Guest guest Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 Wild, the U.S. government is looking into lowering the threshold for diagnosis of celiac disease. They believe that the celiac blood test/biopsy does NOT identify all the celiacs. http://www.ahrq.gov/clinic/epcsums/celiacsum.htm I have celiac, but not diabetes. Just having celiac, I recognize the stress it puts on the body and wonder if it could precipitate type 1 diabetes in a genetically vulnerable person. However, I am aware that often the person is diagnosed with diabetes first. But the indications are that the blood test/biopsy procedure does not diagnose all the celiacs. I am wondering if we had more effective screening/testing for celiac, we could reduce or delay the incidence of type 1 diabetes. Jo Anne Re: celiac/diabetic Not sure if answered this yet or not as I havent gottne that far but yes there is a corolation (sp?) between the 2. More Diabetics are being dxed with celiacs. They are both autoimmune diseases. My son was tested every year for it with out me really knowing what all the blood work was for until he was dxed with celiac. I will explain more later of she hasnt already answered all your questions.Wild> > > We are planning a trip to Niagra Falls and would love to know what > >resturaunts are GF in that area. Please keep in mind I have a picky > >celiac/diabetic. > >Thanks for any and all help.> >And Thank you for letting me join as I explore this I am sure i will > >find lots of helpful things.> >Wild> >> > > > > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2004 Report Share Posted September 21, 2004 Hi Wild and everyone, I still have tears in my eyes when people ask me how Corey is doing, especially the ones I haven't seen in awhile or those who don't know of his condition. It's amazing how many times I ask God why him? or how many times I cried to my mother. But, like what you said, it was just a matter of time. There are so many other conditions and serious diseases out there that I know are tough to deal with, as reading from other posts, where the mother's are struggling each day to keep it together. I give them so much credit for their bravery. In away I'm sort of relieved that Corey was diagnosed at an early age so he can deal with certain things better as he gets older. I'm so proud of him how he has adapted well to the pump, knowing how much insulin to enter in by himself, when to check his blood sugars and what foods are safe for him to eat. All we can do is teach, guide and love them as best as we can...best wishes to your family Wild. " wildestthang2000 " wrote: > , >It had nothing to do with how long you breastfed hun. I breastfed my >son till he was 20 mos old that kept the diabetes away until then. At >22 mos he was diagnosed. They told me he would have been a diabetic >sooner or later. I was very upset and distarught. He had never had >chocolate cake at that time, never used maple syrup, only juice and >milk and water to drink no koolaid, fresh fruits and veggies, low fat >meats. I made my own baby food never bought it after he was past the >first cereal stage. And then I went rice he tried and did not like >the barley cereal only the rice cereal till he was over a year old >then the wheat cereals like Cheerios and other good for you cereals >that can be finger foods also. I did everything you are supposed to >do with him. To no avail. I cried many nights over it afterwards. It >is not worth beating yourself up over for the only thing you could >have changed was to not have your beautiful child. He was going to be >a diabetic at sometime in his life. They have a blood test that if >you have a sibling with diabetes you can tell if your child is >predisposed to it. My daughter is not if she becomes a Diabetic it >will most likely be the noninsulin dependent type that is older onset >usually. She is tested routinely also but he is the only celiac. They >tell me it is related to his diabetes and I have a theory on that >also. >Needless to say you can do everything the way the drs and books tell >you to and in the end it is only his or her genes that will >ultimatley decide these things. >Wild > >gt; gt; >gt; gt; gt; We are planning a trip to Niagra Falls and would love to know >what >gt; gt; gt;resturaunts are GF in that area. Please keep in mind I have a >picky >gt; gt; gt;celiac/diabetic. >gt; gt; gt;Thanks for any and all help. >gt; gt; gt;And Thank you for letting me join as I explore this I am sure i >will >gt; gt; gt;find lots of helpful things. >gt; gt; gt;Wild >gt; gt; gt; >gt; gt; gt; >gt; gt; gt; >gt; gt; gt; * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2004 Report Share Posted September 22, 2004 Hi Wild and everyone, I can remember when Corey was in the hospital when he was first diagnosed when the nurses told me that he would need several insulin shots per day and that I would have to give it to him. I just couldn't do it. I didn't have that bravery at that time, but it had to be done. So, everytime I hear a parent say " my child administers his own insulin shots " I take a deep breath and say " wow, that is so great " ...Wild, you have done well in teaching your son to be brave... when I hear " wildestthang2000 " wrote: > Yes it is easier when they are younger. I thank goodness >everyday that it was not something worse when he was diagnosed with >Diabetes. I was in denial over the celiacs until I saw the biopsy- >they set up a TV so we could watch the scope also. We go to Joslin >and they routinely test the diabetics for other autoimmune diseases >every year. I am lucky to have some of the best Drs around. The >school nurse stress' me and when he gets out of 6th grade Ill be so >happy. I have learned to say this is my son ....... and he is living >with diabetes and celiacs. Not my son the diabetic celiac. And he is >he gives his own shots daily, makes his own lunches unless it takes a >lot of cooking and packs them to take to school when he goes to a >friends house if he is unsure he calls me and says mom what is...? He >is a happy 5th grader on the local swim team and he goes on with life >and does not let his diabetes or Celiacs rule his life. He has neevr >said I cant do something because of this except eat certain foods. LOL >TTFN >Wild > >gt; gt;gt; gt; >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt; We are planning a trip to Niagra Falls and would love >to know >gt; gt;what >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;resturaunts are GF in that area. Please keep in mind I >have a >gt; gt;picky >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;celiac/diabetic. >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;Thanks for any and all help. >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;And Thank you for letting me join as I explore this I >am sure i >gt; gt;will >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;find lots of helpful things. >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;Wild >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt; >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt; >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt; >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt; * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 Dawn, thank you very much for your information. I think this is the answer, "There are some studies that suggest that decreasing gluten exposure in one who is known to be susceptible may delay onset of diabetes, but this is not definitive." In this context, here's some interesting research: Dr Bingley says: “We have found that the frequency of coeliac disease at age 7 is the same as that we find in adults in this country, suggesting that the condition starts in childhood, even in individuals in whom it is diagnosed late in life. They don’t suddenly develop coeliac disease – they’ve probably had it for years before it is eventually detected.” http://www.clanthompson.com/news_archives_story.php3?story_id=44 & category=Old%20News%20Stories & category_id=2 These facts further indicate that celiac disease may actually come before the diabetes diagnosis even though the celiac diagnosis often comes later. I speculate that it comes with the first bites of gluten. These facts along with my sense of my body that I had celiac since I was a pre-schooler, and the stress that celiac causes, make me speculate that celiac disease is what brings on the diabetes. I think doctors are confused because the celiac biopsy does not get all the people who have celiac disease. If we had better testing, and children were diagnosed with celiac disease sooner, I speculate that doctors would find out for sure that celiac comes first. And then maybe we could head off or, at least, delay the diabetes. Jo Anne Re: celiac/diabetic I am a bit late getting onto this conversation about children being diabetics and having celiacs, but was so glad to see it! My daugher is 9 and has had diabetes since she was 6. She gave herself her first shot 2 weeks after she was out of the hospital and has been doing it for the most part ever since. She was away from me all summer and spent the whole summer determining how much insulin to give based on a sliding scale. Back in May she was diagnosed with Celiac, however asymptomatic. We found out thru a routine blood test and then later an endoscopy procedure. Talk about frustrating! I think I have the pickiest kid on earth! I'm sure we all feel like that =) and putting additional limitations on them is just crazy! But it is for their health and mandatory. I am having a hard time making her believe there is a problem because she does not feel the affects...YET. So I read her a few stories from the message board about children who are symptomatic and their plight to stay healthy. I think she got the point... Overall, she is handling everything very well since we went through the "why does everything happen to me stage" I explained that there are alot of her friends who also have problems she is not aware of and have made her realize she is in control of her destiny, simply by adhering to a diet. The mentally challenged, wheel chair bound child in her classroom that they are trying to integrate has no control over his life and situation. It really made her think...afterall, life can always be worse...(as we as adults know)Because I am a single parent, and work fulltime, I always looked for the easy way out with meals...I am positive God is pointing and laughing at me now trying to cook! But know, and constantly remind my daughter that he will not give us anymore than we can handle. She is a trooper and so are the other kids I have read about. I wrote to one of the doctors on the www.childrenwithdiabetes.com website and asked the same questions you asked..what came first. Here is a copy of my question and the answer I received:Question: From Springfield, Virginia, USA: My daughter was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes three years ago. At that time, we were told that she probably developed diabetes from a "virus". Recently, she was diagnosed with celiac. So, I am wondering, do you think she always had the celiac, since it is a genetic disease? And, could we have prevented the diabetes if we had known about the celiac earlier in life? I have seen the statistics on children with diabetes and celiac, just wondering if there is a "which came first..." question here. Answer: Both type 1 diabetes mellitus and celiac disease are genetically predisposed. Then something, such as a common virus, is likely "needed" to set up the disease itself. The common gene is related to autoimmune problems such as thyroiditis as well as celiac and type 1 diabetes. Adrenal insufficiency and pernicious anemia are also commonly linked to this same HLA gene and others in the family should be screened for these same illnesses. Early diagnosis means that you can, hopefully, prevent serious symptoms but not likely can one prevent the illness itself. Research is trying to figure this out. There are some studies that suggest that decreasing gluten exposure in one who is known to be susceptible may delay onset of diabetes, but this is not definitiveI hope you found this information useful!Dawn> > >gt; gt;gt; gt;> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt; We are planning a trip to Niagra Falls and > would love > > >to know > > >gt; gt;what> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;resturaunts are GF in that area. Please keep in > mind I > > >have a > > >gt; gt;picky> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;celiac/diabetic.> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;Thanks for any and all help.> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;And Thank you for letting me join as I explore > this I > > >am sure i > > >gt; gt;will> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;find lots of helpful things.> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;Wild> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt; * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 Dawn, thank you very much for your information. I think this is the answer, "There are some studies that suggest that decreasing gluten exposure in one who is known to be susceptible may delay onset of diabetes, but this is not definitive." In this context, here's some interesting research: Dr Bingley says: “We have found that the frequency of coeliac disease at age 7 is the same as that we find in adults in this country, suggesting that the condition starts in childhood, even in individuals in whom it is diagnosed late in life. They don’t suddenly develop coeliac disease – they’ve probably had it for years before it is eventually detected.” http://www.clanthompson.com/news_archives_story.php3?story_id=44 & category=Old%20News%20Stories & category_id=2 These facts further indicate that celiac disease may actually come before the diabetes diagnosis even though the celiac diagnosis often comes later. I speculate that it comes with the first bites of gluten. These facts along with my sense of my body that I had celiac since I was a pre-schooler, and the stress that celiac causes, make me speculate that celiac disease is what brings on the diabetes. I think doctors are confused because the celiac biopsy does not get all the people who have celiac disease. If we had better testing, and children were diagnosed with celiac disease sooner, I speculate that doctors would find out for sure that celiac comes first. And then maybe we could head off or, at least, delay the diabetes. Jo Anne Re: celiac/diabetic I am a bit late getting onto this conversation about children being diabetics and having celiacs, but was so glad to see it! My daugher is 9 and has had diabetes since she was 6. She gave herself her first shot 2 weeks after she was out of the hospital and has been doing it for the most part ever since. She was away from me all summer and spent the whole summer determining how much insulin to give based on a sliding scale. Back in May she was diagnosed with Celiac, however asymptomatic. We found out thru a routine blood test and then later an endoscopy procedure. Talk about frustrating! I think I have the pickiest kid on earth! I'm sure we all feel like that =) and putting additional limitations on them is just crazy! But it is for their health and mandatory. I am having a hard time making her believe there is a problem because she does not feel the affects...YET. So I read her a few stories from the message board about children who are symptomatic and their plight to stay healthy. I think she got the point... Overall, she is handling everything very well since we went through the "why does everything happen to me stage" I explained that there are alot of her friends who also have problems she is not aware of and have made her realize she is in control of her destiny, simply by adhering to a diet. The mentally challenged, wheel chair bound child in her classroom that they are trying to integrate has no control over his life and situation. It really made her think...afterall, life can always be worse...(as we as adults know)Because I am a single parent, and work fulltime, I always looked for the easy way out with meals...I am positive God is pointing and laughing at me now trying to cook! But know, and constantly remind my daughter that he will not give us anymore than we can handle. She is a trooper and so are the other kids I have read about. I wrote to one of the doctors on the www.childrenwithdiabetes.com website and asked the same questions you asked..what came first. Here is a copy of my question and the answer I received:Question: From Springfield, Virginia, USA: My daughter was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes three years ago. At that time, we were told that she probably developed diabetes from a "virus". Recently, she was diagnosed with celiac. So, I am wondering, do you think she always had the celiac, since it is a genetic disease? And, could we have prevented the diabetes if we had known about the celiac earlier in life? I have seen the statistics on children with diabetes and celiac, just wondering if there is a "which came first..." question here. Answer: Both type 1 diabetes mellitus and celiac disease are genetically predisposed. Then something, such as a common virus, is likely "needed" to set up the disease itself. The common gene is related to autoimmune problems such as thyroiditis as well as celiac and type 1 diabetes. Adrenal insufficiency and pernicious anemia are also commonly linked to this same HLA gene and others in the family should be screened for these same illnesses. Early diagnosis means that you can, hopefully, prevent serious symptoms but not likely can one prevent the illness itself. Research is trying to figure this out. There are some studies that suggest that decreasing gluten exposure in one who is known to be susceptible may delay onset of diabetes, but this is not definitiveI hope you found this information useful!Dawn> > >gt; gt;gt; gt;> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt; We are planning a trip to Niagra Falls and > would love > > >to know > > >gt; gt;what> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;resturaunts are GF in that area. Please keep in > mind I > > >have a > > >gt; gt;picky> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;celiac/diabetic.> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;Thanks for any and all help.> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;And Thank you for letting me join as I explore > this I > > >am sure i > > >gt; gt;will> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;find lots of helpful things.> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;Wild> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt; * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2004 Report Share Posted September 23, 2004 Dawn, thank you very much for your information. I think this is the answer, "There are some studies that suggest that decreasing gluten exposure in one who is known to be susceptible may delay onset of diabetes, but this is not definitive." In this context, here's some interesting research: Dr Bingley says: “We have found that the frequency of coeliac disease at age 7 is the same as that we find in adults in this country, suggesting that the condition starts in childhood, even in individuals in whom it is diagnosed late in life. They don’t suddenly develop coeliac disease – they’ve probably had it for years before it is eventually detected.” http://www.clanthompson.com/news_archives_story.php3?story_id=44 & category=Old%20News%20Stories & category_id=2 These facts further indicate that celiac disease may actually come before the diabetes diagnosis even though the celiac diagnosis often comes later. I speculate that it comes with the first bites of gluten. These facts along with my sense of my body that I had celiac since I was a pre-schooler, and the stress that celiac causes, make me speculate that celiac disease is what brings on the diabetes. I think doctors are confused because the celiac biopsy does not get all the people who have celiac disease. If we had better testing, and children were diagnosed with celiac disease sooner, I speculate that doctors would find out for sure that celiac comes first. And then maybe we could head off or, at least, delay the diabetes. Jo Anne Re: celiac/diabetic I am a bit late getting onto this conversation about children being diabetics and having celiacs, but was so glad to see it! My daugher is 9 and has had diabetes since she was 6. She gave herself her first shot 2 weeks after she was out of the hospital and has been doing it for the most part ever since. She was away from me all summer and spent the whole summer determining how much insulin to give based on a sliding scale. Back in May she was diagnosed with Celiac, however asymptomatic. We found out thru a routine blood test and then later an endoscopy procedure. Talk about frustrating! I think I have the pickiest kid on earth! I'm sure we all feel like that =) and putting additional limitations on them is just crazy! But it is for their health and mandatory. I am having a hard time making her believe there is a problem because she does not feel the affects...YET. So I read her a few stories from the message board about children who are symptomatic and their plight to stay healthy. I think she got the point... Overall, she is handling everything very well since we went through the "why does everything happen to me stage" I explained that there are alot of her friends who also have problems she is not aware of and have made her realize she is in control of her destiny, simply by adhering to a diet. The mentally challenged, wheel chair bound child in her classroom that they are trying to integrate has no control over his life and situation. It really made her think...afterall, life can always be worse...(as we as adults know)Because I am a single parent, and work fulltime, I always looked for the easy way out with meals...I am positive God is pointing and laughing at me now trying to cook! But know, and constantly remind my daughter that he will not give us anymore than we can handle. She is a trooper and so are the other kids I have read about. I wrote to one of the doctors on the www.childrenwithdiabetes.com website and asked the same questions you asked..what came first. Here is a copy of my question and the answer I received:Question: From Springfield, Virginia, USA: My daughter was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes three years ago. At that time, we were told that she probably developed diabetes from a "virus". Recently, she was diagnosed with celiac. So, I am wondering, do you think she always had the celiac, since it is a genetic disease? And, could we have prevented the diabetes if we had known about the celiac earlier in life? I have seen the statistics on children with diabetes and celiac, just wondering if there is a "which came first..." question here. Answer: Both type 1 diabetes mellitus and celiac disease are genetically predisposed. Then something, such as a common virus, is likely "needed" to set up the disease itself. The common gene is related to autoimmune problems such as thyroiditis as well as celiac and type 1 diabetes. Adrenal insufficiency and pernicious anemia are also commonly linked to this same HLA gene and others in the family should be screened for these same illnesses. Early diagnosis means that you can, hopefully, prevent serious symptoms but not likely can one prevent the illness itself. Research is trying to figure this out. There are some studies that suggest that decreasing gluten exposure in one who is known to be susceptible may delay onset of diabetes, but this is not definitiveI hope you found this information useful!Dawn> > >gt; gt;gt; gt;> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt; We are planning a trip to Niagra Falls and > would love > > >to know > > >gt; gt;what> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;resturaunts are GF in that area. Please keep in > mind I > > >have a > > >gt; gt;picky> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;celiac/diabetic.> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;Thanks for any and all help.> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;And Thank you for letting me join as I explore > this I > > >am sure i > > >gt; gt;will> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;find lots of helpful things.> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;Wild> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;> > >gt; gt;gt; gt; gt; * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2004 Report Share Posted September 24, 2004 Hi Wild, Dawn and everyone, Oh yeah, there are many times that Corey questions that he is celiac. And, yes it is very frustrating. I think I've aged about 50 years! Sometimes I'll hear " Mom, is this food really going to make me sick if I eat it? " Then I remind him on he felt when he started getting the cd symptoms. It's like a constant battle on convincing your child not to eat a certain food. Or I'll hear " Mom, I wish I never gotten diabetes, I have to constantly check my number, I hate it! " . This poor child I say to myself, but I try to comfort him the best way I can. But, overall, I think Corey knows what has to be done in order to stay healthy. Dawn, the childwithdiabetes.com website is very informative. I've asked a few questions myself over the years as they were very helpful. I read an article from that site awhile back that there was a single mother raising a diabetic child and what her challenges were. Wow, it was some story. My heart goes out to you Dawn... I'm not sure if you have noticed, but there are a lot more commercials about juvenille diabetes on tv now. Corey will say " look Mom, that's the monitor I have " ...almost being proud that he has that one like that. I was so happy to see that Corey made a connection with someone that can relate to what he's been dealing with. " Dawn " wrote: > I am a bit late getting onto this conversation about children being >diabetics and having celiacs, but was so glad to see it!nbsp; My daugher >is 9 and has had diabetes since she was 6. She gave herself her first >shot 2 weeks after she was out of the hospital and has been doing it >for the most part ever since. She was away from me all summer and >spent the whole summer determining how much insulin to give based on >a sliding scale. Back in May she was diagnosed with Celiac, however >asymptomatic. We found out thru a routine blood test and then later >an endoscopy procedure.nbsp; Talk about frustrating!nbsp; I think I have the >pickiest kid on earth! I'm sure we all feel like that =) and putting >additional limitations on them is just crazy! But it is for their >health and mandatory. I am having a hard time making her believe >there is a problem because she does not feel the affects...YET.nbsp; So I >read her a few stories from the message board about children who are >symptomatic and their plight to stay healthy. I think she got the >point... Overall, she is handling everything very well since we went >through the quot;why does everything happen to me stagequot; I explained that >there are alot of her friends who also have problems she is not aware >of and have made her realize she is in control of her destiny, simply >by adhering to a diet. The mentally challenged, wheel chair bound >child in her classroom that they are trying to integrate has no >control over his life and situation. It really made her >think...afterall, life can always be worse...(as we as adults know) > >Because I am a single parent, and work fulltime, I always looked for >the easy way out with meals...I am positive God is pointing and >laughing at me now trying to cook! But know, and constantly remind my >daughter that he will not give us anymore than we can handle. She is >a trooper and so are the other kids I have read about. > >I wrote to one of the doctors on the www.childrenwithdiabetes.comnbsp; >website and asked the same questions you asked..what came first. Here >is a copy of my question and the answer I received: > >Question: >From Springfield, Virginia, USA: > >My daughter was diagnosed with type 1 diabetes three years ago. At >that time, we were told that she probably developed diabetes from >a quot;virusquot;. Recently, she was diagnosed with celiac. So, I am >wondering, do you think she always had the celiac, since it is a >genetic disease? And, could we have prevented the diabetes if we had >known about the celiac earlier in life? > >I have seen the statistics on children with diabetes and celiac, just >wondering if there is a quot;which came first...quot; question here. > >Answer: > >Both type 1 diabetes mellitus and celiac disease are genetically >predisposed. Then something, such as a common virus, is >likely quot;neededquot; to set up the disease itself. The common gene is >related to autoimmune problems such as thyroiditis as well as celiac >and type 1 diabetes. Adrenal insufficiency and pernicious anemia are >also commonly linked to this same HLA gene and others in the family >should be screened for these same illnesses. Early diagnosis means >that you can, hopefully, prevent serious symptoms but not likely can >one prevent the illness itself. Research is trying to figure this >out. There are some studies that suggest that decreasing gluten >exposure in one who is known to be susceptible may delay onset of >diabetes, but this is not definitive > > >I hope you found this information useful! > >Dawn > > > > >gt; gt; gt;gt; gt;gt; gt; >gt; gt; gt;gt; gt;gt; gt; gt; We are planning a trip to Niagra Falls and >gt; would love >gt; gt; gt;to know >gt; gt; gt;gt; gt;what >gt; gt; gt;gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;resturaunts are GF in that area. Please keep >in >gt; mind I >gt; gt; gt;have a >gt; gt; gt;gt; gt;picky >gt; gt; gt;gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;celiac/diabetic. >gt; gt; gt;gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;Thanks for any and all help. >gt; gt; gt;gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;And Thank you for letting me join as I >explore >gt; this I >gt; gt; gt;am sure i >gt; gt; gt;gt; gt;will >gt; gt; gt;gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;find lots of helpful things. >gt; gt; gt;gt; gt;gt; gt; gt;Wild >gt; gt; gt;gt; gt;gt; gt; gt; >gt; gt; gt;gt; gt;gt; gt; gt; >gt; gt; gt;gt; gt;gt; gt; gt; >gt; gt; gt;gt; gt;gt; gt; gt; * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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