Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 I'm still confused why we want our pituitary to scream for thyroid hormone. The only thing that makes sense to me is to satisfy that pituitary by giving it what it wants. Am I missing something? in AZ Mom to Kayla(10), Jenna(8), (8), (6), (6), (5), Junie(3) and Jillian (12 mo) http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Arizona_Thyroid_Groups/ > New doc says she likes to see a TSH between 1-2 along with a FreeT3 test. > Now I'm scared. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 10, 2004 Report Share Posted January 10, 2004 Hi , , and EveryOne, Yes! we learn the most by watching and learning from our own experiences and sharing them with each other:-)) I agree that it doesn't make sense to keep the pituitary gland working to secrete TSH to demand thyroid hormone from a gland that can't produce it. . Perhaps the idea of keeping the TSH secreting a little bit is that it will stimulate the thyroid gland, for those who have one, and keep it from giving out or being surpressed entirely. Unfortuntately, having too low a dose of thyroid hormone doesn't seem to cause the thyroid gland to secrete the rest of what is needed. A low amount of replacement hormone just seems to turn off the thyroid gland -leaving the person feeling lousy. Replacing the thyroid hormone and in sufficient amounts!!! seems to be the only way to return a person who is hypothyroid to feeling well again. I have often read that the adrenals try to make up for the lack of thyorid hormone in hypothyroid people. IMHO it is the adrenal fatigue, often along with hypothyroid, which causes or contributes to hypoglycemia and the craving for carbs for quick energy including sugars, and in some people alcohol. One of the things I noticed when I added Isocort was that any tendency I had to hypoglycemia seemed to even out. I have never been a sugar freak, sugar makes me sick after I eat very much of it, I get a real low feeling, so I avoid it except birthday cakes or similar special occasions. Sugar is also as addicting as alcohol and for the same reason....a direct hit of energy to the brain. Perhaps as you said, the bodies attempt to get the energy it needs. I've often wondered in researching all of this if there is any way to get the sluggish thyroid working again, just like the fatigued adrenals by substituting the thyroid hormone for awhile and then gradually withdrawing it just like we do with the cortef and hope that the gland will work? I still am wondering if either my thyroid or adrenals will ever work well enough again without adding thyroid and adrenal hormones from outside sources. Maybe not, but I would sure rather take help from outside and feel better than not take it and make my body suffer in every way without enough hormone. We can't go back, we can only go forward.............. Keep your thinker thinking!!! Peace, Love and Harmony, Bev Thyroid-Adrenal Connection: Information and Resources http://www.bestweb.net/~om/thyroid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 11, 2004 Report Share Posted January 11, 2004 I've wondered about that too, Bev.... about whether or not the thyroid can repair itself.... Over the three years before I found a source to buy Naturals OTC I was on little or no synthetic... first I was getting left over tabs from friends and family... when they were no longer getting adjustments and no longer had left over tabs of the incorrect dose.. then I went on line and started finding folks that also had leftover tabs.... I finally reached a point where I was taking only 25 mcg of Synthroid 1 morning a week (Fridays). That was when I found Nutri-Meds and a friend loaned me the money to buy the first bottle... But the point, those three years on little or no meds... My thyroid didn't do squat.. but that would be 'normal' for me, considering that I had RAI that killed mine off... Obviously all of it.... During those three years I went further and further down... respiration was down to 10 a minute and voluntary, pulse rate only 50... if I decided not to breathe I would just stop inhaling and sit there for a few minutes and then decide to start again.... I could sit in a chair and just stare at the wall... not moving, not thinking.. just sitting.. breathing... I would burn my hands cooking, and not even feel it until the blister formed and it felt funny picking something up. I could go outside, barefoot, in the snow and get the paper or mail.. and not feel it. My nails didn't grow, my hair didn't grow, I got elephant hide for skin. My bowels didnt' work...just a myriad of things as my body just started turning stuff off. I have to leave this place now.... Anyway... It's my understanding that if the thyroid is pooped out it's possible to aid it's recovery.. but most folks are suffering from some type of a disease.. most often, it seems it's either Hashi's or chemical damage. With the Hashi's it's a matter of time before it burns itself out... but the chemical/environmental damage stuff.... maybe the thyroid is just too delicate to be able to recover... It's a gland that seems to trickle out hormone, for the most part.. where the adrenal is a gland that stores up hormone and is designed to work in spurts..... so part of it's cycle is down/rest time... I wish that we could be involved in research projects on thyroid and adrenal... we have the insight to KNOW what issues are important.... The last study I read only checked TSH and other non essential things... I don't remember reading much, if anything, about how the test subjects FELT... and we all know that labs are only a guideline.. the bottom line is whether or not the symptoms are lessening or going away! Topper () On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:04:12 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) " *~ OM ~* " writes: > Hi , , and EveryOne, > > Yes! we learn the most by watching and learning from our own > experiences and > sharing them with each other:-)) > > I agree that it doesn't make sense to keep the pituitary gland > working to > secrete TSH to demand thyroid hormone from a gland that can't > produce it. . > Perhaps the idea of keeping the TSH secreting a little bit is that > it will > stimulate the thyroid gland, for those who have one, and keep it > from giving > out or being surpressed entirely. Unfortuntately, having too low a > dose of > thyroid hormone doesn't seem to cause the thyroid gland to secrete > the rest > of what is needed. A low amount of replacement hormone just seems to > turn > off the thyroid gland -leaving the person feeling lousy. Replacing > the > thyroid hormone and in sufficient amounts!!! seems to be the only > way to > return a person who is hypothyroid to feeling well again. > > I have often read that the adrenals try to make up for the lack of > thyorid > hormone in hypothyroid people. IMHO it is the adrenal fatigue, often > along > with hypothyroid, which causes or contributes to hypoglycemia and > the > craving for carbs for quick energy including sugars, and in some > people > alcohol. One of the things I noticed when I added Isocort was that > any > tendency I had to hypoglycemia seemed to even out. I have never been > a sugar > freak, sugar makes me sick after I eat very much of it, I get a real > low > feeling, so I avoid it except birthday cakes or similar special > occasions. > Sugar is also as addicting as alcohol and for the same reason....a > direct > hit of energy to the brain. Perhaps as you said, the bodies attempt > to get > the energy it needs. > > I've often wondered in researching all of this if there is any way > to get > the sluggish thyroid working again, just like the fatigued adrenals > by > substituting the thyroid hormone for awhile and then gradually > withdrawing > it just like we do with the cortef and hope that the gland will > work? I > still am wondering if either my thyroid or adrenals will ever work > well > enough again without adding thyroid and adrenal hormones from > outside > sources. Maybe not, but I would sure rather take help from outside > and feel > better than not take it and make my body suffer in every way without > enough > hormone. We can't go back, we can only go forward.............. > > Keep your thinker thinking!!! > > Peace, Love and Harmony, > Bev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 12, 2004 Report Share Posted January 12, 2004 I dont' believe that a very badly damaged thyroid can completely repair itself no matter what. I think it depends on the condition, the person and how dedicated they are to doing what ever it takes diet/supplement - wise to repair that thyroid. Patti (just my 2 cents) : ) Re: TSH 1-2 I've wondered about that too, Bev.... about whether or not the thyroid can repair itself.... Over the three years before I found a source to buy Naturals OTC I was on little or no synthetic... first I was getting left over tabs from friends and family... when they were no longer getting adjustments and no longer had left over tabs of the incorrect dose.. then I went on line and started finding folks that also had leftover tabs.... I finally reached a point where I was taking only 25 mcg of Synthroid 1 morning a week (Fridays). That was when I found Nutri-Meds and a friend loaned me the money to buy the first bottle... But the point, those three years on little or no meds... My thyroid didn't do squat.. but that would be 'normal' for me, considering that I had RAI that killed mine off... Obviously all of it.... During those three years I went further and further down... respiration was down to 10 a minute and voluntary, pulse rate only 50... if I decided not to breathe I would just stop inhaling and sit there for a few minutes and then decide to start again.... I could sit in a chair and just stare at the wall... not moving, not thinking.. just sitting.. breathing... I would burn my hands cooking, and not even feel it until the blister formed and it felt funny picking something up. I could go outside, barefoot, in the snow and get the paper or mail.. and not feel it. My nails didn't grow, my hair didn't grow, I got elephant hide for skin. My bowels didnt' work...just a myriad of things as my body just started turning stuff off. I have to leave this place now.... Anyway... It's my understanding that if the thyroid is pooped out it's possible to aid it's recovery.. but most folks are suffering from some type of a disease.. most often, it seems it's either Hashi's or chemical damage. With the Hashi's it's a matter of time before it burns itself out... but the chemical/environmental damage stuff.... maybe the thyroid is just too delicate to be able to recover... It's a gland that seems to trickle out hormone, for the most part.. where the adrenal is a gland that stores up hormone and is designed to work in spurts..... so part of it's cycle is down/rest time... I wish that we could be involved in research projects on thyroid and adrenal... we have the insight to KNOW what issues are important.... The last study I read only checked TSH and other non essential things... I don't remember reading much, if anything, about how the test subjects FELT... and we all know that labs are only a guideline.. the bottom line is whether or not the symptoms are lessening or going away! Topper () On Sun, 11 Jan 2004 00:04:12 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) " *~ OM ~* " writes: > Hi , , and EveryOne, > > Yes! we learn the most by watching and learning from our own > experiences and > sharing them with each other:-)) > > I agree that it doesn't make sense to keep the pituitary gland > working to > secrete TSH to demand thyroid hormone from a gland that can't > produce it. . > Perhaps the idea of keeping the TSH secreting a little bit is that > it will > stimulate the thyroid gland, for those who have one, and keep it > from giving > out or being surpressed entirely. Unfortuntately, having too low a > dose of > thyroid hormone doesn't seem to cause the thyroid gland to secrete > the rest > of what is needed. A low amount of replacement hormone just seems to > turn > off the thyroid gland -leaving the person feeling lousy. Replacing > the > thyroid hormone and in sufficient amounts!!! seems to be the only > way to > return a person who is hypothyroid to feeling well again. > > I have often read that the adrenals try to make up for the lack of > thyorid > hormone in hypothyroid people. IMHO it is the adrenal fatigue, often > along > with hypothyroid, which causes or contributes to hypoglycemia and > the > craving for carbs for quick energy including sugars, and in some > people > alcohol. One of the things I noticed when I added Isocort was that > any > tendency I had to hypoglycemia seemed to even out. I have never been > a sugar > freak, sugar makes me sick after I eat very much of it, I get a real > low > feeling, so I avoid it except birthday cakes or similar special > occasions. > Sugar is also as addicting as alcohol and for the same reason....a > direct > hit of energy to the brain. Perhaps as you said, the bodies attempt > to get > the energy it needs. > > I've often wondered in researching all of this if there is any way > to get > the sluggish thyroid working again, just like the fatigued adrenals > by > substituting the thyroid hormone for awhile and then gradually > withdrawing > it just like we do with the cortef and hope that the gland will > work? I > still am wondering if either my thyroid or adrenals will ever work > well > enough again without adding thyroid and adrenal hormones from > outside > sources. Maybe not, but I would sure rather take help from outside > and feel > better than not take it and make my body suffer in every way without > enough > hormone. We can't go back, we can only go forward.............. > > Keep your thinker thinking!!! > > Peace, Love and Harmony, > Bev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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