Re: I'm sorry and I do support Armour..But

[Guest guest]

Hi Jewel. Yes, it is very good for you to go slow, slow!! So glad to

read that you are doing that! In some cases, I think we can be our

own best doc when we have knowledge! Tell us though if you don't

mind--what adrenal support are you on and how much?

Yes, I bet that the first time you were on Armour alone, your

adrenals were not in shape to handle the T3. Just a guess, but it

makes sense.

Jewel, I am very aware that some folks can't handle Armour. I

haven't read any percentages, but it makes sense when many folks

have adrenal issues that need correction, or have been without the

right kind of help for so long. It's like me---when I first started

on Armour after 17 miserable years without it, I had to start low

and go up slowly since it made my heart react with palps every

single raise. SO I can imagine how someone would do with adrenal

issues or other medical issues they are unaware of.

We are behind you!!

Janie aka ThyroDiva

[Guest guest]

Hi Jewel. Yes, it is very good for you to go slow, slow!! So glad to

read that you are doing that! In some cases, I think we can be our

own best doc when we have knowledge! Tell us though if you don't

mind--what adrenal support are you on and how much?

Yes, I bet that the first time you were on Armour alone, your

adrenals were not in shape to handle the T3. Just a guess, but it

makes sense.

Jewel, I am very aware that some folks can't handle Armour. I

haven't read any percentages, but it makes sense when many folks

have adrenal issues that need correction, or have been without the

right kind of help for so long. It's like me---when I first started

on Armour after 17 miserable years without it, I had to start low

and go up slowly since it made my heart react with palps every

single raise. SO I can imagine how someone would do with adrenal

issues or other medical issues they are unaware of.

We are behind you!!

Janie aka ThyroDiva

[Guest guest]

Hi Jewel. What are you doing for adrenal support. If your adrenals

are fatigued taking Armour will bring that to the surface and you

will have hyper symptoms. I would think that supporting the adrenals

with something like cortef (available from mastersmarketing) and then

going back to the Armour might make a MAJOR difference in how well

you tolerate the Armour. I've seen that happen with gals on the other

thyroid group. Hugs, Carol B

> Topper, Janie, etc

> I'm to sick to go through all of it again, so this is the short

> version. I multi dose, was on one grain this time with 50mcgs of

> eltroxin. By the calculators this should have been right. I have

been

> working with getting Armour right for the last 6 months. I added

> eltroxin because after 3 weeks of multdosing on just Armour, I went

> hypo and knew I was to low on t4. I have had no thyroid function

for

> 13 years. Post Graves Disease/ RAI.

> I am on adrenal support, plus all the vitamins recommned. But with

no

> insurance there is no way to tell about my females hormones because

> they have been messed up for over five years due to this disease.

> To be honest I didn't feel very well body wise on the combo but my

> brain and mood was great until I went hyper. I suspect since it's

> lasting so long I went hyper with too much t4. Even though I worked

> by the numbers on the charts, etc.

> When I was on straight Armour I was finally able to dose at

1/2grain

> three times (1 1/2 grain) but couldn't go any further. I was doing

> better with brain, depression, anxiety, and body enegry, but t4 got

> way to low. Or since it was the begining of my journey with armour

> maybe a failure of my adrenals to keep up?... I'm don't even sure

> anymore.

> Janie, I know you don't want to beleive it but there are an

estimated

> 10 to 20 % of women who cannot take Armour.

> Everybody is different and if the doctors can't even agree on what

we

> should take or our numbers and know so little about how it all

> works.. I sure can't figure it out. Although I'm trying too.

> I want to be able to take Armour because I need the t3 for brain

> function, depression, anxiety. I have to take a break ... my body

> just can't handle bout into hypo or hyper.

> I'll continue t4 and vitamins and adrenal support then hopefully

can

> get tested, before trying again.

> I haven't given up, but I need some tests done to see if something

> else is causing the reactions.

> I'm still an Armour supporter but I have to find the answer to why

my

> body reacts the way it does.

> lol Beleive it or not this is the short version because I have

tried

> it in every way suggested by Topper and those that do the

combination.

> I'll try and check in as soon as I'm up too it.

> Take care

> Jewel

[Guest guest]

> Janie I have been taking 5mg of predisone for adrenal support but

sometimes I take the nuti meds grandulars for awhile. I take a

mulitvitamin with extra B so I don't have to take a big complex. I

take 800 mgs of vit e and 500mg of vit c as well as 15mg of iron. I

also take full replecement of 1000/500 calicum/mag citrate due to

bone loss as well as another extra 200-400 mag-citrate due to damage

of rectum muscles when my doctor allowed my tsh to hit 40 a few years

ago. it caused a lot of damage.

I've thought about adding dhea and found it in a cream form but did

not buy it yet, have been a bit afriad of it. I do have hair that

grows on my legs and under my arms so I just wasn't sure I should add

it. I thought about adding the (is it 7 keto?) I'm not sure, again

hesitant. What do you think? Oh and I did just add a tiny bit of

progestione cream and just got in a estriol cream for vaginal use. I

haven't had a period in over two years even though in the last five

years I had to fsh test, one showed 73. The last one when I started

bleedding and couldn't stop showed 14. So my reproduction system was

really messed up!

In thirteen years my tsh had never been over 1 until that incident.

It was horrible and I developed major depression and anxiety issues

as well as ovarian failure and many other issues that I can't even

count them.

It took them only a few weeks to get my tsh level back to normal but

I still suffered terribly for over 6 months. They of course threw

anti depressents at me that I couldn't take,claimed the symtoms were

from being under so much stress...etc. I went throug 5 doctors and

not one of them would check my free t4 or free t3. One doctor said I

needed to be commited because my symtoms were the results of major

depresion, stress because my fauther was dying at the time, possibly

bi-polar. I didn't have one symtom that met the critia of Bi -

polar!!

I found out I was having rebound symtoms as my body struggled to

recover, so hence my fear of ever going that hypo again. It left me

with a lot of damage that I had not had before. So any suggestions on

the dhea? Remember no insurance and no doctor.:] I'm feeling somewhat

better now that my system is settling down. That's another issue. The

dosing of Armour versus just t4. It's confusing as hell. I should not

have gone hyper! Armour says 1 grain is equal to 100 mcgs of

t4 ,charts says it equals 74. I could get this thing right if I had

some idea of who the heck is correct! I don't mind going slow but I

have to make sure I have a bit of extra t4 so I don't go hypo.

Now it seems 50mcg of t4 plus 1 grain ,multi dosed was too much...

Why? I don't know. With American Synthroid I was on 125 mg, this was

before my doctor lowered my dose and at the time I didn't know

anything about this disease. I just trusted my doctor. After the

crisis I was put back on 125mcg synthroid. My hair had stopped

following out and I felt a litle better but the damage was done.

Brain fog, depression,agorphobia, fatique,constipation,

insomaia...etc. But my tsh was fine! Stupid doctors! Sorry for the

vent!:}

Jewel

Hi Jewel. Yes, it is very good for you to go slow, slow!! So glad to

> read that you are doing that! In some cases, I think we can be our

> own best doc when we have knowledge! Tell us though if you don't

> mind--what adrenal support are you on and how much?

>

> Yes, I bet that the first time you were on Armour alone, your

> adrenals were not in shape to handle the T3. Just a guess, but it

> makes sense.

>

>

>

> We are behind you!!

>

> Janie aka ThyroDiva

[Guest guest]

Carol, don't like using the cortef. I prefer predisone or natural

granulars. I'm just confused which would be best and if I should add

dhea in cream or 7 keto. read my post to janie :} Maybe I just

haven't been taking it long enough.

> Hi Jewel. What are you doing for adrenal support. If your adrenals

> are fatigued taking Armour will bring that to the surface and you

> will have hyper symptoms. I would think that supporting the

adrenals

> with something like cortef (available from mastersmarketing) and

then

> going back to the Armour might make a MAJOR difference in how well

> you tolerate the Armour. I've seen that happen with gals on the

other

> thyroid group. Hugs, Carol B

>

>

[Guest guest]

Jewel, you have been on such a roller coaster, and some of it is

downright the fault of bad doctoring! No wonder you need to vent!!

Amazing story. And so many of us can identify with the " you are

depressed " line and the push towards anti-depressants. THAT is

depressing!!

Even though you are on prednisone, you just may need a lot more time

with it. I note that you are on the next to the lowest dose. There

is still the 10 to try someday if you feel it is necessary. I would

personally hesitate to go to 20 or 50 with all the potential side

effects, but I think a person can go higher for a while, then cut

back, if needed.

While on prednisone, do watch your blood sugar and blood pressure.

As far as the DHEA, I got on a small dose even though my DHEA wasn't

bad. Maybe you can try it and see what you think. 7-keto is fine,

too.

And when it comes to equivalencies between T4 and natural thyroid---

I was on .125 of Levoxyl, but am currently on 2 1/2 grains of Armour-

-a higher dose than the charts say.

And as Carol said to you, your symptoms point to an adrenal problem

still--even though you are on prednisone. You just simply may need

more time....or a higher dose someday.

Hang in there. You will get there in time.

Janie