Re: discouraged and whining

[Guest guest]

Kat,

I am feeling exactly this same way. I have been five days now just trying to get

rec for lab test. Doc sent one for test today and it will not open on my

computer. He is not available now. One day at a time can be so...difficult. I

hear you.

Frannie

discouraged and whining

Hi all, I just need to vent, I think. I am so discouraged that I am

not feeling better and just feeling stuck. I ahve been on Armour for

6 wks now, feeling no difference at this point. I am on 1 1/4 grains

Armour right now. I know that the dosage needs to be increased, but

I just don't have the motivation to do anything about it. I am

suppose to go back to the doc on Feb 4 and I expect that my meds will

be increased at that point, but in the meantime I just feel like

crap. I want to call the doc and say....I need to come now, I need

an increase now, but again, just don't have the motivation. Maybe it

is because I am afraid he will just say no. I know many people here

have had years upon years of dealing with this...getting meds

right...I don't know, just feeling bummed and nowhere to turn

really. Thanks for listening......Kat

[Guest guest]

Kat,

I am feeling exactly this same way. I have been five days now just trying to get

rec for lab test. Doc sent one for test today and it will not open on my

computer. He is not available now. One day at a time can be so...difficult. I

hear you.

Frannie

discouraged and whining

Hi all, I just need to vent, I think. I am so discouraged that I am

not feeling better and just feeling stuck. I ahve been on Armour for

6 wks now, feeling no difference at this point. I am on 1 1/4 grains

Armour right now. I know that the dosage needs to be increased, but

I just don't have the motivation to do anything about it. I am

suppose to go back to the doc on Feb 4 and I expect that my meds will

be increased at that point, but in the meantime I just feel like

crap. I want to call the doc and say....I need to come now, I need

an increase now, but again, just don't have the motivation. Maybe it

is because I am afraid he will just say no. I know many people here

have had years upon years of dealing with this...getting meds

right...I don't know, just feeling bummed and nowhere to turn

really. Thanks for listening......Kat

[Guest guest]

Kat,

I am feeling exactly this same way. I have been five days now just trying to get

rec for lab test. Doc sent one for test today and it will not open on my

computer. He is not available now. One day at a time can be so...difficult. I

hear you.

Frannie

discouraged and whining

Hi all, I just need to vent, I think. I am so discouraged that I am

not feeling better and just feeling stuck. I ahve been on Armour for

6 wks now, feeling no difference at this point. I am on 1 1/4 grains

Armour right now. I know that the dosage needs to be increased, but

I just don't have the motivation to do anything about it. I am

suppose to go back to the doc on Feb 4 and I expect that my meds will

be increased at that point, but in the meantime I just feel like

crap. I want to call the doc and say....I need to come now, I need

an increase now, but again, just don't have the motivation. Maybe it

is because I am afraid he will just say no. I know many people here

have had years upon years of dealing with this...getting meds

right...I don't know, just feeling bummed and nowhere to turn

really. Thanks for listening......Kat

[Guest guest]

My husband and I feel the same way. We have been on Armour for about 10 weeks

and are not feeling anything yet. I am on 180mg and he is on 150mg. We are

increasing by 30mg every two weeks and have just added Isocort and DHEA this

weekend. We are just tired all the time, irritable, and no motivation. The

hard thing is he is out of work and has nothing to lend to the search for work.

We are just trying to hang in there as I can't see anything else to do.

Deborah

discouraged and whining

Hi all, I just need to vent, I think. I am so discouraged that I am

not feeling better and just feeling stuck. I ahve been on Armour for

6 wks now, feeling no difference at this point. I am on 1 1/4 grains

Armour right now. I know that the dosage needs to be increased, but

I just don't have the motivation to do anything about it. I am

suppose to go back to the doc on Feb 4 and I expect that my meds will

be increased at that point, but in the meantime I just feel like

crap. I want to call the doc and say....I need to come now, I need

an increase now, but again, just don't have the motivation. Maybe it

is because I am afraid he will just say no. I know many people here

have had years upon years of dealing with this...getting meds

right...I don't know, just feeling bummed and nowhere to turn

really. Thanks for listening......Kat

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[Guest guest]

My husband and I feel the same way. We have been on Armour for about 10 weeks

and are not feeling anything yet. I am on 180mg and he is on 150mg. We are

increasing by 30mg every two weeks and have just added Isocort and DHEA this

weekend. We are just tired all the time, irritable, and no motivation. The

hard thing is he is out of work and has nothing to lend to the search for work.

We are just trying to hang in there as I can't see anything else to do.

Deborah

discouraged and whining

Hi all, I just need to vent, I think. I am so discouraged that I am

not feeling better and just feeling stuck. I ahve been on Armour for

6 wks now, feeling no difference at this point. I am on 1 1/4 grains

Armour right now. I know that the dosage needs to be increased, but

I just don't have the motivation to do anything about it. I am

suppose to go back to the doc on Feb 4 and I expect that my meds will

be increased at that point, but in the meantime I just feel like

crap. I want to call the doc and say....I need to come now, I need

an increase now, but again, just don't have the motivation. Maybe it

is because I am afraid he will just say no. I know many people here

have had years upon years of dealing with this...getting meds

right...I don't know, just feeling bummed and nowhere to turn

really. Thanks for listening......Kat

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[Guest guest]

My husband and I feel the same way. We have been on Armour for about 10 weeks

and are not feeling anything yet. I am on 180mg and he is on 150mg. We are

increasing by 30mg every two weeks and have just added Isocort and DHEA this

weekend. We are just tired all the time, irritable, and no motivation. The

hard thing is he is out of work and has nothing to lend to the search for work.

We are just trying to hang in there as I can't see anything else to do.

Deborah

discouraged and whining

Hi all, I just need to vent, I think. I am so discouraged that I am

not feeling better and just feeling stuck. I ahve been on Armour for

6 wks now, feeling no difference at this point. I am on 1 1/4 grains

Armour right now. I know that the dosage needs to be increased, but

I just don't have the motivation to do anything about it. I am

suppose to go back to the doc on Feb 4 and I expect that my meds will

be increased at that point, but in the meantime I just feel like

crap. I want to call the doc and say....I need to come now, I need

an increase now, but again, just don't have the motivation. Maybe it

is because I am afraid he will just say no. I know many people here

have had years upon years of dealing with this...getting meds

right...I don't know, just feeling bummed and nowhere to turn

really. Thanks for listening......Kat

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[Guest guest]

How are you taking the meds? For some it works good to take once a day..

for others it takes two or more times a day...... Personally I dose 5

times a day... that, right now, is my magical number.....

It also matters how you take them. If you are swallowing them, especially

with food, you can lose over 50% of the medication to binding and poor

absorption....

Supplements like Selenium and Vitamin C increase conversion and

absorption.........

Topper ()

On Mon, 12 Jan 2004 18:33:12 -0500 " son "

writes:

> My husband and I feel the same way. We have been on Armour for about

> 10 weeks and are not feeling anything yet. I am on 180mg and he is

> on 150mg. We are increasing by 30mg every two weeks and have just

> added Isocort and DHEA this weekend. We are just tired all the

> time, irritable, and no motivation. The hard thing is he is out of

> work and has nothing to lend to the search for work. We are just

> trying to hang in there as I can't see anything else to do.

>

> Deborah

[Guest guest]

You should wait at least 4 weeks maybe 6 to 8 between each dose change. You are

raising too fast! JMHO

discouraged and whining

Hi all, I just need to vent, I think. I am so discouraged that I am

not feeling better and just feeling stuck. I ahve been on Armour for

6 wks now, feeling no difference at this point. I am on 1 1/4 grains

Armour right now. I know that the dosage needs to be increased, but

I just don't have the motivation to do anything about it. I am

suppose to go back to the doc on Feb 4 and I expect that my meds will

be increased at that point, but in the meantime I just feel like

crap. I want to call the doc and say....I need to come now, I need

an increase now, but again, just don't have the motivation. Maybe it

is because I am afraid he will just say no. I know many people here

have had years upon years of dealing with this...getting meds

right...I don't know, just feeling bummed and nowhere to turn

really. Thanks for listening......Kat

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[Guest guest]

Hi Kat,

Just remember that it might have taken years for your body to get in

the condition it's in because of your thyroid so it will take time to

feel better.

All I can suggest is to not give up and hang in there. In time you

will start feeling better.

Louise

> Hi all, I just need to vent, I think. I am so discouraged that I

am

> not feeling better and just feeling stuck. I ahve been on Armour

for

> 6 wks now, feeling no difference at this point. I am on 1 1/4

grains

> Armour right now. I know that the dosage needs to be increased,

but

> I just don't have the motivation to do anything about it. I am

> suppose to go back to the doc on Feb 4 and I expect that my meds

will

> be increased at that point, but in the meantime I just feel like

> crap. I want to call the doc and say....I need to come now, I need

> an increase now, but again, just don't have the motivation. Maybe

it

> is because I am afraid he will just say no. I know many people

here

> have had years upon years of dealing with this...getting meds

> right...I don't know, just feeling bummed and nowhere to turn

> really. Thanks for listening......Kat

[Guest guest]

Hi Kat,

Just remember that it might have taken years for your body to get in

the condition it's in because of your thyroid so it will take time to

feel better.

All I can suggest is to not give up and hang in there. In time you

will start feeling better.

Louise

> Hi all, I just need to vent, I think. I am so discouraged that I

am

> not feeling better and just feeling stuck. I ahve been on Armour

for

> 6 wks now, feeling no difference at this point. I am on 1 1/4

grains

> Armour right now. I know that the dosage needs to be increased,

but

> I just don't have the motivation to do anything about it. I am

> suppose to go back to the doc on Feb 4 and I expect that my meds

will

> be increased at that point, but in the meantime I just feel like

> crap. I want to call the doc and say....I need to come now, I need

> an increase now, but again, just don't have the motivation. Maybe

it

> is because I am afraid he will just say no. I know many people

here

> have had years upon years of dealing with this...getting meds

> right...I don't know, just feeling bummed and nowhere to turn

> really. Thanks for listening......Kat

[Guest guest]

Hi Kat,

Just remember that it might have taken years for your body to get in

the condition it's in because of your thyroid so it will take time to

feel better.

All I can suggest is to not give up and hang in there. In time you

will start feeling better.

Louise

> Hi all, I just need to vent, I think. I am so discouraged that I

am

> not feeling better and just feeling stuck. I ahve been on Armour

for

> 6 wks now, feeling no difference at this point. I am on 1 1/4

grains

> Armour right now. I know that the dosage needs to be increased,

but

> I just don't have the motivation to do anything about it. I am

> suppose to go back to the doc on Feb 4 and I expect that my meds

will

> be increased at that point, but in the meantime I just feel like

> crap. I want to call the doc and say....I need to come now, I need

> an increase now, but again, just don't have the motivation. Maybe

it

> is because I am afraid he will just say no. I know many people

here

> have had years upon years of dealing with this...getting meds

> right...I don't know, just feeling bummed and nowhere to turn

> really. Thanks for listening......Kat

[Guest guest]

I have to disagree , you are adding your armour just right. When I went on I

went on 60 mgs the first week, 120 the second week, 180 third...etc. I got to

240 and needed to come down a little. All the while watching for shakey hands,

heart palps, nervousness etc. I got a little of that at about 240. Then cut my

dosage in half taking 120 am 120 pm and it cured the shakes. Your 30 mgs up

every two weeks is a great idea. You aren't feeling ANYTHING yet? I believe

you'll feel something by 240..if not you both may be resisting your T3. T3

resistant.

Lets take it one step at a time though...

PattiSue 29:11

discouraged and whining

Hi all, I just need to vent, I think. I am so discouraged that I am

not feeling better and just feeling stuck. I ahve been on Armour for

6 wks now, feeling no difference at this point. I am on 1 1/4 grains

Armour right now. I know that the dosage needs to be increased, but

I just don't have the motivation to do anything about it. I am

suppose to go back to the doc on Feb 4 and I expect that my meds will

be increased at that point, but in the meantime I just feel like

crap. I want to call the doc and say....I need to come now, I need

an increase now, but again, just don't have the motivation. Maybe it

is because I am afraid he will just say no. I know many people here

have had years upon years of dealing with this...getting meds

right...I don't know, just feeling bummed and nowhere to turn

really. Thanks for listening......Kat

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[Guest guest]

I have to disagree , you are adding your armour just right. When I went on I

went on 60 mgs the first week, 120 the second week, 180 third...etc. I got to

240 and needed to come down a little. All the while watching for shakey hands,

heart palps, nervousness etc. I got a little of that at about 240. Then cut my

dosage in half taking 120 am 120 pm and it cured the shakes. Your 30 mgs up

every two weeks is a great idea. You aren't feeling ANYTHING yet? I believe

you'll feel something by 240..if not you both may be resisting your T3. T3

resistant.

Lets take it one step at a time though...

PattiSue 29:11

discouraged and whining

Hi all, I just need to vent, I think. I am so discouraged that I am

not feeling better and just feeling stuck. I ahve been on Armour for

6 wks now, feeling no difference at this point. I am on 1 1/4 grains

Armour right now. I know that the dosage needs to be increased, but

I just don't have the motivation to do anything about it. I am

suppose to go back to the doc on Feb 4 and I expect that my meds will

be increased at that point, but in the meantime I just feel like

crap. I want to call the doc and say....I need to come now, I need

an increase now, but again, just don't have the motivation. Maybe it

is because I am afraid he will just say no. I know many people here

have had years upon years of dealing with this...getting meds

right...I don't know, just feeling bummed and nowhere to turn

really. Thanks for listening......Kat

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[Guest guest]

I have to disagree , you are adding your armour just right. When I went on I

went on 60 mgs the first week, 120 the second week, 180 third...etc. I got to

240 and needed to come down a little. All the while watching for shakey hands,

heart palps, nervousness etc. I got a little of that at about 240. Then cut my

dosage in half taking 120 am 120 pm and it cured the shakes. Your 30 mgs up

every two weeks is a great idea. You aren't feeling ANYTHING yet? I believe

you'll feel something by 240..if not you both may be resisting your T3. T3

resistant.

Lets take it one step at a time though...

PattiSue 29:11

discouraged and whining

Hi all, I just need to vent, I think. I am so discouraged that I am

not feeling better and just feeling stuck. I ahve been on Armour for

6 wks now, feeling no difference at this point. I am on 1 1/4 grains

Armour right now. I know that the dosage needs to be increased, but

I just don't have the motivation to do anything about it. I am

suppose to go back to the doc on Feb 4 and I expect that my meds will

be increased at that point, but in the meantime I just feel like

crap. I want to call the doc and say....I need to come now, I need

an increase now, but again, just don't have the motivation. Maybe it

is because I am afraid he will just say no. I know many people here

have had years upon years of dealing with this...getting meds

right...I don't know, just feeling bummed and nowhere to turn

really. Thanks for listening......Kat

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Patti Sue. I never thought it too fast either if anything too slow. But

at least steady. Deborah

discouraged and whining

Hi all, I just need to vent, I think. I am so discouraged that I am

not feeling better and just feeling stuck. I ahve been on Armour for

6 wks now, feeling no difference at this point. I am on 1 1/4 grains

Armour right now. I know that the dosage needs to be increased, but

I just don't have the motivation to do anything about it. I am

suppose to go back to the doc on Feb 4 and I expect that my meds will

be increased at that point, but in the meantime I just feel like

crap. I want to call the doc and say....I need to come now, I need

an increase now, but again, just don't have the motivation. Maybe it

is because I am afraid he will just say no. I know many people here

have had years upon years of dealing with this...getting meds

right...I don't know, just feeling bummed and nowhere to turn

really. Thanks for listening......Kat

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[Guest guest]

The key is that you wont feel the affect of the medication you take

today for 7 - 10 days. It takes that long for the T4 to build up in

your system. Yes T3 is short acting but it's a combination of the 2

medications. If you are waiting just 1 week to increase your

medication you aren't giving yourself enough time to feel the effects

of the dose you were on.

I say take it slow. I think it was Janie or Topper who told the story

of someone on another list that kept incresing his medication and he

got to the point where he had a hyper storm and had to stop all his

medication to get it out of his system than start again and

increasing his medication slowly.

Louise

> I have to disagree , you are adding your armour just right. When

I went on I went on 60 mgs the first week, 120 the second week, 180

third...etc. I got to 240 and needed to come down a little. All the

while watching for shakey hands, heart palps, nervousness etc. I got

a little of that at about 240. Then cut my dosage in half taking 120

am 120 pm and it cured the shakes. Your 30 mgs up every two weeks is

a great idea. You aren't feeling ANYTHING yet? I believe you'll

feel something by 240..if not you both may be resisting your T3. T3

resistant.

> Lets take it one step at a time though...

> PattiSue 29:11

> discouraged and whining

>

>

> Hi all, I just need to vent, I think. I am so discouraged

that I am

> not feeling better and just feeling stuck. I ahve been on

Armour for

> 6 wks now, feeling no difference at this point. I am on 1

1/4 grains

> Armour right now. I know that the dosage needs to be

increased, but

> I just don't have the motivation to do anything about it. I

am

> suppose to go back to the doc on Feb 4 and I expect that my

meds will

> be increased at that point, but in the meantime I just feel

like

> crap. I want to call the doc and say....I need to come now,

I need

> an increase now, but again, just don't have the motivation.

Maybe it

> is because I am afraid he will just say no. I know many

people here

> have had years upon years of dealing with this...getting meds

> right...I don't know, just feeling bummed and nowhere to turn

> really. Thanks for listening......Kat

>

>

>

> ----------------------------------------------------------------

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>

[Guest guest]

> Thanks Patti Sue. I never thought it too fast either if anything

too slow. But at least steady. Deborah

when you raise your Armour dose and it doesn't have any affect, or

the affect(tired mostly) is worse on higher doses, my doctor says

always suspect adrenal fatigue.

[Guest guest]

> Thanks Patti Sue. I never thought it too fast either if anything

too slow. But at least steady. Deborah

when you raise your Armour dose and it doesn't have any affect, or

the affect(tired mostly) is worse on higher doses, my doctor says

always suspect adrenal fatigue.

[Guest guest]

> ,

>

> That is why I have added Isocort finally. I was holding off as I

was concerned about adding too many things at once without knowing

what is working and what is not. The other thought was that I just

wasn't on enough Armour.

>

> Deborah

I have adrenal fatigue...my son has adrenal exhaustion...my doctor

believes that once your adrenals have become fatigued, you need

Cortef...the Isocort, glandulars and glyzzerin are not strong enough

once your adrenals are truly worn down...he thinks isocort ,

glandulars and the rest are fine for adrenal support, but will take

forever (years) if your adrenals are truly fatigued. On the other

hand, my older son had adrenal fatigue and we brought him back on

glanudlars and glyzzerin...BUT he had 8 months of almost total

rest,sleep, freedom from stress (such as Dr. Teitlebaum

recommends) and mega dosing with vitamins as well to bring him

back...now he is fairly well again, but takes Isocort daily to keep

him afloat.

[Guest guest]

> ,

>

> That is why I have added Isocort finally. I was holding off as I

was concerned about adding too many things at once without knowing

what is working and what is not. The other thought was that I just

wasn't on enough Armour.

>

> Deborah

I have adrenal fatigue...my son has adrenal exhaustion...my doctor

believes that once your adrenals have become fatigued, you need

Cortef...the Isocort, glandulars and glyzzerin are not strong enough

once your adrenals are truly worn down...he thinks isocort ,

glandulars and the rest are fine for adrenal support, but will take

forever (years) if your adrenals are truly fatigued. On the other

hand, my older son had adrenal fatigue and we brought him back on

glanudlars and glyzzerin...BUT he had 8 months of almost total

rest,sleep, freedom from stress (such as Dr. Teitlebaum

recommends) and mega dosing with vitamins as well to bring him

back...now he is fairly well again, but takes Isocort daily to keep

him afloat.

[Guest guest]

> ,

>

> That is why I have added Isocort finally. I was holding off as I

was concerned about adding too many things at once without knowing

what is working and what is not. The other thought was that I just

wasn't on enough Armour.

>

> Deborah

I have adrenal fatigue...my son has adrenal exhaustion...my doctor

believes that once your adrenals have become fatigued, you need

Cortef...the Isocort, glandulars and glyzzerin are not strong enough

once your adrenals are truly worn down...he thinks isocort ,

glandulars and the rest are fine for adrenal support, but will take

forever (years) if your adrenals are truly fatigued. On the other

hand, my older son had adrenal fatigue and we brought him back on

glanudlars and glyzzerin...BUT he had 8 months of almost total

rest,sleep, freedom from stress (such as Dr. Teitlebaum

recommends) and mega dosing with vitamins as well to bring him

back...now he is fairly well again, but takes Isocort daily to keep

him afloat.

[Guest guest]

I think a distinction has to be made as to whether you have ever been

hyper, had hashi's or have no thyroid and if you are otherwise

healthy, wothout pituitary or parathyroid involvement...we're all

individuals....I think nothing short of a stick of dynamite could

make me hyper...but I am simply hypothyroid, period..and pretty

healthy otherwise...when my son began to up his dose on Armour, he

did not go hyper, but became more exhausted...this is when the doctor

tested his adrenals. There are so many variables.

> That was me.... I made an increase from 2 1/2 grain to 3... I'd

been on

> the 2 1/2 for about 10 weeks and decided to add another quarter

tablet

> (1/2 grain) I felt a bit hyper in just a few days.. but pushed on

hoping

> that I was just reacting to an increase and it wasn't too much for

me..

> but I ended up hyper.. shaking, insomnia, horrible hunger (the

beast was

> back - I went through hyper storm, that's why I had RAI, so the

beast and

> I had met before).... I cut back to 1 grain for several days.. but

then

> started going hypo.. and then had to do some adjusting.. I'm okay

now..

> but it's been a pretty crappy month.

>

> I'm very sensitive to changes.. so things affect me sooner. I

consider

> that a good thing.. for others, they can be on too high a dose for

weeks

> and not experience symptoms until they have a much higher level of

excess

> in their system then I did... in that case it takes a whole lot

longer to

> purge it out.. and, trust me... that hyper - hypo swing.. then

getting

> back up to the right dose really does a number on your head and your

> body...

>

> Over a two week period I went from resting heart rates of 72 to 90

to

> 60.. that is way too much stress on the body... I'm about 69 right

now,

> I just stopped and checked... my body is slowing moving back up...

it's

> should settle around 72 again.

>

> Three weeks to get me back to normal and on my 2 1/2 grain... but

I'm

> feeling great again.

>

> I'm going to stay at 2 1/2 grain for another 6 or 8 weeks.. then I

will

> trying adding that extra 1/2 grain every third day, instead of every

> day... and see if I can tolerate that increase... I'm wondering if I

> might need a bit more... but at this stage, between the weight loss

and

> being close to optimal that a 1/2 grain jump at one time might have

been

> too much (I have 2 grain tabs.. can't chop them any smaller than

> quarters).

>

> You just have to be very careful with increases and keep in mind

that

> what you take today you may not feel for as long as 4, 6 or 8

weeks... so

> take them small... be aware of how your body is reacting.. and

don't push

> it.. if you see signs of hyper... back off a bit... settle down and

try

> again. I just learned AGAIN that to push with this stuff is NOT

wise....

>

> On that same note... if you feel that you need more.. if the hypo

> symptoms are not subsiding.. tweak up a bit.. but just a bit and

then

> wait.. PLEASE don't be dumb, like me, thinking that you know enough

to

> push... doesn't matter how much you know... you have to listen to

what

> your body says about more, less, or stay the same.... Labs are only

a

> guideline.... the final judge is your body and how it feels.

>

> Sorry for being preachy...... I just don't want someone to have to

go

> through what I have these last weeks.. it REALLY sucks to be

feeling that

> lousy just because I was a smart a***.

>

> .... oh gosh... did I just say that doc was right when he call me a

smart

> a**??

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:26:52 -0000 " lestatl382 " <LestatL382@y...>

> writes:

> > The key is that you wont feel the affect of the medication you

take

> > today for 7 - 10 days. It takes that long for the T4 to build up

in

> > your system. Yes T3 is short acting but it's a combination of the

2

> > medications. If you are waiting just 1 week to increase your

> > medication you aren't giving yourself enough time to feel the

> > effects of the dose you were on.

> > I say take it slow. I think it was Janie or Topper who told the

> > story

> > of someone on another list that kept incresing his medication and

he

> > got to the point where he had a hyper storm and had to stop all

his

> > medication to get it out of his system than start again and

> > increasing his medication slowly.

> > Louise

[Guest guest]

I think a distinction has to be made as to whether you have ever been

hyper, had hashi's or have no thyroid and if you are otherwise

healthy, wothout pituitary or parathyroid involvement...we're all

individuals....I think nothing short of a stick of dynamite could

make me hyper...but I am simply hypothyroid, period..and pretty

healthy otherwise...when my son began to up his dose on Armour, he

did not go hyper, but became more exhausted...this is when the doctor

tested his adrenals. There are so many variables.

> That was me.... I made an increase from 2 1/2 grain to 3... I'd

been on

> the 2 1/2 for about 10 weeks and decided to add another quarter

tablet

> (1/2 grain) I felt a bit hyper in just a few days.. but pushed on

hoping

> that I was just reacting to an increase and it wasn't too much for

me..

> but I ended up hyper.. shaking, insomnia, horrible hunger (the

beast was

> back - I went through hyper storm, that's why I had RAI, so the

beast and

> I had met before).... I cut back to 1 grain for several days.. but

then

> started going hypo.. and then had to do some adjusting.. I'm okay

now..

> but it's been a pretty crappy month.

>

> I'm very sensitive to changes.. so things affect me sooner. I

consider

> that a good thing.. for others, they can be on too high a dose for

weeks

> and not experience symptoms until they have a much higher level of

excess

> in their system then I did... in that case it takes a whole lot

longer to

> purge it out.. and, trust me... that hyper - hypo swing.. then

getting

> back up to the right dose really does a number on your head and your

> body...

>

> Over a two week period I went from resting heart rates of 72 to 90

to

> 60.. that is way too much stress on the body... I'm about 69 right

now,

> I just stopped and checked... my body is slowing moving back up...

it's

> should settle around 72 again.

>

> Three weeks to get me back to normal and on my 2 1/2 grain... but

I'm

> feeling great again.

>

> I'm going to stay at 2 1/2 grain for another 6 or 8 weeks.. then I

will

> trying adding that extra 1/2 grain every third day, instead of every

> day... and see if I can tolerate that increase... I'm wondering if I

> might need a bit more... but at this stage, between the weight loss

and

> being close to optimal that a 1/2 grain jump at one time might have

been

> too much (I have 2 grain tabs.. can't chop them any smaller than

> quarters).

>

> You just have to be very careful with increases and keep in mind

that

> what you take today you may not feel for as long as 4, 6 or 8

weeks... so

> take them small... be aware of how your body is reacting.. and

don't push

> it.. if you see signs of hyper... back off a bit... settle down and

try

> again. I just learned AGAIN that to push with this stuff is NOT

wise....

>

> On that same note... if you feel that you need more.. if the hypo

> symptoms are not subsiding.. tweak up a bit.. but just a bit and

then

> wait.. PLEASE don't be dumb, like me, thinking that you know enough

to

> push... doesn't matter how much you know... you have to listen to

what

> your body says about more, less, or stay the same.... Labs are only

a

> guideline.... the final judge is your body and how it feels.

>

> Sorry for being preachy...... I just don't want someone to have to

go

> through what I have these last weeks.. it REALLY sucks to be

feeling that

> lousy just because I was a smart a***.

>

> .... oh gosh... did I just say that doc was right when he call me a

smart

> a**??

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:26:52 -0000 " lestatl382 " <LestatL382@y...>

> writes:

> > The key is that you wont feel the affect of the medication you

take

> > today for 7 - 10 days. It takes that long for the T4 to build up

in

> > your system. Yes T3 is short acting but it's a combination of the

2

> > medications. If you are waiting just 1 week to increase your

> > medication you aren't giving yourself enough time to feel the

> > effects of the dose you were on.

> > I say take it slow. I think it was Janie or Topper who told the

> > story

> > of someone on another list that kept incresing his medication and

he

> > got to the point where he had a hyper storm and had to stop all

his

> > medication to get it out of his system than start again and

> > increasing his medication slowly.

> > Louise

[Guest guest]

I think a distinction has to be made as to whether you have ever been

hyper, had hashi's or have no thyroid and if you are otherwise

healthy, wothout pituitary or parathyroid involvement...we're all

individuals....I think nothing short of a stick of dynamite could

make me hyper...but I am simply hypothyroid, period..and pretty

healthy otherwise...when my son began to up his dose on Armour, he

did not go hyper, but became more exhausted...this is when the doctor

tested his adrenals. There are so many variables.

> That was me.... I made an increase from 2 1/2 grain to 3... I'd

been on

> the 2 1/2 for about 10 weeks and decided to add another quarter

tablet

> (1/2 grain) I felt a bit hyper in just a few days.. but pushed on

hoping

> that I was just reacting to an increase and it wasn't too much for

me..

> but I ended up hyper.. shaking, insomnia, horrible hunger (the

beast was

> back - I went through hyper storm, that's why I had RAI, so the

beast and

> I had met before).... I cut back to 1 grain for several days.. but

then

> started going hypo.. and then had to do some adjusting.. I'm okay

now..

> but it's been a pretty crappy month.

>

> I'm very sensitive to changes.. so things affect me sooner. I

consider

> that a good thing.. for others, they can be on too high a dose for

weeks

> and not experience symptoms until they have a much higher level of

excess

> in their system then I did... in that case it takes a whole lot

longer to

> purge it out.. and, trust me... that hyper - hypo swing.. then

getting

> back up to the right dose really does a number on your head and your

> body...

>

> Over a two week period I went from resting heart rates of 72 to 90

to

> 60.. that is way too much stress on the body... I'm about 69 right

now,

> I just stopped and checked... my body is slowing moving back up...

it's

> should settle around 72 again.

>

> Three weeks to get me back to normal and on my 2 1/2 grain... but

I'm

> feeling great again.

>

> I'm going to stay at 2 1/2 grain for another 6 or 8 weeks.. then I

will

> trying adding that extra 1/2 grain every third day, instead of every

> day... and see if I can tolerate that increase... I'm wondering if I

> might need a bit more... but at this stage, between the weight loss

and

> being close to optimal that a 1/2 grain jump at one time might have

been

> too much (I have 2 grain tabs.. can't chop them any smaller than

> quarters).

>

> You just have to be very careful with increases and keep in mind

that

> what you take today you may not feel for as long as 4, 6 or 8

weeks... so

> take them small... be aware of how your body is reacting.. and

don't push

> it.. if you see signs of hyper... back off a bit... settle down and

try

> again. I just learned AGAIN that to push with this stuff is NOT

wise....

>

> On that same note... if you feel that you need more.. if the hypo

> symptoms are not subsiding.. tweak up a bit.. but just a bit and

then

> wait.. PLEASE don't be dumb, like me, thinking that you know enough

to

> push... doesn't matter how much you know... you have to listen to

what

> your body says about more, less, or stay the same.... Labs are only

a

> guideline.... the final judge is your body and how it feels.

>

> Sorry for being preachy...... I just don't want someone to have to

go

> through what I have these last weeks.. it REALLY sucks to be

feeling that

> lousy just because I was a smart a***.

>

> .... oh gosh... did I just say that doc was right when he call me a

smart

> a**??

>

> Topper ()

>

> On Tue, 13 Jan 2004 15:26:52 -0000 " lestatl382 " <LestatL382@y...>

> writes:

> > The key is that you wont feel the affect of the medication you

take

> > today for 7 - 10 days. It takes that long for the T4 to build up

in

> > your system. Yes T3 is short acting but it's a combination of the

2

> > medications. If you are waiting just 1 week to increase your

> > medication you aren't giving yourself enough time to feel the

> > effects of the dose you were on.

> > I say take it slow. I think it was Janie or Topper who told the

> > story

> > of someone on another list that kept incresing his medication and

he

> > got to the point where he had a hyper storm and had to stop all

his

> > medication to get it out of his system than start again and

> > increasing his medication slowly.

> > Louise

[Guest guest]

> My body does not convert at all which is why I am now on Armour

and the free t3 stays at the bottom. My free t3 then was flagged as

low. I no longer have the severe fatigue when I increase slowly even

with the low results. I have lots of room to increase, but for once

in over a year, I can think and function.

Is it possible that when a person is a poor converter, her problem

can be remedied for good at some point?? about 11 years ago I was

on .2 SYNTHROID....FT4 always tested WAY HIGH over the range, while

FT3 way below range. This is when he put me on 50mcg, cytomel as

well...and my FT3 came up, but not very much..about 6 months later he

put me on Armour. He mentioned that once I was getting my FT3 in a

decent range, the problem would be " solved " and it now seems to

be. I'm going to a different doctor now, but is this true? does a

poor converter " solve " the problem by taking Armour, and therefore

now more RT3's a produced?? Is it because I am not only a poor

converter, but also hypothyroid??