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Hi Pete

I am Krakatoa and I haven't iced anyone, and although in the /

Perkins line I would dearly love to do it I do not have the power to do so.

Sorry.

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> > WHO IS THIS PERSON????

> > He takes my wrath at this " " person, and internalises it into an

> > attack on himself?

> Krakatoa said he had iced him, which presumably means Krak is now

> listowner instead of Ken. Anyway, whoever it is now we need rid of

> Perkins, and if he wont stay away, I suggest a complaint to *his* ISP.

>

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hi im xgrouper. why are you mad at me? i thought because i got an email

you were refering to me. sorry for the mistake. now why do you wnat to

get rid of me? i dont likwe 12 steppers. i hate their philosophy anfd

there rhetoric. i was mad when i was on this line earlier because i

thought all you did was complain, but i now see that it is good to

speak out about 12 steppers and their sick program. sorry you are so

defensivew and want me dead. lighten up.

aham routley " wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9201

> Hi Pete

>

> I am Krakatoa and I haven't iced anyone, and although in the

/

> Perkins line I would dearly love to do it I do not have the power to

do so.

> Sorry.

>

> -

> > > WHO IS THIS PERSON????

> > > He takes my wrath at this " " person, and internalises it

into an

> > > attack on himself?

> > Krakatoa said he had iced him, which presumably means Krak is now

> > listowner instead of Ken. Anyway, whoever it is now we need rid of

> > Perkins, and if he wont stay away, I suggest a complaint to *his*

ISP.

> >

>

>

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wow, you guys are as sick as aa memebers. your extreme to the max. you

become isolated in your own delusion that you are righ, just like aa members.

so my isp. you whinning babies. you bettere do it taday.

awatt04@... wrote:

butterbean-@... wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9196

> Pete -

> WHO IS THIS PERSON????

> He takes my wrath at this "" person, and internalises it into

an

> attack on himself?

> ???

Perkins is an extremely unpleasant troll - so insidious is his

trollling that I'm still not sure of he does it intentionally or

whether he actually believes the crap he spouts. I also dont know which

would be worse.

He starts out saying things like; "Why bash AA? Why not discuss

alternatives?" and "Why cant we all just get along" type posts.

When

told that this is not an AA-neutral but an AA-hostile list, he

accuses

*us* of being groupers, not tolerating dissent just like AA, etc. etc.

Either he's a troll genius, or a complete whacko, or both. He

presumably sees this as another opportunity to stir up more shit, and

encouraging this woman to make a complaint to the ISP's of

subbers here to cause us more grief I suppose.

Krakatoa said he had iced him, which presumably means Krak is now

listowner instead of Ken. Anyway, whoever it is now we need rid of

Perkins, and if he wont stay away, I suggest a complaint to *his* ISP.

Regarding antideps, I have a friend on Nardil and she does well on it

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she can even have small amounts of chesse with it apparently.

Trazadone I believe can cause Clintonism, sorry, I mean Priapism, and

Serzone practically did that to me too. It was quite fun but I had

to

eat a lot of eggs to keep my protein levels up!

I'm glad you havent been in hospital for a year - I'm sorry it's been

so hard for you.

Take good care

Pete

> Anyway, in regard to the antidepressant topic, as far as I know, the

MAOI's

> still have the horrific side effects. I am a R.N. and worked

in

psychiatric

> units for quite sometime. Then, I hopped over the desk and

became a

> (IM)patient. I keep up on most new meds, especially MAOI's

because,

I have

> been told that they are extremely good at quelling a panic attack

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yet

> ANOTHER diagnosis to add to my mental health resume. I was

also on

Serzone

> for a short time; it hovers in that 'untitled antidepressant

catagory' like

> Deseryl (trazadone). They work better as a 'sleeping pill' for most,

> especially trazadone. I had a HORRIFYING episode of 'chronic

insomnia' in

> early 1997. Meds of all sorts were tried on me; nothing worked

so I

> underwent a series of electroconvulsive treatments, which did finally

seem

> to do the trick. But I can't remember much of the entire year of

1997

(which

> is probably just as well) and I do seem to have a bit of short term

memory

> loss. But I have not been in a psychiatric inpatient unit for well

over a

> year now, which is quite good - considering from about 1993-98 I

was

in and

> out about every 3 to 6 months.

> And people are baffled because I occasionally go off the deep end

and

get

> 'schnookered'???? Oh gee, life has been so lovely these

past few

years.

> But then again, the rhetoric has been "don't drink and all your

problems

> will go away...HA!!!" I had symtoms of depression and panic/anxiety

attacks

> before I was barely into puberty. Sigh. It's so tiring. But at least

I

> haven't been in the hospital for over a year.

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At 17:13 08/11/99 -0800, you wrote:

>wow, you guys are as sick as aa memebers. your extreme to the max. you

>become isolated in your own delusion that you are righ, just like aa

>members. so my isp. you whinning babies. you bettere do it taday.

, good to see you're getting so much out of this list! It's that

feeling of identification, isn't it...

JB

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i left the 12 steps after ten years because i believe they are a cult

and that there [phiosophy is bad for you. i now see how your new geoup

the exact oppisite but the same extreme philosophy is bad also. your

more sick than them becasue you know that groups that get together and

filter information is the way to become a cul. Oh you say its healthy

to talk about what happened, buts that not what your doing. your a

cult, and your every bit as damiaging as the 12 stepps. if you need to

cantact my isp server please do so. i will shoyours the postsabout

getting rid of me. please feel freet o statr a little war, i wont let

you down. see no one can staet their opinion on your line, jst as 12

steppers wont let you post on theirs. use your brain. i put in a

complaint to COMMON SENSE 2000 to let them know how you treat other

opinions and asked for them to quit advertising you.I wont stopp until

they do. grow up and learn from the hideous treatment you got from 12

steppers.

ham routley " wrote:

original article:/group/12-step-free/?start=9201

> Hi Pete

>

> I am Krakatoa and I haven't iced anyone, and although in the

/

> Perkins line I would dearly love to do it I do not have the power to

do so.

> Sorry.

>

> -

> > > WHO IS THIS PERSON????

> > > He takes my wrath at this " " person, and internalises it

into an

> > > attack on himself?

> > Krakatoa said he had iced him, which presumably means Krak is now

> > listowner instead of Ken. Anyway, whoever it is now we need rid of

> > Perkins, and if he wont stay away, I suggest a complaint to *his*

ISP.

> >

>

>

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Piss offff

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krakatoa

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wow, you guys are as sick as aa memebers. your extreme to the max. you become isolated in your own delusion that you are righ, just like aa members. so my isp. you whinning babies. you bettere do it taday.

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Piss offff

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krakatoa

Re: Perkins/Antideps

wow, you guys are as sick as aa memebers. your extreme to the max. you become isolated in your own delusion that you are righ, just like aa members. so my isp. you whinning babies. you bettere do it taday.

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