Guest guest Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 Hi EveryOne, Does anyone know the number of grains of Armour that would be considered a full replacement dose for someone who has no thyroid. I know it varies from person to person the actual amount they need for various reasons but I still would find it helpful to know what is considered a full replacement dose. Thanks for any info:-)) Peace, Love and Harmony, Bev Thyroid-Adrenal Connection: Information and Resources http://www.bestweb.net/~om/thyroid Pure n' Natural Skin Care http://www.om.lbrionline.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 Bev, I haven't done the math.... but it's 1 mcg of Synthroid (T4) per pound of body weight. I went ballistic when I read that... the max dose that they ever had me on was 200 mcg... and even at my low weight, at the time of the RAI I weighed 240... by the time I was considered on a 'stable' dose I was 311. That dose held me at exactly that weight for 3 years, then my weight steadily went up when I was without meds. For the last five years I was a weight lifter, up to about 18 months before my RAI, when the thyroid storm started, I'd held 277. So I was under medicated while under doctors care, and then without meds when I lost insurance.... .... that's why I'm such a mess now. They killed my thyroid and then never adequately medicated me. Janie's up on the conversion... Janie? Topper () On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:03:31 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) " OM@... " writes: > Hi EveryOne, > > Does anyone know the number of grains of Armour that would be > considered a > full replacement dose for someone who has no thyroid. I know it > varies from > person to person the actual amount they need for various reasons but > I still > would find it helpful to know what is considered a full replacement > dose. > > Thanks for any info:-)) > > Peace, Love and Harmony, > Bev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 Bev, I haven't done the math.... but it's 1 mcg of Synthroid (T4) per pound of body weight. I went ballistic when I read that... the max dose that they ever had me on was 200 mcg... and even at my low weight, at the time of the RAI I weighed 240... by the time I was considered on a 'stable' dose I was 311. That dose held me at exactly that weight for 3 years, then my weight steadily went up when I was without meds. For the last five years I was a weight lifter, up to about 18 months before my RAI, when the thyroid storm started, I'd held 277. So I was under medicated while under doctors care, and then without meds when I lost insurance.... .... that's why I'm such a mess now. They killed my thyroid and then never adequately medicated me. Janie's up on the conversion... Janie? Topper () On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:03:31 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) " OM@... " writes: > Hi EveryOne, > > Does anyone know the number of grains of Armour that would be > considered a > full replacement dose for someone who has no thyroid. I know it > varies from > person to person the actual amount they need for various reasons but > I still > would find it helpful to know what is considered a full replacement > dose. > > Thanks for any info:-)) > > Peace, Love and Harmony, > Bev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 Bev, I haven't done the math.... but it's 1 mcg of Synthroid (T4) per pound of body weight. I went ballistic when I read that... the max dose that they ever had me on was 200 mcg... and even at my low weight, at the time of the RAI I weighed 240... by the time I was considered on a 'stable' dose I was 311. That dose held me at exactly that weight for 3 years, then my weight steadily went up when I was without meds. For the last five years I was a weight lifter, up to about 18 months before my RAI, when the thyroid storm started, I'd held 277. So I was under medicated while under doctors care, and then without meds when I lost insurance.... .... that's why I'm such a mess now. They killed my thyroid and then never adequately medicated me. Janie's up on the conversion... Janie? Topper () On Sun, 21 Dec 2003 20:03:31 -0500 (Eastern Standard Time) " OM@... " writes: > Hi EveryOne, > > Does anyone know the number of grains of Armour that would be > considered a > full replacement dose for someone who has no thyroid. I know it > varies from > person to person the actual amount they need for various reasons but > I still > would find it helpful to know what is considered a full replacement > dose. > > Thanks for any info:-)) > > Peace, Love and Harmony, > Bev Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2003 Report Share Posted December 21, 2003 Don't forget there are also some that are T4 or T3 resistant... I just found out that my hyper was caused by a genetic defect that results in TSH resistance.... My thyroid was unable to acknowledge signals from my pituitary (via TSH) so it just went on it's merry way until it stormed.... Topper () On Mon, 22 Dec 2003 04:19:22 -0000 " loboshe " writes: > > Does anyone know the number of grains of Armour that would be > >considered a full replacement dose for someone who has no thyroid. > > I probably have something on this in my gargantuous volume of saved > files, but can't locate it for the moment. > But I did know of someone who had no thyroid, and her optimal dose > of T4 was 250 mcg. And if she tried to go higher, she got palps. Now > according the the Armour chart, that would be 2 1/2 grains. Yet, I > have found that a person usually needs more than the conversion > chart states. So in this case, if she switched to Armour, she might > find her dose to be 3 grains. And the palps could be because of > other issues that she would need to address. And once she did, she > might find a higher dose to be optimal. > > Janie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 22, 2004 Report Share Posted January 22, 2004 As far as the docs worrying about lawsuits, yes yes yes!! My own NP admitted it. But it wasn't totally lawsuits---she said she could have her license removed if she allowed a TSH to get as low as mine. And note that my NP is EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT. So now, she simply gulps when she sees my TSH (.009), and turns her head. LOL And yes, it is my understanding that when we get our TSH's that low (or when we dose high enough to rid ourselves of symptoms), we do turn our thyroids mostly off. But I also know that time of day makes a difference. What little our thyroids may be doing, may be more in the morning that in the afternoon. But you bring up some interesting points and they need clarification. Janie > Thanks Janie, it helps but I am still not totally clear about this. If > healthy people have a TSH of 1.5-2 and we surpress ours to below 1 by taking > thyroid hormone from outside, doesn't that mean that the thyroid gland is > basically asleep or on vacation? Does the thyroid gland continue to produce > thyroid hormone when the TSH is surpressed? Wouldn't it stop producing > thyroid hormone making us totally dependant on thyroid hormone from our meds > such as Armour? > > If we become totally dependant on thyroid hormone from outside, then why don > t most of us who are taking thyroid hormone need closer to 5 grains, more or > less, depending on the individual? Dr. Derry said they used to dose 3-5 > grains before TSH. Some docs still do. Now I am wondering if the fear of the > TSH and lawsuits isn't keeping docs dosing less than 3 for the most part > while what is _really needed_ for most people is closer to 5 grains just as > Dr. Derry said. > > I don't want to find out 20 years from now that I had lived the past 20 > years without quite enough thyroid hormone replacement because doctors > feared a law suit. Remember there are some very serious negative effects of > being hypo such as heart disease. fatigue etc. > > Peace, Love and Harmony, > Bev > > > Bev, yes, when you introduce even a small amount of Armour to your > body, the pituitary gland knows it, and then sends a message via the > TSH to lower it's already lowered production. So your hypo returns > with a vengeance. > > Let's say your diseased thyroid puts out 50%. You then start on > Armour, and what you start on, gives you another 20%. The pituitary > gland goes " HEY!! There's more coming in here! " So it puts a stamp > on the TSH, sends it to the thyroid, and tells the thyroid it > doesn't need to produce so much. So now the obedient thyroid puts > out 20% instead of the 50. And guess what? Your body is now only > getting 40%!! Hypo! > > Crude explanation, but it gets the point across. > > As far as your question " How can we feel well if we take enough > thyroid hormone to supress our own thyroid production but not > enough for a full replacement dose? " The sticking point for you is > the term 'full replacement dose'. Look at who has no thyroid. > She is far far below 5 grains, but is improving steadily. I lean > towards believing that 'full replacement dose' is an individual > thing. > > If this doesn't help settle the questions, let us know so we can > keep working on this issue. > > Janie > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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