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Dear RD colleagues,

I think we need to be zealous about our credential. The public lumps us with

everyone else who claims to be experts in nutrition. That can be harmful

when they think they have talked to a dietitian when, in fact, they haven't.

I think the latest discussions have (finally) turned into good ideas on how

to confront this, but treating others with respect (even when they are wrong

or misinformed) *also* goes a long way.

By no means I am downplaying the need for RDs to stand up for themselves and

let people know their importance to individual and community health. But I

keep seeing a we/they attitude that troubles me. RDs are not the only people

who can speak authoritatively on nutrition. There ARE several nutrition

experts out there who are very well respected and have worked hard to attain

their knowledge. These are also people who help us in our mission as

dietitians.Some may have even been your professors! When we make

generalizations about non-RDs, we also include those people in those

statements. Then we are hypocritical when we use their expertise.

I have also heard several RDs give out misguided statements. Let's face it.

The basic dietetics education is very broad and diverse. No RD on this list

claims to have known it all once they passed the exam. And how many of you

who are specialists have been frustrated to hear that an RD gave your client

some misguided information? I don't hear as many rants about that. And let's

not forget our own legacy of misguided recommendations, such as margarine is

better than butter, eggs are bad for your cholesterol, and we should avoid

fat like the plague. It's not that these recommendations meant to cause

harm, but they were based on assumptions that made sense -- very plausible

assumptions at that. And now we have evidence to prove it otherwise. Do we

really expect people to want to listen to us when we can't figure out what

we want to say? We have to do better than that.

And let's stop complaining (or assuming) that ADA doesn't do anything. If

you are an ADA member, make it count.

I see a trend where people don't respect their doctor's opinions as much as

their parents did. They are looking for information that is relevant to

their experiences. They will get it anywhere, whether from an average

blogger, Wikipedia, google, Oprah, you name it. If a dietitian can't relate

to their needs in a relevant way, then no legislation and activism will

increase the value of the dietitian.

So, let's give respect where it is due, and respectfully speak out against

those who have misguided the public. Let's protect our credential, but give

it a reputation worth fighting for. For goodness sakes, it's not like we're

running for president! ...yet :-)

Respectfully yours,

Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

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Excellent comments!

Collier, RD LD

Clinical Nutrition Manager

Midland Memorial Hospital

2200 West Illinois

Midland, TX 79701

fax

leslie.collier@...

________________________________

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf

Of Renata Oliveira Mangrum

Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:02 PM

To: rd-usa

Subject: With all due respect...

Dear RD colleagues,

I think we need to be zealous about our credential. The public lumps us

with

everyone else who claims to be experts in nutrition. That can be harmful

when they think they have talked to a dietitian when, in fact, they

haven't.

I think the latest discussions have (finally) turned into good ideas on

how

to confront this, but treating others with respect (even when they are

wrong

or misinformed) *also* goes a long way.

By no means I am downplaying the need for RDs to stand up for themselves

and

let people know their importance to individual and community health. But

I

keep seeing a we/they attitude that troubles me. RDs are not the only

people

who can speak authoritatively on nutrition. There ARE several nutrition

experts out there who are very well respected and have worked hard to

attain

their knowledge. These are also people who help us in our mission as

dietitians.Some may have even been your professors! When we make

generalizations about non-RDs, we also include those people in those

statements. Then we are hypocritical when we use their expertise.

I have also heard several RDs give out misguided statements. Let's face

it.

The basic dietetics education is very broad and diverse. No RD on this

list

claims to have known it all once they passed the exam. And how many of

you

who are specialists have been frustrated to hear that an RD gave your

client

some misguided information? I don't hear as many rants about that. And

let's

not forget our own legacy of misguided recommendations, such as

margarine is

better than butter, eggs are bad for your cholesterol, and we should

avoid

fat like the plague. It's not that these recommendations meant to cause

harm, but they were based on assumptions that made sense -- very

plausible

assumptions at that. And now we have evidence to prove it otherwise. Do

we

really expect people to want to listen to us when we can't figure out

what

we want to say? We have to do better than that.

And let's stop complaining (or assuming) that ADA doesn't do anything.

If

you are an ADA member, make it count.

I see a trend where people don't respect their doctor's opinions as much

as

their parents did. They are looking for information that is relevant to

their experiences. They will get it anywhere, whether from an average

blogger, Wikipedia, google, Oprah, you name it. If a dietitian can't

relate

to their needs in a relevant way, then no legislation and activism will

increase the value of the dietitian.

So, let's give respect where it is due, and respectfully speak out

against

those who have misguided the public. Let's protect our credential, but

give

it a reputation worth fighting for. For goodness sakes, it's not like

we're

running for president! ...yet :-)

Respectfully yours,

Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

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Excellent comments!

Collier, RD LD

Clinical Nutrition Manager

Midland Memorial Hospital

2200 West Illinois

Midland, TX 79701

fax

leslie.collier@...

________________________________

From: rd-usa [mailto:rd-usa ] On Behalf

Of Renata Oliveira Mangrum

Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2009 8:02 PM

To: rd-usa

Subject: With all due respect...

Dear RD colleagues,

I think we need to be zealous about our credential. The public lumps us

with

everyone else who claims to be experts in nutrition. That can be harmful

when they think they have talked to a dietitian when, in fact, they

haven't.

I think the latest discussions have (finally) turned into good ideas on

how

to confront this, but treating others with respect (even when they are

wrong

or misinformed) *also* goes a long way.

By no means I am downplaying the need for RDs to stand up for themselves

and

let people know their importance to individual and community health. But

I

keep seeing a we/they attitude that troubles me. RDs are not the only

people

who can speak authoritatively on nutrition. There ARE several nutrition

experts out there who are very well respected and have worked hard to

attain

their knowledge. These are also people who help us in our mission as

dietitians.Some may have even been your professors! When we make

generalizations about non-RDs, we also include those people in those

statements. Then we are hypocritical when we use their expertise.

I have also heard several RDs give out misguided statements. Let's face

it.

The basic dietetics education is very broad and diverse. No RD on this

list

claims to have known it all once they passed the exam. And how many of

you

who are specialists have been frustrated to hear that an RD gave your

client

some misguided information? I don't hear as many rants about that. And

let's

not forget our own legacy of misguided recommendations, such as

margarine is

better than butter, eggs are bad for your cholesterol, and we should

avoid

fat like the plague. It's not that these recommendations meant to cause

harm, but they were based on assumptions that made sense -- very

plausible

assumptions at that. And now we have evidence to prove it otherwise. Do

we

really expect people to want to listen to us when we can't figure out

what

we want to say? We have to do better than that.

And let's stop complaining (or assuming) that ADA doesn't do anything.

If

you are an ADA member, make it count.

I see a trend where people don't respect their doctor's opinions as much

as

their parents did. They are looking for information that is relevant to

their experiences. They will get it anywhere, whether from an average

blogger, Wikipedia, google, Oprah, you name it. If a dietitian can't

relate

to their needs in a relevant way, then no legislation and activism will

increase the value of the dietitian.

So, let's give respect where it is due, and respectfully speak out

against

those who have misguided the public. Let's protect our credential, but

give

it a reputation worth fighting for. For goodness sakes, it's not like

we're

running for president! ...yet :-)

Respectfully yours,

Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

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Renata and all,

The website that is being formed is for the sole purpose of showing that the

field of dietetics is strong in numbers, is filled with many talents, good

ethics and professionalism.? This is not about sectioning ourselves off from

others, rather it is a way for the public to access the various skills of our

wonderful group of RD's.? The intention is to provide a creative way of showing

off our many services that are available to the public and are possibly being

missed by those who are most in need of them.? In order to make a splash with

the public, you have to take a more colorful approach, and that's what my vision

has been.? All of a sudden the time was right for me to promote my idea, and my

philosophy is this:? All great things start with one idea. That idea is now

ripe!? There's a great saying that states: everything you need to do will jump

out at you, and all the principles you learn will bring the success you want -

if you are ready for it.? I became ready for it after the long discussion about

Bob Greene.? The time is perfectly right for something like this.? There is a

new administration coming to lead the country, and they are going to be more

focused on prevention.? As a group, we are not trying to become arrogant, we are

merely forming a nice stronghold of professionals in field of nutrition to

attract the public's eye.? There are many groups that have sectioned off of a

main group - nurses for one.? They are not sectioning off to become rebels, they

are sectioning off because they want to reach the public in a more creative

way.?

This is going to be a work in progress, and it will get better with time.? I

plan to have the site set up in the next couple of weeks, and once I get

everyone listed,? I'm going to be heavily focusing on marketing.? I'm looking at

all angles, and that's why I am really wanting to hear comments from all who are

involved.? We are now 100 strong in less than 48 hours!!!? That's incredible,?

and it goes to show you that a lot of others are ready to take a different

approach as well.? I feel like I have made a lot of new friends by doing this

project. The encouraging comments from those who contacted me with their info

has been very strengthening and has made me so appreciative to be a part of this

group.? As I was adding names to the list, I looked at websites and was awed by

the wonderful talents and the neat approaches to nutrition dissemination.? I am

also envisioning that this list will help MD's and other healthcare

professionals to locate someone in their area.

All in all, my intentions are to bring RD's back into the limelight.? After all,

we are the original " food for life " promoters, and somehow that fact has become

lost in the scramble of others that want to join the bandwagon.? The only

difference is - we've been putting in the elbow grease for a lot of years and

it's our time to shine!!!!?? or.....time to open the stall and let the horses

out!

Yours in health,

Jacqui

?

Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

The NATURAL dietitian

Specializing in food sensitivities/allergy, Weight control,

cardiac and diabetes nutrition

Personal Nutrition Coaching and Lifestyle Design Plans to help you

get on the health track

Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

jpress50@...

If you are what you eat, then dietitians are the doctors of the future

With all due respect...

Dear RD colleagues,

I think we need to be zealous about our credential. The public lumps us

with

everyone else who claims to be experts in nutrition. That can be harmful

when they think they have talked to a dietitian when, in fact, they

haven't.

I think the latest discussions have (finally) turned into good ideas on

how

to confront this, but treating others with respect (even when they are

wrong

or misinformed) *also* goes a long way.

By no means I am downplaying the need for RDs to stand up for themselves

and

let people know their importance to individual and community health. But

I

keep seeing a we/they attitude that troubles me. RDs are not the only

people

who can speak authoritatively on nutrition. There ARE several nutrition

experts out there who are very well respected and have worked hard to

attain

their knowledge. These are also people who help us in our mission as

dietitians.Some may have even been your professors! When we make

generalizations about non-RDs, we also include those people in those

statements. Then we are hypocritical when we use their expertise.

I have also heard several RDs give out misguided statements. Let's face

it.

The basic dietetics education is very broad and diverse. No RD on this

list

claims to have known it all once they passed the exam. And how many of

you

who are specialists have been frustrated to hear that an RD gave your

client

some misguided information? I don't hear as many rants about that. And

let's

not forget our own legacy of misguided recommendations, such as

margarine is

better than butter, eggs are bad for your cholesterol, and we should

avoid

fat like the plague. It's not that these recommendations meant to cause

harm, but they were based on assumptions that made sense -- very

plausible

assumptions at that. And now we have evidence to prove it otherwise. Do

we

really expect people to want to listen to us when we can't figure out

what

we want to say? We have to do better than that.

And let's stop complaining (or assuming) that ADA doesn't do anything.

If

you are an ADA member, make it count.

I see a trend where people don't respect their doctor's opinions as much

as

their parents did. They are looking for information that is relevant to

their experiences. They will get it anywhere, whether from an average

blogger, Wikipedia, google, Oprah, you name it. If a dietitian can't

relate

to their needs in a relevant way, then no legislation and activism will

increase the value of the dietitian.

So, let's give respect where it is due, and respectfully speak out

against

those who have misguided the public. Let's protect our credential, but

give

it a reputation worth fighting for. For goodness sakes, it's not like

we're

running for president! ...yet :-)

Respectfully yours,

Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

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Jacqui,

I wholeheartedly agree with you! In fact, your website was what I was

thinking of when I said, " I think the latest discussions have (finally)

turned into good ideas on how to confront [the misuse of the dietitian

credential]. " And I think your initiative will do a whole lot of good to

that effect. I want to make it clear that we DO need to set ourselves apart

from other professionals but the point in my post was not to do it by

disrespecting others.

Warmly,

Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

http://infantfeedinghistory.blogspot.com

http://www.linkedin.com/in/renatamangrum

>

> Renata and all,

> The website that is being formed is for the sole purpose of showing that

> the field of dietetics is strong in numbers, is filled with many talents,

> good ethics and professionalism.? This is not about sectioning ourselves off

> from others, rather it is a way for the public to access the various skills

> of our wonderful group of RD's.? The intention is to provide a creative way

> of showing off our many services that are available to the public and are

> possibly being missed by those who are most in need of them.? In order to

> make a splash with the public, you have to take a more colorful approach,

> and that's what my vision has been.? All of a sudden the time was right for

> me to promote my idea, and my philosophy is this:? All great things start

> with one idea. That idea is now ripe!? There's a great saying that states:

> everything you need to do will jump out at you, and all the principles you

> learn will bring the success you want - if you are ready for it.? I became

> ready for it after the long discussion about Bob Greene.? The time is

> perfectly right for something like this.? There is a new administration

> coming to lead the country, and they are going to be more focused on

> prevention.? As a group, we are not trying to become arrogant, we are merely

> forming a nice stronghold of professionals in field of nutrition to attract

> the public's eye.? There are many groups that have sectioned off of a main

> group - nurses for one.? They are not sectioning off to become rebels, they

> are sectioning off because they want to reach the public in a more creative

> way.?

> This is going to be a work in progress, and it will get better with time.?

> I plan to have the site set up in the next couple of weeks, and once I get

> everyone listed,? I'm going to be heavily focusing on marketing.? I'm

> looking at all angles, and that's why I am really wanting to hear comments

> from all who are involved.? We are now 100 strong in less than 48 hours!!!?

> That's incredible,? and it goes to show you that a lot of others are ready

> to take a different approach as well.? I feel like I have made a lot of new

> friends by doing this project. The encouraging comments from those who

> contacted me with their info has been very strengthening and has made me so

> appreciative to be a part of this group.? As I was adding names to the list,

> I looked at websites and was awed by the wonderful talents and the neat

> approaches to nutrition dissemination.? I am also envisioning that this list

> will help MD's and other healthcare professionals to locate someone in their

> area.

> All in all, my intentions are to bring RD's back into the limelight.? After

> all, we are the original " food for life " promoters, and somehow that fact

> has become lost in the scramble of others that want to join the bandwagon.?

> The only difference is - we've been putting in the elbow grease for a lot of

> years and it's our time to shine!!!!?? or.....time to open the stall and let

> the horses out!

>

> Yours in health,

> Jacqui

>

> ?

>

> Jacquelyn A. Pressly, RD, CLT

> The NATURAL dietitian

> Specializing in food sensitivities/allergy, Weight control,

> cardiac and diabetes nutrition

> Personal Nutrition Coaching and Lifestyle Design Plans to help you

> get on the health track

> Northeast Ohio & Western Pennsylvania

> Internet and telecounseling available for distance clients

>

> jpress50@... <jpress50%40aol.com>

>

> If you are what you eat, then dietitians are the doctors of the future

>

>

> With all due respect...

>

> Dear RD colleagues,

>

> I think we need to be zealous about our credential. The public lumps us

>

> with

>

> everyone else who claims to be experts in nutrition. That can be harmful

>

> when they think they have talked to a dietitian when, in fact, they

>

> haven't.

>

> I think the latest discussions have (finally) turned into good ideas on

>

> how

>

> to confront this, but treating others with respect (even when they are

>

> wrong

>

> or misinformed) *also* goes a long way.

>

> By no means I am downplaying the need for RDs to stand up for themselves

>

> and

>

> let people know their importance to individual and community health. But

>

> I

>

> keep seeing a we/they attitude that troubles me. RDs are not the only

>

> people

>

> who can speak authoritatively on nutrition. There ARE several nutrition

>

> experts out there who are very well respected and have worked hard to

>

> attain

>

> their knowledge. These are also people who help us in our mission as

>

> dietitians.Some may have even been your professors! When we make

>

> generalizations about non-RDs, we also include those people in those

>

> statements. Then we are hypocritical when we use their expertise.

>

> I have also heard several RDs give out misguided statements. Let's face

>

> it.

>

> The basic dietetics education is very broad and diverse. No RD on this

>

> list

>

> claims to have known it all once they passed the exam. And how many of

>

> you

>

> who are specialists have been frustrated to hear that an RD gave your

>

> client

>

> some misguided information? I don't hear as many rants about that. And

>

> let's

>

> not forget our own legacy of misguided recommendations, such as

>

> margarine is

>

> better than butter, eggs are bad for your cholesterol, and we should

>

> avoid

>

> fat like the plague. It's not that these recommendations meant to cause

>

> harm, but they were based on assumptions that made sense -- very

>

> plausible

>

> assumptions at that. And now we have evidence to prove it otherwise. Do

>

> we

>

> really expect people to want to listen to us when we can't figure out

>

> what

>

> we want to say? We have to do better than that.

>

> And let's stop complaining (or assuming) that ADA doesn't do anything.

>

> If

>

> you are an ADA member, make it count.

>

> I see a trend where people don't respect their doctor's opinions as much

>

> as

>

> their parents did. They are looking for information that is relevant to

>

> their experiences. They will get it anywhere, whether from an average

>

> blogger, Wikipedia, google, Oprah, you name it. If a dietitian can't

>

> relate

>

> to their needs in a relevant way, then no legislation and activism will

>

> increase the value of the dietitian.

>

> So, let's give respect where it is due, and respectfully speak out

>

> against

>

> those who have misguided the public. Let's protect our credential, but

>

> give

>

> it a reputation worth fighting for. For goodness sakes, it's not like

>

> we're

>

> running for president! ...yet :-)

>

> Respectfully yours,

>

> Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

>

> http://nurturingnotes.blogspot.com

>

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I agree , but I think there was a misprint in your statements, ie butter is

better than margarine...

Subject: With all due respect...

To: rd-usa

Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:02 PM

Dear RD colleagues,

I think we need to be zealous about our credential. The public lumps us with

everyone else who claims to be experts in nutrition. That can be harmful

when they think they have talked to a dietitian when, in fact, they haven't.

I think the latest discussions have (finally) turned into good ideas on how

to confront this, but treating others with respect (even when they are wrong

or misinformed) *also* goes a long way.

By no means I am downplaying the need for RDs to stand up for themselves and

let people know their importance to individual and community health. But I

keep seeing a we/they attitude that troubles me. RDs are not the only people

who can speak authoritatively on nutrition. There ARE several nutrition

experts out there who are very well respected and have worked hard to attain

their knowledge. These are also people who help us in our mission as

dietitians.Some may have even been your professors! When we make

generalizations about non-RDs, we also include those people in those

statements. Then we are hypocritical when we use their expertise.

I have also heard several RDs give out misguided statements. Let's face it.

The basic dietetics education is very broad and diverse. No RD on this list

claims to have known it all once they passed the exam. And how many of you

who are specialists have been frustrated to hear that an RD gave your client

some misguided information? I don't hear as many rants about that. And let's

not forget our own legacy of misguided recommendations, such as margarine is

better than butter, eggs are bad for your cholesterol, and we should avoid

fat like the plague. It's not that these recommendations meant to cause

harm, but they were based on assumptions that made sense -- very plausible

assumptions at that. And now we have evidence to prove it otherwise. Do we

really expect people to want to listen to us when we can't figure out what

we want to say? We have to do better than that.

And let's stop complaining (or assuming) that ADA doesn't do anything. If

you are an ADA member, make it count.

I see a trend where people don't respect their doctor's opinions as much as

their parents did. They are looking for information that is relevant to

their experiences. They will get it anywhere, whether from an average

blogger, Wikipedia, google, Oprah, you name it. If a dietitian can't relate

to their needs in a relevant way, then no legislation and activism will

increase the value of the dietitian.

So, let's give respect where it is due, and respectfully speak out against

those who have misguided the public. Let's protect our credential, but give

it a reputation worth fighting for. For goodness sakes, it's not like we're

running for president! ...yet :-)

Respectfully yours,

Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

http://nurturingnot es.blogspot. com

http://infantfeedin ghistory. blogspot. com

http://www.linkedin .com/in/renatama ngrum

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I am chimming in late I am sure, however as an RD, I am reluctant to give

support what I consider new food product, especially when it supports claims

that hasn't standed the test of time. I consider margarine a " new " chemical

that is suppose to replace a product (butter) that has been around for

centuries. A 10-15 year study, in my opinion does not really test the

generational affect of a chemical. I too use butter, but in moderation. I use

oil in my foods, but olive oil. I consume bread, but it is whole wheat, we eat

sugar, but limited, we usually do not consume products that don't have any value

(other than taste). We eat fruit, organic if reasonably priced, but generally

what is seasonally available. We eat meat, but only 2-3 ounce portions. We eat

eggs, always have and always will. I encourage small changes that will stand the

test of time, but I rarely encouarge 'chemically or genetically modified foods.

I encourage using foods that were created by generations of huma

n beings, and have proven. however I always suggest moderation, much less

frying, more whole foods and raw when possible, meat 2-3 times a week. lower fat

diary, but not fat free (fat free does not provide the satiety needed to not

feel hungry) But, in our family the TV is off Sunday night thru Friday

afternoon, so my children play outside, or with each other. We are all

reasonably active, healthy and happy. IF we could get the food manufacturers to

have our best interest at heart, or encourage 'no magic pill' or easy way of

healthy maintenance... but Americans in general want the quick easy way and

moderation and consistency are not accepted well by the masses....

I will get off my soap box.

thanks.

Holly Greuling

--

'Life isn't about how to survive the storm,but how to dance in the rain.'

--------- With all due respect...

To: rd-usa

Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:02 PM

Dear RD colleagues,

I think we need to be zealous about our credential. The public lumps us with

everyone else who claims to be experts in nutrition. That can be harmful

when they think they have talked to a dietitian when, in fact, they haven't.

I think the latest discussions have (finally) turned into good ideas on how

to confront this, but treating others with respect (even when they are wrong

or misinformed) *also* goes a long way.

By no means I am downplaying the need for RDs to stand up for themselves and

let people know their importance to individual and community health. But I

keep seeing a we/they attitude that troubles me. RDs are not the only people

who can speak authoritatively on nutrition. There ARE several nutrition

experts out there who are very well respected and have worked hard to attain

their knowledge. These are also people who help us in our mission as

dietitians.Some may have even been your professors! When we make

generalizations about non-RDs, we also include those people in those

statements. Then we are hypocritical when we use their expertise.

I have also heard several RDs give out misguided statements. Let's face it.

The basic dietetics education is very broad and diverse. No RD on this list

claims to have known it all once they passed the exam. And how many of you

who are specialists have been frustrated to hear that an RD gave your client

some misguided information? I don't hear as many rants about that. And let's

not forget our own legacy of misguided recommendations, such as margarine is

better than butter, eggs are bad for your cholesterol, and we should avoid

fat like the plague. It's not that these recommendations meant to cause

harm, but they were based on assumptions that made sense -- very plausible

assumptions at that. And now we have evidence to prove it otherwise. Do we

really expect people to want to listen to us when we can't figure out what

we want to say? We have to do better than that.

And let's stop complaining (or assuming) that ADA doesn't do anything. If

you are an ADA member, make it count.

I see a trend where people don't respect their doctor's opinions as much as

their parents did. They are looking for information that is relevant to

their experiences. They will get it anywhere, whether from an average

blogger, Wikipedia, google, Oprah, you name it. If a dietitian can't relate

to their needs in a relevant way, then no legislation and activism will

increase the value of the dietitian.

So, let's give respect where it is due, and respectfully speak out against

those who have misguided the public. Let's protect our credential, but give

it a reputation worth fighting for. For goodness sakes, it's not like we're

running for president! ...yet :-)

Respectfully yours,

Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

http://nurturingnot es.blogspot. com

http://infantfeedin ghistory. blogspot. com

http://www.linkedin .com/in/renatama ngrum

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I am chimming in late I am sure, however as an RD, I am reluctant to give

support what I consider new food product, especially when it supports claims

that hasn't standed the test of time. I consider margarine a " new " chemical

that is suppose to replace a product (butter) that has been around for

centuries. A 10-15 year study, in my opinion does not really test the

generational affect of a chemical. I too use butter, but in moderation. I use

oil in my foods, but olive oil. I consume bread, but it is whole wheat, we eat

sugar, but limited, we usually do not consume products that don't have any value

(other than taste). We eat fruit, organic if reasonably priced, but generally

what is seasonally available. We eat meat, but only 2-3 ounce portions. We eat

eggs, always have and always will. I encourage small changes that will stand the

test of time, but I rarely encouarge 'chemically or genetically modified foods.

I encourage using foods that were created by generations of huma

n beings, and have proven. however I always suggest moderation, much less

frying, more whole foods and raw when possible, meat 2-3 times a week. lower fat

diary, but not fat free (fat free does not provide the satiety needed to not

feel hungry) But, in our family the TV is off Sunday night thru Friday

afternoon, so my children play outside, or with each other. We are all

reasonably active, healthy and happy. IF we could get the food manufacturers to

have our best interest at heart, or encourage 'no magic pill' or easy way of

healthy maintenance... but Americans in general want the quick easy way and

moderation and consistency are not accepted well by the masses....

I will get off my soap box.

thanks.

Holly Greuling

--

'Life isn't about how to survive the storm,but how to dance in the rain.'

--------- With all due respect...

To: rd-usa

Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:02 PM

Dear RD colleagues,

I think we need to be zealous about our credential. The public lumps us with

everyone else who claims to be experts in nutrition. That can be harmful

when they think they have talked to a dietitian when, in fact, they haven't.

I think the latest discussions have (finally) turned into good ideas on how

to confront this, but treating others with respect (even when they are wrong

or misinformed) *also* goes a long way.

By no means I am downplaying the need for RDs to stand up for themselves and

let people know their importance to individual and community health. But I

keep seeing a we/they attitude that troubles me. RDs are not the only people

who can speak authoritatively on nutrition. There ARE several nutrition

experts out there who are very well respected and have worked hard to attain

their knowledge. These are also people who help us in our mission as

dietitians.Some may have even been your professors! When we make

generalizations about non-RDs, we also include those people in those

statements. Then we are hypocritical when we use their expertise.

I have also heard several RDs give out misguided statements. Let's face it.

The basic dietetics education is very broad and diverse. No RD on this list

claims to have known it all once they passed the exam. And how many of you

who are specialists have been frustrated to hear that an RD gave your client

some misguided information? I don't hear as many rants about that. And let's

not forget our own legacy of misguided recommendations, such as margarine is

better than butter, eggs are bad for your cholesterol, and we should avoid

fat like the plague. It's not that these recommendations meant to cause

harm, but they were based on assumptions that made sense -- very plausible

assumptions at that. And now we have evidence to prove it otherwise. Do we

really expect people to want to listen to us when we can't figure out what

we want to say? We have to do better than that.

And let's stop complaining (or assuming) that ADA doesn't do anything. If

you are an ADA member, make it count.

I see a trend where people don't respect their doctor's opinions as much as

their parents did. They are looking for information that is relevant to

their experiences. They will get it anywhere, whether from an average

blogger, Wikipedia, google, Oprah, you name it. If a dietitian can't relate

to their needs in a relevant way, then no legislation and activism will

increase the value of the dietitian.

So, let's give respect where it is due, and respectfully speak out against

those who have misguided the public. Let's protect our credential, but give

it a reputation worth fighting for. For goodness sakes, it's not like we're

running for president! ...yet :-)

Respectfully yours,

Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

http://nurturingnot es.blogspot. com

http://infantfeedin ghistory. blogspot. com

http://www.linkedin .com/in/renatama ngrum

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I am chimming in late I am sure, however as an RD, I am reluctant to give

support what I consider new food product, especially when it supports claims

that hasn't standed the test of time. I consider margarine a " new " chemical

that is suppose to replace a product (butter) that has been around for

centuries. A 10-15 year study, in my opinion does not really test the

generational affect of a chemical. I too use butter, but in moderation. I use

oil in my foods, but olive oil. I consume bread, but it is whole wheat, we eat

sugar, but limited, we usually do not consume products that don't have any value

(other than taste). We eat fruit, organic if reasonably priced, but generally

what is seasonally available. We eat meat, but only 2-3 ounce portions. We eat

eggs, always have and always will. I encourage small changes that will stand the

test of time, but I rarely encouarge 'chemically or genetically modified foods.

I encourage using foods that were created by generations of huma

n beings, and have proven. however I always suggest moderation, much less

frying, more whole foods and raw when possible, meat 2-3 times a week. lower fat

diary, but not fat free (fat free does not provide the satiety needed to not

feel hungry) But, in our family the TV is off Sunday night thru Friday

afternoon, so my children play outside, or with each other. We are all

reasonably active, healthy and happy. IF we could get the food manufacturers to

have our best interest at heart, or encourage 'no magic pill' or easy way of

healthy maintenance... but Americans in general want the quick easy way and

moderation and consistency are not accepted well by the masses....

I will get off my soap box.

thanks.

Holly Greuling

--

'Life isn't about how to survive the storm,but how to dance in the rain.'

--------- With all due respect...

To: rd-usa

Date: Thursday, January 15, 2009, 8:02 PM

Dear RD colleagues,

I think we need to be zealous about our credential. The public lumps us with

everyone else who claims to be experts in nutrition. That can be harmful

when they think they have talked to a dietitian when, in fact, they haven't.

I think the latest discussions have (finally) turned into good ideas on how

to confront this, but treating others with respect (even when they are wrong

or misinformed) *also* goes a long way.

By no means I am downplaying the need for RDs to stand up for themselves and

let people know their importance to individual and community health. But I

keep seeing a we/they attitude that troubles me. RDs are not the only people

who can speak authoritatively on nutrition. There ARE several nutrition

experts out there who are very well respected and have worked hard to attain

their knowledge. These are also people who help us in our mission as

dietitians.Some may have even been your professors! When we make

generalizations about non-RDs, we also include those people in those

statements. Then we are hypocritical when we use their expertise.

I have also heard several RDs give out misguided statements. Let's face it.

The basic dietetics education is very broad and diverse. No RD on this list

claims to have known it all once they passed the exam. And how many of you

who are specialists have been frustrated to hear that an RD gave your client

some misguided information? I don't hear as many rants about that. And let's

not forget our own legacy of misguided recommendations, such as margarine is

better than butter, eggs are bad for your cholesterol, and we should avoid

fat like the plague. It's not that these recommendations meant to cause

harm, but they were based on assumptions that made sense -- very plausible

assumptions at that. And now we have evidence to prove it otherwise. Do we

really expect people to want to listen to us when we can't figure out what

we want to say? We have to do better than that.

And let's stop complaining (or assuming) that ADA doesn't do anything. If

you are an ADA member, make it count.

I see a trend where people don't respect their doctor's opinions as much as

their parents did. They are looking for information that is relevant to

their experiences. They will get it anywhere, whether from an average

blogger, Wikipedia, google, Oprah, you name it. If a dietitian can't relate

to their needs in a relevant way, then no legislation and activism will

increase the value of the dietitian.

So, let's give respect where it is due, and respectfully speak out against

those who have misguided the public. Let's protect our credential, but give

it a reputation worth fighting for. For goodness sakes, it's not like we're

running for president! ...yet :-)

Respectfully yours,

Renata Mangrum, MPH, RD.

http://nurturingnot es.blogspot. com

http://infantfeedin ghistory. blogspot. com

http://www.linkedin .com/in/renatama ngrum

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