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it is very possible to have your sugar be 167 2 hours past eating and then 2.5

hours your humalog peek and send you down to 50. I have had this happen quite a

bit.

So, he needs to determine, in his body, when his humalog peeks. I would put

money down on his quick acting insulin, assuming it is humalog, is peeking and

cracking his butt low.

Also, bare in mind, the *only* reason you go low is *to much* insulin in your

body. There is no such thing as a boogie man in your body that just does

whatever it wants to do when it wants to. *grin*

Regards,

Diabetic crash ?

A friend of mine I talked to yesterday says that for years he has been

wrestling with unusual symptoms of what can best be described as diabetes, my

question being what might cause this and how best to treat it? According to him,

every time his sugar reaches " 167 " he crashes and then suddenly his sugar is

around 59. He gets the sugar back up to " normal " and feels fine, then he says

when he's feeling " really fine " that is when his sugar apparently reaches its

zenith just before crashing again. This keeps happening over and over for him.

I've explained what he should do as far as diet to try to even out his sugars

so they don't reach that 167 level (I wonder what that level?) but that still

doesn't answer why this happens? Normally wouldn't you think the sugar would

just keep going up and up into the 400's and beyond?

Any thoughts you can give to help my friend would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Bill Powers

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it is very possible to have your sugar be 167 2 hours past eating and then 2.5

hours your humalog peek and send you down to 50. I have had this happen quite a

bit.

So, he needs to determine, in his body, when his humalog peeks. I would put

money down on his quick acting insulin, assuming it is humalog, is peeking and

cracking his butt low.

Also, bare in mind, the *only* reason you go low is *to much* insulin in your

body. There is no such thing as a boogie man in your body that just does

whatever it wants to do when it wants to. *grin*

Regards,

Diabetic crash ?

A friend of mine I talked to yesterday says that for years he has been

wrestling with unusual symptoms of what can best be described as diabetes, my

question being what might cause this and how best to treat it? According to him,

every time his sugar reaches " 167 " he crashes and then suddenly his sugar is

around 59. He gets the sugar back up to " normal " and feels fine, then he says

when he's feeling " really fine " that is when his sugar apparently reaches its

zenith just before crashing again. This keeps happening over and over for him.

I've explained what he should do as far as diet to try to even out his sugars

so they don't reach that 167 level (I wonder what that level?) but that still

doesn't answer why this happens? Normally wouldn't you think the sugar would

just keep going up and up into the 400's and beyond?

Any thoughts you can give to help my friend would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Bill Powers

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it is very possible to have your sugar be 167 2 hours past eating and then 2.5

hours your humalog peek and send you down to 50. I have had this happen quite a

bit.

So, he needs to determine, in his body, when his humalog peeks. I would put

money down on his quick acting insulin, assuming it is humalog, is peeking and

cracking his butt low.

Also, bare in mind, the *only* reason you go low is *to much* insulin in your

body. There is no such thing as a boogie man in your body that just does

whatever it wants to do when it wants to. *grin*

Regards,

Diabetic crash ?

A friend of mine I talked to yesterday says that for years he has been

wrestling with unusual symptoms of what can best be described as diabetes, my

question being what might cause this and how best to treat it? According to him,

every time his sugar reaches " 167 " he crashes and then suddenly his sugar is

around 59. He gets the sugar back up to " normal " and feels fine, then he says

when he's feeling " really fine " that is when his sugar apparently reaches its

zenith just before crashing again. This keeps happening over and over for him.

I've explained what he should do as far as diet to try to even out his sugars

so they don't reach that 167 level (I wonder what that level?) but that still

doesn't answer why this happens? Normally wouldn't you think the sugar would

just keep going up and up into the 400's and beyond?

Any thoughts you can give to help my friend would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Bill Powers

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also, the peek of humalog is different in each person. In theory, humalog peeks

in 2 hours and is out of your body in 4. In my body, it peeks in 2.5 hours and

still works dropping my sugar up to 3 hours past taking it. So, 2 hours past

eating I am 167, 2.5 hours 100, 3 hours 50.

There is a peek scale you can actually study in your body.

BTW see what quick acting he is taking. If it is not humalog or novalog, and it

is the old 70/30 or the old R insulin, that is the problem.

Regards,

Diabetic crash ?

A friend of mine I talked to yesterday says that for years he has been

wrestling with unusual symptoms of what can best be described as diabetes, my

question being what might cause this and how best to treat it? According to him,

every time his sugar reaches " 167 " he crashes and then suddenly his sugar is

around 59. He gets the sugar back up to " normal " and feels fine, then he says

when he's feeling " really fine " that is when his sugar apparently reaches its

zenith just before crashing again. This keeps happening over and over for him.

I've explained what he should do as far as diet to try to even out his

sugars so they don't reach that 167 level (I wonder what that level?) but that

still doesn't answer why this happens? Normally wouldn't you think the sugar

would just keep going up and up into the 400's and beyond?

Any thoughts you can give to help my friend would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Bill Powers

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also, the peek of humalog is different in each person. In theory, humalog peeks

in 2 hours and is out of your body in 4. In my body, it peeks in 2.5 hours and

still works dropping my sugar up to 3 hours past taking it. So, 2 hours past

eating I am 167, 2.5 hours 100, 3 hours 50.

There is a peek scale you can actually study in your body.

BTW see what quick acting he is taking. If it is not humalog or novalog, and it

is the old 70/30 or the old R insulin, that is the problem.

Regards,

Diabetic crash ?

A friend of mine I talked to yesterday says that for years he has been

wrestling with unusual symptoms of what can best be described as diabetes, my

question being what might cause this and how best to treat it? According to him,

every time his sugar reaches " 167 " he crashes and then suddenly his sugar is

around 59. He gets the sugar back up to " normal " and feels fine, then he says

when he's feeling " really fine " that is when his sugar apparently reaches its

zenith just before crashing again. This keeps happening over and over for him.

I've explained what he should do as far as diet to try to even out his

sugars so they don't reach that 167 level (I wonder what that level?) but that

still doesn't answer why this happens? Normally wouldn't you think the sugar

would just keep going up and up into the 400's and beyond?

Any thoughts you can give to help my friend would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Bill Powers

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also, the peek of humalog is different in each person. In theory, humalog peeks

in 2 hours and is out of your body in 4. In my body, it peeks in 2.5 hours and

still works dropping my sugar up to 3 hours past taking it. So, 2 hours past

eating I am 167, 2.5 hours 100, 3 hours 50.

There is a peek scale you can actually study in your body.

BTW see what quick acting he is taking. If it is not humalog or novalog, and it

is the old 70/30 or the old R insulin, that is the problem.

Regards,

Diabetic crash ?

A friend of mine I talked to yesterday says that for years he has been

wrestling with unusual symptoms of what can best be described as diabetes, my

question being what might cause this and how best to treat it? According to him,

every time his sugar reaches " 167 " he crashes and then suddenly his sugar is

around 59. He gets the sugar back up to " normal " and feels fine, then he says

when he's feeling " really fine " that is when his sugar apparently reaches its

zenith just before crashing again. This keeps happening over and over for him.

I've explained what he should do as far as diet to try to even out his

sugars so they don't reach that 167 level (I wonder what that level?) but that

still doesn't answer why this happens? Normally wouldn't you think the sugar

would just keep going up and up into the 400's and beyond?

Any thoughts you can give to help my friend would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Bill Powers

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another thought.

if he carb counts, the more humalog insulin you take, the harder the peek. Let

me explain.

I eat 30 grams of carbs for lunch, take 3 units of H, 2 hours later I am 167.

Three hours later I am 120.

Lets look at it this way now. For lunch, I eat 150 grams of carbs, I dose 30

units of humalog. Two hours past eating I am 167, three hours past eating I am

32.

See my point? Large numbers, large mistakes. Small numbers, small mistakes.

Regards,

Diabetic crash ?

A friend of mine I talked to yesterday says that for years he has been

wrestling with unusual symptoms of what can best be described as diabetes, my

question being what might cause this and how best to treat it? According to him,

every time his sugar reaches " 167 " he crashes and then suddenly his sugar is

around 59. He gets the sugar back up to " normal " and feels fine, then he says

when he's feeling " really fine " that is when his sugar apparently reaches its

zenith just before crashing again. This keeps happening over and over for him.

I've explained what he should do as far as diet to try to even out his

sugars so they don't reach that 167 level (I wonder what that level?) but that

still doesn't answer why this happens? Normally wouldn't you think the sugar

would just keep going up and up into the 400's and beyond?

Any thoughts you can give to help my friend would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Bill Powers

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another thought.

if he carb counts, the more humalog insulin you take, the harder the peek. Let

me explain.

I eat 30 grams of carbs for lunch, take 3 units of H, 2 hours later I am 167.

Three hours later I am 120.

Lets look at it this way now. For lunch, I eat 150 grams of carbs, I dose 30

units of humalog. Two hours past eating I am 167, three hours past eating I am

32.

See my point? Large numbers, large mistakes. Small numbers, small mistakes.

Regards,

Diabetic crash ?

A friend of mine I talked to yesterday says that for years he has been

wrestling with unusual symptoms of what can best be described as diabetes, my

question being what might cause this and how best to treat it? According to him,

every time his sugar reaches " 167 " he crashes and then suddenly his sugar is

around 59. He gets the sugar back up to " normal " and feels fine, then he says

when he's feeling " really fine " that is when his sugar apparently reaches its

zenith just before crashing again. This keeps happening over and over for him.

I've explained what he should do as far as diet to try to even out his

sugars so they don't reach that 167 level (I wonder what that level?) but that

still doesn't answer why this happens? Normally wouldn't you think the sugar

would just keep going up and up into the 400's and beyond?

Any thoughts you can give to help my friend would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Bill Powers

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bill Is your friend definitely diabetic? Or is he a true hypoglycemic?

people who are truly diagnosed with hypoglycemia will have such things

happen to them. Their BG will go up after eating carbs and then will

suddenly drop because the pancreas starts putting out excessive amounts of

insulin. This disease can often be harder to control than diabetes, because

any amount of carb will make their BG drop suddenly.

Diabetic crash ?

A friend of mine I talked to yesterday says that for years he has been

wrestling with unusual symptoms of what can best be described as diabetes,

my question being what might cause this and how best to treat it? According

to him, every time his sugar reaches " 167 " he crashes and then suddenly his

sugar is around 59. He gets the sugar back up to " normal " and feels fine,

then he says when he's feeling " really fine " that is when his sugar

apparently reaches its zenith just before crashing again. This keeps

happening over and over for him.

I've explained what he should do as far as diet to try to even out his

sugars so they don't reach that 167 level (I wonder what that level?) but

that still doesn't answer why this happens? Normally wouldn't you think the

sugar would just keep going up and up into the 400's and beyond?

Any thoughts you can give to help my friend would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Bill Powers

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bill Is your friend definitely diabetic? Or is he a true hypoglycemic?

people who are truly diagnosed with hypoglycemia will have such things

happen to them. Their BG will go up after eating carbs and then will

suddenly drop because the pancreas starts putting out excessive amounts of

insulin. This disease can often be harder to control than diabetes, because

any amount of carb will make their BG drop suddenly.

Diabetic crash ?

A friend of mine I talked to yesterday says that for years he has been

wrestling with unusual symptoms of what can best be described as diabetes,

my question being what might cause this and how best to treat it? According

to him, every time his sugar reaches " 167 " he crashes and then suddenly his

sugar is around 59. He gets the sugar back up to " normal " and feels fine,

then he says when he's feeling " really fine " that is when his sugar

apparently reaches its zenith just before crashing again. This keeps

happening over and over for him.

I've explained what he should do as far as diet to try to even out his

sugars so they don't reach that 167 level (I wonder what that level?) but

that still doesn't answer why this happens? Normally wouldn't you think the

sugar would just keep going up and up into the 400's and beyond?

Any thoughts you can give to help my friend would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Bill Powers

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ah! good one pat I never considered that one. I have a cousin who is

hypoglycemic and this happens to him as well.

Regards,

Diabetic crash ?

A friend of mine I talked to yesterday says that for years he has been

wrestling with unusual symptoms of what can best be described as diabetes,

my question being what might cause this and how best to treat it? According

to him, every time his sugar reaches " 167 " he crashes and then suddenly his

sugar is around 59. He gets the sugar back up to " normal " and feels fine,

then he says when he's feeling " really fine " that is when his sugar

apparently reaches its zenith just before crashing again. This keeps

happening over and over for him.

I've explained what he should do as far as diet to try to even out his

sugars so they don't reach that 167 level (I wonder what that level?) but

that still doesn't answer why this happens? Normally wouldn't you think the

sugar would just keep going up and up into the 400's and beyond?

Any thoughts you can give to help my friend would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Bill Powers

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ah! good one pat I never considered that one. I have a cousin who is

hypoglycemic and this happens to him as well.

Regards,

Diabetic crash ?

A friend of mine I talked to yesterday says that for years he has been

wrestling with unusual symptoms of what can best be described as diabetes,

my question being what might cause this and how best to treat it? According

to him, every time his sugar reaches " 167 " he crashes and then suddenly his

sugar is around 59. He gets the sugar back up to " normal " and feels fine,

then he says when he's feeling " really fine " that is when his sugar

apparently reaches its zenith just before crashing again. This keeps

happening over and over for him.

I've explained what he should do as far as diet to try to even out his

sugars so they don't reach that 167 level (I wonder what that level?) but

that still doesn't answer why this happens? Normally wouldn't you think the

sugar would just keep going up and up into the 400's and beyond?

Any thoughts you can give to help my friend would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Bill Powers

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ah! good one pat I never considered that one. I have a cousin who is

hypoglycemic and this happens to him as well.

Regards,

Diabetic crash ?

A friend of mine I talked to yesterday says that for years he has been

wrestling with unusual symptoms of what can best be described as diabetes,

my question being what might cause this and how best to treat it? According

to him, every time his sugar reaches " 167 " he crashes and then suddenly his

sugar is around 59. He gets the sugar back up to " normal " and feels fine,

then he says when he's feeling " really fine " that is when his sugar

apparently reaches its zenith just before crashing again. This keeps

happening over and over for him.

I've explained what he should do as far as diet to try to even out his

sugars so they don't reach that 167 level (I wonder what that level?) but

that still doesn't answer why this happens? Normally wouldn't you think the

sugar would just keep going up and up into the 400's and beyond?

Any thoughts you can give to help my friend would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Bill Powers

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Hypoglycemia is a nasty thing, which oddly, can turn into diabetes.

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ah! good one pat I never considered that one. I have a cousin who is

hypoglycemic and this happens to him as well.

Regards,

Diabetic crash ?

A friend of mine I talked to yesterday says that for years he has been

wrestling with unusual symptoms of what can best be described as diabetes,

my question being what might cause this and how best to treat it?

According

to him, every time his sugar reaches " 167 " he crashes and then suddenly

his

sugar is around 59. He gets the sugar back up to " normal " and feels fine,

then he says when he's feeling " really fine " that is when his sugar

apparently reaches its zenith just before crashing again. This keeps

happening over and over for him.

I've explained what he should do as far as diet to try to even out his

sugars so they don't reach that 167 level (I wonder what that level?) but

that still doesn't answer why this happens? Normally wouldn't you think

the

sugar would just keep going up and up into the 400's and beyond?

Any thoughts you can give to help my friend would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Bill Powers

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,

Your info is interesting concerning my friend that crashes after a 167

sugar. He does not use insulin and has not been told to do so by his doctor.

But yet he has struggled these past 10 years after not being told to do any

kind of diabetic treatment, but just keeps bouncing up and down. I'm

concerned as this will take its toll on him if it hasn't already. I don't

even know how he knows his sugar gets to 167 since I wonder if he even takes

his sugars, since he doesn't do diabetic treatment. Very poor medical

follow-up on this if you ask me, from a doctor who probably doesn't know

much about diabetes. And unfortunately, he doesn't get medical benefits

since our radio station has none. Don't know if he even has real medical

coverage or if he's one of the millions that don't have a real doctor for

lack of money. In any case, he doesn't take Humalog but I hope he takes my

advice to see a doctor and get current info on what his body is doing.

Thanks,

Bill

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That makes sense what you are saying about dosing for large number of carbs

causing a big drop, and it seems by what my buddy tells me that this is what

happens to him though he's not dosing insulin since he's probably been told

to " manage your diabetes with diet " and probably that same doc told him

nothing about carb intake. He does have high carb intake so I would think

his crashes would be big ones. I suggested he limit his carb intake so his

wings wouldn't be so wild and hopefully, if he follows that, at least his

swings shouldn't be so dynamic. I do hope my buddy finds a way to start

treating his diabetes though. I would think his performance on the job and

his outlook on life would be better. He's just barely holding on now and not

seeing anything past grieving for the loss of his mother recently, who had

severe problems with diabetes.

Bill

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,

That makes sense what you are saying about dosing for large number of carbs

causing a big drop, and it seems by what my buddy tells me that this is what

happens to him though he's not dosing insulin since he's probably been told

to " manage your diabetes with diet " and probably that same doc told him

nothing about carb intake. He does have high carb intake so I would think

his crashes would be big ones. I suggested he limit his carb intake so his

wings wouldn't be so wild and hopefully, if he follows that, at least his

swings shouldn't be so dynamic. I do hope my buddy finds a way to start

treating his diabetes though. I would think his performance on the job and

his outlook on life would be better. He's just barely holding on now and not

seeing anything past grieving for the loss of his mother recently, who had

severe problems with diabetes.

Bill

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Pat and ,

If my buddy were truly hypoglycemic and NOT diabetic, then what else could I

tell him to do other than limit his carbs? As Pat aptly pointed out, it

seems like any carb amount could still bring him down after he peaks, but is

there much else that can be done for this guy?

What I told him was to cut his carbs and when his sugar would crash, to use

a glucose tablet like I do, since we know it brings up sugar in a very

regulated manner instead of overshooting as things like OJ, crackers et al

would.

Any more thought???

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Bill

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interesting. I never knew that.

Regards,

Diabetic crash ?

A friend of mine I talked to yesterday says that for years he has been

wrestling with unusual symptoms of what can best be described as diabetes,

my question being what might cause this and how best to treat it?

According

to him, every time his sugar reaches " 167 " he crashes and then suddenly

his

sugar is around 59. He gets the sugar back up to " normal " and feels fine,

then he says when he's feeling " really fine " that is when his sugar

apparently reaches its zenith just before crashing again. This keeps

happening over and over for him.

I've explained what he should do as far as diet to try to even out his

sugars so they don't reach that 167 level (I wonder what that level?) but

that still doesn't answer why this happens? Normally wouldn't you think

the

sugar would just keep going up and up into the 400's and beyond?

Any thoughts you can give to help my friend would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Bill Powers

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interesting. I never knew that.

Regards,

Diabetic crash ?

A friend of mine I talked to yesterday says that for years he has been

wrestling with unusual symptoms of what can best be described as diabetes,

my question being what might cause this and how best to treat it?

According

to him, every time his sugar reaches " 167 " he crashes and then suddenly

his

sugar is around 59. He gets the sugar back up to " normal " and feels fine,

then he says when he's feeling " really fine " that is when his sugar

apparently reaches its zenith just before crashing again. This keeps

happening over and over for him.

I've explained what he should do as far as diet to try to even out his

sugars so they don't reach that 167 level (I wonder what that level?) but

that still doesn't answer why this happens? Normally wouldn't you think

the

sugar would just keep going up and up into the 400's and beyond?

Any thoughts you can give to help my friend would be appreciated.

Thanks,

Bill Powers

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yes, I'd say it would even be worth his life to see a doc even without him

having coverage and getting on a payment plan if he can afford it. Most docs and

billing places will let you pay on bills. Some even like 20 bucks a month from

what I gather.

It sounds like he really needs to get this diagnosed by a doctor.

Regards,

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,

Your info is interesting concerning my friend that crashes after a 167

sugar. He does not use insulin and has not been told to do so by his doctor.

But yet he has struggled these past 10 years after not being told to do any

kind of diabetic treatment, but just keeps bouncing up and down. I'm

concerned as this will take its toll on him if it hasn't already. I don't

even know how he knows his sugar gets to 167 since I wonder if he even takes

his sugars, since he doesn't do diabetic treatment. Very poor medical

follow-up on this if you ask me, from a doctor who probably doesn't know

much about diabetes. And unfortunately, he doesn't get medical benefits

since our radio station has none. Don't know if he even has real medical

coverage or if he's one of the millions that don't have a real doctor for

lack of money. In any case, he doesn't take Humalog but I hope he takes my

advice to see a doctor and get current info on what his body is doing.

Thanks,

Bill

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yes, I'd say it would even be worth his life to see a doc even without him

having coverage and getting on a payment plan if he can afford it. Most docs and

billing places will let you pay on bills. Some even like 20 bucks a month from

what I gather.

It sounds like he really needs to get this diagnosed by a doctor.

Regards,

Re: Diabetic crash ?

,

Your info is interesting concerning my friend that crashes after a 167

sugar. He does not use insulin and has not been told to do so by his doctor.

But yet he has struggled these past 10 years after not being told to do any

kind of diabetic treatment, but just keeps bouncing up and down. I'm

concerned as this will take its toll on him if it hasn't already. I don't

even know how he knows his sugar gets to 167 since I wonder if he even takes

his sugars, since he doesn't do diabetic treatment. Very poor medical

follow-up on this if you ask me, from a doctor who probably doesn't know

much about diabetes. And unfortunately, he doesn't get medical benefits

since our radio station has none. Don't know if he even has real medical

coverage or if he's one of the millions that don't have a real doctor for

lack of money. In any case, he doesn't take Humalog but I hope he takes my

advice to see a doctor and get current info on what his body is doing.

Thanks,

Bill

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he should see a licensed counselor for grief support. That is crucial in any

loss regardless of what it is. Most just survive and do it the best they can but

at best, survival means self-coping the best they can and self-coping can be a

terrible solution.

Please encourage him to see someone to talk about it. My wife is a counselor so

this is why I am so big on this when it comes to grief.

Wow! talk about someone who needs professional help... a doc and a counselor.

He may very well have hypoglycemia so researching it on the net or joining a

group for that disease is the best thing he could do if he cannot afford a doc.

Heck, those folks on lists are seeing docs and can help convey the info to him.

Regards,

Re: Diabetic crash ?

,

That makes sense what you are saying about dosing for large number of carbs

causing a big drop, and it seems by what my buddy tells me that this is what

happens to him though he's not dosing insulin since he's probably been told

to " manage your diabetes with diet " and probably that same doc told him

nothing about carb intake. He does have high carb intake so I would think

his crashes would be big ones. I suggested he limit his carb intake so his

wings wouldn't be so wild and hopefully, if he follows that, at least his

swings shouldn't be so dynamic. I do hope my buddy finds a way to start

treating his diabetes though. I would think his performance on the job and

his outlook on life would be better. He's just barely holding on now and not

seeing anything past grieving for the loss of his mother recently, who had

severe problems with diabetes.

Bill

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he should see a licensed counselor for grief support. That is crucial in any

loss regardless of what it is. Most just survive and do it the best they can but

at best, survival means self-coping the best they can and self-coping can be a

terrible solution.

Please encourage him to see someone to talk about it. My wife is a counselor so

this is why I am so big on this when it comes to grief.

Wow! talk about someone who needs professional help... a doc and a counselor.

He may very well have hypoglycemia so researching it on the net or joining a

group for that disease is the best thing he could do if he cannot afford a doc.

Heck, those folks on lists are seeing docs and can help convey the info to him.

Regards,

Re: Diabetic crash ?

,

That makes sense what you are saying about dosing for large number of carbs

causing a big drop, and it seems by what my buddy tells me that this is what

happens to him though he's not dosing insulin since he's probably been told

to " manage your diabetes with diet " and probably that same doc told him

nothing about carb intake. He does have high carb intake so I would think

his crashes would be big ones. I suggested he limit his carb intake so his

wings wouldn't be so wild and hopefully, if he follows that, at least his

swings shouldn't be so dynamic. I do hope my buddy finds a way to start

treating his diabetes though. I would think his performance on the job and

his outlook on life would be better. He's just barely holding on now and not

seeing anything past grieving for the loss of his mother recently, who had

severe problems with diabetes.

Bill

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