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Phyllis, I think you're absolutely right. That's why we call it a WOE (way of

eating) instead of a diet. Diet implies you eat in a certain way to reach a

goal...but when you've reached the goal, it's back to the old way of eating.

This of course will cause all the weight to return. OTOH, way of eating

implies a permanent change.

I've been moderate carbing for four plus years now and although I haven't

been able to get my A1Cs down as low as you type 2s, I'm still workin' on it!

(last A1C was 6.2, down from 10.5 at diagnosis)...Vicki, on insulin, exercise

and about 100 carbs a day (and not overweight).

In a message dated 02/26/2002 2:42:10 PM US Mountain Standard Time,

phyllis@... writes:

I think the secret to keeping weight off is never to return to your

original way of eating. Low-carb is good because you can increase your

quantity so much. Low-fat high carb is good on the quantity side also,

but can hurt diabetics sometimes

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>Is there anyone here who has lost a significant (let's over 30 pounds)

amount of weight since diabetes diagnosis and who has managed to keep the

weight off for over a year or two?

Hi Sharon,

I've lost around 80 lbs and kept it off for about 2 years. I'm still in the

maintenance mode and am comfortable with it. I do have another 20 - 30 to

lose and I'll be switching back into the losing mode within a couple of

months.

My dm dx was on 2/1/99 and my weight loss started just before that date.

Carol T

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In a message dated 2/26/02 12:04:23 PM Pacific Standard Time,

solsen@... writes:

>Is there anyone here who has lost a significant (let's over 30 pounds)

amount of weight since diabetes diagnosis and who has managed to keep the

weight off for over a year or two?

Hi Sharon,

I've lost around 80 lbs and kept it off for about 2 years. I'm still in the

maintenance mode and am comfortable with it. I do have another 20 - 30 to

lose and I'll be switching back into the losing mode within a couple of

months.

My dm dx was on 2/1/99 and my weight loss started just before that date.

Carol T

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In a message dated 2/26/02 12:04:42 PM Pacific Standard Time,

solsen@... writes:

> Is there anyone here who has lost a significant (let's over 30 pounds)

> amount of weight since diabetes diagnosis and who has managed to keep the

> weight off for over a year or two? I'm doing low to moderate carbing to

> improve my blood sugars, of course, but I also like the weight loss

> benefit. But I also know that the majority of people who lose weight end

> up gaining it back eventually. Is weight loss fleeting? Even if I

> continue this WOE for the rest of my life, will my body still wander back

> to it's weight set-point?

> Sharon Olsen

> Research Associate

> Lexecon Inc

Sharon,

I know that a large percentage of dieters do regain the weight (and usually

more). IMHO, I think that this is a result of people going on " diets " (any

diet!) for weight loss and then after losing, reverting to their old eating

habits. Naturally the weight comes back!

I have been on my version of a modified " Bernstein " plan (30-50 grams of

carbs per day) now for almost 4 years and my weight has remained pretty

stable. Since cutting back in December to the 30 gram level again (higher

bg's than I want because of illness) I have lost about 11 lbs. It is coming

off slowly, but more importantly my bg's are heading under 100 where I want

them to be. I pay more attention to my bg's than my weight although I know

that the weight does factor in, causing insulin resistance.

I look at this as a " way of life " , and not a diet. I believe that I will

probably eat this way for as long as I can lift a fork. I know that if I

don't, its off to the Dr for some kind of meds, and I am trying my darndest

to avoid that.

I think that if you stick to the whatever plan works for you, you will be OK.

We all fall off the wagon, but don't let that get you down. Get back on that

horse! Its a long ride.

, T2

Oregon

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Sharon writes:

>

> Is there anyone here who has lost a significant (let's over 30 pounds)

> amount of weight since diabetes diagnosis and who has managed

> to keep the

> weight off for over a year or two? I'm doing low to moderate

> carbing to

> improve my blood sugars, of course, but I also like the weight loss

> benefit. But I also know that the majority of people who

I lost about 25 pounds after diagnosis (and significantly cutting my carb

consumption to about 30 g./day). That was a little over 3 years ago. I

have continued this low carb WOE, and I have maintained the weight loss --

along with normal blood sugar levels and a very good cholesterol balance. I

plan to stick with it.

Tom the Actuary

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Dear Sharon,

I was 240 when diagnosed. I lost down to 215 and kept the weight there

for 8 years. I mainly did low-fat and of course high carb. This was the

recommendation of my doctor, dietician and diabetes specialists!

My diabetes continued to get worse even though my weight remained

steady. Then I got really sick - heart attack, blood sugar 425, swollen

legs, tryglicerides of 3000.

Then I went on Atkins last year lost 40 pounds, then gained 10 back at

the end of the year. I am losing the last 40 now.

I think the secret to keeping weight off is never to return to your

original way of eating. Low-carb is good because you can increase your

quantity so much. Low-fat high carb is good on the quantity side also,

but can hurt diabetics sometimes.

My sister lost 80 pounds and has kept it off for over 25 years. She eats

reduced quantities.

But, the sad fact is that of people who lose 80 pounds or more gained it

all back. But, I believe this is because people say now I am thin I can

just eat what I want and it creeps up on you.

My other theory is that people don't weight. It is too painful - boo,

hoo, hoo!

I must weigh everyday no matter how painful it is. Because if you don't

you don't face the truth and a couple of months go by and guess what you

have gained 30 pounds.

Just my wierd theories!

Phyllis

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I have lost about 35 pounds through Weight Watchers a couple years ago and

have kept that off. I had lost another 10 with Atkin's, but gained that

right back when I stopped the program. I still need to lose another 85

pounds though. Roxanne

In a message dated 02/26/02 12:04:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,

solsen@... writes:

> Is there anyone here who has lost a significant (let's over 30 pounds)

> amount of weight since diabetes diagnosis and who has managed to keep the

> weight off for over a year or two?

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I have lost about 35 pounds through Weight Watchers a couple years ago and

have kept that off. I had lost another 10 with Atkin's, but gained that

right back when I stopped the program. I still need to lose another 85

pounds though. Roxanne

In a message dated 02/26/02 12:04:25 PM Pacific Standard Time,

solsen@... writes:

> Is there anyone here who has lost a significant (let's over 30 pounds)

> amount of weight since diabetes diagnosis and who has managed to keep the

> weight off for over a year or two?

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I'm the same way! In fact, it's always been during the times that I didn't

have a bathroom scale that I've gained weight. I can keep my weight fairly

steady if I weigh daily. Roxanne

In a message dated 02/26/02 1:42:27 PM Pacific Standard Time,

phyllis@... writes:

> I must weigh everyday no matter how painful it is. Because if you don't

> you don't face the truth and a couple of months go by and guess what you

> have gained 30 pounds.

>

>

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I'm the same way! In fact, it's always been during the times that I didn't

have a bathroom scale that I've gained weight. I can keep my weight fairly

steady if I weigh daily. Roxanne

In a message dated 02/26/02 1:42:27 PM Pacific Standard Time,

phyllis@... writes:

> I must weigh everyday no matter how painful it is. Because if you don't

> you don't face the truth and a couple of months go by and guess what you

> have gained 30 pounds.

>

>

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I'm the same way! In fact, it's always been during the times that I didn't

have a bathroom scale that I've gained weight. I can keep my weight fairly

steady if I weigh daily. Roxanne

In a message dated 02/26/02 1:42:27 PM Pacific Standard Time,

phyllis@... writes:

> I must weigh everyday no matter how painful it is. Because if you don't

> you don't face the truth and a couple of months go by and guess what you

> have gained 30 pounds.

>

>

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Sharon Olsen asked

> Is there anyone here who has lost a significant (let's over 30 pounds)

> amount of weight since diabetes diagnosis and who has managed to keep the

> weight off for over a year or two?

Yes, I lost nearly 50 pounds from Jan. 99 to Aug. 99 by going to under 100

grams of carbs per day. I now eat between 125-150 carb grams per day, but

I've kept off over 40 pounds. No meds, only walking. (And no potatoes, rice,

pasta, corn, or white flour.)

However, I haven't had time to walk consistently for last couple of months.

When I start walking again, those extra 7 or 8 pounds I gained back will

vanish‹or else I'll just lower my carb intake again.

Becky in VA

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Sharon Olsen asked

> Is there anyone here who has lost a significant (let's over 30 pounds)

> amount of weight since diabetes diagnosis and who has managed to keep the

> weight off for over a year or two?

Yes, I lost nearly 50 pounds from Jan. 99 to Aug. 99 by going to under 100

grams of carbs per day. I now eat between 125-150 carb grams per day, but

I've kept off over 40 pounds. No meds, only walking. (And no potatoes, rice,

pasta, corn, or white flour.)

However, I haven't had time to walk consistently for last couple of months.

When I start walking again, those extra 7 or 8 pounds I gained back will

vanish‹or else I'll just lower my carb intake again.

Becky in VA

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Sharon Olsen asked

> Is there anyone here who has lost a significant (let's over 30 pounds)

> amount of weight since diabetes diagnosis and who has managed to keep the

> weight off for over a year or two?

Yes, I lost nearly 50 pounds from Jan. 99 to Aug. 99 by going to under 100

grams of carbs per day. I now eat between 125-150 carb grams per day, but

I've kept off over 40 pounds. No meds, only walking. (And no potatoes, rice,

pasta, corn, or white flour.)

However, I haven't had time to walk consistently for last couple of months.

When I start walking again, those extra 7 or 8 pounds I gained back will

vanish‹or else I'll just lower my carb intake again.

Becky in VA

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I'm happy for you too Sharon...but (not to throw a wet towel over you)

diabetes is a Very Tricky Disease...just as you think you've figured it

out...something changes. It's been four years since diagnosis for me and it

really took me a long time to get a handle on things because just as I

thought I figured out the correct insulin-to-carb dosage (I'm type 1)

Something Changed and I had to start all over again. And it's still

changing. Ah well...just Be Prepared, smile. Vicki

In a message dated 02/27/2002 8:36:02 AM US Mountain Standard Time,

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> I'm so happy that I found

> something that something that works for me!

>

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I'm happy for you too Sharon...but (not to throw a wet towel over you)

diabetes is a Very Tricky Disease...just as you think you've figured it

out...something changes. It's been four years since diagnosis for me and it

really took me a long time to get a handle on things because just as I

thought I figured out the correct insulin-to-carb dosage (I'm type 1)

Something Changed and I had to start all over again. And it's still

changing. Ah well...just Be Prepared, smile. Vicki

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solsen@... writes:

> I'm so happy that I found

> something that something that works for me!

>

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Thanks for all your replies! I'm so glad that everyone

has been so successful. I've lost a little bit of weight

so far and everytime I get excited about it, a little voice

inside tells me to not get excited, that the weight is just

going to come back. I've been a size 22/24, no matter

how much or little I've eaten or exercised, for at least 6

years and I worry that that is just where my body wants

to be. I'm so glad to hear that weight loss can be

permanent, you all will be great motivators!

On another note... I was having a problem before with

the dawn phenomenon, my sugars rose about 30 points

while I slept. Well, the past couple of nights I've been

eating a hard boiled egg before going to sleep and it

has made a total difference. My morning numbers are

now exactly the same, or within 10 points, as my nighttime

numbers. And maybe it's my imagination, but I seem to

wake up more refreshed, too. I'm so happy that I found

something that something that works for me!

Sharon Olsen

Research Associate

Lexecon Inc

*Working for paper and for iron*

*She says she's burning with optimism's flames*

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Thanks for all your replies! I'm so glad that everyone

has been so successful. I've lost a little bit of weight

so far and everytime I get excited about it, a little voice

inside tells me to not get excited, that the weight is just

going to come back. I've been a size 22/24, no matter

how much or little I've eaten or exercised, for at least 6

years and I worry that that is just where my body wants

to be. I'm so glad to hear that weight loss can be

permanent, you all will be great motivators!

On another note... I was having a problem before with

the dawn phenomenon, my sugars rose about 30 points

while I slept. Well, the past couple of nights I've been

eating a hard boiled egg before going to sleep and it

has made a total difference. My morning numbers are

now exactly the same, or within 10 points, as my nighttime

numbers. And maybe it's my imagination, but I seem to

wake up more refreshed, too. I'm so happy that I found

something that something that works for me!

Sharon Olsen

Research Associate

Lexecon Inc

*Working for paper and for iron*

*She says she's burning with optimism's flames*

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Thanks for all your replies! I'm so glad that everyone

has been so successful. I've lost a little bit of weight

so far and everytime I get excited about it, a little voice

inside tells me to not get excited, that the weight is just

going to come back. I've been a size 22/24, no matter

how much or little I've eaten or exercised, for at least 6

years and I worry that that is just where my body wants

to be. I'm so glad to hear that weight loss can be

permanent, you all will be great motivators!

On another note... I was having a problem before with

the dawn phenomenon, my sugars rose about 30 points

while I slept. Well, the past couple of nights I've been

eating a hard boiled egg before going to sleep and it

has made a total difference. My morning numbers are

now exactly the same, or within 10 points, as my nighttime

numbers. And maybe it's my imagination, but I seem to

wake up more refreshed, too. I'm so happy that I found

something that something that works for me!

Sharon Olsen

Research Associate

Lexecon Inc

*Working for paper and for iron*

*She says she's burning with optimism's flames*

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Sharon writes:

> On another note... I was having a problem before with

> the dawn phenomenon, my sugars rose about 30 points

> while I slept. Well, the past couple of nights I've been

> eating a hard boiled egg before going to sleep and it

> has made a total difference. My morning numbers are

> now exactly the same, or within 10 points, as my nighttime

> numbers. And maybe it's my imagination, but I seem to

> wake up more refreshed, too. I'm so happy that I found

> something that something that works for me!

I really hope you have found something that works, but two days is not

enough time to tell. There are many, many uncharted variables in how our

bodies work. I've found that sometimes readings will run higher or lower

for weeks and then change to a different level.

I understand that fully insulin dependent type 1's may not have quite as

much variation (since there is no self produced insulin to be one of the

variables), but even type 1's will have varying levels of insulin

sensitivity, etc.

This is not meant to discourage you, just to warn you in case you have

observed a temporary phenomenon.

Tom the Actuary

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Sharon writes:

> On another note... I was having a problem before with

> the dawn phenomenon, my sugars rose about 30 points

> while I slept. Well, the past couple of nights I've been

> eating a hard boiled egg before going to sleep and it

> has made a total difference. My morning numbers are

> now exactly the same, or within 10 points, as my nighttime

> numbers. And maybe it's my imagination, but I seem to

> wake up more refreshed, too. I'm so happy that I found

> something that something that works for me!

I really hope you have found something that works, but two days is not

enough time to tell. There are many, many uncharted variables in how our

bodies work. I've found that sometimes readings will run higher or lower

for weeks and then change to a different level.

I understand that fully insulin dependent type 1's may not have quite as

much variation (since there is no self produced insulin to be one of the

variables), but even type 1's will have varying levels of insulin

sensitivity, etc.

This is not meant to discourage you, just to warn you in case you have

observed a temporary phenomenon.

Tom the Actuary

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Oh yeah, I know it could be related to other factors. I plan to keep

experimenting. But even if it isn't the egg, whatever it is I hope it

keeps working!

Sharon Olsen

Research Associate

Lexecon Inc

*Working for paper and for iron*

*She says she's burning with optimism's flames*

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Oh yeah, I know it could be related to other factors. I plan to keep

experimenting. But even if it isn't the egg, whatever it is I hope it

keeps working!

Sharon Olsen

Research Associate

Lexecon Inc

*Working for paper and for iron*

*She says she's burning with optimism's flames*

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Sharon

i lost 35 pounds from Sept-May last year but in August it started to creep

up now i gained back 10 pounds iam so scared it will all come back. but

every rise has been preceded by a carb binge.....so i guess no more carbs

once again but my problem is i ENJOY carb food too much.

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Sharon

i lost 35 pounds from Sept-May last year but in August it started to creep

up now i gained back 10 pounds iam so scared it will all come back. but

every rise has been preceded by a carb binge.....so i guess no more carbs

once again but my problem is i ENJOY carb food too much.

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