Guest guest Posted January 15, 2009 Report Share Posted January 15, 2009 Dear RD colleagues, I think we need to be zealous about our credential. The public lumps us with everyone else who claims to be experts in nutrition. That can be harmful when they think they have talked to a dietitian when, in fact, they haven't. I think the latest discussions have (finally) turned into good ideas on how to confront this, but treating others with respect (even when they are wrong or misinformed) *also* goes a long way. By no means I am downplaying the need for RDs to stand up for themselves and let people know their importance to individual and community health. But I keep seeing a we/they attitude that troubles me. RDs are not the only people who can speak authoritatively on nutrition. There ARE several nutrition experts out there who are very well respected and have worked hard to attain their knowledge. These are also people who help us in our mission as dietitians.Some may have even been your professors! When we make generalizations about non-RDs, we also include those people in those statements. Then we are hypocritical when we use their expertise. I have also heard several RDs give out misguided statements. Let's face it. The basic dietetics education is very broad and diverse. No RD on this list claims to have known it all once they passed the exam. And how many of you who are specialists have been frustrated to hear that an RD gave your client some misguided information? I don't hear as many rants about that. And let's not forget our own legacy of misguided recommendations, such as margarine is better than butter, eggs are bad for your cholesterol, and we should avoid fat like the plague. It's not that these recommendations meant to cause harm, but they were based on assumptions that made sense -- very plausible assumptions at that. And now we have evidence to prove it otherwise. Do we really expect people to want to listen to us when we can't figure out what we want to say? We have to do better than that. And let's stop complaining (or assuming) that ADA doesn't do anything. If you are an ADA member, make it count. I see a trend where people don't respect their doctor's opinions as much as their parents did. They are looking for information that is relevant to their experiences. They will get it anywhere, whether from an average blogger, Wikipedia, google, Oprah, you name it. If a dietitian can't relate to their needs in a relevant way, then no legislation and activism will increase the value of the dietitian. So, let's give respect where it is due, and respectfully speak out against those who have misguided the public. Let's protect our credential, but give it a reputation worth fighting for. For goodness sakes, it's not like we're running for president! ...yet :-) Respectfully yours, Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD. http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Excellent comments! Collier, RD LD Clinical Nutrition Manager Midland Memorial Hospital 2200 West Illinois Midland, TX 79701 fax leslie.collier@... ________________________________ From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Renata Oliveira Mangrum Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:02 PM To: rd-usa Subject: With all due respect... Dear RD colleagues, I think we need to be zealous about our credential. The public lumps us with everyone else who claims to be experts in nutrition. That can be harmful when they think they have talked to a dietitian when, in fact, they haven't. I think the latest discussions have (finally) turned into good ideas on how to confront this, but treating others with respect (even when they are wrong or misinformed) *also* goes a long way. By no means I am downplaying the need for RDs to stand up for themselves and let people know their importance to individual and community health. But I keep seeing a we/they attitude that troubles me. RDs are not the only people who can speak authoritatively on nutrition. There ARE several nutrition experts out there who are very well respected and have worked hard to attain their knowledge. These are also people who help us in our mission as dietitians.Some may have even been your professors! When we make generalizations about non-RDs, we also include those people in those statements. Then we are hypocritical when we use their expertise. I have also heard several RDs give out misguided statements. Let's face it. The basic dietetics education is very broad and diverse. No RD on this list claims to have known it all once they passed the exam. And how many of you who are specialists have been frustrated to hear that an RD gave your client some misguided information? I don't hear as many rants about that. And let's not forget our own legacy of misguided recommendations, such as margarine is better than butter, eggs are bad for your cholesterol, and we should avoid fat like the plague. It's not that these recommendations meant to cause harm, but they were based on assumptions that made sense -- very plausible assumptions at that. And now we have evidence to prove it otherwise. Do we really expect people to want to listen to us when we can't figure out what we want to say? We have to do better than that. And let's stop complaining (or assuming) that ADA doesn't do anything. If you are an ADA member, make it count. I see a trend where people don't respect their doctor's opinions as much as their parents did. They are looking for information that is relevant to their experiences. They will get it anywhere, whether from an average blogger, Wikipedia, google, Oprah, you name it. If a dietitian can't relate to their needs in a relevant way, then no legislation and activism will increase the value of the dietitian. So, let's give respect where it is due, and respectfully speak out against those who have misguided the public. Let's protect our credential, but give it a reputation worth fighting for. For goodness sakes, it's not like we're running for president! ...yet :-) Respectfully yours, Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD. http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com <http://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?1opsh7c9I6QmjhOCe76zBAS03wT6rspg8MHfW sgfGhEJmvbCXZuWrWbPNEVhsdTdQ-4VRbETKO--MebEKcfFBQkSkXzAmmkiV_QfB_mGuvbUD aOgfS21tnRqNBF_bwGfPrz2D4oRrmFNritqYKrjjjhvdEFIFT78IIICSkPpFrywnrFFFtd40 2OCjd46DDCy11LPh17WbvqvtNKvxYY1NJ4SC-rhs76zBBNAsra7Be> http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com <http://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?b3by8VxdwSyOqekNMUQsICM0sEeX2rL-xa14D aAWNbsgfGhEJmvbCXZuWrWbPNEVhsdTdQ-4VRbETKO--MebEKcfFBQkSkXzAmmkiV_QfB_mG uvbUDaOgfS21tnRqNBF_bwGfPrz2D4oRrmFNritqYKrjjjhvdEFIFT78IIICSkPpFrywnrFF Ftd402OCjd46DDCy11LPh17WbvqvtNKvxYY1NJcSC-rhs76zBBNAsra7Be> http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum <http://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?m6n4hP2r1J5AQsFzxNEVpdw0zVga-xa7bVa6h -6PRno4oJGCXZuWrWbPNEVhsdTdQ-4VRbETKO--MebEKcfFBQkSkXzAmmkiV_QfB_mGuvbUD aOgfS21tnRqNBF_bwGfPrz2D4oRrmFNritqYKrjjjhvdEFIFT78IIICSkPpFrywnrFFFtd40 2OCjd46DDCy11LPh17WbvqvtNKvxYY1NJASC-rhs76zBBNAsra7Be> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Excellent comments! Collier, RD LD Clinical Nutrition Manager Midland Memorial Hospital 2200 West Illinois Midland, TX 79701 fax leslie.collier@... ________________________________ From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf Of Renata Oliveira Mangrum Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:02 PM To: rd-usa Subject: With all due respect... Dear RD colleagues, I think we need to be zealous about our credential. The public lumps us with everyone else who claims to be experts in nutrition. That can be harmful when they think they have talked to a dietitian when, in fact, they haven't. I think the latest discussions have (finally) turned into good ideas on how to confront this, but treating others with respect (even when they are wrong or misinformed) *also* goes a long way. By no means I am downplaying the need for RDs to stand up for themselves and let people know their importance to individual and community health. But I keep seeing a we/they attitude that troubles me. RDs are not the only people who can speak authoritatively on nutrition. There ARE several nutrition experts out there who are very well respected and have worked hard to attain their knowledge. These are also people who help us in our mission as dietitians.Some may have even been your professors! When we make generalizations about non-RDs, we also include those people in those statements. Then we are hypocritical when we use their expertise. I have also heard several RDs give out misguided statements. Let's face it. The basic dietetics education is very broad and diverse. No RD on this list claims to have known it all once they passed the exam. And how many of you who are specialists have been frustrated to hear that an RD gave your client some misguided information? I don't hear as many rants about that. And let's not forget our own legacy of misguided recommendations, such as margarine is better than butter, eggs are bad for your cholesterol, and we should avoid fat like the plague. It's not that these recommendations meant to cause harm, but they were based on assumptions that made sense -- very plausible assumptions at that. And now we have evidence to prove it otherwise. Do we really expect people to want to listen to us when we can't figure out what we want to say? We have to do better than that. And let's stop complaining (or assuming) that ADA doesn't do anything. If you are an ADA member, make it count. I see a trend where people don't respect their doctor's opinions as much as their parents did. They are looking for information that is relevant to their experiences. They will get it anywhere, whether from an average blogger, Wikipedia, google, Oprah, you name it. If a dietitian can't relate to their needs in a relevant way, then no legislation and activism will increase the value of the dietitian. So, let's give respect where it is due, and respectfully speak out against those who have misguided the public. Let's protect our credential, but give it a reputation worth fighting for. For goodness sakes, it's not like we're running for president! ...yet :-) Respectfully yours, Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD. http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com <http://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?1opsh7c9I6QmjhOCe76zBAS03wT6rspg8MHfW sgfGhEJmvbCXZuWrWbPNEVhsdTdQ-4VRbETKO--MebEKcfFBQkSkXzAmmkiV_QfB_mGuvbUD aOgfS21tnRqNBF_bwGfPrz2D4oRrmFNritqYKrjjjhvdEFIFT78IIICSkPpFrywnrFFFtd40 2OCjd46DDCy11LPh17WbvqvtNKvxYY1NJ4SC-rhs76zBBNAsra7Be> http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com <http://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?b3by8VxdwSyOqekNMUQsICM0sEeX2rL-xa14D aAWNbsgfGhEJmvbCXZuWrWbPNEVhsdTdQ-4VRbETKO--MebEKcfFBQkSkXzAmmkiV_QfB_mG uvbUDaOgfS21tnRqNBF_bwGfPrz2D4oRrmFNritqYKrjjjhvdEFIFT78IIICSkPpFrywnrFF Ftd402OCjd46DDCy11LPh17WbvqvtNKvxYY1NJcSC-rhs76zBBNAsra7Be> http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum <http://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?m6n4hP2r1J5AQsFzxNEVpdw0zVga-xa7bVa6h -6PRno4oJGCXZuWrWbPNEVhsdTdQ-4VRbETKO--MebEKcfFBQkSkXzAmmkiV_QfB_mGuvbUD aOgfS21tnRqNBF_bwGfPrz2D4oRrmFNritqYKrjjjhvdEFIFT78IIICSkPpFrywnrFFFtd40 2OCjd46DDCy11LPh17WbvqvtNKvxYY1NJASC-rhs76zBBNAsra7Be> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Renata and all, The website that is being formed is for the sole purpose of showing that the field of dietetics is strong in numbers, is filled with many talents, good ethics and professionalism.? This is not about sectioning ourselves off from others, rather it is a way for the public to access the various skills of our wonderful group of RD's.? The intention is to provide a creative way of showing off our many services that are available to the public and are possibly being missed by those who are most in need of them.? In order to make a splash with the public, you have to take a more colorful approach, and that's what my vision has been.? All of a sudden the time was right for me to promote my idea, and my philosophy is this:? All great things start with one idea. That idea is now ripe!? There's a great saying that states: everything you need to do will jump out at you, and all the principles you learn will bring the success you want - if you are ready for it.? I became ready for it after the long discussion about Bob Greene.? The time is perfectly right for something like this.? There is a new administration coming to lead the country, and they are going to be more focused on prevention.? As a group, we are not trying to become arrogant, we are merely forming a nice stronghold of professionals in field of nutrition to attract the public's eye.? There are many groups that have sectioned off of a main group - nurses for one.? They are not sectioning off to become rebels, they are sectioning off because they want to reach the public in a more creative way.? This is going to be a work in progress, and it will get better with time.? I plan to have the site set up in the next couple of weeks, and once I get everyone listed,? I'm going to be heavily focusing on marketing.? I'm looking at all angles, and that's why I am really wanting to hear comments from all who are involved.? We are now 100 strong in less than 48 hours!!!? That's incredible,? and it goes to show you that a lot of others are ready to take a different approach as well.? I feel like I have made a lot of new friends by doing this project. The encouraging comments from those who contacted me with their info has been very strengthening and has made me so appreciative to be a part of this group.? As I was adding names to the list, I looked at websites and was awed by the wonderful talents and the neat approaches to nutrition dissemination.? I am also envisioning that this list will help MD's and other healthcare professionals to locate someone in their area. All in all, my intentions are to bring RD's back into the limelight.? After all, we are the original " food for life " promoters, and somehow that fact has become lost in the scramble of others that want to join the bandwagon.? The only difference is - we've been putting in the elbow grease for a lot of years and it's our time to shine!!!!?? or.....time to open the stall and let the horses out! Yours in health, Jacqui ? Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT The NATURAL dietitian Specializing in food sensitivities/allergy, Weight control, cardiac and diabetes nutrition Personal Nutrition Coaching and Lifestyle Design Plans to help you get on the health track Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients jpress50@... If you are what you eat, then dietitians are the doctors of the future With all due respect... Dear RD colleagues, I think we need to be zealous about our credential. The public lumps us with everyone else who claims to be experts in nutrition. That can be harmful when they think they have talked to a dietitian when, in fact, they haven't. I think the latest discussions have (finally) turned into good ideas on how to confront this, but treating others with respect (even when they are wrong or misinformed) *also* goes a long way. By no means I am downplaying the need for RDs to stand up for themselves and let people know their importance to individual and community health. But I keep seeing a we/they attitude that troubles me. RDs are not the only people who can speak authoritatively on nutrition. There ARE several nutrition experts out there who are very well respected and have worked hard to attain their knowledge. These are also people who help us in our mission as dietitians.Some may have even been your professors! When we make generalizations about non-RDs, we also include those people in those statements. Then we are hypocritical when we use their expertise. I have also heard several RDs give out misguided statements. Let's face it. The basic dietetics education is very broad and diverse. No RD on this list claims to have known it all once they passed the exam. And how many of you who are specialists have been frustrated to hear that an RD gave your client some misguided information? I don't hear as many rants about that. And let's not forget our own legacy of misguided recommendations, such as margarine is better than butter, eggs are bad for your cholesterol, and we should avoid fat like the plague. It's not that these recommendations meant to cause harm, but they were based on assumptions that made sense -- very plausible assumptions at that. And now we have evidence to prove it otherwise. Do we really expect people to want to listen to us when we can't figure out what we want to say? We have to do better than that. And let's stop complaining (or assuming) that ADA doesn't do anything. If you are an ADA member, make it count. I see a trend where people don't respect their doctor's opinions as much as their parents did. They are looking for information that is relevant to their experiences. They will get it anywhere, whether from an average blogger, Wikipedia, google, Oprah, you name it. If a dietitian can't relate to their needs in a relevant way, then no legislation and activism will increase the value of the dietitian. So, let's give respect where it is due, and respectfully speak out against those who have misguided the public. Let's protect our credential, but give it a reputation worth fighting for. For goodness sakes, it's not like we're running for president! ...yet :-) Respectfully yours, Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD. http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com <http://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?1opsh7c9I6QmjhOCe76zBAS03wT6rspg8MHfW sgfGhEJmvbCXZuWrWbPNEVhsdTdQ-4VRbETKO--MebEKcfFBQkSkXzAmmkiV_QfB_mGuvbUD aOgfS21tnRqNBF_bwGfPrz2D4oRrmFNritqYKrjjjhvdEFIFT78IIICSkPpFrywnrFFFtd40 2OCjd46DDCy11LPh17WbvqvtNKvxYY1NJ4SC-rhs76zBBNAsra7Be> http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com <http://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?b3by8VxdwSyOqekNMUQsICM0sEeX2rL-xa14D aAWNbsgfGhEJmvbCXZuWrWbPNEVhsdTdQ-4VRbETKO--MebEKcfFBQkSkXzAmmkiV_QfB_mG uvbUDaOgfS21tnRqNBF_bwGfPrz2D4oRrmFNritqYKrjjjhvdEFIFT78IIICSkPpFrywnrFF Ftd402OCjd46DDCy11LPh17WbvqvtNKvxYY1NJcSC-rhs76zBBNAsra7Be> http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum <http://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?m6n4hP2r1J5AQsFzxNEVpdw0zVga-xa7bVa6h -6PRno4oJGCXZuWrWbPNEVhsdTdQ-4VRbETKO--MebEKcfFBQkSkXzAmmkiV_QfB_mGuvbUD aOgfS21tnRqNBF_bwGfPrz2D4oRrmFNritqYKrjjjhvdEFIFT78IIICSkPpFrywnrFFFtd40 2OCjd46DDCy11LPh17WbvqvtNKvxYY1NJASC-rhs76zBBNAsra7Be> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2009 Report Share Posted January 16, 2009 Jacqui, I wholeheartedly agree with you! In fact, your website was what I was thinking of when I said, " I think the latest discussions have (finally) turned into good ideas on how to confront [the misuse of the dietitian credential]. " And I think your initiative will do a whole lot of good to that effect. I want to make it clear that we DO need to set ourselves apart from other professionals but the point in my post was not to do it by disrespecting others. Warmly, Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD. http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum > > Renata and all, > The website that is being formed is for the sole purpose of showing that > the field of dietetics is strong in numbers, is filled with many talents, > good ethics and professionalism.? This is not about sectioning ourselves off > from others, rather it is a way for the public to access the various skills > of our wonderful group of RD's.? The intention is to provide a creative way > of showing off our many services that are available to the public and are > possibly being missed by those who are most in need of them.? In order to > make a splash with the public, you have to take a more colorful approach, > and that's what my vision has been.? All of a sudden the time was right for > me to promote my idea, and my philosophy is this:? All great things start > with one idea. That idea is now ripe!? There's a great saying that states: > everything you need to do will jump out at you, and all the principles you > learn will bring the success you want - if you are ready for it.? I became > ready for it after the long discussion about Bob Greene.? The time is > perfectly right for something like this.? There is a new administration > coming to lead the country, and they are going to be more focused on > prevention.? As a group, we are not trying to become arrogant, we are merely > forming a nice stronghold of professionals in field of nutrition to attract > the public's eye.? There are many groups that have sectioned off of a main > group - nurses for one.? They are not sectioning off to become rebels, they > are sectioning off because they want to reach the public in a more creative > way.? > This is going to be a work in progress, and it will get better with time.? > I plan to have the site set up in the next couple of weeks, and once I get > everyone listed,? I'm going to be heavily focusing on marketing.? I'm > looking at all angles, and that's why I am really wanting to hear comments > from all who are involved.? We are now 100 strong in less than 48 hours!!!? > That's incredible,? and it goes to show you that a lot of others are ready > to take a different approach as well.? I feel like I have made a lot of new > friends by doing this project. The encouraging comments from those who > contacted me with their info has been very strengthening and has made me so > appreciative to be a part of this group.? As I was adding names to the list, > I looked at websites and was awed by the wonderful talents and the neat > approaches to nutrition dissemination.? I am also envisioning that this list > will help MD's and other healthcare professionals to locate someone in their > area. > All in all, my intentions are to bring RD's back into the limelight.? After > all, we are the original " food for life " promoters, and somehow that fact > has become lost in the scramble of others that want to join the bandwagon.? > The only difference is - we've been putting in the elbow grease for a lot of > years and it's our time to shine!!!!?? or.....time to open the stall and let > the horses out! > > Yours in health, > Jacqui > > ? > > Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT > The NATURAL dietitian > Specializing in food sensitivities/allergy, Weight control, > cardiac and diabetes nutrition > Personal Nutrition Coaching and Lifestyle Design Plans to help you > get on the health track > Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania > Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients > > jpress50@... <jpress50%40aol.com> > > If you are what you eat, then dietitians are the doctors of the future > > > With all due respect... > > Dear RD colleagues, > > I think we need to be zealous about our credential. The public lumps us > > with > > everyone else who claims to be experts in nutrition. That can be harmful > > when they think they have talked to a dietitian when, in fact, they > > haven't. > > I think the latest discussions have (finally) turned into good ideas on > > how > > to confront this, but treating others with respect (even when they are > > wrong > > or misinformed) *also* goes a long way. > > By no means I am downplaying the need for RDs to stand up for themselves > > and > > let people know their importance to individual and community health. But > > I > > keep seeing a we/they attitude that troubles me. RDs are not the only > > people > > who can speak authoritatively on nutrition. There ARE several nutrition > > experts out there who are very well respected and have worked hard to > > attain > > their knowledge. These are also people who help us in our mission as > > dietitians.Some may have even been your professors! When we make > > generalizations about non-RDs, we also include those people in those > > statements. Then we are hypocritical when we use their expertise. > > I have also heard several RDs give out misguided statements. Let's face > > it. > > The basic dietetics education is very broad and diverse. No RD on this > > list > > claims to have known it all once they passed the exam. And how many of > > you > > who are specialists have been frustrated to hear that an RD gave your > > client > > some misguided information? I don't hear as many rants about that. And > > let's > > not forget our own legacy of misguided recommendations, such as > > margarine is > > better than butter, eggs are bad for your cholesterol, and we should > > avoid > > fat like the plague. It's not that these recommendations meant to cause > > harm, but they were based on assumptions that made sense -- very > > plausible > > assumptions at that. And now we have evidence to prove it otherwise. Do > > we > > really expect people to want to listen to us when we can't figure out > > what > > we want to say? We have to do better than that. > > And let's stop complaining (or assuming) that ADA doesn't do anything. > > If > > you are an ADA member, make it count. > > I see a trend where people don't respect their doctor's opinions as much > > as > > their parents did. They are looking for information that is relevant to > > their experiences. They will get it anywhere, whether from an average > > blogger, Wikipedia, google, Oprah, you name it. If a dietitian can't > > relate > > to their needs in a relevant way, then no legislation and activism will > > increase the value of the dietitian. > > So, let's give respect where it is due, and respectfully speak out > > against > > those who have misguided the public. Let's protect our credential, but > > give > > it a reputation worth fighting for. For goodness sakes, it's not like > > we're > > running for president! ...yet :-) > > Respectfully yours, > > Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD. > > http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com > > <http://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?1opsh7c9I6QmjhOCe76zBAS03wT6rspg8MHfW > > sgfGhEJmvbCXZuWrWbPNEVhsdTdQ-4VRbETKO--MebEKcfFBQkSkXzAmmkiV_QfB_mGuvbUD > > aOgfS21tnRqNBF_bwGfPrz2D4oRrmFNritqYKrjjjhvdEFIFT78IIICSkPpFrywnrFFFtd40 > > 2OCjd46DDCy11LPh17WbvqvtNKvxYY1NJ4SC-rhs76zBBNAsra7Be> > > http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com > > <http://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?b3by8VxdwSyOqekNMUQsICM0sEeX2rL-xa14D > > aAWNbsgfGhEJmvbCXZuWrWbPNEVhsdTdQ-4VRbETKO--MebEKcfFBQkSkXzAmmkiV_QfB_mG > > uvbUDaOgfS21tnRqNBF_bwGfPrz2D4oRrmFNritqYKrjjjhvdEFIFT78IIICSkPpFrywnrFF > > Ftd402OCjd46DDCy11LPh17WbvqvtNKvxYY1NJcSC-rhs76zBBNAsra7Be> > > http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum > > <http://console.mxlogic.com/redir/?m6n4hP2r1J5AQsFzxNEVpdw0zVga-xa7bVa6h > > -6PRno4oJGCXZuWrWbPNEVhsdTdQ-4VRbETKO--MebEKcfFBQkSkXzAmmkiV_QfB_mGuvbUD > > aOgfS21tnRqNBF_bwGfPrz2D4oRrmFNritqYKrjjjhvdEFIFT78IIICSkPpFrywnrFFFtd40 > > 2OCjd46DDCy11LPh17WbvqvtNKvxYY1NJASC-rhs76zBBNAsra7Be> > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2009 Report Share Posted January 17, 2009 I agree , but I think there was a misprint in your statements, ie butter is better than margarine... Subject: With all due respect... To: rd-usa Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:02 PM Dear RD colleagues, I think we need to be zealous about our credential. The public lumps us with everyone else who claims to be experts in nutrition. That can be harmful when they think they have talked to a dietitian when, in fact, they haven't. I think the latest discussions have (finally) turned into good ideas on how to confront this, but treating others with respect (even when they are wrong or misinformed) *also* goes a long way. By no means I am downplaying the need for RDs to stand up for themselves and let people know their importance to individual and community health. But I keep seeing a we/they attitude that troubles me. RDs are not the only people who can speak authoritatively on nutrition. There ARE several nutrition experts out there who are very well respected and have worked hard to attain their knowledge. These are also people who help us in our mission as dietitians.Some may have even been your professors! When we make generalizations about non-RDs, we also include those people in those statements. Then we are hypocritical when we use their expertise. I have also heard several RDs give out misguided statements. Let's face it. The basic dietetics education is very broad and diverse. No RD on this list claims to have known it all once they passed the exam. And how many of you who are specialists have been frustrated to hear that an RD gave your client some misguided information? I don't hear as many rants about that. And let's not forget our own legacy of misguided recommendations, such as margarine is better than butter, eggs are bad for your cholesterol, and we should avoid fat like the plague. It's not that these recommendations meant to cause harm, but they were based on assumptions that made sense -- very plausible assumptions at that. And now we have evidence to prove it otherwise. Do we really expect people to want to listen to us when we can't figure out what we want to say? We have to do better than that. And let's stop complaining (or assuming) that ADA doesn't do anything. If you are an ADA member, make it count. I see a trend where people don't respect their doctor's opinions as much as their parents did. They are looking for information that is relevant to their experiences. They will get it anywhere, whether from an average blogger, Wikipedia, google, Oprah, you name it. If a dietitian can't relate to their needs in a relevant way, then no legislation and activism will increase the value of the dietitian. So, let's give respect where it is due, and respectfully speak out against those who have misguided the public. Let's protect our credential, but give it a reputation worth fighting for. For goodness sakes, it's not like we're running for president! ...yet :-) Respectfully yours, Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD. http://nurturingnot es.blogspot. com http://infantfeedin ghistory. blogspot. com http://www.linkedin .com/in/renatama ngrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 I am chimming in late I am sure, however as an RD, I am reluctant to give support what I consider new food product, especially when it supports claims that hasn't standed the test of time. I consider margarine a " new " chemical that is suppose to replace a product (butter) that has been around for centuries. A 10-15 year study, in my opinion does not really test the generational affect of a chemical. I too use butter, but in moderation. I use oil in my foods, but olive oil. I consume bread, but it is whole wheat, we eat sugar, but limited, we usually do not consume products that don't have any value (other than taste). We eat fruit, organic if reasonably priced, but generally what is seasonally available. We eat meat, but only 2-3 ounce portions. We eat eggs, always have and always will. I encourage small changes that will stand the test of time, but I rarely encouarge 'chemically or genetically modified foods. I encourage using foods that were created by generations of huma n beings, and have proven. however I always suggest moderation, much less frying, more whole foods and raw when possible, meat 2-3 times a week. lower fat diary, but not fat free (fat free does not provide the satiety needed to not feel hungry) But, in our family the TV is off Sunday night thru Friday afternoon, so my children play outside, or with each other. We are all reasonably active, healthy and happy. IF we could get the food manufacturers to have our best interest at heart, or encourage 'no magic pill' or easy way of healthy maintenance... but Americans in general want the quick easy way and moderation and consistency are not accepted well by the masses.... I will get off my soap box. thanks. Holly Greuling -- 'Life isn't about how to survive the storm,but how to dance in the rain.' --------- With all due respect... To: rd-usa Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:02 PM Dear RD colleagues, I think we need to be zealous about our credential. The public lumps us with everyone else who claims to be experts in nutrition. That can be harmful when they think they have talked to a dietitian when, in fact, they haven't. I think the latest discussions have (finally) turned into good ideas on how to confront this, but treating others with respect (even when they are wrong or misinformed) *also* goes a long way. By no means I am downplaying the need for RDs to stand up for themselves and let people know their importance to individual and community health. But I keep seeing a we/they attitude that troubles me. RDs are not the only people who can speak authoritatively on nutrition. There ARE several nutrition experts out there who are very well respected and have worked hard to attain their knowledge. These are also people who help us in our mission as dietitians.Some may have even been your professors! When we make generalizations about non-RDs, we also include those people in those statements. Then we are hypocritical when we use their expertise. I have also heard several RDs give out misguided statements. Let's face it. The basic dietetics education is very broad and diverse. No RD on this list claims to have known it all once they passed the exam. And how many of you who are specialists have been frustrated to hear that an RD gave your client some misguided information? I don't hear as many rants about that. And let's not forget our own legacy of misguided recommendations, such as margarine is better than butter, eggs are bad for your cholesterol, and we should avoid fat like the plague. It's not that these recommendations meant to cause harm, but they were based on assumptions that made sense -- very plausible assumptions at that. And now we have evidence to prove it otherwise. Do we really expect people to want to listen to us when we can't figure out what we want to say? We have to do better than that. And let's stop complaining (or assuming) that ADA doesn't do anything. If you are an ADA member, make it count. I see a trend where people don't respect their doctor's opinions as much as their parents did. They are looking for information that is relevant to their experiences. They will get it anywhere, whether from an average blogger, Wikipedia, google, Oprah, you name it. If a dietitian can't relate to their needs in a relevant way, then no legislation and activism will increase the value of the dietitian. So, let's give respect where it is due, and respectfully speak out against those who have misguided the public. Let's protect our credential, but give it a reputation worth fighting for. For goodness sakes, it's not like we're running for president! ...yet :-) Respectfully yours, Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD. http://nurturingnot es.blogspot. com http://infantfeedin ghistory. blogspot. com http://www.linkedin .com/in/renatama ngrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 I am chimming in late I am sure, however as an RD, I am reluctant to give support what I consider new food product, especially when it supports claims that hasn't standed the test of time. I consider margarine a " new " chemical that is suppose to replace a product (butter) that has been around for centuries. A 10-15 year study, in my opinion does not really test the generational affect of a chemical. I too use butter, but in moderation. I use oil in my foods, but olive oil. I consume bread, but it is whole wheat, we eat sugar, but limited, we usually do not consume products that don't have any value (other than taste). We eat fruit, organic if reasonably priced, but generally what is seasonally available. We eat meat, but only 2-3 ounce portions. We eat eggs, always have and always will. I encourage small changes that will stand the test of time, but I rarely encouarge 'chemically or genetically modified foods. I encourage using foods that were created by generations of huma n beings, and have proven. however I always suggest moderation, much less frying, more whole foods and raw when possible, meat 2-3 times a week. lower fat diary, but not fat free (fat free does not provide the satiety needed to not feel hungry) But, in our family the TV is off Sunday night thru Friday afternoon, so my children play outside, or with each other. We are all reasonably active, healthy and happy. IF we could get the food manufacturers to have our best interest at heart, or encourage 'no magic pill' or easy way of healthy maintenance... but Americans in general want the quick easy way and moderation and consistency are not accepted well by the masses.... I will get off my soap box. thanks. Holly Greuling -- 'Life isn't about how to survive the storm,but how to dance in the rain.' --------- With all due respect... To: rd-usa Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:02 PM Dear RD colleagues, I think we need to be zealous about our credential. The public lumps us with everyone else who claims to be experts in nutrition. That can be harmful when they think they have talked to a dietitian when, in fact, they haven't. I think the latest discussions have (finally) turned into good ideas on how to confront this, but treating others with respect (even when they are wrong or misinformed) *also* goes a long way. By no means I am downplaying the need for RDs to stand up for themselves and let people know their importance to individual and community health. But I keep seeing a we/they attitude that troubles me. RDs are not the only people who can speak authoritatively on nutrition. There ARE several nutrition experts out there who are very well respected and have worked hard to attain their knowledge. These are also people who help us in our mission as dietitians.Some may have even been your professors! When we make generalizations about non-RDs, we also include those people in those statements. Then we are hypocritical when we use their expertise. I have also heard several RDs give out misguided statements. Let's face it. The basic dietetics education is very broad and diverse. No RD on this list claims to have known it all once they passed the exam. And how many of you who are specialists have been frustrated to hear that an RD gave your client some misguided information? I don't hear as many rants about that. And let's not forget our own legacy of misguided recommendations, such as margarine is better than butter, eggs are bad for your cholesterol, and we should avoid fat like the plague. It's not that these recommendations meant to cause harm, but they were based on assumptions that made sense -- very plausible assumptions at that. And now we have evidence to prove it otherwise. Do we really expect people to want to listen to us when we can't figure out what we want to say? We have to do better than that. And let's stop complaining (or assuming) that ADA doesn't do anything. If you are an ADA member, make it count. I see a trend where people don't respect their doctor's opinions as much as their parents did. They are looking for information that is relevant to their experiences. They will get it anywhere, whether from an average blogger, Wikipedia, google, Oprah, you name it. If a dietitian can't relate to their needs in a relevant way, then no legislation and activism will increase the value of the dietitian. So, let's give respect where it is due, and respectfully speak out against those who have misguided the public. Let's protect our credential, but give it a reputation worth fighting for. For goodness sakes, it's not like we're running for president! ...yet :-) Respectfully yours, Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD. http://nurturingnot es.blogspot. com http://infantfeedin ghistory. blogspot. com http://www.linkedin .com/in/renatama ngrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2009 Report Share Posted January 19, 2009 I am chimming in late I am sure, however as an RD, I am reluctant to give support what I consider new food product, especially when it supports claims that hasn't standed the test of time. I consider margarine a " new " chemical that is suppose to replace a product (butter) that has been around for centuries. A 10-15 year study, in my opinion does not really test the generational affect of a chemical. I too use butter, but in moderation. I use oil in my foods, but olive oil. I consume bread, but it is whole wheat, we eat sugar, but limited, we usually do not consume products that don't have any value (other than taste). We eat fruit, organic if reasonably priced, but generally what is seasonally available. We eat meat, but only 2-3 ounce portions. We eat eggs, always have and always will. I encourage small changes that will stand the test of time, but I rarely encouarge 'chemically or genetically modified foods. I encourage using foods that were created by generations of huma n beings, and have proven. however I always suggest moderation, much less frying, more whole foods and raw when possible, meat 2-3 times a week. lower fat diary, but not fat free (fat free does not provide the satiety needed to not feel hungry) But, in our family the TV is off Sunday night thru Friday afternoon, so my children play outside, or with each other. We are all reasonably active, healthy and happy. IF we could get the food manufacturers to have our best interest at heart, or encourage 'no magic pill' or easy way of healthy maintenance... but Americans in general want the quick easy way and moderation and consistency are not accepted well by the masses.... I will get off my soap box. thanks. Holly Greuling -- 'Life isn't about how to survive the storm,but how to dance in the rain.' --------- With all due respect... To: rd-usa Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:02 PM Dear RD colleagues, I think we need to be zealous about our credential. The public lumps us with everyone else who claims to be experts in nutrition. That can be harmful when they think they have talked to a dietitian when, in fact, they haven't. I think the latest discussions have (finally) turned into good ideas on how to confront this, but treating others with respect (even when they are wrong or misinformed) *also* goes a long way. By no means I am downplaying the need for RDs to stand up for themselves and let people know their importance to individual and community health. But I keep seeing a we/they attitude that troubles me. RDs are not the only people who can speak authoritatively on nutrition. There ARE several nutrition experts out there who are very well respected and have worked hard to attain their knowledge. These are also people who help us in our mission as dietitians.Some may have even been your professors! When we make generalizations about non-RDs, we also include those people in those statements. Then we are hypocritical when we use their expertise. I have also heard several RDs give out misguided statements. Let's face it. The basic dietetics education is very broad and diverse. No RD on this list claims to have known it all once they passed the exam. And how many of you who are specialists have been frustrated to hear that an RD gave your client some misguided information? I don't hear as many rants about that. And let's not forget our own legacy of misguided recommendations, such as margarine is better than butter, eggs are bad for your cholesterol, and we should avoid fat like the plague. It's not that these recommendations meant to cause harm, but they were based on assumptions that made sense -- very plausible assumptions at that. And now we have evidence to prove it otherwise. Do we really expect people to want to listen to us when we can't figure out what we want to say? We have to do better than that. And let's stop complaining (or assuming) that ADA doesn't do anything. If you are an ADA member, make it count. I see a trend where people don't respect their doctor's opinions as much as their parents did. They are looking for information that is relevant to their experiences. They will get it anywhere, whether from an average blogger, Wikipedia, google, Oprah, you name it. If a dietitian can't relate to their needs in a relevant way, then no legislation and activism will increase the value of the dietitian. So, let's give respect where it is due, and respectfully speak out against those who have misguided the public. Let's protect our credential, but give it a reputation worth fighting for. For goodness sakes, it's not like we're running for president! ...yet :-) Respectfully yours, Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD. http://nurturingnot es.blogspot. com http://infantfeedin ghistory. blogspot. com http://www.linkedin .com/in/renatama ngrum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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