Re: Tale of 12 step Poker

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You know I'm fired up to play!!! (joke).

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>Subject: Re: Tale of 12 step Poker

>Date: Mon, 29 Nov 1999 21:27:40 -0500

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>Hi Pete,

>

>Actually I'm not much of a poker player, although I've been a game player

>all my life and a couple of my friends are poker professionals. Sounds like

>fun, though. Tell you what: things are kind of hectic at the moment, but

>during the next couple of weeks I'll brush up on my 7-stud enough to not

>make a complete fool out of myself and bore you to death. I'll get back to

>you. Maybe we can talk some others into getting in. Yo, Matt??

>

>-- wally

>

> Tale of 12 step Poker

>

>

> >HI All

> >

> >Again, I repeat my invitation to any keen Poker fans out there to play

> >a few hands with me using " Virtual Money " on the internet. Sites I know

> >of cater for Hold 'Em, Omaha, 5 and 7 card stud. I would love to play

> >with some 12sf folks out there.

> >

> >Best,

> >Pete

> >

> > " wally t. " wrote:

> >original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9948

> >> Hi Matt,

> >>

> >> Let's consider poker specifically. You've made some amazingly general

> >> negative statements about a game that millions of people have been

> >playing

> >> for 150 years ago. For instance, if " most of the time you go home

> >broke or

> >> in debt, " as you say, poker would be bankrupting at least a billion

> >> Americans every year. You'd think I would have read about this

> >somewhere

> >>

> >> Just to take one particular poker player: the mathematician von

> >> Neumann. Von Neumann made a lot of significant contributions to

> >science and

> >> mathematics. He invented the basic architecture of the digital

> >computer: the

> >> machine I am using to write this message, and probably the one you

> >are using

> >> to read it, still adheres to the von Neumann paradigm. Another little

> >> invention of his (among many) was mathematical game theory, which is

> >the

> >> foundation for a great deal (maybe most?) of modern economics, and

> >has also

> >> found innumerable applications in psychology and other sciences. One

> >of his

> >> main inspirations for game theory was poker, which he played quite

> >> frequently. In fact, one of his mathematical papers deals

> >specifically with

> >> poker.

> >>

> >> Are you seriously suggesting that an evening of poker always left von

> >> Neumann with a feeling of emptiness, and that he should have found a

> >> " healthier " way to spend his time?

> >>

> >> --wally

> >>

> >>

> >> -----Original Message-----

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> >Getting back to my original point, I do believe that going to strip

> >clubs

> >> >and playing poker makes you feel empty at the end of the night. Not

> >> >fulfilled. Strip clubs are an exercise in frustration. You get to

> >stare

> >> at

> >> >a bunch of beautiful, naked women you can't take home. And poker is

> >> usually

> >> >a dead end experience too. Most the time you go home broke or in

> >debt.

> >> Even

> >> >if you win odds are you lost some too.

> >> >There's nothing wrong with either thing. But I just don't think

> >they are

> >> >healthy uses of a person's time.

> >> >Matt

> >> >

> >>

> >>

> >

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