husband died at my LTC

> facility. I barely remember her, but she remembered how supportive I was at

> the end of his life. That is what is important to me.

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with you on some points, but on others I disagree. It really depends

on what a person is looking for. If they are looking to have a model figure,

don't want to look like they did in their 20s. As for the rapport, I was

talking more about how we perceive our clients and others. Not how others

perceive RDs.

Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Digna Cassens

wrote:

>

>

> To take this one step further. If we were in the movies or TV, we'd be

> expected to look a certain way when we step out doing business. If we were

> models, we'd be expected to fit the image of a model that the public has.

> Business people are expected to wear business clothes and " look

> professional " , meaning a suit, ties for men, groomed hair, etc. If we were

> surfers we'd be expected to have long hair, a deep tan, a fine physique and

> wear flip-flops and swim suits. Rapport or not, if I am advising someone on

> how to be fit, healthy, and lose weight, I'd better not be overweight or

> they won't have any faith in me or want to pay for my advise. I think it's

> stands to reason. Depending on what we do, we really need to at least look

> and act the part to be credible. Getting past the appearances is the first

> step.

>

> Not many people have the opportunity to work with real disfigurement. I

> have, in the past, when working with the DD population. Loving a deformend

> or malformed person is difficult for most people, but it's a sign of true

> love. What does it take to stop looking at the appearance and start looking

> into that person's soul?

>

> Some things just are the way they are, it's up to us to try and change them

> and make them better.

>

> Digna

>

> Re: dietitians and weight bias

>

> I totally agree. None of us are perfect and we always have to check

> ourselves to see if we are being biased one way or another. But the bottom

> line is the relationship and rapport you build with people. Yes people

> judge

> books by the cover all the time, but it is those who read the books that

> get

> the real scoop. We need to see people as people, not products, not

> projects,

> not stereotypes.

>

> Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

> http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

> http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

>

> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Madalyn Friedberg

<mffrd10019@...<mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

> >wrote:

>

> > I believe that a credible RD is one that looks healthy and can be

> > compassionate with the clients. I received a call this morning from a

> woman

> > who remembered me from a few months ago when her husband died at my LTC

> > facility. I barely remember her, but she remembered how supportive I was

> at

> > the end of his life. That is what is important to me.

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with you on some points, but on others I disagree. It really depends

on what a person is looking for. If they are looking to have a model figure,

don't want to look like they did in their 20s. As for the rapport, I was

talking more about how we perceive our clients and others. Not how others

perceive RDs.

Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Digna Cassens

wrote:

>

>

> To take this one step further. If we were in the movies or TV, we'd be

> expected to look a certain way when we step out doing business. If we were

> models, we'd be expected to fit the image of a model that the public has.

> Business people are expected to wear business clothes and " look

> professional " , meaning a suit, ties for men, groomed hair, etc. If we were

> surfers we'd be expected to have long hair, a deep tan, a fine physique and

> wear flip-flops and swim suits. Rapport or not, if I am advising someone on

> how to be fit, healthy, and lose weight, I'd better not be overweight or

> they won't have any faith in me or want to pay for my advise. I think it's

> stands to reason. Depending on what we do, we really need to at least look

> and act the part to be credible. Getting past the appearances is the first

> step.

>

> Not many people have the opportunity to work with real disfigurement. I

> have, in the past, when working with the DD population. Loving a deformend

> or malformed person is difficult for most people, but it's a sign of true

> love. What does it take to stop looking at the appearance and start looking

> into that person's soul?

>

> Some things just are the way they are, it's up to us to try and change them

> and make them better.

>

> Digna

>

> Re: dietitians and weight bias

>

> I totally agree. None of us are perfect and we always have to check

> ourselves to see if we are being biased one way or another. But the bottom

> line is the relationship and rapport you build with people. Yes people

> judge

> books by the cover all the time, but it is those who read the books that

> get

> the real scoop. We need to see people as people, not products, not

> projects,

> not stereotypes.

>

> Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

> http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

> http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

>

> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Madalyn Friedberg

<mffrd10019@...<mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

> >wrote:

>

> > I believe that a credible RD is one that looks healthy and can be

> > compassionate with the clients. I received a call this morning from a

> woman

> > who remembered me from a few months ago when her husband died at my LTC

> > facility. I barely remember her, but she remembered how supportive I was

> at

> > the end of his life. That is what is important to me.

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with you on some points, but on others I disagree. It really depends

on what a person is looking for. If they are looking to have a model figure,

don't want to look like they did in their 20s. As for the rapport, I was

talking more about how we perceive our clients and others. Not how others

perceive RDs.

Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Digna Cassens

wrote:

>

>

> To take this one step further. If we were in the movies or TV, we'd be

> expected to look a certain way when we step out doing business. If we were

> models, we'd be expected to fit the image of a model that the public has.

> Business people are expected to wear business clothes and " look

> professional " , meaning a suit, ties for men, groomed hair, etc. If we were

> surfers we'd be expected to have long hair, a deep tan, a fine physique and

> wear flip-flops and swim suits. Rapport or not, if I am advising someone on

> how to be fit, healthy, and lose weight, I'd better not be overweight or

> they won't have any faith in me or want to pay for my advise. I think it's

> stands to reason. Depending on what we do, we really need to at least look

> and act the part to be credible. Getting past the appearances is the first

> step.

>

> Not many people have the opportunity to work with real disfigurement. I

> have, in the past, when working with the DD population. Loving a deformend

> or malformed person is difficult for most people, but it's a sign of true

> love. What does it take to stop looking at the appearance and start looking

> into that person's soul?

>

> Some things just are the way they are, it's up to us to try and change them

> and make them better.

>

> Digna

>

> Re: dietitians and weight bias

>

> I totally agree. None of us are perfect and we always have to check

> ourselves to see if we are being biased one way or another. But the bottom

> line is the relationship and rapport you build with people. Yes people

> judge

> books by the cover all the time, but it is those who read the books that

> get

> the real scoop. We need to see people as people, not products, not

> projects,

> not stereotypes.

>

> Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

> http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

> http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

>

> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Madalyn Friedberg

<mffrd10019@...<mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

> >wrote:

>

> > I believe that a credible RD is one that looks healthy and can be

> > compassionate with the clients. I received a call this morning from a

> woman

> > who remembered me from a few months ago when her husband died at my LTC

> > facility. I barely remember her, but she remembered how supportive I was

> at

> > the end of his life. That is what is important to me.

> >

>

>

[Guest guest]

oops, I ended up cutting more out than I thought I did. This doesn't make

any sense. I'll try to explain later.

Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 9:15 PM, Renata Oliveira Mangrum <

nurturingnotes@...> wrote:

> I agree with you on some points, but on others I disagree. It really

> depends on what a person is looking for. If they are looking to have a model

> figure, don't want to look like they did in their 20s. As for the rapport, I

> was talking more about how we perceive our clients and others. Not how

> others perceive RDs.

>

> Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

> http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

> http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

> http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

>

>

> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:58 PM, Digna Cassens <dignacassens@...

> > wrote:

>

>>

>>

>> To take this one step further. If we were in the movies or TV, we'd be

>> expected to look a certain way when we step out doing business. If we were

>> models, we'd be expected to fit the image of a model that the public has.

>> Business people are expected to wear business clothes and " look

>> professional " , meaning a suit, ties for men, groomed hair, etc. If we were

>> surfers we'd be expected to have long hair, a deep tan, a fine physique and

>> wear flip-flops and swim suits. Rapport or not, if I am advising someone on

>> how to be fit, healthy, and lose weight, I'd better not be overweight or

>> they won't have any faith in me or want to pay for my advise. I think it's

>> stands to reason. Depending on what we do, we really need to at least look

>> and act the part to be credible. Getting past the appearances is the first

>> step.

>>

>> Not many people have the opportunity to work with real disfigurement. I

>> have, in the past, when working with the DD population. Loving a deformend

>> or malformed person is difficult for most people, but it's a sign of true

>> love. What does it take to stop looking at the appearance and start looking

>> into that person's soul?

>>

>> Some things just are the way they are, it's up to us to try and change

>> them and make them better.

>>

>> Digna

>>

>> Re: dietitians and weight bias

>>

>> I totally agree. None of us are perfect and we always have to check

>> ourselves to see if we are being biased one way or another. But the bottom

>> line is the relationship and rapport you build with people. Yes people

>> judge

>> books by the cover all the time, but it is those who read the books that

>> get

>> the real scoop. We need to see people as people, not products, not

>> projects,

>> not stereotypes.

>>

>> Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

>> http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

>> http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

>>

>> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Madalyn Friedberg

<mffrd10019@...<mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

>> >wrote:

>>

>> > I believe that a credible RD is one that looks healthy and can be

>> > compassionate with the clients. I received a call this morning from a

>> woman

>> > who remembered me from a few months ago when her husband died at my LTC

>> > facility. I barely remember her, but she remembered how supportive I was

>> at

>> > the end of his life. That is what is important to me.

>> >

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

I think I understand the gist. D

Re: dietitians and weight bias

>>

>> I totally agree. None of us are perfect and we always have to check

>> ourselves to see if we are being biased one way or another. But the bottom

>> line is the relationship and rapport you build with people. Yes people

>> judge

>> books by the cover all the time, but it is those who read the books that

>> get

>> the real scoop. We need to see people as people, not products, not

>> projects,

>> not stereotypes.

>>

>> Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

>> http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

>> http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

>>

>> On Sun, May 3, 2009 at 8:13 PM, Madalyn Friedberg

<mffrd10019@...<mffrd10019%40yahoo.com>

>> >wrote:

>>

>> > I believe that a credible RD is one that looks healthy and can be

>> > compassionate with the clients. I received a call this morning from a

>> woman

>> > who remembered me from a few months ago when her husband died at my LTC

>> > facility. I barely remember her, but she remembered how supportive I was

>> at

>> > the end of his life. That is what is important to me.

>> >

>>

>>